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What's the name of the old restaurant......

that used to be located at Sylvania and Monroe???

It was an old fashioned type diner that was run by two Greek brothers?

I think they tore it down to put up the pharmacy?

Anyone remember?

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Balkin Inn?

posted by Molsonator on Nov 18, 2011 at 10:45:31 pm     #  

Green Derby.

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 18, 2011 at 10:47:51 pm     #  

I think thats it JohnnyMac!

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 18, 2011 at 10:57:22 pm     #  

Next to Shakee's Pizza, and the Junior Achievement building. The Players Club is still there.

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 18, 2011 at 11:02:01 pm     #  

I forgot about Shakee's!! Fun spot!!!

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 18, 2011 at 11:03:55 pm     #  

Betsy Ross

posted by Danneskjold on Nov 18, 2011 at 11:46:22 pm     #  

Yep. JohnnyMac is right. It was the Green Derby.

Betsy Ross was at the corner of Secor and Monroe.

posted by gamegrrl on Nov 19, 2011 at 12:56:54 am     #  

Yeah, it was the Green Derby. I actually have an old picture of it from '92 which I would post except my pos HP scanner doesn't work. In the photo, it's right next to Big Sur waterbeds. And a big Southwyck Jeep-Eagle billboard right behind it.

posted by breaker on Nov 19, 2011 at 04:29:29 am     #  

Yeah, the old Big Sur! I bought a waterbed there once. I remember the Green Derby although I never patronized the place.

posted by madjack on Nov 19, 2011 at 11:50:52 am     #  

Betsy Ross was a good place to go - they had great Strawberry Pancakes with sour cream instead of whipping cream!

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 19, 2011 at 02:47:50 pm     #  

Here's the Green Derby, circa 1992.

posted by breaker on Nov 20, 2011 at 06:37:29 pm     #  

Photobucket

posted by breaker on Nov 20, 2011 at 06:41:00 pm     #   2 people liked this

Thanks for sharing that pic, breaker!

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 20, 2011 at 06:52:35 pm     #  

Ok... Let's see who the real old timers are around here. Before the Franklin Park Mall, there was a Pure Oil Truck Stop on the south-east corner of Monroe and Secor called Bundee Brothers. To the east of there on the same side of Monroe was O'Brians. The best ribs and hash browns in the world... Anyone remember?

posted by rch101 on Nov 20, 2011 at 07:37:26 pm     #  

No, but I do remember the little amusement park that was there & run by the former major like baseball player - Dick Kimble

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 20, 2011 at 08:04:46 pm     #  

Should have typed Major "LEAGUE"

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 20, 2011 at 08:05:22 pm     #  

shamrock, the bus stopped at Talmadge, we had to get off and walk the rest of the way up Monroe to get to Kiddyland. That was right after we got old enough to go by bus alone and right before they tore it down.

posted by nana on Nov 20, 2011 at 09:02:38 pm     #  

Gotta ask: why was that picture taken?

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 20, 2011 at 11:48:01 pm     #  

Johnny, I lived in Toledo, right around this neighborhood in the early eighties when I was a little kid. I actually went to Christ the King for a couple years, which was just down the block. So, I happened to visit Toledo back in 92 and just started taking pictures of everything I passed by that stirred my memory. I have quite a few pics from that West Toledo neighborhood.

posted by breaker on Nov 21, 2011 at 02:39:42 am     #  

I went to CK, also, about at the same tinme. You should post the other pics.

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 21, 2011 at 10:43:14 am     #  

Alright I'll go through the others and see what I got.

posted by breaker on Nov 21, 2011 at 04:19:39 pm     #  

rich101

This old timer remembers them well. Bundee Bros. were an honest company and in business quite sometime.

Franklin Park opened about 1969 and this whole area was in Washington Township at the time.

The place I loved the most was The Frozen Custard Stand at the triangle of Monroe and Sylvania. There was a bear out front and oh such good homemade tasting ice cream.

posted by jackie on Nov 21, 2011 at 05:34:52 pm     #  

Now that the photo was posted, I think I vaguely remember seeing the Green Derby as a kid.

I didn't grow up in Toledo, but we did occasionally come down to Franklin Park Mall. I remember seeing Betsy Ross too.

posted by mom2 on Nov 21, 2011 at 05:40:37 pm     #  

Jackie; I think the custard stand was called the Polar Bear. Or... maybe that's just what I remember it as. It was my first taste and the best. My Mom worked there as a Car Hop during the War before she graduated from High School in '44 I believe. When I was small we would stop there and the girls would always bring me a cone...

posted by rch101 on Nov 21, 2011 at 08:24:25 pm     #  

I loved both the Green Derby and the Betsy Ross. I was only in the Green Derby a couple of times before they closed, but I used to go to Betsy Ross frequently. The decor on the inside was dated to say the least.

In fact, I avoid going to Walgreen's, Rite Aid, or Applebees just because they are the boring cookie-cutter establishments that replaced these neat old diners. [And yes, I know this is a capitalist society and yes, I know they had every right to do that...but that doesn't mean I have to like it.]

Here is a long shot: up the road a little bit, on the north side, across from the mall, I think...there was another old restaurant. I think it was a chain, and I seem to recall the sign had a little white-haired cartoon man on it? I thought it might have been a Sambo's, but I'm not sure we ever had Sambo's in this part of the country. I also don't recall if I was ever actually IN this place; I think it may have been boarded up by the time I was paying attention to such things.

Anyone remember?

posted by Sohio on Nov 25, 2011 at 03:06:36 am     #  

Sorry, Sohio, you are not ringing any bells for me. Unless you are talking about Zantigo tacos, that was near the En Japanese location.

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 25, 2011 at 09:52:51 am     #  

Sohio, the only thing I remember near where you've mentioned is John Krotzer's Steak House. I believe maybe it was where Hooters is located today.

posted by 6th_Floor on Nov 25, 2011 at 10:50:24 am     #  

I remember being in the back seat of our car as a child and seeing Kiddyland zip past a couple of times. My dad wouldn't stop.

posted by gamegrrl on Nov 25, 2011 at 11:18:06 am     #  

It wasn't Besty Ross- that was on Monroe and Secor. Yep! BR had delicious waffles, hash brown potatoes, pancakes, etc. The wait staff was congenial, too. It was owned by the International House of Pancakes (now IHOP). The place was torn down so a drug store could be built there during Toledo's "drug store war".

posted by flinty on Nov 26, 2011 at 09:48:29 pm     #  

Does anybody have pictures of Bunde Bros Station? The station was built by Hickok Oil and was Hi-Speed Station.

posted by hispeed54 on Jun 18, 2012 at 10:20:32 pm     #  

I can get you a picture of this thread and that's pretty old, LOL.

I think the old Reynolds and Heatherdowns thread used to be in this spot.

posted by JoeyGee on Jun 18, 2012 at 10:27:13 pm     #  

hispeed, I remember Bunde Brothers. My Dad parked his tractor/trailer and bulldozer there. Just east of there was O'Brian's. Great Ribs and riced type hash browns...

posted by rch101 on Jun 18, 2012 at 10:42:33 pm     #  

Drug store wars hehe, yeah I remember that, if there was a competing store they opened one across from it, idiots. Reminds me of a place in London Canada, they had a Tim Hortons, kitty corner to a, yep Tim Hortons. I commented on it to the locals that I was working with and they didn't seem like there was anything wrong with it. I said don't they compete for the same customers? They said no, I guess Canadians worship Tim Horton or something. They were both busy as I drove by every morning.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 19, 2012 at 01:10:00 am     #  

Another CK alumni (1976). Any other pictures of that area would be very cool to see

posted by Hoops on Jun 19, 2012 at 07:31:38 am     #  

If you go way, way back, Franklin Park used to be an airport.

posted by WhatThe on Jun 19, 2012 at 09:07:11 am     #  

Not sure that Betsy Ross was part of IHOP, but I know that at the time of it's closing it was NOT. The elderly ladies that owned (& worked there) it, could not find anyone to buy it. That is why it eventually got torn down.
Not sure about the "cartoon guy" restaurant across from FPM, but I remember a restaurant there called O'Henry's, I believe. It later became CJ Barrymore's (did my first and only bl_w j_b (drink) there, which shot out my nose and burned like hell for the next several days, but that's another story). And then I think it became a Chinese restaurant before being torn down to make room for Red Lobster and Party City. The only place I can picture that had a "cartoon guy" was Captain Billy's Whizz Bang on the corner of Mellwood and Laskey, now a Sidelines.

posted by llz on Jun 19, 2012 at 12:29:18 pm     #  

Regarding Bunde Bros Truck Stop at Secor and Monroe, hispeed and I were talking the 40's 50' and early 60's befor Monroe Sreet was improved from Central Ave to US-23.

posted by rch101 on Jun 19, 2012 at 02:35:02 pm     #  

"If you go way, way back, Franklin Park used to be an airport."

So did Northtown. I believe it was on the northwest side of Telegraph.

posted by nana on Jun 19, 2012 at 03:10:17 pm     #  

Looking forward to the mall that gets built on the soon to be abandoned Toledo Express Airport property. Then it can promptly close after 15 years of mediocre at best popularity, leaving a desolate, pothole filled, wasteland of a parking lot.

It will be used as an overflow lot for Loma Linda's and the newly built Cleland's III (after Cleland's II mysteriously burns down coinciding with the Toledo Airport Mall fail)

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jun 19, 2012 at 03:41:19 pm     #  

Across from Christ the King was Krotzers Steak house and a little farther east was Morgan's Lookout. Morgan's was a hangout for the college crowd back in the 50's. They served 3.2 beer for the under 21 crowd.

At the entrance to FPM was Van's Restaurant. It started out in a big house before it became a piano bar. The Willows Restaurant was on the north side of Monroe across from FPM and still there in early 80's. The Tivoli Restaurant was closer to the intersection of Sylvania and Talmadge.

Go back to when I was a kid and the corner of Talmadge and Sylvania was Franklin Park Airport. The quonset hut building was still there after the mall was built. I used the dry cleaners inside that building.

Franklin Ice Cream main plant was about where Penney's is today. And the Par 3 golf course was on Talmadge Road from Laskey past Andersons.

On Sylvania Ave. from Talmadge to Alexis Road were 2 drive-ins, putt putt, a kiddyland. We are really out in the country now folks.

And yes there was an airport where NorthTowne is now. Used to give $5 plane rides on Sundays. My husband learned to fly out of that airport.

posted by jackie on Jun 19, 2012 at 03:42:44 pm     #  

There was also a Big Boy restaurant on the north side of Sylvania near where the Franklin Park Mall is today. It was still open in 1978 during the big blizzard as it was the first place I got to after I escaped from home.

posted by jackie on Jun 19, 2012 at 03:55:35 pm     #  

A cajun style restaurant opened for a short time in the 80's in that general area (maybe Krotzer's building???)

Does anyone remember the name of it? It was only there a year or so but had good food!

I remember that they had paper table cloths and the wait staff would write your order down right on the table cloth.

posted by shamrock44 on Jun 19, 2012 at 03:55:50 pm     #  

don't forget Shakey's Pizza on the corner of Sylvania/Monroe. Lane Drugs was where Barnes & Noble is now. There was a small store in front called Tansey's where the candy was plentiful. And Fatima's Bar on the corner of Naomi & Monroe....the list goes on.

posted by Hoops on Jun 19, 2012 at 04:10:08 pm     #  

shamrock44 posted at 03:55:50 PM on Jun 19, 2012:

A cajun style restaurant opened for a short time in the 80's in that general area (maybe Krotzer's building???)

Does anyone remember the name of it? It was only there a year or so but had good food!

I remember that they had paper table cloths and the wait staff would write your order down right on the table cloth.

I was thinking about that place earlier, but didn't post. It was in the Willows building after the Willows closed, no question. I think that it was 1992. I remember going there newly single. (blush)
It's gonna drive me nuts now. What was the name of that place? Big joint.

posted by justread on Jun 19, 2012 at 06:26:06 pm     #  

Was there an Asian resturant at the corner of Harvest and Monroe before or after the Church's Chicken?

posted by justread on Jun 19, 2012 at 06:28:00 pm     #  

I thought there was a Damon's Rib place where the Willows once was.

posted by buckeye278 on Jun 19, 2012 at 06:29:58 pm     #  

justread

There was a Chinese Restaurant at the corner of Harvest and Monroe. Used to eat lunch there occasionally. I worked in the area and lived on Harvest Lane at that time.

buckeye278

The Willows, which at one time was a very classy place, was followed by Damon's Ribs.

posted by jackie on Jun 19, 2012 at 06:35:21 pm     #  

Used to give $5 plane rides on Sundays.

Five dollars was a considerable sum back then. Gas was $0.25 per gallon; I think that my grade school lunch was $0.35.

I really enjoyed The Willows. Everyone dressed up and they had a live band and a dance floor. I don't think I ever saw a man there who wasn't wearing a suit and tie. They didn't advertize the place as fine dining, but it was... fine.

Now Angelo's Northwood Villa has the audacity to advertize that they offer a fine dining experience, and you'll see tables of people in cut off blue jeans and tank tops. Gross.

posted by madjack on Jun 19, 2012 at 07:35:18 pm     #  

madjack

$5 was a lot of money. But it got lot of people interested in learning to fly. And kids under 5 flew free. I agree about the Willows. It truly was fine dining in every sense of the word.

posted by jackie on Jun 19, 2012 at 08:11:40 pm     #  

Are you guys thinking of Yee's Garden at Harvest and Monroe?

posted by shamrock44 on Jun 19, 2012 at 08:15:30 pm     #  

Willows was where we went to dinner for our Prom '66. I was dressed right but socially "dumb as a rock". Ordered my first fillet. Scared to death I didn't have enough money.

Thanks a million Dad for slipping me the $20 before I left the house...

posted by rch101 on Jun 19, 2012 at 11:33:37 pm     #  

"Are you guys thinking of Yee's Garden at Harvest and Monroe?"

Or, was it China Gate? At one time, there were two China Gates - the one on Monroe and one where the current Waffle House on Heatherdowns and Reynolds is located. In their day, both were quite good. They were part of the Mark Pi empire that apparently crumbled for who knows what reason.

posted by Foodie on Jun 20, 2012 at 09:13:52 am     #  

Foodie

I think it was Yee's Garden. Never very busy as sometimes I was the only customer.

posted by jackie on Jun 20, 2012 at 11:32:38 am     #  

Yee's was busier when they were located across from what is now Bast Buy on Monroe Street (next to the old Mister Donut) - they had GREAT egg rolls!!

posted by shamrock44 on Jun 20, 2012 at 02:36:26 pm     #  

Willows was where we went to dinner for our Prom '66. I was dressed right but socially "dumb as a rock".

Have you changed since then? :)

I was fortunate that my parents taught me refined table manners when I was very young. The first civilized meal I had with my peer group started with me explaining to my best friend Eddie that he didn't have to admonish the hat check girl not to steal anything out of his coat. From there we went through a few items on the menu, like oysters and snails. They tried shrimp cocktail; I had oysters, which I'd learned to like as dad brought them home at times. Then there was Eddie's reaction to the waiter when he tied a bib around Eddie - we'd ordered crab, you see. You'd think the man had a garrote the way Eddie looked at him.

The whole business ended up okay. The girls certainly liked it, and I learned that women enjoyed being attended to and waited on. A valuable lesson, that.

posted by madjack on Jun 21, 2012 at 11:01:55 am     #  

Betsy Ross was on the NE corner of Secor and Monroe. Great pancakes, waffles, eggs, hash browns. I saw former governor Dick Celeste in there once. The place was razed to make room for a Walgreen's during Toledo's "drug store war".

posted by flinty on Jun 21, 2012 at 12:23:03 pm     #  

Does anyone remember the name of the greenhouse that was near Sylvania and Secor (I think) or in that area? I think it was destroyed by a tornado that hit that area and point place. It may have been in the '70's or late "60's.

posted by crazynan on Jun 22, 2012 at 09:30:25 am     #  

crazynan posted at 09:30:25 AM on Jun 22, 2012:

Does anyone remember the name of the greenhouse that was near Sylvania and Secor (I think) or in that area? I think it was destroyed by a tornado that hit that area and point place. It may have been in the '70's or late "60's.

I think that it was Bettingers. I also think it was still there in the late 70s, as was a little hardware store and a paint store not far up Secor from the White Hut.

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2012 at 10:47:00 am     #  

Anybody have old pictures of some of these places. Upload yours to this site:
http://www.whatwasthere.com/browse.aspx#!/ll/41.6639383,-83.55521199999998/zoom/12/

posted by a_fan on Jun 22, 2012 at 11:31:16 am     #  

The killer tornado in Toledo was in 1973. It made a path down Sylvania Avenue before heading to Point Place. Bettinger's Nursery, on Violet Road, had much loss due to broken glass at that time but was still in business in 1984 if I remember correctly

The hardware and paint store was almost directly in front of greenhouse on Secor Road.

posted by jackie on Jun 22, 2012 at 04:38:38 pm     #  

"The killer tornado in Toledo was in 1973. It made a path down Sylvania Avenue before heading to Point Place."

The sounds like the 1965 Palm Sunday tornado.

Known among Toledoans as the "Palm Sunday tornado," the funnel that cleared a 10-mile path through West and North Toledo was the worst natural disaster in Toledo's history, killing 15 people, injuring 208, and leaving 310 families homeless.

Much of the devastation, totaling $12 million in damage, centered on the area near Suder Avenue and the Toledo-Detroit Expressway - now known as I-75.

The tornado's funnel touched down in Toledo at about 9:30 p.m. and traveled northeast from Monroe Street and Secor Road, along Sylvania Avenue, across Tremainsville Road, down Eleanor Avenue, and across Laskey Road, Telegraph Road, and Stickney Avenue.

It came down hard on Fuller's Creekside subdivision, just off I-75 at Suder Avenue; the Summit Street, Shoreland Avenue, and Edgewater Drive areas in Point Place, and again on the Lost Peninsula just across the Michigan line before it dissipated over Maumee Bay.

Toledo businesses, including 45 farm, commercial, and industrial structures, were damaged. Structures at Bettinger's Farm and Greenhouses, near Secor Road and Sylvania Avenue, were flattened. Three buildings and a smokestack at the E.I. duPont de Nemours & Co. paint factory at Tremainsville Road and Upton Avenue were destroyed; damage was estimated at more than $150,000.

In Toledo, many of the bodies were recovered from smashed homes in the Point Place and Lost Peninsula areas near the Michigan state line. Several people, including the driver, were killed when a Shortway bus was tossed upside down while traveling on I-75.

posted by jr on Jun 22, 2012 at 05:03:42 pm     #  

madjack posted at 11:01:55 AM on Jun 21, 2012:

Willows was where we went to dinner for our Prom '66. I was dressed right but socially "dumb as a rock".

Have you changed since then? :)

I was fortunate that my parents taught me refined table manners when I was very young. The first civilized meal I had with my peer group started with me explaining to my best friend Eddie that he didn't have to admonish the hat check girl not to steal anything out of his coat. From there we went through a few items on the menu, like oysters and snails. They tried shrimp cocktail; I had oysters, which I'd learned to like as dad brought them home at times. Then there was Eddie's reaction to the waiter when he tied a bib around Eddie - we'd ordered crab, you see. You'd think the man had a garrote the way Eddie looked at him.

The whole business ended up okay. The girls certainly liked it, and I learned that women enjoyed being attended to and waited on. A valuable lesson, that.

... apparently not a valuable enough lesson there, maddie. :P

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 22, 2012 at 09:27:38 pm     #  

I think AC wants to be waited on Madjack.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 22, 2012 at 09:39:40 pm     #  

The 1965 tornado may have been bigger, not sure. But when I was a kid, maybe 1973... maybe earlier... we had two tornados that traveled about the same path. We had a tree dropped on our house near Gracewood and Douglas and there was a bunch of damage on Westbrook near Blessed Sacrament. I remember people cutting the tree until the second one came. Basement again. After that, we moved near Franklin Park, hence my interest in the original thread.

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2012 at 10:15:10 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 09:39:40 PM on Jun 22, 2012:

I think AC wants to be waited on Madjack.

Let him wait.

posted by madjack on Jun 23, 2012 at 08:55:46 am     #  

I love these threads that talk about my old stomping ground. I'm another CKer from the early eighties. Lived on Talmadge Green right behind that Tireman, across from Franklin Park. The big standouts in that neighborhood for me were Shale's drug store, Ozzy's arcade(where the Vitamin Shoppe is now) and Par 3.

posted by breaker on Jun 23, 2012 at 07:40:05 pm     #  

breaker posted at 07:40:05 PM on Jun 23, 2012:

I love these threads that talk about my old stomping ground. I'm another CKer from the early eighties. Lived on Talmadge Green right behind that Tireman, across from Franklin Park. The big standouts in that neighborhood for me were Shale's drug store, Ozzy's arcade(where the Vitamin Shoppe is now) and Par 3.

The big standouts for me were the dirt bike track behind sportfame where they eventually built the apartment complex, the Schmitt family pool, the creek behind your house, playing "go to court" until after dark, riding bikes everywhere. Was there a franklin ice cream roughly were Nick and Jimmy's is now? I remember getting there using the short cut behind McDonalds near Kathy Lane.

posted by justread on Jun 24, 2012 at 07:55:16 am     #  

Forgot a restaurant in the row on Sylvania east of Harvest. The Lorelyn (sp?) Ranch - t'was Krotzers, Morgan's Look and the "Ranch". There was a small carryout about at Willis Blvd. Still in operation in 1978.

All drugstores of that era were great. They had soda fountains and you haven't lived till you have had a cherry fountain coke.

posted by jackie on Jun 24, 2012 at 11:45:46 am     #  

justread posted at 07:55:16 AM on Jun 24, 2012:
breaker posted at 07:40:05 PM on Jun 23, 2012:

I love these threads that talk about my old stomping ground. I'm another CKer from the early eighties. Lived on Talmadge Green right behind that Tireman, across from Franklin Park. The big standouts in that neighborhood for me were Shale's drug store, Ozzy's arcade(where the Vitamin Shoppe is now) and Par 3.

The big standouts for me were the dirt bike track behind sportfame where they eventually built the apartment complex, the Schmitt family pool, the creek behind your house, playing "go to court" until after dark, riding bikes everywhere. Was there a franklin ice cream roughly were Nick and Jimmy's is now? I remember getting there using the short cut behind McDonalds near Kathy Lane.

Wait a minute, dude, are you talking about the Schmitts on Talmadge Green? I went to CK with Mike Schmitt, he was one of my best buds back then. Been in that pool many times. But, I'm thinking you go back farther than me because I had no idea there was a dirt bike track where the apartment complex stands. The apartments were there when I got there.

And I know that exact shortcut on Kathy Lane you're talking about, back when Lane's drugs was still there. My older brother was friends with the kid that lived in the house next to the trail. Sylvinski, I think his name was.

posted by breaker on Jun 24, 2012 at 10:58:35 pm     #  

Forgot about the bike trails in that field, and all of the tree forts. WE used to ride our bikes everywhere through that neighborhood bounded by Harvest, Laskey, Monroe and Talmadge.
Yes, Franklin Ice Cream was in that same area before N & J. Many weekdays spent playing at dollar days at the Putt Putt, then playing the PAR 3 course when we were older (Now Anderson's)

posted by Hoops on Jun 25, 2012 at 09:25:11 am     #  

When did the Franklin Ice Cream disappear? I don't seem to recall that. I vaguely recall a Color tile store in that area? But, yeah, Putt-Putt. I dumped craploads of quarters into those machines. There and at Red Baron of course.

posted by breaker on Jun 25, 2012 at 03:22:30 pm     #  

Found this article about the old Franklin Ice Cream. I think it must have become a United Dairy Farmers by the time I got to the neighborhood. I do remember a UDF in that area.

http://www.toledohistorybox.com/2010/08/27/franklin-ice-cream-airport-park-mall/

posted by breaker on Jun 25, 2012 at 04:02:45 pm     #  

Here is a cool story that is oddly appropriate for this thread because it involves a now defunct resteraunt and lost connections.

Every year I go to Minnesota where my wife is from and see her family and my brother-in-law and myself get a chance to fish.

This year we were up about 2 hours north of the twin cities and a man approached me and began talking to me. He said I reminded him of someone. We talked and I assured him I doubted it because I was originally from Toledo. His eyes lit up and he explained that's where he was from. I went through the names of my family and friends and he didn't recognize any of them but he too lived in the South End.

Well we came to an impass and then my wife walked up with my 2 year old little boy. He has bright red hair which my wife and I don't. Then he looked at me and asked where he got the red hair and I told him my mom had red hair. I showed him a picture of her from my phone and he said "Wait did she work at the 4E in the 70's". Here he would go there twice a week for about 10 years and for 7 of it my mom was a waitress there.

It was cool to be able to talk Toledo with a stranger for a bit and learn that apparently I look exactly like my mom sans red hair.

Another side note. Bettinger's was mentioned (they're 2nd cousins) reminded of them this morning on the 11 year old stealing the car story. My then ten year old grandfather stole his sisters fiance's (a Bettinger) car and drove in to his school, Gesu, back in the 30's.

posted by MikeyA on Jun 25, 2012 at 06:10:04 pm     #  

breaker posted at 10:58:35 PM on Jun 24, 2012:
justread posted at 07:55:16 AM on Jun 24, 2012:
breaker posted at 07:40:05 PM on Jun 23, 2012:

I love these threads that talk about my old stomping ground. I'm another CKer from the early eighties. Lived on Talmadge Green right behind that Tireman, across from Franklin Park. The big standouts in that neighborhood for me were Shale's drug store, Ozzy's arcade(where the Vitamin Shoppe is now) and Par 3.

The big standouts for me were the dirt bike track behind sportfame where they eventually built the apartment complex, the Schmitt family pool, the creek behind your house, playing "go to court" until after dark, riding bikes everywhere. Was there a franklin ice cream roughly were Nick and Jimmy's is now? I remember getting there using the short cut behind McDonalds near Kathy Lane.

Wait a minute, dude, are you talking about the Schmitts on Talmadge Green? I went to CK with Mike Schmitt, he was one of my best buds back then. Been in that pool many times. But, I'm thinking you go back farther than me because I had no idea there was a dirt bike track where the apartment complex stands. The apartments were there when I got there.

And I know that exact shortcut on Kathy Lane you're talking about, back when Lane's drugs was still there. My older brother was friends with the kid that lived in the house next to the trail. Sylvinski, I think his name was.

Yep. Mike was younger than me. I lived there before the apartments. It was a (Probably not that huge) HUGE lot between the creek and Talmadge, and between Sportfame and the houses on Ariel. Older kids than me built tree houses what seemed like 100 feet off of the ground. I moved in my teens, but remember going out to see a house being built in Berkey or something.
We watched the apartments being built. We played on the site when they went home. It was the 70s.

I think you are right about UDF.

Sounds like a couple of you could have been at a Monac teen town. Probably before breaker. Maybe not Hoops.

posted by justread on Jun 25, 2012 at 09:58:03 pm     #  

I feel like I hijacked. I'm sorry if I did.

posted by justread on Jun 25, 2012 at 09:58:38 pm     #  

Been away for a few months and looking at stuff posted since I left. The house on Talmadge Green with the pool...wondering if this is the house my brother owns. He bought it a little over 20 years ago. Had a big rectangular pool in back. I say "had" because when his kids went off to college he had it filled in. Today you'd never know there was once a pool there.

posted by shortysmom on Aug 21, 2012 at 12:50:13 am     #  

I used to ride my bike to McDonalds and use that vacant lot "entrance" that was behind the restaurant. Dave Sliwinski lived next door, for sure, another CK'er.

posted by JohnnyMac on Aug 21, 2012 at 07:21:59 am     #  

shortysmom posted at 12:50:13 AM on Aug 21, 2012:

Been away for a few months and looking at stuff posted since I left. The house on Talmadge Green with the pool...wondering if this is the house my brother owns. He bought it a little over 20 years ago. Had a big rectangular pool in back. I say "had" because when his kids went off to college he had it filled in. Today you'd never know there was once a pool there.

Just peeked at AREIS. As of 2010, the schmidt's pool is still there.

I'll bet that your brother bought the Ahlfor's house near the corner on the same side. Another pool we swam in. It took up the entire back yard. I see that it is gone.

posted by justread on Aug 22, 2012 at 01:03:11 pm     #  

That be the one!

posted by shortysmom on Aug 22, 2012 at 11:58:59 pm     #  

Lots of people remmember "Hot n Now" little burgers on Secor where the Del Taco is now. But does anyone recall the tiny burger place that existed in that same spot BEFORE Hot n Now? It was the same type of place, in the same bld but had a different name.

I lived right near there in the early 80's and cannot recall that original tiny burger place! (No...not White Castle)

posted by Star56 on Aug 23, 2012 at 07:10:46 am     #  

Top Hat

posted by justread on Aug 23, 2012 at 07:14:30 am     #  

As a transplant to Toledo a few decades ago (officially moved in 1990, but had business interests here by 1989) I thought by now I had a decent grasp of local history and culture, but this thread reminds me I have a long way to go before I have the sort of civic memory to rival the oldtimers.

I did eat at the Green Derby before it closed/moved, though.

posted by historymike on Aug 23, 2012 at 07:37:06 am     #  

Further up on Monroe, near the Sakura was the Garden Inn, which included a small hotel at one time. On Talmadge, you had the Charcoal House but also a Steak n Ale

posted by Hoops on Aug 23, 2012 at 09:10:03 am     #  

Wasn't Frisco's Deli in the same building as Del Taco (and Krispy Kreme!!) at one time? I loved their food!!

posted by shamrock44 on Aug 23, 2012 at 09:13:07 am     #  

Frisco's Deli had the best broccoli cheese soup served in a sourdough bread bowl. And, if I recall correctly, you could order an Anchor Steam to go with it.

posted by JohnnyMac on Aug 23, 2012 at 10:38:45 am     #  

Yum

posted by upso on Aug 23, 2012 at 11:09:12 am     #  

And, if I recall correctly, you could order an Anchor Steam to go with it.

Small topic hijack...I've been on a tour of the Anchor Steam brewery in San Francisco, and it was pretty fascinating. Until the tour, I was completely unaware of the differences in the brewing process for the steam beers!

posted by mom2 on Aug 23, 2012 at 11:10:02 am     #  

G.D. Ritzy's?

posted by mixman on Aug 23, 2012 at 07:06:00 pm     #  

mixman posted at 07:06:00 PM on Aug 23, 2012:

G.D. Ritzy's?

Yep. I think that you are right.
Top Hat was the small hamburger place at douglas and laskey.

posted by justread on Aug 23, 2012 at 09:27:49 pm     #  

i thought that was a kewpee on laskey at douglas

posted by jhop on Aug 23, 2012 at 09:45:25 pm     #  

i don't think we've ever had a kewpee in toledo?
have we?

posted by upso on Aug 23, 2012 at 09:52:53 pm     #  

There was a Kewpee in Toledo in the past. I met the owner a couple months back. The 3 in Findlay are all that are left

posted by idinspired on Aug 23, 2012 at 10:45:39 pm     #  

jhop posted at 09:45:25 PM on Aug 23, 2012:

i thought that was a kewpee on laskey at douglas

Kewpee was there during the 60s and early 70s.

Hamburg, fries, shake: $1.00

Top Hat was late 80s. Thin cheap hamburgers and 2:00am drive through nonsense.

posted by justread on Aug 24, 2012 at 08:18:43 am     #  

Laskey/Douglas also the home of the former Hinkle's Donuts

posted by Hoops on Aug 24, 2012 at 09:31:55 am     #  

Hinkles is gone????

posted by shamrock44 on Aug 24, 2012 at 11:02:21 am     #  

There used to be a Kewpee at Monroe and Collingwood back in the late 40's. Used to go there after church sometimes.

posted by deere1 on Aug 24, 2012 at 11:28:46 am     #  

I miss Hinkles donuts,

posted by jackie on Aug 24, 2012 at 12:30:54 pm     #  

Yeppers: Hinkles made some tasty donuts. At least three of the extra 20 pounds I carry probably have their origin in Hinkles Doughnuts.

posted by historymike on Aug 24, 2012 at 02:17:13 pm     #  

upso, there was a Kewpee on the SW corner of Douglas and Laskey (now a Sunoco station). Another Kewpee was downtown on Collingwoo and 23rd. The company had an odd name- Kewpee Hotels.

posted by flinty on Aug 24, 2012 at 05:14:38 pm     #  

nana, The airport on Telegraph and Alexis that previously occupied the land where the Northtowne Mall stood was National Airport.

posted by flinty on Aug 24, 2012 at 05:18:57 pm     #  

I miss White Hut and Lil Hut...

posted by rch101 on Aug 24, 2012 at 05:31:47 pm     #  

I think there is still a Kewpee in downtown Lima. I am unaware of any in Findlay, but I could be wrong.

posted by JohnnyMac on Aug 24, 2012 at 05:35:30 pm     #  

justread posted at 01:03:11 PM on Aug 22, 2012:
shortysmom posted at 12:50:13 AM on Aug 21, 2012:

Been away for a few months and looking at stuff posted since I left. The house on Talmadge Green with the pool...wondering if this is the house my brother owns. He bought it a little over 20 years ago. Had a big rectangular pool in back. I say "had" because when his kids went off to college he had it filled in. Today you'd never know there was once a pool there.

Just peeked at AREIS. As of 2010, the schmidt's pool is still there.

I'll bet that your brother bought the Ahlfor's house near the corner on the same side. Another pool we swam in. It took up the entire back yard. I see that it is gone.

We lived two houses down from the Ahlfors at 4530 Talmadge Green. My older brother was good friends with Kirk.

Just out of curiosity to anyone familiar with the Schmidts...does anyone know where they moved to? I was recently trying to track down some old friends on Facebook and got to thinking where Mike might be at these days.

posted by breaker on Aug 24, 2012 at 08:12:07 pm     #  

I think that you were a half a generation behind me, breaker. I lived closer to Ariel. I knew the Kohler's who lived between you and the Ahlfor's.

posted by justread on Aug 24, 2012 at 09:21:43 pm     #  

Been a long time justread, but I think I remember the Kohlers. Older couple who had a dog named Louie? From your end of the street, only two names I can think of were Danny Warner, who lived directly across from the Schmidts and an older kid who's name I vaguely recall as John Lechman, or something like that. Also a kid named Pete Miller over on Kathy near Ariel. Those were the days.

posted by breaker on Aug 25, 2012 at 05:41:06 pm     #  

Too funny. We've pretty much named every family from that neighborhood.

Small world. Probably know each other on some level.

Sorry for the sort-of-hijack. Amazing how many people from that area are on this thread.

posted by justread on Aug 25, 2012 at 09:48:26 pm     #  

Justread.............YES! It was Top Hat!! Thanks a ton! I have trying to recall that place for the longest time.

posted by Star56 on Aug 29, 2012 at 04:47:35 am     #