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Toledo's Own Zimmermans

My brother who lives on White Street in East Toledo has a neighbor who has two sons who are causing some trouble in the neighborhood. The younger (at 13) has been kicked out of school, and gotten another teenager pregnant. The older was kicked out of school last year. They now participate in neighborhood "ultimate fighting" gatherings which their father sometimes videotapes, and puts on YouTube.

Sunday evening (my brother says between 7 and 8 PM) the younger boy went to the 1400 block of White Street, and punched a young black boy (I think he is 15). The parents of this boy and their other kids do not allow the kids out of their front yard so I don't see where he was the source of the trouble. The "hitter" participates in a local past-time where the "striker" tries to knock a victim unconscious with one punch. The black boy went down on the back of his head, and the "hitter's" brother (who is 17) began to kick him while he was down. The downed kid went into a seizure, and was taken to the hospital. The rumor is that he was in a coma.

The younger "hitter" was taken into police custody, but the older brother (who is on probation for arson)escaped to safety in another house in the neighborhood. My brother said that last night they came back to their father's house in a van with "East Side Family Center" on the side. He is a little pissed that his taxes pay to shuttle these miscreants back to the safety of their home.

He tried to contact the older kid's probation officer, but has had no luck so far. You would think this fighting would be a violation of his parole.

Since I have seen nothing in the Blade I am beginning to wonder if this might be some kind of April Fool's joke. My brother showed me a picture of the kid being put in a police car in handcuffs, but how could the two boys be out of trouble so quickly?

created by oldsendbrdy on Apr 03, 2012 at 11:10:28 am     News     Comments: 28

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The younger (at 13) has been kicked out of school, and gotten another teenager pregnant. The older was kicked out of school last year. They now participate in neighborhood "ultimate fighting" gatherings which their father sometimes videotapes, and puts on YouTube.

I can't even come up with the right words to express my thoughts on that. Eek.

posted by mom2 on Apr 03, 2012 at 01:05:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

(But, in regard to your other question, you'd be surprised at the things that don't make the news. Perhaps one of the TTers who has a scanner might have heard something? I know there are a few who listen to the police calls occasionally.)

posted by mom2 on Apr 03, 2012 at 01:06:05 pm     #  

Maybe direct the press to the YouTube videos?

posted by toledolen_ on Apr 03, 2012 at 01:30:59 pm     #  

weirdly i just read this...

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/03/Man-78-recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html

posted by toledolen_ on Apr 03, 2012 at 01:52:52 pm     #  

I'm not sure what your intent was with using "zimmerman". Are you trying out for a free lance position at the Blade?

posted by hockeyfan on Apr 03, 2012 at 02:20:00 pm     #   3 people liked this

toledolen_ posted at 01:52:52 PM on Apr 03, 2012:

weirdly i just read this...

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/03/Man-78-recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html

Goes to prove you can be as loving and non-violent as you want but violence will find you. It sounds like this man did his best to raise peaceful, respectful children and live his life on the path of peace but you can't pretend everyone walks that path.

This world was not built for good men.

posted by dbw8906 on Apr 03, 2012 at 02:49:50 pm     #  

Where is your brother when these "Ultimate Fighting" gatherings are occurring? Calling the police or secretly watching behind the curtains?

If there are youtube videos, it would seem that the father could be rung up on child abuse charges.

Or maybe I'm overreacting. Hell, we tolerate "Teen Mom" and "Toddlers and Tiaras" on television; maybe the next step in parenting-by-television is "Neighborhood Adolescent Ultimate Fighting".

If we can place wagers on which kid kicks the shit out of the others, that would be all the more awesome. Family bloodsport! Kumate! Chong Li-Chong Li-Chong Li!!!!

<end sarcasm...and Van Damme movie references...>

posted by oldhometown on Apr 03, 2012 at 03:25:14 pm     #  

Now, if you want a story more akin to what happened in Florida (i.e. someone attacked at least partially due to their race)...:

Man, 78, Recounts Assault By 6 Youths in E. Toledo

Mr. [Dallas] Watts was on his way home from the nearby Gas Express Mart at Starr Avenue and White Street about 4:45 p.m. Saturday when the boys approached him.

One pointed at Mr. Watts and said, "take him down," the victim recounted in an interview Monday.

Mr. Watts, carrying home two small bags of pork rinds to dole out as treats to his three dachshunds, looked at the youth and said, "Why you picking on me?" Mr. Watts recalled. "Remember Trayvon. Why you picking on me?"

Mr. Watts said one of the boys delivered a single blow to the back of his head during the incident Saturday, knocking the victim to the ground.

At one point, the victim recalled being lifted from the ground so one of the boys could "drop-kick" him in the chest.

One boy, he said, put his foot on the back of the victim's neck, with another shouting, "Kill him."

While Mr. Watts was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, "[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," according to a police report.

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Six teenagers vs. one 78 year-old going home. Nice.

posted by oldhometown on Apr 03, 2012 at 03:42:12 pm     #   1 person liked this

The comments on the Blade's website under this story are interesting. Some illiterate thug claiming to be the brother of one of these idiots is on there harassing anybody who comments.

posted by dell_diva on Apr 03, 2012 at 03:58:30 pm     #   1 person liked this

dell_diva posted at 03:58:30 PM on Apr 03, 2012:

The comments on the Blade's website under this story are interesting. Some illiterate thug claiming to be the brother of one of these idiots is on there harassing anybody who comments.

And people wonder why some are reluctant to comment with their real name/FB identity on the Blade website...

posted by mom2 on Apr 03, 2012 at 04:19:10 pm     #   3 people liked this

Keep your powder dry, folks---it's going to be a long, hot summer.

posted by Wulf on Apr 03, 2012 at 04:43:04 pm     #   2 people liked this

Gee, violence running rampant on the east side. Now there's a story I haven't heard. Love these 2nd and 3rd hand stories.

posted by hockeyfan on Apr 03, 2012 at 07:12:27 pm     #   3 people liked this

what do you mean, 2nd & 3rd hand stories?

also, yeah.. the comments on the blade site are kind of crazy. paul has gone and deleted all of the angry comments but yowza, what a shit storm!

Keep your powder dry, folks---it's going to be a long, hot summer.

sad but true

posted by upso on Apr 03, 2012 at 07:14:55 pm     #   1 person liked this

The higher the temperature, the lower the IQ and chaos with stabbings, shootings and let's throw in some more arson

posted by Hoops on Apr 03, 2012 at 07:27:13 pm     #  

Surprised, and equally not surprised that the story hasnít shown up on places like the Drudge and brought a little national spotlight to the 419.

posted by Danneskjold on Apr 03, 2012 at 07:56:33 pm     #  

1968's Summer & Fall, are empirically a time very reminiscent of now.
Get ready folks, it will be one loooong Hot Time till election time !
Economically, financially, and politically, a purge like enema is upon us all.

It is after all, the American way to blow itself up every 40 years or so...

posted by BigWillard on Apr 03, 2012 at 08:06:37 pm     #   1 person liked this

hockeyfan posted at 07:12:27 PM on Apr 03, 2012:

Gee, violence running rampant on the east side. Now there's a story I haven't heard. Love these 2nd and 3rd hand stories.

Comment by Offshore in an October 2007 Toledo Talk thread titled East Toledo teens randomly beat up 63-year-old man in a game of 'Round Up'

OMG, someone was jumped on the East Side! Wow, I bet thatís the first time thatís ever happened. Not!

posted by jr on Apr 03, 2012 at 08:15:50 pm     #  

Oldhometown, my brother saw one "event" occurring in an empty field across the street. Others he learned about from his sons (he saw some of the videos). He has contacted the police. They have come (usually after the "event"), and have not made much head-way.

I could not find these videos myself. Perhaps my brother will comment once he gets able to logon.

Hockeyfan, my intent with "Zimmerman" is that we have people in Toledo riled by an event in Florida when we have incidents here that need to be addressed. It could be that what happened here has nothing to do with race but rather an individual targeting a weaker person for the fun of it. But it would be rather tragic if that person dies because of a violent "game".

posted by oldsendbrdy on Apr 03, 2012 at 09:31:06 pm     #  

I so read this thread as "Toledo's own Zingerman's" and got all excited. Man I need to get up to Ann Arbor.

Carry on...

posted by WalleyeWinger on Apr 03, 2012 at 09:49:13 pm     #   3 people liked this

HAHA me too! :)

posted by upso on Apr 03, 2012 at 09:59:37 pm     #   1 person liked this

Three... and was pretty excited initially.

posted by Danneskjold on Apr 03, 2012 at 10:48:12 pm     #  

Initially, I thought this thread was going to discuss Toledo's version of the bizarre foods guy on the Travel Channel, but his name is spelled Zimmern.

posted by jr on Apr 03, 2012 at 10:59:48 pm     #  

It's on Drudge now.

:/

posted by toledolen_ on Apr 05, 2012 at 02:07:16 pm     #  

You can see the number of comments have surged since it hit Drudge.

I hesitate even typing this as I am not a writer and probably make more mistakes then most but I did not find the article very well written. I thought it was a little choppy and not a coherent, flowing story. If this happened as described it seems like a lot more detail could have been added. Just like the initial Trayvon story I am not jumping to conclusions either. Thatís for the courts to decide. If it did occur as described this should be classified and tried as a hate crime if the youths did indeed target the man because of his race.

posted by Danneskjold on Apr 05, 2012 at 04:17:20 pm     #  

On WTOL they are saying it was both white and black kids... so... take his story with a grain of salt? I dunno.

posted by toledolen_ on Apr 05, 2012 at 04:25:52 pm     #  

Turns out this guy was exaggerating a bit, although he was assaulted and robbed. Looks like an interesting character though.

posted by Ace_Face on Apr 07, 2012 at 02:37:45 pm     #  

And the question the canine-obsessed Blade never asked: why was this man feeding his dogs pork rinds?

posted by historymike on Apr 08, 2012 at 10:22:04 am     #   1 person liked this

My brother came over for dinner. He got hold of the parole officer (who was a little irked that my brother got his number). He says that if my brother can provide some evidence he will try to get their parole revoked. The judge had decided that what they did not warrant any time in a controlled facility.

posted by oldsendbrdy on Apr 08, 2012 at 10:06:53 pm     #