OCCUPY CPAC 2012

Why is it that the radical lefts main goal in life seems to be to try to make sure that they control and limit the speech and actions of those who might disagree with them?

How often do you see conservative groups make it their priority to disrupt an event sponsored by liberal organizations featuring like minded speakers?

Wolfman, why are you seemingly proud of an action proposed to try to disrupt and limit the free speech of other people? I have no doubt that if someone tried that at an event you supported you would be howling here about the oppressive and hateful right wingers.

One more comment.

I don't particularly care for Brian Wilson. However your comment about "Herr" Wilson is remakable in its irony. The action you are backing smacks of the Nazi-type tactics that you are inferring when you give him the "Herr" title. You should be ashamed of yourself.

In Wolfman's world it's ok to label people "Herr" and moniker them with genocidal maniacs but he will post restless rants when Brian Wilson labels TPS students monkeys. Neither move our society forward.

Thats my problem with the whole "Progressive" movement, it's filled with smarmy hate, no better than neo-con straight hate.

Shamrock - we had a similar discussion last night as I'm planning to go to CPAC as well. However, I'm at a place down the street because the rooms at the event location were all booked. My hubby was concerned because I'll probably have to walk through this crowd of protesters - and that led to the question of why liberal groups don't just want to 'object' to the speech - they want to disrupt it and end it. But, as you said, while conservative groups might object to an event or speech, they don't want to stop it.

Sure...because conservatives never limit free speech.

Hell you have conservatives groups now protesting JP Penny’s because they have the nerve to hire a lesbian as spokesperson.

Look at the town hall protests, designed to make sure that Democrat representatives were shouted down by yelling seniors demanding awesome things “Keep the government out of my Medicare!” Every time a town hall failed, conservatives cheered.

Is that why you think the town halls "failed" Sensor? Because elected representatives had to answer questions and listen to the concerns of their constituents? And while we're at it, just how is that considered a protest? To me it sounds a lot like a function of representative government, that is unless you are trying to limit the speech of the people you've been elected to represent.

But you're right Sensor, there is absolutely no difference between some heated town hall meetings and what is being discussed/planned for the attendees and speakers at CPAC. </sarcasm>

Obama’s #Occupy Army Plans on Disrupting and Physically Assaulting Conservative Speakers at CPAC

Show me pictures of conservatives trying to stop people from entering a JC Penney's store because they hired a lesbian as their spokesperson. Show me any pickets at all regarding this matter.

Why would liberals care if a bunch of like-minded people got together and discussed their ideas? What about that, Wulf, bothers you so much? Where is that tolerance for ideas that is the hallmark of American liberalism?

So MrG the people who patronize JC Penny with their hard earned dollars should not be allowed to protest the company? So Progressives only allow free speech they agree with?

I don't patronize several corporation/business with my dollars because I don't agree with their policies. Does that make me a hate monger too? Isn't protest integral to democracy/will of the People?

50 years ago would you have said "I can't believe all those silly blacks camping out in sandwich shops because they can't use the same bathroom as whites"? I mean in reality it was just a bathroom right?

I may not agree with the policies of CPAC but I will strongly defend their right to hold a convention and state their concerns and policies.

Have we all forgotten we live in the USA with protections from our Constitution?

Politics does not run my life and I shop where they have merchandise I like and can afford. I like my neighbors and never ask about their politics. But a few didn't like that I had an Obama sign in 2008 and let me know about it. I still am friends with those neighbors.

Couple of things -

When you title something “Obama’s #Occupy Army Plans…” you pretty much lost the argument without any effort on my part.

The town hall protests were not about getting questions answered, it was about stopping representatives from speaking at all. No free speech for them, only for the idiots yelling “death panels”…

Conservative/bigots are gearing up for a boycott of JCPenny.
http://tinyurl.com/88nxxlg
Whether a picket line or a boycott, its conservatives trying to shut down JCPenny because of who they chose to represent them. You don’t see this as trying to quell JCPenny’s free speech? They want to boycott them? Go head, but don’t pretend that conservatives somehow own the high road.

As for CPAC, it’s the largest gathering of small minded people there is. I personally love it. It provides great insight into the conservative mind when they all get together and check their verbal filters at the door.

"Our liberties, which have made us great, are now destroying us." - Rev. Michel Faulkner, at the CPAC "Traditional Marriage and Society" panel.

“the candidate is going to be Mitt Romney and we’ll lose” – Ann Coulter

Now, CPAC has every right to get together for their annual masturbation session. People who oppose what they have to say and represent also have the right to gather.

I guess we will see what happens. I have no problem with CPAC gathering, and I have no problem with Occupy CPAC protesting the event, so long as either group does not try to physically stop people from attending or gathering. Personally I dont like either group.

The Occupy CPAC site states:
"Our Mission: Occupy CPAC. Create as much non-violent resistance as possible, and make this a conference the attendees will never forget"

So to me this does not really give any indication as to what there intention is. If they plan to "non-violently" block people from entering or try to enter the convention uninvited then I would still say they have passed the limits as to what is their protected right to protest and what is an attempt to quell the freedom of speech of someone else.

Sensor G: I worked in politics for many, many years. Not as an avocation or activist. I was paid for what I did. I saw politics up close and personal. And I saw about an equal amount of pea brains in both ideological camps.

The smallest of the pea brains were the ones that thought that their ideology had a monopoly on morality and good ideas. These are the people who take to blogs and message boards daily, pointing out the hypocrisy of the other side, like it was unique and confined to one ideology.

You know, stuff like you and Mr. Wulf do. . .

Couple of replies -

When you title something “Obama’s #Occupy Army Plans…” you pretty much lost the argument without any effort on my part.
- I wasn't expecting much effort from you anyway, just more deflection. Let's try again though, shall we? Here is similar article with a different title so as not to offend your supposed open-minded sensibilities.

Report: Occupy D.C. preparing to crash CPAC

The town hall protests were not about getting questions answered, it was about stopping representatives from speaking at all. No free speech for them, only for the idiots yelling “death panels”…
- I find it hard to acknowledge the legitimacy of your assessment seeing as you probably didn't have any problems with the protests that took place in the capitol buildings in Madison and Columbus.

Now, CPAC has every right to get together for their annual masturbation session. People who oppose what they have to say and represent also have the right to gather.
- Sure the people who oppose CPAC have the right to gather, but they don't have the right to be violent or disrupt the conference by pulling any of the crap that is being discussed.

RBancroft:

People like Sensor G, Mr. Wulf, and Anonymous Coward can only see one side of the equation. Their minds are closed. Their beliefs rigid. It's their ideology, right or wrong. They will defend the indefensible position because it belongs to the ideology to which they've sworn fealty.

I've spent many an hour arguing with the likes of them. It's an exercise in futility. Think happy thoughts and remember that most Americans are not so rigid and prejudiced. We're still a great country despite the wingnuts that are the Tea Party and the loose nuts that are the American radical left.

MMI - Get off your high horse. After Wolfman's original post you had a bunch of conservatives saying how much progressives/liberals hate free speech, not like conservatives who are “don’t want to stop it”…

I called bullshit with examples. Yes, my beliefs are ridged, not doubt about that, truth and logic having a funny way of reinforcing beliefs that way. If you think that not allowing conservative to get a free pass in their hypocrisy is somehow an indefensible position, then so be it, but don’t pretend for a minute that you have the high ground here and that you’re somehow haven’t sworn fealty to the wing nut cause…

Love some of your past quotes, no ideology here…
“The Toyota recall thing for acceleration was hatched by the Obama administration to clear the decks of competition for Government Motors.”

“Hate crimes against Christians are ok with Limedrops and the gang. Hate crimes perpetrated by anybody but Christians are ok with them too.”

“Sherrod Brown is a fraud the Democratic party is trying to perpetrate against the people of Ohio.

Mike DeWine is the genuine item. Ask him how he feels about an issue and he'll tell you. If you don't like it, he'll treat you with respect, but he won't tell you what you want to hear.”

My question to MaggieThurber:

Who is paying your way to CPAC? I know may of the WSPD staff will be in attendance.

Hey nutjob - what the hell business is it of yours who is paying her way?

Nope. No wing nut here. I'll be voting for Marcy Kaptur because, while I don't agree with her much on politics, she's the most sane person in the race.

Voted for Ted Strickland because Ken Blackwell, who used to be a good Kemp Republican on fiscal issues, climbed in bed with the evangelicals.

And I'm willing to admit I was entirely wrong about Sherrod Brown. While, like Kaptur, I don't agree with him much politically, he has conducted himself with a great deal of dignity and decorum and has been willing to reach across the aisle to work with Republicans on issues. While I'll probably not vote for him in 2012, Ohio could do much worse.

And I do stand by my comments about Mike DeWine. He's a good man and good public servant.

I also stand by my comments about Toyota. I've replaced enough MAP and MAF sensors in a variety of nameplates to know that this can and does happen to any vehicle made by any manufacturer. It was all too conveniently timed.

Might I point out that in pointing this out, you're doing EXACTLY THE SAME PEA-BRAINED THING YOU CLAIM SENSOR AND WULF DO?

Now write "I AM A DUMBASS" 50 times on the blackboard in front of the class.

ZOMG OBAMA'S SECRET MACHIAVELLIAN PLAN TO SABOTAGE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MAF AND MAP SENSORS IN TOYOTAS IN ORDER TO BENEFIT HIS UNION FRIENDS AT THE DOMESTIC AUTOMAKERS IS REVEALED!

I suppose Obama was responsible for the drought in Texas in order to fuck over all the Bush-lovers down there, and he also personally got Great Cthulhu to make a tsunami hit Japan, too.

/more like MMI's tinfoil hat kept falling off and shorting out the electronics in all the cars he changed the oil on at Walmart.

Wolf are you implying that it makes a difference who pays for Maggie Thurber to go to an event?

This thread has morphed quite a bit from your initial post which seemed to encourage one ideologicial group to discourage another group from having their event. Since a cogent argument can't be made for trying to deny someone from assembling and having free speech, the next best thing must be to question how someone is funding their own trip to participate?

What is your litmus test that would make it permissible to attend in an untainted manner and why would you care?

I don't understand how limiting someone else's right to assemble should make you so happy? I would think that you would support their right to speek freely without intimidation from ANY group.

You have an intense dislike of WSPD. Everyone who reads this forum knows that. Fine. It's certainly your right to feel that way and shout it from the rooftops. I fully support your right to do so. What I find disgusting however is when someone or some groups try to prevent other citizens from trying to peacefully assemble and speak.

In response to the other argument made in this thread that likened the disruption of CPAC to the town hall meetings, my thoughts are as follows:

The Town Hall Meetings were held so that elected officials could directly interact with and get feedback from their constituents. They received QUITE vocal negative feedback over their action regarding the Health Care bill. The dialogue, heated as it was however, was between elected officials who were acting acting within their official capacity at those meetings discussing a passionate issue with their constituents.

On the other hand, the CPAC is NOT an official government event. It is private citizens gathering together to discuss topics of their own choosing. The decision to crash, impede, disrupt and intimidate citizens from gathering privately at such an event is apples and oranges from speaking out and expressing your displeasure with your own elected representative over an official action they took regarding legislation.

Please forgive the ramble. Wolfman, while you are mentioned, these comments aren't meant as personal digs at you. I sincerely worry that the freedoms that we enjoy as individuals are severely threatened by the actions of mobs who try to shout down thoughts and ideas that differ from theirs. It looks to me as though that is what you are preaching with the intent of this thread.

I missed the connection between the Occupy movement and Obama/Democrats? My understanding is that it's made up primarily of Libertarians? And just people in general without jobs.

C'mon Coward. Everybody knows the weather controlling zeppelins were under the exclusive control of George Bush and Cthulu only torments the inhabitants of New England and Antarctica

shamrock44 it comes down to Citizens United and full disclosure of who or whom is funding and controlling our elections. All Americans should be very worried about this. Three links to look at.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-money-is-funding-more-election-ads/2012/02/03/gIQAfTxEuQ_story.html

http://video.pbs.org/video/2193953649

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-16/republicans-set-for-gains-in-u-s-governors-races-as-funding-sets-record.html

Katrina was a conspiracy to make Bush look bad... I mean, it's not as if he actually CHOSE TO BE GIVING MCCAIN BIRTHDAY CAKE AND JAMMING IN GUITAR IN CALIFORNIA when it hit, as opposed to being in the White House actually looking somewhat like a leader ready to take charge and do shit if needed.

I know I'm in good company when the radical left tells me I'm part of the right wing conspiracy and the Republicans call me a RINO for supporting people like DeWine, Voinovich, Strickland, and Kaptur.

700 labor and community activists turned out in force earlier this afternoon outside the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC)
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Was their chant:

Hey, Hey,

Ho, Ho

Free speech for others,

Has to go!

Best show money can buy!