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The Bain of Mitt Romney’s campaign

A company that laid off hundreds of employees. A federal “bailout” to rescue a failing bank. Mitt Romney, at the center of it all.

The Bain of Mitt Romney’s campaign
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58952.html

Quote from video:
“The way the company was rescued was with a federal bailout of $10 million,” the ad says. “The rest of us had to absorb the loss … Romney? He and others made $4 million in this deal. … Mitt Romney: Maybe he’s just against government when it helps working men and women.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58952.html#ixzz1ibqLIKEs

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posted by jr on Jan 05, 2012 at 05:28:17 pm     #  

I wonder if Romney will sell united state off for scrap like he did to 22% of the companies that Bain invested in them get the leverage them up with debt, and then sell them off for scrap..allowing Bain investors to walkaway with hugh profits while the companies in which Bain invested wound up in bankruptcy, laying off workers and reneging on benefits.. Like Worldwide Grinding Systems, went belly up after Bain invested in it.. The Company lost 750 jobs, but the federal government had to come in and bail out its pension fund... While Bain walked away with millions in profit..This is the man that the republicans are supporting... How stupid can they all be.. Oh well need I say more they voted bush jr, in twice...

posted by italiajojo05 on Apr 24, 2012 at 04:32:36 pm     #  

Too bad this all occured after Romney left Bain in 1999. From there his remaining holdings had him as a silent partner which left him no say in how the firm invested and thus he had no say in how they made money.

Maybe you should look for sources other than Politico wolfie.

I wouldn't want to have to see you publicly apologize to Mitt Romney like you had to to Brian Wilson.

posted by MikeyA on Apr 24, 2012 at 05:02:26 pm     #  

Mitt Romney is his own worst enemy, he doesn't need your help Wolfie.

He has zero shot at beating Obama, and I'm not Obama fan.

posted by dbw8906 on Apr 24, 2012 at 07:11:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

Oh any btw shouldn't your argument be that government shouldn't be handing out money out to rich men to run companies who already have enough money in the bank to pay the bills to begin with?

posted by dbw8906 on Apr 24, 2012 at 07:12:54 pm     #  

Why did someone have to publicly apologize to Brian Wilson??? I haven't heard that story??

posted by shamrock44 on Apr 24, 2012 at 07:15:07 pm     #  

Obama has a big problem.

If he criticizes Romney on his "liberal" record, he winds up shooting himself in the face.

If he criticizes Romney on his "conservative" record, he instead does Romney's job for him by drawing attention to the fact that Obama's own un-conservative policies have led us down the drain.

Obama's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Plus, Obama apparently can't run a re-election campaign any better than he can run the country. Mommy-gate and dog-gate have already blown up in his own face like exploding cigars. Every time he takes a step, it's on a rake.

posted by texlovera on Apr 25, 2012 at 11:47:17 am     #  

Yawn!Another of Wolfman's anti Republican posts.We get it,you don't like Republicans.

posted by buckeye278 on Apr 25, 2012 at 08:03:01 pm     #  

shamrock, wolfman had a big habit of criticizing Brian Wilson. It is/was an obsession. Well wolfman made a couple of public claims about the status of Mr. Wilson's wife's terms of employment and the Wilson's sent Paul Wolfarth aka wolfman a cease and desist letter demanding a public retraction and apology. To which Paul apologized and retracted the statement. It's documented quite well at swampbubbles, I don't know if it was here so much as I have only recently begun regularly contributing here again.

posted by MikeyA on Apr 25, 2012 at 08:25:07 pm     #  

"Obama has a big problem."
Romney's got a bigger problem. How does he criticize a health care bill that closely mirrors his own?

posted by pink_slip on Apr 26, 2012 at 08:21:55 pm     #   2 people liked this

Easy Pink Slip.

One was highly popular in the STATE it was passed thus remaining within the Constitutional powers reserved to the STATE.

The other is a FEDERAL overreach into powers Constitutionally reserved to the States.

If it such a problem for Romney and such a boon for the President why isn't the Axelrod talking about it anymore? Oh yeah, immensely unpopular and will be ruled unconstitutional.

posted by MikeyA on Apr 26, 2012 at 10:10:22 pm     #   1 person liked this

Then why did Romney suggest that the federal government adopt his healthcare plan in Mass. for the entire US?

posted by pink_slip on Apr 26, 2012 at 11:24:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

posted by BusterBluth on Apr 27, 2012 at 12:53:39 am     #  

Pink_slip, Romney doesn't have a problem. He says the first day he is in office that he will repeal Obamacare.

You point to this and that and try to cloud the issue, but really, how much stronger of a committment can you get than that?

posted by shamrock44 on Apr 27, 2012 at 01:42:50 am     #  

While I'm not a Obamacare fan, the President doesn't have the power to repeal laws. He can choose to work to not fund the program, but he does not have the power to wipe it off the books.

How can we argue we don't have money for someone's liver but endless funds for the war machine? Drone bases around the world popping up like McDonalds is not "defense", it's control.

posted by dbw8906 on Apr 27, 2012 at 06:15:31 am     #   1 person liked this

pink_slip, when someone posts "obama has a big problem", it's not because of any health bill, it's because HE'S GONNA LOSE THE ELECTION!

posted by Wulf on Apr 27, 2012 at 12:35:43 pm     #  

"How can we argue we don't have money for someone's liver but endless funds for the war machine? Drone bases around the world popping up like McDonalds is not "defense", it's control."
Very well said

posted by pink_slip on Apr 27, 2012 at 06:29:28 pm     #  

Apples and oranges. Even without a war you'll play hell getting a liver when you are older if it has to be approved by a government panel.

posted by shamrock44 on Apr 27, 2012 at 08:52:40 pm     #  

"...if it has to be approved by a government panel."
All insurance companies have "panels" that decide what gets covered and what doesn't

posted by pink_slip on Apr 28, 2012 at 12:36:38 pm     #  

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/romney-supported-federal-individual-mandate-in-200

posted by pink_slip on Apr 28, 2012 at 12:38:08 pm     #   1 person liked this

Well then you should be very happy for a President Romney then shouldn't you pink?

If you want to campaign for him and this mandate I can put you in contact with some people.

posted by MikeyA on Apr 30, 2012 at 03:18:19 am     #  

Your reply makes no sense. I was pointing out the problem Romney is going to have criticizing the health care bill. How do you interpret that as my approval of the bill?

posted by pink_slip on Apr 30, 2012 at 09:12:08 pm     #  

Because you want a Romneycare-type of reform for the entire US. So what you posted means you are in agreement. Plus you've voiced displeasure in Obamacare on SB so I deduced that you would support Romney.

posted by MikeyA on May 01, 2012 at 01:29:00 pm     #  

"Because you want a Romneycare-type of reform for the entire US"
??? No I don't. Where do you get this from?
"Plus you've voiced displeasure in Obamacare"
True. And since Obamacare is based off of Romneycare, why would you think I would like Romneycare?

posted by pink_slip on May 01, 2012 at 02:33:56 pm     #  

Speaking of Bain being Romney's bane...

HOW ABOUT THE LATEST NEWS?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 14, 2012 at 10:36:53 pm     #  

I shall paraphrase:

Obama and Dems: Hey, Romney, how about all those people you fired between 1999 and 2002 while you were working at Bain?

Romney: I wasn't working at Bain, LOL, I was on a leave of absence! You can't pin all those job losses and Bain owning a fetus-disposal company on me! I wasn't there! I left to handle the Olympics!

Obama and Dems: Really now, you weren't doing ANYTHING at Bain after you left to do the Olympics thing in 1999?

Romney: SRSLY! I swore under PENALTY OF PERJURY when I filed my federal campaign finance disclosure form. See, look:

Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake [Olympics] Organizing Committee. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way.

Obama and Dems: O RLY? Well we have some filings from between that point and a time in 2002 whereby you are stating to the SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION (possibly after Sarbanes-Oxley coming into effect, too!) that you were the Grand High Poobah and "sole shareholder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President" of Bain.

Romney: oh fuck Um yeah and Obama's jobs record still sucks, and-

Obama and Dems: STOP. So what's up is that either a) you lied TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE when you said you weren't at Bain when all this outsourcing occurred, and oh by the way you were there when Bain invested in a firm that disposed of aborted fetuses (cue outrage from pro-life conservative base) PLUS you lied to the FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION under penalty of PERJURY OR b) YOU LIED TO THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION (possibly under penalty too, not to mention shareholder/investor lawsuits against Bain making false statements and representations to investors and the SEC).

That is, unless you really want to argue what the definition of "any" is. And if you want to go that route, we'd just like to point out how you Republicans handled that whole Clinton/Lewinsky thing. Turnabout is fair play, after all.

Romney: oh fuck, oh shit

Obama and Dems: Plus, if you WERE at Bain during this period AND you maintain that you had no active role, then what you're saying is that you, as "sole shareholder, Chair, CEO, and Prez" of Bain, had absolutely NO knowledge of what was going on at YOUR (sole shareholder!) company. You were such a fantastic businessman that you were completely in the dark yet you continued to collect six+ figure checks during that time to know nothing and do nothing. Which isn't going to fly very well when people remember all the other collapsed companies, embezzlement, "too big to fail" banks, insider trading, fraud, and other chicanery and criminal activity that have happened from 1999 on.

Romney: Oh fuck, error, ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR

Obama and Dems: So which is it, you liar? Are you a perjuring felon or are you a Wall Street crook lying on your SEC forms? Are you a competent businessman or an idiot buffoon?

Romney: (sparks shoot out of his robotic self) DOES NOT COMPUTE... DOES NOT COMPUTE... DIVIDE BY ZERO, NO TRUTHFUL WINNING ANSWER TO QUESTIONS.

Obama and Dems: There you have it, folks. This is the best man the Republicans could find for the job. He's all that's wrong with the GOP. Vote Obama in November.

Romney: (robotic head spins around and then explodes)

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 14, 2012 at 11:38:03 pm     #  

Someone explained that to me, He was still the owner of Bain Capitol at the time and he had to sign the documents saying he was the sole owner of it till he sold his shares a couple years later. He was filing those forms because legally he had to. that does not mean he was running the company he had turned over the management and operations to his partners and was running the Olympics in Utah. I would be amazed if Obama knew that those forms had to be filed the way they were. It's pretty funny that you question documents as long as they are Romney's how about taking a gander at Obama's college transcripts.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 15, 2012 at 02:49:44 am     #  

College transcripts are not the same things as tax returns, and Obama's released over ten years of those while Romney has release like one or two. Which is odd, because when Romney was being checked out for McCain's VP, he handed over 20+ years of tax returns.

WHAT DID MCCAIN SEE IN ROMNEY'S TAX RETURNS THAT CAUSED HIM TO BE TURNED DOWN IN FAVOR OF PALIN, LINEY?

BTW nice attempt at topic change and diverting attention and subject. Can you NOT play dirty?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 15, 2012 at 08:49:44 am     #  

MikeyA posted at 05:02:26 PM on Apr 24, 2012:

Too bad this all occured after Romney left Bain in 1999. From there his remaining holdings had him as a silent partner which left him no say in how the firm invested and thus he had no say in how they made money.

Maybe you should look for sources other than Politico wolfie.

I wouldn't want to have to see you publicly apologize to Mitt Romney like you had to to Brian Wilson.

I think you need to apologize to wolfie if it turns out (per SEC filings, some carrying penalty of perjury) that Romney was at Bain after 2/99. Like, by writing "I am a Republican asslicker" on the chalkboard 100 times.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 15, 2012 at 08:57:28 am     #   1 person liked this

Linecrosser posted at 02:49:44 AM on Jul 15, 2012:

Someone explained that to me, He was still the owner of Bain Capitol at the time and he had to sign the documents saying he was the sole owner of it till he sold his shares a couple years later. He was filing those forms because legally he had to. that does not mean he was running the company he had turned over the management and operations to his partners and was running the Olympics in Utah. I would be amazed if Obama knew that those forms had to be filed the way they were. It's pretty funny that you question documents as long as they are Romney's how about taking a gander at Obama's college transcripts.

Also, so what you're saying is, is that Romney is such a great businessman that he was GETTING PAID TO DO NOTHING AND KNOW NOTHING AT BAIN DESPITE MAINTINAING THE TITLES OF CHAIRMAN, PRESIDENT, AND CEO? That he was PROFITING OFF OF FIRING PEOPLE AND SENDING JOBS OVERSEAS AND DISPOSING OF ABORTED FETUSES??!

Or are you saying that as CEO, his job is to DO NOTHING AT ALL?!

Pick one, Liney.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 15, 2012 at 09:07:18 am     #  

in other news, ToledoTalk Republicans refuse to respond as they await new directives and talking points from GOP HQ.

We'll see them back here Monday after Limbaugh, Beck, and the masters of Fox News Channel get back into the office.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 15, 2012 at 03:31:26 pm     #  

Wait, so Rmoney "retroactively" retired?

Really?

I'll be back in a moment, I'm retroactively NOT watching the Star Wars prequels, right after I retroactively buy up stocks after October 1929...

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 15, 2012 at 06:47:23 pm     #  

Dont like facts eh.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 16, 2012 at 12:32:55 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 12:32:55 AM on Jul 16, 2012:

Dont like facts eh.

You didn't answer my question, you little chicken-fucker.

Are you saying Romney, as sole shareholder, chairman, president, and CEO of Bain, knew absolutely nothing going on at HIS company from 2/99 through late 2002? Or that he's such a great businessman and CEO that he got paid to DO NOTHING and is thus a prime example of the 1% and how executives are overpaid? Or how about the new third option, that Romney was "retroactively retired" in 2002 with everything post-dated to 1999, which would raise some serious questions about what the hell he was getting paid to do and why he was getting paid in the first place? That would also raise questions about his residency in Mass. and his eligibility to actually have been Governor.

Why did McCain see 20+ years of Romney's tax returns and choose Palin over Romney? What kind of big scary skeleton is hiding in Romney's closet to have made PALIN a better choice? Why won't Romney follow in the footsteps of Daddy when it comes to releasing tax returns?

Romney's lied to someone. Was it on his campaign finance disclosure form, which would be perjury and an ethics violation? Was it to the SEC, which would also entail perjury and investor lawsuits? Was it to the state of Massachusetts when it came to his eligibility/residency? Was it to the IRS on his tax returns? He's a liar, just like you, Lie-ny, he's run a scheme of deception and it's been caught and the best they've got for damage control so far is "retroactive retirement"... until they get done with their all-nighter and hand the talking points over to Limbaugh and Fox News later this morning.

Put down the chicken and answer my questions if you're brave enough.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 16, 2012 at 12:50:00 am     #  

Just got my morning talking points memo from the Koch Bros and Carl Rove. No mention of the Romney-Bain snafu. Instead we were told to focus on Obamacare, the slow job growth, and the growing IRS beuracracy. Like it says in the Constitution "you must be guilty if you won't turn over all your papers"

posted by fred on Jul 16, 2012 at 05:11:46 am     #  

Emptyhead Fred! Good morning sir!

That would be Karl Rove with a K, and I'd love to know why, if one of the definitions of "insanity" is doing the same thing over and over and again and expecting different results, you Republican clowns think holding 33 votes to repeal PPACA is sane, yet you have had zero votes for Obama's jobs bill, don't have a jobs bill of your own, and then attack "slow job growth"? But that's off topic for this thread so we'll just hold that for later.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 16, 2012 at 08:11:31 am     #  

Romney's lied to someone.

So he lied. So what. He's still better than the Ayatollah Obama.

posted by madjack on Jul 16, 2012 at 09:18:26 am     #  

No he didn't know what they were doing at Bain he was running the olympics, he wasn't at Bain, but because he was still the owner he had to file a report with the SEC.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 16, 2012 at 09:43:56 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 09:43:56 AM on Jul 16, 2012:

No he didn't know what they were doing at Bain he was running the olympics, he wasn't at Bain, but because he was still the owner he had to file a report with the SEC.

So what you're saying is that he wasn't "at" Bain but still was "at" Bain as the sole shareholder, managing director, Chairman, President, and CEO, and got paid thousands, even millions of bucks (which we don't know for sure since he won't release his tax returns) from the disposal of fetuses at Stericycle and the sending of jobs overseas. And he's lying on his campaign finance disclosure that said he had no role at Bain after 2/99.

Got it, Lie-ny! Thanks!

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 16, 2012 at 10:14:55 am     #  

madjack posted at 09:18:26 AM on Jul 16, 2012:

Romney's lied to someone.

So he lied. So what. He's still better than the Ayatollah Obama.

How so? You got something other than racist, religionist remarks to back up your argument? Care to cite specific policies?

Thought not.

I'm sure the chicken's finished with its coffee break, so it's time for the two of you to get back to work.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 16, 2012 at 10:16:57 am     #  

Wow you are a running cliche aren't you.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 16, 2012 at 06:32:06 pm     #  

Nope, you're the one who is a cliché. You sound exactly like a right-winger who sits and watches/listens to Fox News, Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck. When pressed, you can't actually elaborate any policies that you specifically disagree with and how they affect you personally. Instead, you cite "Rev. Wright" and other irrelevant crap and then when you really start losing you break out into Nazi Tourette's. You cannot actually explain what policies are "socialism" or what makes them "socialism". You spew the Republican party line yet when confronted with a clear contradiction between what the GOP says and what they actually do you resort to attacking "liberals" without attempting to reconcile the contradiction. You are clearly unable to think for yourself let alone attempt to one-up me by even attempting to debate on the level, despite how easy I make it for you to appear to be a nice, rational, educated conservative, and that's because you've been brainwashed to believe that liberals are "elitist" and appearing to care about representing yourself with something resembling proper grammar and punctuations is a betrayal of right-wing principles.

For someone who purports to be an independent, you couldn't even bring yourself to admit that Romney is truly screwed. Instead, you opted to defend him. What's that say about you? You're a Republican sheep.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 16, 2012 at 07:55:48 pm     #  

And you sound like the mumbler that used to give Obama's news conferences. Give me one good reason I should vote for Obama? I did say good reason.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 16, 2012 at 10:49:50 pm     #  

No. You're doing that evasion thing again. Elaborate exactly what policy disagreements you have and how they affect you personally. Make a rational, well-reasoned argument for once.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 17, 2012 at 09:18:14 am     #  

No, I'm not playing your game, Obama is bad for the country his advisers and czars are screwing up, he has surrounded himself with yes men and will not even stop for a second to look at the actual numbers and second guess any of his policies. He is infallable (in his own mind) and wont change anything he has down, in fact he seems to be doubling down on most of his policies. You can vote for him with tingling feelings up your leg if you want. I sure as hell will be voting for Romney because of the obvious fact of that he is not Obama.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 17, 2012 at 10:52:02 am     #  

WOW! Great question.....policy disagreements: 1-taxpayer dollars to alternative energy sources like Solyndra and Abound Solar, both now bankrupt; 2-support for the Arab Spring revolution which we now know is nothing more than another junta; 3- Obamacare which forces citizens to buy a product whether they want to or not; 4-continuation of the war in Afghanistan which costs American lives and does nothing to protect my rights or keep my freedoms.
How am I personally affected? My tax dollars have funded each of the above named problems. The federal government has no business picking winners and losers in business, no business in Afghanistan, no business in forcing me to buy something I do not want.
I already know ahead of time this won't be reasoned enough for you ac and that you will throw up the name of Bush and other politicians and ask if I was angry when they did the same thing. That's called evasion. You asked for policis and how they affected me, well there you go.

posted by fred on Jul 17, 2012 at 11:15:32 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 10:52:02 AM on Jul 17, 2012:

No, I'm not playing your game, Obama is bad for the country his advisers and czars are screwing up, he has surrounded himself with yes men and will not even stop for a second to look at the actual numbers and second guess any of his policies. He is infallable (in his own mind) and wont change anything he has down, in fact he seems to be doubling down on most of his policies. You can vote for him with tingling feelings up your leg if you want. I sure as hell will be voting for Romney because of the obvious fact of that he is not Obama.

Your description of Obama is a lot more accurate than you think. I have a relative who worked with the man his first year in office and his comment was 'arrogant beyond the point of hubris'. And you're quite correct - the Ayatollah Obama did surround himself with 'yes' men.

posted by madjack on Jul 17, 2012 at 04:29:26 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 10:52:02 AM on Jul 17, 2012:

No, I'm not playing your game, Obama is bad for the country his advisers and czars are screwing up, he has surrounded himself with yes men and will not even stop for a second to look at the actual numbers and second guess any of his policies. He is infallable (in his own mind) and wont change anything he has down, in fact he seems to be doubling down on most of his policies. You can vote for him with tingling feelings up your leg if you want. I sure as hell will be voting for Romney because of the obvious fact of that he is not Obama.

Then get the fuck off the Politics tab instead of spamming us with "WAA OBAMA IS BAD WAAAAA". You can't provide any substance for your bitching, so fuck off. "WAAAA OBAMA IS SCREWING UP!" but not any meat as to why or how.

Also figures you'd vote a crook into office. But Republicans can do no wrong, apparently.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 18, 2012 at 12:24:47 am     #   1 person liked this

fred posted at 11:15:32 AM on Jul 17, 2012:

WOW! Great question.....policy disagreements: 1-taxpayer dollars to alternative energy sources like Solyndra and Abound Solar, both now bankrupt; 2-support for the Arab Spring revolution which we now know is nothing more than another junta; 3- Obamacare which forces citizens to buy a product whether they want to or not; 4-continuation of the war in Afghanistan which costs American lives and does nothing to protect my rights or keep my freedoms.
How am I personally affected? My tax dollars have funded each of the above named problems. The federal government has no business picking winners and losers in business, no business in Afghanistan, no business in forcing me to buy something I do not want.

I already know ahead of time this won't be reasoned enough for you ac and that you will throw up the name of Bush and other politicians and ask if I was angry when they did the same thing. That's called evasion. You asked for policis and how they affected me, well there you go.

And Fred is actually man enough to come to the adult table.

Now, Fred,if you have a problem with taxpayer dollars going to "alternative energy", do you have a problem with them going to oil companies? How about tax breaks for oil companies? Taxpayer dollars to Bush's "faith-based initiatives"?

Arab Spring isn't over, but at least we're not storming these countries and sticking "our guy" in, because that's exactly what the hell keeps getting us into trouble over there. (See also who we've played against who over there, the Shah, the Ayatollah, Saddam, etc.) I wish we'd GTFO of there entirely, including telling Israel and Saudi Arabia to fuck right off, but the GOP will fight tooth and nail to kiss both their asses. I'm actually sort of with RON PAUL on his foreign policy of "GTFO of everywhere and leave them be".

3) And if you have a car you have to have auto insurance, so what's the point? You can choose to not have a car? Or you can choose to not have car insurance, and hope that you don't get in an accident... and when you do get in an accident, you've just fucked everyone else who does get insurance over. That's the same way PPACA works... if people were allowed to opt-out, everyone would opt-out, go to the ER when they get sick, the ER would be forced to treat them, the ER would then jack their prices up and fuck the people who have insurance over as the insurance premiums go up. Tragedy of the Commons. Surely you know this, you just choose to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it.

4) War in Afghanistan: yeah, we should GTFO already too. Then again, if one George Dubya Bush had been good at his word about getting Osama bin Laden, particularly when he was "pinned down in Tora Bora" (remember that, anyone?!?) we might actually have been out of there by now!

So I don't see exactly what makes Obama be Satan Incarnate, particularly as opposed to Romney or any other potential GOP candidate. But what are your guys actually going to do differently? They'll just give the taxpayer dollars to some other companies (or not collect them in a way that encourages the companies to fuck America over, like Romney's great plan not to tax foreign profits). They'll fuck around in the Middle East and we'll be in deeper shit over there. They'll fuck around with healthcare in a way that'll make everything worse and blow more money on it. And I'm pretty goddamn sure if given the chance they'd have us tangling with Iran (and probably not funding that war or even putting it on the books with an actual appropriations bill).

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 18, 2012 at 12:41:50 am     #  

madjack posted at 04:29:26 PM on Jul 17, 2012:
Linecrosser posted at 10:52:02 AM on Jul 17, 2012:

No, I'm not playing your game, Obama is bad for the country his advisers and czars are screwing up, he has surrounded himself with yes men and will not even stop for a second to look at the actual numbers and second guess any of his policies. He is infallable (in his own mind) and wont change anything he has down, in fact he seems to be doubling down on most of his policies. You can vote for him with tingling feelings up your leg if you want. I sure as hell will be voting for Romney because of the obvious fact of that he is not Obama.

Your description of Obama is a lot more accurate than you think. I have a relative who worked with the man his first year in office and his comment was 'arrogant beyond the point of hubris'. And you're quite correct - the Ayatollah Obama did surround himself with 'yes' men.

Okay, I'm game.

Assuming that I believe that Obama is surrounded by "yes" men, which I don't, then at least that means Obama makes the decisions and everyone agrees with them and does them. Which is the opposite of Dubya, where he was surrounded by puppetmasters and other string-pullers and manipulators. And if you really want to go into "yes" men, tell me that Bush never had any. Go ahead and say that Bush's guys were all competent individuals.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 18, 2012 at 12:47:14 am     #  

Lol listen to yourself, obviously you the person calling others haters are consumed by your hatred of Bush, I bet you were one of the "he stole Florida" fanatics too.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 18, 2012 at 01:28:43 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 01:28:43 AM on Jul 18, 2012:

Lol listen to yourself, obviously you the person calling others haters are consumed by your hatred of Bush, I bet you were one of the "he stole Florida" fanatics too.

Hi, I'm Linecrosser, and I am a huge pussy who won't man up and bring an actual argument to the table. Instead, I'm going to shit all over Toledotalk with my LOL OBAMA SUCKS AND LIBERALS SUCK talk.

If you're not going to play nice, then go the fuck home, Liney.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 18, 2012 at 06:34:45 am     #   2 people liked this

Ahhhh well. I don't consider TT the adult table, you may because it makes your anonymous posts seem more important. Let me try to answer your questions while I point out that it only took three sentences for you to mention Bush as I predicted you would. I do have a problem with taxpayer dollars going to oil companies and faith based initiatives.
Arab Spring is OVER. The Muslim Brotherhood is in power. I do not believe we should become entangled in other country's business.
The point on car insurance is that I am not required to buy a car, so I am not required to buy insurance. The federal govt does not mandate I buy car insurance,it's a state thing. But in the case of the PPACA the federal govt is forcing me to either buy health care or pay a fine. Not at all like car insurance. And if I were to be uninsured and got in an accident I would be sued for everything I own by the person I hit.
On Afghanistan your example of getting out if Bush had killed Bin Laden makes little sense. Bin Laden is dead, we are still in Afghanistan.
And I'm not aware of who you mean by "your guys". I don't have guys, and the guys I would have would believe the things I believe or I wouldn't vote for them. The lesser of two evils is still evil in my book.
Your dislike of Romney and other Republicans seems to be rooted in nothing more than your love of Obama and Dems as I've never seen you complain about any Dem/Obama program, but maybe I missed it, I don't often come to the "adult table".

posted by fred on Jul 18, 2012 at 09:32:43 am     #  

It's true that you don't have to own a car. It's also true that you can go your entire life in the USA without a legal job, but if you actually take one, you have to pay into Social Security (or Railroad Retirement, one of the few exceptions to Social Security) and Medicare. So you're still required to pay for health care if you hold a job, regardless. And if you don't have a job, PPACA doesn't fine you for not being able to afford health care - if you make less than $9500 per year, you're exempt.

Don't like the prospect of paying PPACA penalty/tax? Don't have a job. You're not entitled to a job anyhow, unless suddenly the same Republicans who are all "FREE MARKET! CAPITALISM!" and bitch and yell about all regulations on business from EEO to OSHA to food safety regulations and building codes are going to claim Americans are actually entitled to jobs.

I don't have love for Obama or the Dems. They are a pile of spineless pussies who are unable to issue a challenge. What pisses me off is the bullshit, lies, misrepresentation, logical fallacies, and ESPECIALLY the cognitive dissonance out of the right-wing in America. And anyone who stands up against the BS in the GOP is immediately tagged as a RINO and run out of the party on a rail. The Tea Party is nothing more than one of the extreme flavors of Republican politics. Face it, the GOP has clearly put party and power ahead of America, they've already stated so with their "our #1 priority is making Obama a one-term president" stuff, they won't compromise on anything, they push a social agenda that actually enlarges government control of individual lives while espousing FREEDOM FUCK YEAH, etc. etc.

The best you can do for a candidate appealing to people under 30 is RON PAUL, and only because RON PAUL attracts a pile of stoners, conspiracy nuts, and neo-Nazi shitheads because he talks a big game of getting government out of a pile of stuff (quite a bit of which I agree with, BTW) and back on the gold standard (which is simply idiotic but appealing to the kids that read and fell for Atlas Shrugged in school) and he's been pallin' around with white supremacist motherfuckers (where's that picture of him with the webmaster of Stormfront.org?) which gets him an Angry Young White Male vote (and let's face it, young men are not the smartest crowd by far.)

I'm all but screaming "GIVE ME SOMEONE TO VOTE FOR WHO DOESN'T SUCK!" and you guys foist off complete dumbasses like Rich Idiott, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, and Herman Cain, all of whom were gunning for the stupid half of the intelligence bell curve. Huntsman was reasonable but quickly got branded as a RINO because he didn't cater to extreme right-wing Christian dogma. The guy you're left with, Romney, is effectively the Republican John Kerry - a rich fuck with no connection to the average person - and he's forced to try to disavow his previous pro-choice stance, Romneycare, and a whole host of other things in order to appeal to the same idiots who adore Sarah Palin. And now it comes out that hey, he's probably lied to the SEC and/or the Office of Government Ethics and/or the FEC and/or Bain investors and/or the Mass. Elections Commission.

Meanwhile, the Republican Dirty Tricks people are still out there with their Birther bullshit while you face possibly electing a candidate eligible to be impeached for perjury 5 seconds after being sworn in. Really, Republicans? REALLY?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 18, 2012 at 11:25:41 am     #   2 people liked this

He is still better than OPbama.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 18, 2012 at 01:18:05 pm     #  

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 18, 2012 at 08:11:12 pm     #  

Once again, Liney brings the derp to the discussion.

Again, you won't actually cite real issues with the guy or his policies, you just walk in and shit in the thread. The GOP should be firing you soon from your job as paid troll, because you're not worth what they're paying you.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 18, 2012 at 11:01:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

AC your ignorant.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 19, 2012 at 01:41:02 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 01:41:02 AM on Jul 19, 2012:

AC your ignorant.

My ignorant what?

Oh, you mean you're ignorant.

Seriously, dude, give up and leave before the hole you're digging ends up becoming the Mines of Moria and you find a Balrog.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 19, 2012 at 05:25:09 am     #  

You can bang on Ron Paul all you wish for the people who he took pictures with but you have to admit Obama idolized urban terrorist, fact. Get on your stump all you want about associations while good Ole Barry gets lots of money from the Banksters, how much does Dr. Paul get?

Your right we probley can't return to a gold standard as we don't have the money to buy the gold needed to do so. But we must audit the Fed, it's will show the one party system (Greenback Party) and it's manipulation of the of dollar to keep the Banks flush with Monopoly money.

He is the only candidate calling for the immediate end to foreign interventionism as the reasons for going to war are almost always lies. Our boys and girls are not fighting for freedom or liberty, they are fighting for Exxon.

Dr. Paul is the only candidate calling for the immediate end to the War on Drugs as A) the Federal Government does not have the right to tell you what to put into your body and B) it flat out doesn't work.

Dr. Paul is the only candidate standing for our internet freedoms.

Oh btw Obama's current war stratagem does nothing but keep the "GI Joe" Team America machine going. There should be no such thing as a "military career" as we don't need MILLIONS of enlisted troops to defend our country. We can't afford it, national debt is more of a danger than some dudes in a cave 10's of thousands of miles away. And before you try to missuse The Constitution, (derp derp Congress goes to war teabagger) Obama as he has shown with Lybia that he has no respect for the War Powers Act. And let me save you typing time.. "derp derp but Bush did it too". Hello war with Syria or any brownskins who threaten our oil "rights".

But "Progressives" (which BTW is a complete bullshit movement because they will line up in droves to cast their ballot for Obama who is about as far as "Progressive" as you will ever see) refuse to get behind any real Progressive candidate because "heaven forbid we can stop supporting the D because then those evil republicans will WIN! At least you can say the Paul backers who have defected from the Republican party will not vote for Romney, all the disenfranchised "Progressives" will check the D box come November. Even though I don't agree with everything they have to say I would vote for Russ Feingold or Dennis Kucinich over Mitty or Barry but niether Feingold or Kucinich will ever see the top of the Democratic ticket as they dare to challenge the death grip the MIC or Banksters have on our country. Only thing Progressives are good for is keeping the daily show funny.

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 19, 2012 at 06:41:16 am     #   1 person liked this

Oh wait AC your you're and asshole. Did you understand my meaning?

I have found that people who always correct other people's grammar are idiots.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 19, 2012 at 11:23:35 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 11:23:35 AM on Jul 19, 2012:

Oh wait AC your you're and asshole. Did you understand my meaning?

I have found that people who always correct other people's grammar are idiots.

You have no meaning, Liney.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 20, 2012 at 06:01:39 pm     #  

Yeah go screw a chicken, it seems to be your thing for some reason.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 20, 2012 at 06:29:57 pm     #  

We'll find out whenever Rmoney gives in and releases his tax returns. Which is something a number of now-former Republicans want (they got kicked out of the party the minute they said Rmoney should release his tax returns).

Republican party unity is scarier than the old Soviet Communist Party "disappearing" of people.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 22, 2012 at 11:09:07 am     #  

ROFL, sure when Obama releases his college transcripts.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 22, 2012 at 12:59:34 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 12:59:34 PM on Jul 22, 2012:

ROFL, sure when Obama releases his college transcripts.

False equivalency is false. Tax returns are not college transcripts. Quit being a fucking TeaTard dumbass and play on the straight and level.

Rmoney's dad set the precedent in releasing tax returns.

Also, since you and your ilk are the ones who demanded Obama release his long-form birth certificate and all that, you're not getting away with Rmoney not showing up to the game without his tax returns. Obama's coughed up his, where's Rmoney's?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 22, 2012 at 02:44:55 pm     #  

Barackobama.com/truthteam

ROFL they couldn't find the truth if it bit them on the ass.
Would they care to share the missing documents from the Fast and Furious fiasco?
Strange from my understanding in order to invoke executive privilege Obama had to of been involved with it in some way. Since he did invoke it does that mean he did have some knowledge or participation?

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 22, 2012 at 02:58:06 pm     #  

Once again, false equivalency is false.

Liney likes not only comparing apples to oranges, but also to automobiles, manganese nodules, whales, and aliens from the Crab Nebula.

WHERE RMONEY TAX RETURNS WHERE?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 22, 2012 at 09:26:17 pm     #  

Not sure how you figure equivalency but they are both things not being given the light of day at this present time. I'm sure he will release them when he gets around it it, maybe as long as Ombummer took to release his birth certificate.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 23, 2012 at 03:00:48 am     #  

Liney, you are either so fucking stupid that it's a miracle you're able to remember to breathe, or you're being deliberately obtuse.

By the way, Rmoney's not released his college transcripts either, so I guess the answer is "HERP DERP, I, LINECROSSER, AM A FUCKING RETARDED RACIST BRAINWASHED OBAMA-HATING TEAPUBLICAN WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF 'EQUIVALENCY'!"

Would anyone else like to try to explain to Linecrosser that he's making all Republicans look bad?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 23, 2012 at 07:35:09 am     #  

anyone care to explain Coward at all?

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 23, 2012 at 10:40:54 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 10:40:54 AM on Jul 23, 2012:

anyone care to explain Coward at all?

Sure. AnonymousCoward behaves this way for his own amusement. He enjoys mud slinging and flame wars. To that end I've often wondered why he isn't more active on SwampBubbles, but it may be that the SysOp of SwampBubbles has canceled his account. One never knows with AC.

From time to time AC will actually write a serious, thoughtful post about something. Check a few contributions under the theater shooting thread in the main section of TT. When he works at it, the man can be rational and carry on a good discussion. He doesn't enjoy it much, but he's capable.

This, then, is AC's recreation. And there you have it.

posted by madjack on Jul 23, 2012 at 12:05:56 pm     #  

Would they care to share the missing documents from the Fast and Furious fiasco?

No, they would not care to share the incriminating documents from the government approved, taxpayer funded and officially blessed by the Ayatollah Obama Fast and Furious fiasco. They wouldn't even care to explain to the grieving family members just how and why the United States government provided the weapon used to kill their loved one, and did so with the enthusiastic approval of the President of the United States. But, if the documents still exist and can be extracted, and if these documents are made public, I'm sure the Ayatollah Obama will provide an explanation and an official apology.

And that makes it right. Right?

posted by madjack on Jul 23, 2012 at 12:13:31 pm     #  

madjack posted at 12:05:56 PM on Jul 23, 2012:
Linecrosser posted at 10:40:54 AM on Jul 23, 2012:

anyone care to explain Coward at all?

Sure. AnonymousCoward behaves this way for his own amusement. He enjoys mud slinging and flame wars. To that end I've often wondered why he isn't more active on SwampBubbles, but it may be that the SysOp of SwampBubbles has canceled his account. One never knows with AC.

From time to time AC will actually write a serious, thoughtful post about something. Check a few contributions under the theater shooting thread in the main section of TT. When he works at it, the man can be rational and carry on a good discussion. He doesn't enjoy it much, but he's capable.

This, then, is AC's recreation. And there you have it.

I never posted or registered an account at SB.

Yes I do enjoy serious, thoughful posts. I also enjoy pointing out "conservative" hypocrisy. Which is what Liney's doing when he says we know nothing about Obama, but Obama's released 10 years of tax returns, penned 2 autobiographies, and turned over his long-form birth certificate, none of which is satisfactory to Liney (but somehow we still need to see Obama's college transcripts before we see more than one year of Romney's tax returns, and somehow in Liney's GOP Bizarro-verse tax returns and college transcripts are THE EXACT SAME THING.)

Note, everyone, how Liney continues to dodge and change the subject here instead of admitting that his TeaOP people suck, while I have already admitted that Obama sure sucks at some things. And I'm going to continue on Liney until one or more happen: a) he stops with his hypocrisy, b) it's clear that all reasonable people take him to be a textbook example of the whackjob TeaOP supporter and why one shouldn't vote for the TeaOP due to their base being like Liney, c) Liney loses his shit and leaves the board, d) jr intervenes and asks me to stop/deletes the thread/banninates or puts me or Liney on time-out, and/or e) some reasonable respected conservative on this board steps in and says straight up to Liney that he's being an asshole and making the conservative movement look bad and to please shut the fuck up with the Obama derangement BS.

Dunno how many threads I have to say it in but I keep waiting for a "conservative" to actually follow through with the "less/smaller government" and "more freedom/less government in peoples' lives" talk -- which means ditching the conservative Christian-based social agenda that pisses moderates like me right the fuck off and forces me for one to vote for Dem pussies who don't get shit done. I sure as hell ain't gonna vote for some Republican jerk who puts his government in my bed and in the vagina I may or may not have (as I make no specification as to my gender and sexual preferences here).

Liney is a shining example of the kind of deranged, knee-jerking, incapable-of-critical-thinking dumbasses the TeaOP is courting to get up off their fat asses and vote for them so they can maintain power and make themselves richer. I'm sorry, Liney, but the Republican promise that if we just cut taxes and government regulation more and you work a bit harder that you'll suddenly become a millionnaire business owner is BULLSHIT. (Well, it could happen though, if they manage to fuck up the economy any worse and we end up with hyper-inflation to where a million bucks buys a cup of coffee like in Zimbabwe. But then the billionnaires would need serious scientific notation for how much they're worth and Americans aren't smart enough to handle exponents anyhow.)

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 23, 2012 at 04:39:11 pm     #   1 person liked this

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/dvlp.pl/article/25735/A_Citizen_or_Not_a_Citizen

Liney has already demonstrated that he's never going to accept any documentation that Obama submits, even if Jesus Christ manifested Himself right in front of a crowd of people, walked across a river, turned water into wine, and healed people to first prove His credentials and then swore upon a Holy Bible that Obama's docs are 100% true, so help Him Him.

Hell, Jesus could take Liney time-travelling to watch the conception and birth of Obama, and Liney would still be in denial.

Whatevs, Liney. You and your kind are a prime example of why people should not vote for the GOP.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 23, 2012 at 04:45:17 pm     #  

e) some reasonable respected conservative on this board...

Well, that lets me out.

posted by madjack on Jul 23, 2012 at 11:05:30 pm     #  

madjack posted at 11:05:30 PM on Jul 23, 2012:

e) some reasonable respected conservative on this board...

Well, that lets me out.

Which part of that do you fail? Reasonable, respected, or conservative?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 24, 2012 at 12:17:01 am     #  

If Jesus were to manifest, I have a feeling he would disown Obama.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 24, 2012 at 11:24:27 am     #  

Hey Liney, where's Rmoney's tax returns?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 24, 2012 at 06:40:51 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 12:17:01 AM on Jul 24, 2012:
madjack posted at 11:05:30 PM on Jul 23, 2012:

e) some reasonable respected conservative on this board...

Well, that lets me out.

Which part of that do you fail? Reasonable, respected, or conservative?

Yeah.

posted by madjack on Jul 24, 2012 at 10:00:03 pm     #  

madjack posted at 10:00:03 PM on Jul 24, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 12:17:01 AM on Jul 24, 2012:
madjack posted at 11:05:30 PM on Jul 23, 2012:

e) some reasonable respected conservative on this board...

Well, that lets me out.

Which part of that do you fail? Reasonable, respected, or conservative?

Yeah.

Well then, you said it, I didn't.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 24, 2012 at 11:00:31 pm     #  

To continue my point that the Democratic Party is just as dirty and in bed with the Banksters as the Republicans are...

Dennis Kucinich Audit the Fed - http://youtu.be/H5vrlzbe1Zs

But... Steny Hoyer urges ALL Dems to vote NO on Audit the Fed - http://www.democraticwhip.gov/content/daily-whip-tuesday-july-24-2012

The Fed is the real enemy of working class families.

Obama/Romney same monster, call your Congress Person and have them support HR 459.

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 25, 2012 at 06:25:32 am     #  

dbw8906 posted at 06:25:32 AM on Jul 25, 2012:

To continue my point that the Democratic Party is just as dirty and in bed with the Banksters as the Republicans are...

Dennis Kucinich Audit the Fed - http://youtu.be/H5vrlzbe1Zs

But... Steny Hoyer urges ALL Dems to vote NO on Audit the Fed - http://www.democraticwhip.gov/content/daily-whip-tuesday-july-24-2012

The Fed is the real enemy of working class families.

Obama/Romney same monster, call your Congress Person and have them support HR 459.

Personally I think it's time to open up everything and audit the entire government from top to bottom, from counting every stealth bomber and tank down to the paperclips in the clerks' drawers in Congress. Let's find out how many things are missing or a false entry on the books, and let's look to see how much money can't be accounted for properly.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 25, 2012 at 08:32:54 am     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 08:32:54 AM on Jul 25, 2012:
dbw8906 posted at 06:25:32 AM on Jul 25, 2012:

To continue my point that the Democratic Party is just as dirty and in bed with the Banksters as the Republicans are...

Dennis Kucinich Audit the Fed - http://youtu.be/H5vrlzbe1Zs

But... Steny Hoyer urges ALL Dems to vote NO on Audit the Fed - http://www.democraticwhip.gov/content/daily-whip-tuesday-july-24-2012

The Fed is the real enemy of working class families.

Obama/Romney same monster, call your Congress Person and have them support HR 459.

Personally I think it's time to open up everything and audit the entire government from top to bottom, from counting every stealth bomber and tank down to the paperclips in the clerks' drawers in Congress. Let's find out how many things are missing or a false entry on the books, and let's look to see how much money can't be accounted for properly.

Whole heartily agree, from defense contract to socials spending. No more scared cows.

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 25, 2012 at 09:12:09 am     #  

Hell yes, audit everyone's books. If anyone found guilty of stealing, hang them. I do mean Hang Them, punishment should be something that gives others pause before they do the same or worse.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 25, 2012 at 11:42:12 am     #  

You'd better set up more than a few specialized Federal courts to deal with the fallout of any audit. Just Medicare cases alone are clogging the regular Federal district courts:

Major Medicare Fraud Trial Starts in Miami Federal Court
Federal prosecutors said during opening statements in a healthcare fraud trial that a network of doctors, psychologists and others at a Miami-based chain of mental health clinics conspired to fleece hundreds of millions from Medicare.

Woman Sentenced in Medicare Fraud, to pay $10.9 million
Trial testimony by federal investigators and scheme participants showed that patient recruiters were hired...to locate Medicare patients, obtain their Medicare numbers and persuade physicians to prescribe expensive equipment. That equipment included $6,000 power wheelchairs, often for people who neither needed them nor had homes that could accommodate them.

The equipment was sold by the Joneses or other participants in the frauds, according to prosecution witnesses. Kickbacks were paid to the recruiters and some physicians, several of whom have been convicted and sentenced.

Medicare Fraud Strike Force Charges 107 Individuals for Approximately $452 Million in False Billing
According to court documents, the defendants allegedly participated in schemes to submit claims to Medicare for treatments that were medically unnecessary and oftentimes never provided. In many cases, court documents allege that patient recruiters, Medicare beneficiaries and other co-conspirators were paid cash kickbacks in return for supplying beneficiary information to providers, so that the providers could submit fraudulent billing to Medicare for services that were medically unnecessary or never provided. Collectively, the doctors, nurses, licensed medical professionals, health care company owners and others charged are accused of conspiring to submit a total of approximately $452 million in fraudulent billing.

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That last one--$452 million stolen. Wow. And these were only the top 3 cases on a general Google search. I don't think many people realize the sheer amount of waste--some may think of it only as a "political talking point". It's not. It's real, and only a cursory glance at the news confirms that fact.

Also note that these aren't scaggy lowlifes from the gutter...we're talking about doctors, nurses, licensed personnel, etc. They're scaggy lowlifes for sure--white collar scaggy lowlifes.

People that steal (essentially) from the old and disabled, from a service provided outof the generosity of the American people, ought to be put to hard labor for at least 10 years...if not longer.

posted by oldhometown on Jul 25, 2012 at 12:08:08 pm     #   1 person liked this

Legislation to subject the Federal Reserve's monetary policy to audits sailed through the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday although the measure is expected to die in the Democrat-controlled Senate.

"I don't know how anybody could be against transparency," Paul said during a debate on the floor on Tuesday, adding that Americans deserved more details of the Fed's bank rescue deals and support to foreign central banks.

"They're sick and tired of what happened in the bailout and where the wealthy got bailed out and the poor lost their jobs and they lost their homes," said Paul"

"It's time that we stood up to the Federal Reserve that right now acts like some kind of high, exalted priesthood, unaccountable to democracy," added Dennis Kucinich.

Paul's son, Republican Senator Rand Paul, has introduced a companion bill, but the Democrats who control the Senate do not intend to bring it to a vote, a senior Democratic aide said.

Some Democrats, generally less critical of the Fed, say such audits would undermine the Fed's independence and erode market confidence in the central bank.

"That will politicize the making of such policy, and I think it's a bad way to go," said Steny Hoyer, the number-two Democrat in the House.
_________________________________________________________

That's right Democrats fighting the money swapping banksters... well that is till it's time to put up or shut up. Keep believing they are fighting for you.

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 26, 2012 at 06:25:32 am     #  

They are all in bed with someone. Big oil, Big Tobaco, Big Bank, Big Pharma, Big lawyers, oh wait they are mostly lawyers aren't they, Big union. Its amazing that people still haven't woken up from the slumber and fired all their butts yet.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 26, 2012 at 09:54:36 am     #  

None of these fuckstains in Congress are doing anything.

Unfortunately, though, since Obama's first day, the GOP has said they wanted him to be a one-term President, so I've got to fault them for being petty little children instead of doing ANYTHING for the good of America.

Obama's done the compromise thing, and the GOP won't move a gnat's whisker.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 26, 2012 at 05:48:32 pm     #   2 people liked this

Obama has compromised on what exactly??

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 27, 2012 at 06:02:38 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 06:02:38 PM on Jul 27, 2012:

Obama has compromised on what exactly??

Okay, that really is enough Koch-sucking and chicken-fucking out of you. While it must be nice over there in Bizarro-verse, over here in Reality we don't do those things and generally we acknowledge the facts, instead of pretending to be ignorant for rhetorical points.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:29:50 am     #  

Where has he compromised? What legislation has he supported from the Repubes?

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:51:08 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 12:51:08 AM on Jul 28, 2012:

Where has he compromised? What legislation has he supported from the Repubes?

Stop framing the argument as you see fit. You just went from "where has Obama compromised?" open-endedly to specifying it has to be legislation originated by Republicans.

Are you a paid shill for the GOP or what?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 28, 2012 at 09:31:43 am     #  

Are you still blowing George Sorros?

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:27:52 pm     #  

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/compromise/

Hey everyone, watch as Lie-ny does some more Republican defense by saying none of this is actually Obama compromising, or that Obama compromise has to specifically be limited to legislation from the GOP.

Oh, and your obsession with Soros is starting to scare me. I don't understand it anyhow, I mean, the guy got rich playing the currency market and used the money to fuck over the Commies. Sounds like a Republican wet dream. Got some kind of latent jealousy issues there? Impotency problems that you couldn't win him over to the Republican fold?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:36:15 pm     #  

Who do you think funded Obama's entry into politics?

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 28, 2012 at 12:52:30 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 12:52:30 PM on Jul 28, 2012:

Who do you think funded Obama's entry into politics?

How about you stop changing the subject and get back to previously asked questions? You're acting very desperate to drag the topic off of Bain and Mittens.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 28, 2012 at 01:22:45 pm     #  

Oh ok bain is evil, lets undo everything it did. Lets take all of Romneys money and run the government off of it, its such a huge amount it should run the country for at least a month. In fact lets take all the evil rich peoples money, they dont deserve it after all they didn't make that happen.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 28, 2012 at 05:28:22 pm     #  

...it should run the country for at least a month.

Not with the Moonbats spending it, it won't. I don't think it would last a day before the Ayatollah Obama had it all spent and was asking for more.

posted by madjack on Jul 28, 2012 at 08:34:46 pm     #  

You too, fuckwit, how about getting back on topic instead of having to fire up the "moonbat" and "Ayatollah Obama LOL HE'S A MUSLIM IGNORE ROMNEY'S WEIRD MORMON SHIT" crap?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 28, 2012 at 10:07:00 pm     #  

He's not a muslim, he was in the good rev wrights church wasn't he? And besides I dont think communists believe in religion anyways.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 29, 2012 at 12:54:55 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 12:54:55 PM on Jul 29, 2012:

He's not a muslim, he was in the good rev wrights church wasn't he? And besides I dont think communists believe in religion anyways.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you Linecrosser, one of old Joe McCarthy's most fervent followers.

You sure bought into the shit introduced in the 50s to make everyone afraid of communism, and conflated it into socialism too.

Are you actually a sentient human being, or are you just an automaton that accepts programming from the Republican party?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 29, 2012 at 01:59:27 pm     #  

It's ok Cowardly, if people don't want to look at the blatant evidence of Obama surrounding himself with American-Capitolist hating people, then they can stick their own heads in the sand. The policies put forth by this administration are leading us down the path of socialism. You can admire Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Musolini, and the others if you wish. Just don't expect the rest of us in the free country to follow you to a Eurofacist Democratic Peoples Republic, controlled by and for the politicians and social elite. I am sure a lot of the German people were blinded by what Hitler offered too before it was too late. Please feel free to correct my grammar.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 29, 2012 at 07:10:24 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 07:10:24 PM on Jul 29, 2012:

It's ok Cowardly, if people don't want to look at the blatant evidence of Obama surrounding himself with American-Capitolist hating people, then they can stick their own heads in the sand. The policies put forth by this administration are leading us down the path of socialism. You can admire Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Musolini, and the others if you wish. Just don't expect the rest of us in the free country to follow you to a Eurofacist Democratic Peoples Republic, controlled by and for the politicians and social elite. I am sure a lot of the German people were blinded by what Hitler offered too before it was too late. Please feel free to correct my grammar.

Godwin! I win! Turn out the lights and shut the door on this thread, Liney's killed it.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 29, 2012 at 09:56:30 pm     #  

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 30, 2012 at 07:14:37 pm     #