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Toledo Man Reports Stabbing at Toledo Fireworks

A Toledo man reported to police that he was stabbed in East Toledo Wednesday night after watching the fireworks.

Christopher Dale, 21, was taken to Mercy St. Charles Hospital in Oregon. This morning, a hospital operator said there was no information about a patient by that name.

In a Toledo police report, Mr. Dale reportedly told officers he was at International Park about 11:30 p.m. when 20 to 30 juveniles who were all carrying blue bandanas, started fighting.

One of the juveniles reportedly “jumped” the victim, kicked and punched him, with the victim eventually being stabbed in the stomach, the report states.

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No...no...it isn't gang violence.

No...no...there's no problem with gangs in Toledo. After all, we've started a dialogue... and really given them the what for...

No...no...don't mention that "20 to 30 juveniles who were all carrying blue bandanas" are most likely part of the local Crips ...despite the evidence smacking you right in the face.

From Wikipedia:

...a blue bandanna was first worn by Crips founding member Buddha, as a part of his color-coordinated clothing of blue Levi's, a blue shirt, and dark blue suspenders. A blue bandanna was worn in tribute to Buddha after he was shot and killed on February 23, 1973, which eventually became the color of blue associated with Crips.

No...no...don't think it's strange that although we "know" who got stabbed, but the hospital he was taken to disavows any knowledge of treating a patient by that name.

God forbid we were actually honest with ourselves in assessing what is going on right in front of our eyes. It might cause hurt feelings and "tensions".

created by oldhometown on Jul 05, 2012 at 03:16:01 pm     News     Comments: 12

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A couple of things...

"at Toledo Fireworks" is wrong. The stabbing happened at International Park (The event was at Promenade). The fireworks themselves were done before 11:30.

"there was no information about a patient by that name" and "disavows any knowledge of treating a patient by that name" are two completely different statements. I am pretty sure that the hospital has no obligation to disclose patient information to the media. It might even violate the patient's confidentiality to confirm treatment.

The writer did all they could to imply what you have assumed, that the incident involves gang activity. Was the Blade writer supposed to call up the local Crip affiliate and see if they wanted to take responsibility for this? "Honesty" as you put it (that relies on assumption), and fact are two different things. I prefer my news to come in facts, with as little as reporter "spin" as possible.

posted by brainswell on Jul 05, 2012 at 03:30:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

Maybe we're splitting hairs here but Promenade park may hold the event, every single space in the area downtown has some number of people in it to watch the fireworks and even though they may stop at a certain time, some people stay or can't get out due to traffic for some time.
That all being said, it seems to me that if there was such a large group of people, er gang members, there, someone else could backup the story or even report it.
I'd be more inclined to believe him and a buddy got into a fight and one of them stabbed him. Later felt bad about it so made up a story to cover for him.

posted by hockeyfan on Jul 05, 2012 at 05:28:33 pm     #  

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6748453

I was trapped in the middle of the melee that happened at the Cherry St location. Waking back from the fireworks to catch a cab and heard "no f#ck you niggas" and then a full on wwf smackdown of about 20 yutes began fighting all around us. My wife and I gathered with some other people stuck in the maelstrom till we noticed a place for escape. My wife refused to go downtown for events after that, it was really the starting point for our exodus out of Toledo.

But I guess those of you who let the city off the hook for crime control and claim "personal responsibility" for neighborhoods in trouble would have told me I should have formed a citizen militia and started taking baseball bats to those yutes wearing colors who began creeping into my neighborhood right? I mean I didn't pay 10 years worth of taxes for police protection.

I came to the conclusion the city had no real plan to deal with it and my family deserved better. Why pay for things like parks downtown if I have to fight with my wife about going down too them for fear of being trapped in s gang war. I did the only thing elected officials will listen too and took my tax dollars elsewhere. It is worse than a lot of you even know or refuse to acknowledge. Mark my words in 5 years Slyvania will be the next battle ground, those housing projects by Wally World are spreading your way.

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 06, 2012 at 06:32:42 am     #  

I was trapped in the middle of the melee...

I'm glad you and yours made it out alright.

...those housing projects by Wally World are spreading your way.

Okay, you got me. What housing projects? I'm ignorant about this one - enlighten me a little here.

posted by madjack on Jul 06, 2012 at 12:32:08 pm     #  

Was the Blade writer supposed to call up the local Crip affiliate and see if they wanted to take responsibility for this? "Honesty" as you put it (that relies on assumption), and fact are two different things. I prefer my news to come in facts, with as little as reporter "spin" as possible.

You're right. I should not view empirical evidence and draw my own conclusions based on experience. How wrong. That's just "spin". I'm sure the blue bandanas on 20-30 youths were simply a coincidence. Or not:

Toledo Police Investigate Gang Violence After Fireworks

Several incidents happened in downtown Toledo just after the fireworks in Promenade Park.

Toledo Police say they responded to a shooting at Cherry and Seneca. Then a second shooting happened a short time later at Lagrange and Central. Both of the victims were shot in the leg, and neither suffered serious injuries. Police do say that both shootings were gang-related.

Police are also investigating the report of several assaults at International Park that were blamed on gang members. One woman tells News 11 she saw a man get jumped by gang members for wearing a blue shirt.

Some people we talked to say gangs are a problem. "They do come through with their colors and sometime there are 10 or 15 that come down the streets," said Ken Holly, a north Toledo resident. "People are afraid to move.

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"Honesty" did not refer to this one story. I'm referring to the practice of the media bullshitting us by ***not*** referring to phenomena in a certain way because they don't want to use direct language to describe certain activities going on around here. You even say the article "implys all that [I] have assumed". Why does it have to "imply" anything??? Just say it! "20-30 youths, all wearing gang colors, possibly of the Crips gang, stabbed a guy last night." What...because we say violence is gang related we might encourage more? Might drive down our thriving tourist trade? So the answer is just covering our eyes and telling ourselves it isn't happening?

It's the same thing when I hear the media talk about the "recession" because we (or they) can't bring ourselves to call our current economic time exactly what it is--a "depression". A recession historically lasts for about a year. We're on year 4 of extremely weak economic activity, guys--it's a depression. Depressions are long term recessions. But no....can't say that. Might spook the markets. Would be bad for elected leaders. Once again, honesty is buried in semantics because "recession" makes us feel better than "depression".

The Blade, in particular, makes stops-n-starts in regards to describing gang activity in this city. They run a big Sunday article talking about the new "gang" outreach and no tolerance yada yada yada....but when gang activity blatantly occurs, they have to obfuscate it and leave it to the reader to "imply" it was gang activity? Not to mention the fact that so many young black men (mostly) are turning up shot dead in the streets or carted into hospitals....and not one reporter or enterprising individual at the Blade can start linking a number of these stories together. Perhaps this is due to lack of manpower, but I would bet that in some circles, highlighting a growing gang problem would be seen as "talking down" the city.

So, the happy talk in our local rag continues...never mind those dead or maimed guys, packs of kids sporting colors walking 10 wide down the street, or how we've turned even more neighborhoods into fear prisons for women, children, and the elderly from lack of any discernible police strategies to combat these punks....let's talk about regulating the pedicabs downtown. And more dogs in suitcases. And the Seneca County Courthouse.

posted by oldhometown on Jul 06, 2012 at 12:45:26 pm     #  

madjack posted at 12:32:08 PM on Jul 06, 2012:

I was trapped in the middle of the melee...

I'm glad you and yours made it out alright.

...those housing projects by Wally World are spreading your way.

Okay, you got me. What housing projects? I'm ignorant about this one - enlighten me a little here.

I apologize as I should have said "Section 8 housing".

The Residenz at Sylvania (the Z makes is gangsta)
3306 Percentum Road, Sylvania, OH

Not to mention all the section 8 apartments at Reynolds and Hill and the Reynolds corner area full of sec ocho apartments. All within shooting distance of Toledo's yuppie safe-haven.

Look I'll admit I lost 60k on my investment and cashed in monies that should going to my retirement to get as far away from section 8 housing as I could possibly afford to do. But it could always creep my way if market prices stay low enough for slumlords to purchase homes in quality neighborhoods.

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 06, 2012 at 01:11:00 pm     #  

madjack posted at 12:32:08 PM on Jul 06, 2012:

I was trapped in the middle of the melee...

I'm glad you and yours made it out alright.

...those housing projects by Wally World are spreading your way.

Okay, you got me. What housing projects? I'm ignorant about this one - enlighten me a little here.

Could be a reference to the shooting on Blossman recently?

(Note: I did make a comment
in that discussion that I always forget those neighborhoods near WalMart are part of Sylvania...because they have Toledo mailing addresses, not calling the neighborhoods "projects.")

posted by mom2 on Jul 06, 2012 at 01:11:09 pm     #  

Oops...dbw posted while I was still typing...

The Residenz at Sylvania (the Z makes is gangsta)

LOL.

Those are right behind Giant Eagle - I have laughed at the name when they were doing the construction.

But I thought that was a senior citizen complex? (I seem to remember my husband and I laughing at the gangsta Z in "Residenz" seeming odd for a senior housing complex.)

posted by mom2 on Jul 06, 2012 at 01:14:35 pm     #  

Yes...the Residenz is an apartment complex for adults 55+. I thought I remembered seeing that somewhere.

http://www.mynewplace.com/apartment/the-residenz-at-sylvania-for-seniors-55-sylvania-oh-7ag186004171

My first impression of the name was the same as yours though, dbw. Who the heck came up with the idea of calling it "ResidenZ"? LOL

posted by mom2 on Jul 06, 2012 at 01:21:01 pm     #  

mom2 you are spot on, I was told by some friends of mine who worked on the project that is was section 8, didn't realize it was section 8 seniors.

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 06, 2012 at 01:40:42 pm     #  

Where do you think them Gangstas are raised, by their grandmothers 55+ because their mothers are out on the streets.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 07, 2012 at 12:26:51 am     #  

Blade Sues City of Toledo For Failing to Release Gang Map

PDF of Lawsuit

Gang map? Can't be...we don't have a gang problem...we have an ongoing dialogue....

posted by oldhometown on Jul 11, 2012 at 01:39:17 pm     #  

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