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Hollywood Casino and Advertising

Lately, the advertising for the Casino locally has picked up as the opening nears. That is expected as they want to fill the place right away.

This did raise a question with a few at my latest coffee meeting. Will people notice, be alarmed, be concerned, if there is aggressive advertising locally say one year from now? Bringing $$$ into the area was what was sold correct? where they spend their advertising dollars should tell where they are trying to get the $$$ from.

Just a thought. Not a political statement.

created by Molsonator on May 15, 2012 at 05:24:24 pm     Business     Comments: 46

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Sorry -- I don't follow you. What are you wondering?

posted by viola on May 15, 2012 at 06:16:56 pm     #  

The Toledo Casino is being advertised and promoted on Detroit media also.

posted by max on May 15, 2012 at 06:19:19 pm     #   1 person liked this

Thanks max - didn't know that. Viola - its just my ramblings. Ignore me.

posted by Molsonator on May 15, 2012 at 06:21:36 pm     #  

I'm hoping to visit the restaurant myself. I think I heard that there will be four (?) dining areas in the casino. Will this be a 24-hour operation? I've never been in a big casino; should be interesting to visit. I might even drop a few coins on slots.

posted by viola on May 15, 2012 at 06:26:56 pm     #  

I like gambling, but will probably wait at least a few weeks. I'm thinking opening weekend will be a little too crowded for my tastes.

posted by mom2 on May 15, 2012 at 06:46:28 pm     #  

I guess as the opening grows closer... a year from now, 5 years from now...will it have brought money into the area or will it have taken it out?

posted by Molsonator on May 15, 2012 at 07:18:50 pm     #  

I have seen billboards near Ann Arbor and on I69 near Auburn/Angola in Indiana.

posted by micah on May 15, 2012 at 10:49:26 pm     #  

You'd think Toledo would have fixed up the shitty parts of Miami and Front already, rather than leaving the ruts and potholes and that part that floods right by 75. Possibly as well as the exits into downtown off 75. How the FUCK can Toledo fail so hard at projecting a good image? Just imagine n00bs pulling into the casino, then wanting to go find a bar or restaurant downtown or go to Tony Packo's or the Mud Hens or something and encountering the sorry excuses for roads. Particularly off of 75 feeding into Collingwood or Erie St. You know, nice roads and signage, on the ball on the property owners nearby to look sharp, that sort of thing. Sounds like it'd be common sense to me, but then again all the right-wing Teabaggy nutjobs on this board repeat their standard-issue talking point that I'm mentally ill, so what do I know?

P.S. Rossford, you're just as bad too, though I haven't been into downtown to see if they fixed the RR crossing into the glass plant or anything else recently.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 15, 2012 at 11:33:58 pm     #  

Psychotherapy does work. AnonyC should check to see if his insurance would cover some sessions.

posted by Star56 on May 16, 2012 at 04:28:33 am     #  

While wondering about Tourette's Forum Syndrome, it occurred to me that the Detroit casinos have estimated that the Toledo casino will divert 5% of the Detroit casino business to Toledo.

Toledo is now a casino marketing battleground. As if election battleground wasn't enough. Good for the media, I suppose.

posted by justread on May 16, 2012 at 05:31:16 am     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 12:33:58 AM on May 16, 2012:

You'd think Toledo would have fixed up the shitty parts of Miami and Front already, rather than leaving the ruts and potholes and that part that floods right by 75. Possibly as well as the exits into downtown off 75. How the FUCK can Toledo fail so hard at projecting a good image? Just imagine n00bs pulling into the casino, then wanting to go find a bar or restaurant downtown or go to Tony Packo's or the Mud Hens or something and encountering the sorry excuses for roads. Particularly off of 75 feeding into Collingwood or Erie St. You know, nice roads and signage, on the ball on the property owners nearby to look sharp, that sort of thing. Sounds like it'd be common sense to me, but then again all the right-wing Teabaggy nutjobs on this board repeat their standard-issue talking point that I'm mentally ill, so what do I know?

P.S. Rossford, you're just as bad too, though I haven't been into downtown to see if they fixed the RR crossing into the glass plant or anything else recently.

I don't know the history behind this post, or who the right wing and left wing nut jobs are. So, taking just this post as my frame of reference... the nutjobs may be less than kin, but more than kind.

posted by justread on May 16, 2012 at 05:34:38 am     #  

Marketing area is basically 60 miles each direction

posted by Hoops on May 16, 2012 at 06:36:56 am     #  

What is your source Hoops? Just curious.

posted by Molsonator on May 16, 2012 at 06:43:49 am     #  

My question is whether this casino will draw a young-ish crowd or become a "house that Social Security checks built". We'll see if the young'ns of Toledo like any of the nightlife options there.

posted by oldhometown on May 16, 2012 at 07:18:26 am     #  

I have only been to Greektown in Detroit (so maybe others can speak to the crowd in the other Detroit casinos) but Greektown is a much older crowd. I would guess average age is over 40. That is if you take out the penny slot Blue Hairs.

posted by Molsonator on May 16, 2012 at 07:22:15 am     #  

May 13, 2012 Detroit Free Press story

When casinos open starting this month in four cities in Ohio, Detroit may come up a big loser. The already cash-strapped city could see a decline of up to $30 million a year in its casino tax revenues by 2015 as Ohio's casinos cannibalize the regional gaming market, a new analysis predicts.

Currently, MGM Grand Detroit, MotorCity Casino Hotel and Greektown Casino-Hotel get more than 80% of their revenue from visitors coming from within 150 miles of the city, including northern and central Ohio. Once the Ohio casinos open, particularly the one in Toledo, "Detroit's casinos will no longer be the obvious gaming choice for day-trippers," the McKinsey report said.

Since Detroit gets about 15% of its general fund revenue from casino taxes -- about $177 million of the $1.2-billion general fund budget for the year that ended last June 30 -- a $30-million hit would be a big loss.

Miklojcik said Detroit, by dint of rapidly declining revenues as its population shrank amid a recession and plummeting property tax values, didn't have the luxury of seeing gaming tax revenue as an extra income source.

Instead of enhancing the city budget, casino tax revenue quickly became a pillar of it, going to pay for basic services instead of being earmarked for special projects and services, as it has in other cities with casinos.

Miklojcik said he believes it's better that the casino tax money is run through the general fund, so that it props up basic services, such as public safety.

posted by jr on May 16, 2012 at 07:23:42 am     #  

so if I do the math they are saying they could lose up to 17% of there biz. ($30 mill of $177). Good info JR - Thanks.

posted by Molsonator on May 16, 2012 at 07:32:35 am     #  

The bus companies that take people to those casinos from Ohio will lose out too.

posted by oldhometown on May 16, 2012 at 07:38:41 am     #  

I expect to see the young people of Toledo ... working there.

I don't know a single person under 40 who is excited by the idea of having a casino in town, but my old-lady friends are really thrilled! :-)

I believe I saw a billboard on Route 24 near Napoleon (eastbound).

posted by viola on May 16, 2012 at 07:39:51 am     #  

My husband and I are under 40.
I'm not sure if "excited" is exactly the right word for it, but we're looking forward to going.

posted by mom2 on May 16, 2012 at 08:22:41 am     #  

Star56 posted at 05:28:33 AM on May 16, 2012:

Psychotherapy does work. AnonyC should check to see if his insurance would cover some sessions.

Again with the coordinated attacks claiming I'm mentally ill.

Has anyone else noticed this being repeated amongst several Repbulican/conservative trolls, I mean posters, here? It's almost like it's a centrally coordinated smear campaign. Oh wait, they'll now claim it's paranoia.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 16, 2012 at 08:36:14 am     #  

Can you post without the vulgarity or aggression? I am interested in your posts just not with the offensive language.

posted by Molsonator on May 16, 2012 at 08:40:22 am     #   2 people liked this

anonymouscoward, you are the troll in this thread. You're trying to derail this thread with off-topic tea stuff. You started it. Keep it in the political threads.

posted by jr on May 16, 2012 at 08:50:13 am     #   1 person liked this

AC - I've rarely (if ever) seen Star56 post something that isn't negative. He seems to have a particular disdain for the city of Toledo. I wouldn't worry too much about the comments.

Sure, I think you sound like a raving lunatic in half of your posts, but I suspect it may more of a calculated persona than mental illness. ;)

posted by mom2 on May 16, 2012 at 08:50:37 am     #   1 person liked this

Odd thing is, if "our" Star56 is the same as the Star56 who is a moderator of a national AV forum, he lives in the metro Detroit area.

While metro Detroit has some great suburbs and more to do than Toledo simply b/c of size of population, it also suffers from most of the same issues as the Toledo metro area - economy, politics/politicians, crime, etc.

posted by Foodie on May 16, 2012 at 09:23:57 am     #  

The reason why I posed my question of whether the casino will draw younger people is because it seems to me that there is almost nothing inside that would draw a younger person inside. Their homepage talks about "2000 slot machines and 60 gaming tables"...and one nightclub/lounge. I'm sorry, but trekking out there to dump money into slot machines (in my late 30's) is not exactly my idea of fun. I deal with younger people all the time and I don't think its their idea of fun either.

Is there an entertainment venue for a comedy/music show at this place to draw people in? Did I miss that somewhere?

Everything about this place screams "Blue Hair Palace" to me.

The Onion: This Casino Is So Glamorous!

I wasn't very good at the slot machines and the gambling, but I certainly had a wonderful time. It was worth every cent of the $340 I spent to be part of high society for an afternoon.

posted by oldhometown on May 16, 2012 at 09:33:56 am     #  

I could be wrong and don't feel like looking it up to double-check, but I was under the impression that "our" Star56 lives in Sylvania. (Sticks out in my mind, because I'm also a Sylvanian.)

If I recall correctly from another conversation, I believe he's also an instructor at Hillsdale College. (Sticks out in my mind, because I have ties to the Hillsdale area.)

I can agree with him on some things, but sometimes the constant Toledo bashing is a downer.

Not that I expect everyone to be all rainbows and sunshine, of course. But there's a difference between productive discussion about the city's flaws vs. being negative about everything Toledo-related.

posted by mom2 on May 16, 2012 at 09:42:34 am     #  

Is there an entertainment venue for a comedy/music show at this place to draw people in? Did I miss that somewhere?

There will be a stage set up and entertainment at least for the grand opening weekend. (I know a musician who is scheduled to play.)

It seems like it would be logical to keep entertainment scheduled beyond opening weekend. I don't have enough information one way or the other to know if that's the plan though.

posted by mom2 on May 16, 2012 at 09:50:00 am     #  

Remember what a pit Detroit was before it got not one, but 4 Casinos? So much better now. </sarcasm>

Iím under 40, but donít see myself going too often. Iím not going to waste ďdate nightĒ with my wife at loud casino. I may play the poker tables a now and again; a bunch of tournament players switching to cash games has some potential for some loose action.

posted by SensorG on May 16, 2012 at 09:55:31 am     #   2 people liked this

molsonator...The reps from the casino have spoke at 3 different civic groups I attend and all speak the same language. I did pose the question directly at one meeting. They are adding an outdoor entertainment deck overlooking the river which will not be complete until the end of June. The sports bar will now be called the "SCENE" and is very spacious and alot of large screeens for viewing. And of course, no clocks anywhere....typical of a casino. The tour I went on the other day was nice...but did not get to go behind the casino walls, only the gaming floor.

posted by Hoops on May 16, 2012 at 02:19:42 pm     #  

Thanks Hoops. I wonder what it would take to allow betting on games in Ohio? Now THAT would bring people in. Is it as simple as a vote? It would never happen - just thinking outside the box.

posted by Molsonator on May 16, 2012 at 03:07:21 pm     #  

I frequent the Detroit MGM casino about every 6-8 weeks. 99% of the time, it's on a Saturday night between 7 and midnight. I have been going pretty much since they opened. While there are seniors there, most of the crowd at that time is under 40. I know there is one lounge for sure there, and several other bar areas. The later it gets, the more young people there are coming in. A lot of the girls are dressed ultra sleazy. You also see a lot of middle aged people who look to be on a date (holding hands), as they pretty much wander around just checking out everything. They also play pop/rock music from the '80's-90's over the speaker system, which gives the whole place a "nightclub" feel. I have never been there during the day, or during the week, but I imagine the majority of the population then is over 65.....

posted by llz on May 17, 2012 at 11:55:39 am     #  

I like to gamble a little but I'm usually ready to leave about an hour or so after we get there. Now that we have one here in Toledo, I don't have to wait till everyone is done and then have a 45 min drive home. I can just walk right down the street and be home in about 5 min.

posted by lfrost2125 on May 17, 2012 at 12:47:55 pm     #  

Amazingly, Toledo started filling the potholes on Miami sometime after my complaint here.

AC GETS RESULTS!

posted by anonymouscoward on May 17, 2012 at 01:16:23 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 02:16:23 PM on May 17, 2012:

Amazingly, Toledo started filling the potholes on Miami sometime after my complaint here.

AC GETS RESULTS!

Is that your Mayoral campaign slogan? ;)

posted by mom2 on May 17, 2012 at 01:21:23 pm     #  

mom2 posted at 02:21:23 PM on May 17, 2012:
anonymouscoward posted at 02:16:23 PM on May 17, 2012:

Amazingly, Toledo started filling the potholes on Miami sometime after my complaint here.

AC GETS RESULTS!

Is that your Mayoral campaign slogan? ;)

No that would be "F*&^ you if you don't agree and vote for me or I'll beat you with a TeaTard".

posted by dbw8906 on May 17, 2012 at 01:29:06 pm     #   2 people liked this

Too bad you would have to use your real name to run for mayor, no one is gonna elect a Anonymous Coward.

posted by Linecrosser on May 17, 2012 at 01:29:29 pm     #   1 person liked this

Linecrosser posted at 02:29:29 PM on May 17, 2012:

Too bad you would have to use your real name to run for mayor, no one is gonna elect a Anonymous Coward.

No I don't.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 17, 2012 at 07:20:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

Ironically I just saw a commercial on Ch 11 about Gambling addiction.

posted by INeedCoffee on May 17, 2012 at 09:49:29 pm     #  

They knew his name AC it was Brewster.

posted by Linecrosser on May 17, 2012 at 11:46:42 pm     #  

My wife got a special invite via direct mail post card to a opening on the 24th from 1 to 7pm. Anyone else?

posted by Molsonator on May 18, 2012 at 08:00:25 pm     #  

Interesting spin from the Detroit Free Press concering the potential impact Toledo's Casino will have on the Detroit gaming industry and revenue.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120513/BUSINESS06/205130580/Ohio-s-new-casinos-could-cost-cash-strapped-Detroit-30-million-year-analysis-predicts

posted by Danneskjold on May 21, 2012 at 04:30:44 pm     #  

I just read an article for AARP that said there are 1,400 casinos in 40 states. If i had to guess I would say that is close to the saturation point.

posted by Molsonator on Oct 13, 2016 at 01:59:07 pm     #  

The slug in that URL:

"casino traps older patrons"

I wish that I could draw.

Oct 8, 2016 - Toledo Blade - Hollywood Casino Toledo revenue slumps

Apparently, Toledo's casino needs to change bait to attract more older patrons. Maybe switch to leg-hold traps. And no more catch-and-release and daily bag limits.

posted by jr on Oct 13, 2016 at 02:24:26 pm     #  

Change to a Matlock theme........

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 14, 2016 at 08:10:37 am     #   1 person liked this