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Gang Maps based on police department information (with links)

A response to Blade sues city over gang territory map --Newspaper: Police Dept. defying Public Records Act
http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2012/07/12/Blade-sues-city-over-gang-territory-map.html

These links were found with via a google search---> "gang map" "police department"

[a personal blog item from 2009]
City of New Rochelle Police Department Gang Member Location Map
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http://www.newrochelletalk.com/node/1116

[Chicago Magazine item, 2012]
Gangs and Politicians: Map of Chicago Gangs
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http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-Map-of-Chicago-Gangs/
"According to information from the Chicago Police Department, which tracks gang boundaries, here are the five largest gangs and where they reign."

[Topeka-Capital Journal article,2011]
Gangs present, but not major problem
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http://cjonline.com/news/2011-05-27/gangs-present-not-major-problem
"COURTESY/TOPEKA POLICE DEPARTMENT --Click on the above map image to get an expanded view of the Topeka Police Department's assessment of which gangs are operating where in Topeka."

Los Angeles Gang Injunction Safety Zones2012
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http://atty.lacity.org/stellent/groups/electedofficials/@atty_contributor/documents/contributor_web_content/lacityp_009212.pdf
Related gang injunction facts at http://atty.lacity.org/stellent/groups/electedofficials/@atty_contributor/documents/contributor_web_content/lacityp_009212.pdf

created by 55pointplace on Jul 12, 2012 at 08:51:11 pm     Other     Comments: 22

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There is a real question whether the Toledo Police Department even has a "accurate" gang map to release.

posted by max on Jul 12, 2012 at 09:49:56 pm     #  

They should release this. Guess I've been a bit sheltered here but had no idea there were gangs in Toledo, or at least anything of real significance. Like you hear about Crips and Bloods in LA.

Don't understand why people would do something with their lives that does nothing beneficial to themself or those around them.

posted by INeedCoffee on Jul 12, 2012 at 10:30:42 pm     #  

INeedCoffee - I felt the same way. One of my friends is a teacher at one of the inner city Toledo schools and has had the gang task force come in and talk to her students. Not only are there several different gangs active in Toledo, each gang has separate groups based on age - the first groups starting in middle school. It's crazy to think about. There's a reason why Toledo is called Little Detroit...

posted by idinspired on Jul 12, 2012 at 10:51:53 pm     #  

"Guess I've been a bit sheltered here but had no idea there were gangs in Toledo ..."

INeedCoffee, you made a similar comment in May 2009:

"Never knew there was gang activity in Toledo."


Blasts from the past ... Looking through these posts, I see that the North, South, East, and West Toledo areas are mentioned, but that does not imply it's a widespread problem.


December 2003 thread Parental training for problem teens

In the Toledo area, parents of strong-willed or out-of-control adolescent children can get special training to manage teen behavior problems on the home front. Called the Parent Project, the training program teaches concrete identification, prevention, and intervention strategies to deal with some of the most destructive adolescent behaviors, such as poor school attendance and performance, alcohol and other drug use, gangs, runaways, and violence. Some courts mandate that parents and teens take Parent Project classes.


From Toledo Mayor Jack Ford's February 2004 State of the City speech

We increased the number of officers assigned to drug enforcement by adding a Bike Unit to patrol in high crime areas, especially those known for gang and drug activity. This year, I am directing Chief Navarre to devote even more resources to anti-drug activities. Much of the violent crime in Toledo is driven by drugs. The stench of drug dealing hangs over dog fighting, prostitution, arson, domestic violence, and, of course, murder.


From Mayor Ford's January 2005 State of the City speech

For a city to be livable our citizens must be safe. Our nationally accredited police and fire departments, led by Chief Mike Navarre and Chief Michael Bell, do just that. Crime continues to remain low in Toledo. We continue our fight against drugs by utilizing our highly effective Bike Unit. They patrol high crime areas, especially those known for gang and drug activity.


July 2005 thread about an alleged new North Toledo gang called the Dexter Boyz.

An August 2005 comment in the above thread points to a Toledo Free Press story about a North Toledo resident named Szych who had problems in his neighborhood. The Szych name should be familiar.


Post at ToledoNewsNow.com from the fall of 2005 ahead of the North Toledo Riot.

The National Socialist Movement out of Roanoke, VA released information this week expressing concerns about gang activity on Bronson Street in North Toledo.

The release gave this information, it said, "uniformed members of the National Socialist Movement will march through a gang ridden North Toledo neighborhood October 15th.

Toledo Police Chief Mike Navarre said in a news conference addressing the release that they are well aware of the gang problem in Toledo. He also described the complaints of gang activity in the Bronson Street area as "exaggerated."

Residents in that area have mixed opinions on whether gang activity exists there. Some, like Rosa Garcia, will tell you they do not have a problem with gangs, but it depends who you talk to about it. "It's all 'Bloods' mainly. That's what the Northside is. It's Bloods," said Ezra White. He said there are gangs all over Toledo, but he said the 'Bloods' rule the area of North Toledo, including Bronson.

It also depends on how you define a gang. "There may be four or five guys together, but nothing like a gang," said Carl Ervin, who owns a rental home on Bronson. He said it's been broken into four times in the last few months, but he believes it's probably young kids. He doesn't think it's part of an organized crime group.

Another Bronson area resident, who just wanted to be referred to as 'Linda' said some groups are known as gangs because they live on the same street, walk together and talk the same. According to her "they won't hurt a fly."

At the same time, there are residents along Bronson who say gangs are a serious problem. One woman, who didn't identify herself said "I can't talk. I could be the next target."


June 2006 post that points to a Toledo Blade story:

A proposed ordinance to make parents keep their children out of criminal activity or face jail time themselves stalled yesterday in a Toledo City Council committee over questions of how it would be enforced.

Toledo Police Chief Jack Smith said, "We've got so many kids involved in criminal activity we need to put more pressure on the ones who are responsible [for the children]."

But the ordinance faced skepticism from some council members during the public safety, law, and criminal justice committee hearing.

Under the proposed law, a parent or guardian would receive a letter - called a "gang youth crime alert notification" - informing them their child has been associating with people engaging in criminal activity.

Parents who "knowingly" allow their children to associate with criminals or engage in criminal activity after getting the notification would face a fourth-degree misdemeanor, with the potential for up to 30 days in jail.

An 18-year-old high school student, Tyree Page, endorsed the proposed law. He said he was attacked and beaten recently by gang members in the Lagrange area.

"Where are the parents? You do have a lot of parents in the urban area that don't care," Mr. Page said.
Chief Smith said the law would give police and courts the ability to force parents who are not monitoring their children to get professional help.


June 2006 post Gang Problem? Or is it a youth crime problem? - Excerpts from multiple sources that were listed in that post:

Finkbeiner, a former two-term mayor who took office again in January [2006], announced in December [2005] he wanted to replace Navarre in part because of the way Navarre handled a riot that erupted the day of a planned march by neo-Nazis. Finkbeiner said Navarre had not recognized the increasing number of gang members in the city.

[Toledo Police Chief Jack] Smith said Toledo has a youth crime problem and not a gang problem. Smith said the youth crimes are not being committed by organized gangs.

Smith says Carty was upset over a police study on how the gang issues should be handled.

... the chief's report and level of engagement in the mayor's campaign promise to do battle with street gangs was not to the mayor's satisfaction.

A former gang member turned Toledo youth leader says he's very concerned about the [gang] issue and wrote this manual to help the effort. Disagreements about how to tackle Toledo's gang problem sparked the fight between the mayor and chief [S]mith.

Lavaughn Toney is thinking about leaving Toledo after witnessing a vicious gang in her west Toledo neighborhood. Religious leader Stephen Ward says gang activity is on the rise in several Toledo neighborhoods.

Mayor Carty Finkbeiner has made the city's gang problem a top priority but a heated disagreement about how to fight gangs lead to the resignation of Chief Jack Smith. Smith's latest gang unit report was not in line with the mayor's views.

To get a copy of Ward's manual, call 419 377-3392. It details gang dress, symbols, and graffiti, why kids get involved with gangs, and how to get out of a gang.


July 2008 thread Toledo's Gang 'Crackdown'

July 2008 comment in the above thread that pointed to a WNWO story titled Is Toledo headed for gang-war? :

Three murders in the just a few days in Toledo have caused concern for Mayor Carty Finkbeiner and Toledo Police Chief Mike Navarre. The officials are fearing a gang-war in Toledo.

Toledo Police say they will crack down on gangs, but some East Toledo residents don't believe that will be enough.


May 2009 thread Gang Signs In South Toledo


Another May 2009 thread that points to a WTVG story:

We tried to ask the mayor questions about the safety of citizens and he didn't want to hear it. The mayor got angry with one of our reporters after she asked him to respond to citizens blaming the city for recent violent crimes.

"The mayor, man, I feel like he says everything is alright, but he's not living where we're living," says a former gang member. He says he's scared. "The youngest kids got guns around here and it's going to get worse, like I said. There ain't going to be those many cops to patrol."

We walked down alleys and the former gang member pointed out some messages from one gang to another. "My whole alley is tagged up with gang related stuff and it's all war stuff." He's glad the gang task force wasn't dismantled.


June 2009 thread Elderly couple violently burglarized in North Toledo that points to a WTOL story :

The Jaworskis have lived in this house for 59 years. They're saddened to see their neighborhood deteriorate.

And folks like the Jaworskis [feel] helpless as thugs and gangs take over this once proud Polish part of town.


April 2010 incident that I'm unsure was gang-related. These three posts were created on April 23, 2010:


April 2012 thread Toledo Violence Reduction Effort that points to a Blade story titled Violence across city must end, gangs told

Dozens of gang members heard the message over and over on Friday: The violence in Toledo will stop.

Some rolled their eyes when job training and access to education were offered.

A few put their heads in their hands as Toledo police officers showed mug shots of south-side gang members — the Cholos and Locs — who are serving time in state and federal prisons.

The initiative is intended to reduce gang-related shootings and homicides, which increased drastically in the past year.

posted by jr on Jul 13, 2012 at 01:08:33 am     #  

So, to be included on the "gang map", you have to submit some paperwork to the police notifying them that you have started/operate a gang and want to be recognized?

I can't believe that the stern warning from the mayor and police chief didn't take. Hmmmmmmmm. You think they should not be put in time out?

I just can't wait for the crime cams to go up all over the city. You know that crime will stop then because nothing stops crime like repeated reports of a hoodie wearing thug breaking the law.

Can we just hand out guns to everyone and after 11pm on weeknights, 1am on weekends, just start shooting?

posted by hockeyfan on Jul 13, 2012 at 02:53:19 am     #  

hockeyfan posted at 02:53:19 AM on Jul 13, 2012:

So, to be included on the "gang map", you have to submit some paperwork to the police notifying them that you have started/operate a gang and want to be recognized?

I can't believe that the stern warning from the mayor and police chief didn't take. Hmmmmmmmm. You think they should not be put in time out?

I just can't wait for the crime cams to go up all over the city. You know that crime will stop then because nothing stops crime like repeated reports of a hoodie wearing thug breaking the law.

Can we just hand out guns to everyone and after 11pm on weeknights, 1am on weekends, just start shooting?

This isn't Florida and we don't have the SYG crap, so shooting some kid who ran to the store for iced tea and Skittles will result in the shooter going to prison.

How about fixing the employment problem so these kids have something to do?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 13, 2012 at 07:04:01 am     #   1 person liked this

How about fixing the employment problem so these kids have something to do?

The last I looked, 'bangers were (generally) young men, usually with little formal education, who find familial protection, "love", and easy money from gang activity. It's a brotherhood, plain and simple.

I don't think most of these folks would be lining up either for a job at Minimum Wage burger-flipper, nor a starting salary position. Chump change compared to the "benjamin's" and "respect" afforded by the gang.

Even if there were a glut of jobs and desperation over who to fill them, employers would most likely say "these aren't the droids we're looking for." Past or active known association with violent or perceived-violent criminals is usually not a resume-enhancer for most jobs.

posted by oldhometown on Jul 13, 2012 at 09:11:45 am     #   5 people liked this

anonymouscoward posted at 07:04:01 AM on Jul 13, 2012:
hockeyfan posted at 02:53:19 AM on Jul 13, 2012:

So, to be included on the "gang map", you have to submit some paperwork to the police notifying them that you have started/operate a gang and want to be recognized?

I can't believe that the stern warning from the mayor and police chief didn't take. Hmmmmmmmm. You think they should not be put in time out?

I just can't wait for the crime cams to go up all over the city. You know that crime will stop then because nothing stops crime like repeated reports of a hoodie wearing thug breaking the law.

Can we just hand out guns to everyone and after 11pm on weeknights, 1am on weekends, just start shooting?

This isn't Florida and we don't have the SYG crap, so shooting some kid who ran to the store for iced tea and Skittles will result in the shooter going to prison.

How about fixing the employment problem so these kids have something to do?

AC maybe you could build them more pools while you are at it too.

How about we end the War on Drugs so we no longer give the lazy a black market to get rich or die trying. Or we reform a welfare program that has created an urban crime plantation that gives those born into it no hope.

But you know we could always have more midnight basketball camps right?

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 13, 2012 at 09:12:55 am     #  

What drugs do you want to legalize? And why?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 13, 2012 at 09:20:07 am     #  

Legalize schedule 1 hallucinogenic or psychedelic substances along with opiates and opiate derivatives. As to why, go read about prohibition in the 1920s.

Given that the U.S. has over six million people in prison, I think that legalizing, taxing and regulating drugs is a good beginning.

posted by madjack on Jul 13, 2012 at 10:12:03 am     #   1 person liked this

I don't care what you put into your body, I care what you do to mine and my property. If through the ingestion of any chemical you cause harm to someone, then prosecute them fully for that harm. Stop throwing people walking down the street in jail for having a bag of a plant in their pocket.

And for those of you who scream "but give them a job" would you have said the same for Capone and co a they murdered cops in the street. They were all just poor white trash working for the rich masters (ie Kennedys)

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 13, 2012 at 10:29:00 am     #   2 people liked this

Fixing the employment problem will not stop gangs and get kids working.

Please let me in on the secret of getting young thugs from making hundreds and thousands of dollars dealing in illegal activity to suddenly change to making a lousy $7/hour. If they don't care about themselves, family, cops, and jail, they surely aren't going to switch to the "straight and narrow".

BTY, the hoodie reference had nothing to do with Florida. It was in reference to the fact that those breaking the law aren't going to run up and show their I.D.s to the cameras. It's going to be hard to identify people on camara.

posted by hockeyfan on Jul 13, 2012 at 11:41:13 am     #  

Yeah, these kids really live the big life dealing drugs. Mmmhmm. They so totally pull down so much bank they can afford to move out of da hood.

Fucking stereotypes, how do they work?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 13, 2012 at 01:46:47 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 07:04:01 AM on Jul 13, 2012:
hockeyfan posted at 02:53:19 AM on Jul 13, 2012:

So, to be included on the "gang map", you have to submit some paperwork to the police notifying them that you have started/operate a gang and want to be recognized?

I can't believe that the stern warning from the mayor and police chief didn't take. Hmmmmmmmm. You think they should not be put in time out?

I just can't wait for the crime cams to go up all over the city. You know that crime will stop then because nothing stops crime like repeated reports of a hoodie wearing thug breaking the law.

Can we just hand out guns to everyone and after 11pm on weeknights, 1am on weekends, just start shooting?

This isn't Florida and we don't have the SYG crap, so shooting some kid who ran to the store for iced tea and Skittles will result in the shooter going to prison.

How about fixing the employment problem so these kids have something to do?

Go conduct a poll in the ghetto: Question 1: "What rights and priveleges do you enjoy as a citizen?" They will have a list as long as their arm. Then ask: "What responsibilities do you have as a citizen?" They will have no answer. You see... right around the time that Eisenhower retired, folks suddenly forgot to tell their kids that responsibility to themselves and others is the key to making all those neat rights and privileges work. You see my friend, the kids aren't simply bored and underemployed. They are selfish to the point of sociopathy, and they simply don't give a dam about anyone else. THIS is why gangs are a viable outlet for them. They don't expect to live long, they don't expect to succeed, they don't expect to make a contribution to the world around them. They gonna eat. They gonna get paid. They gonna get high, and they gonna take what's yours and kill you if they want. Don't need no reason. Ima eatin.

posted by justread on Jul 13, 2012 at 02:04:43 pm     #   5 people liked this

Yeah, these kids really live the big life dealing drugs. Mmmhmm. They so totally pull down so much bank they can afford to move out of da hood.

Fucking stereotypes, how do they work?

You've really crossed the line from annoyance to caricature. It isn't about moving out of "'da hood"--it's about controlling "'da hood" and making money. A lot of money.

National Crime Prevention Council: Gangs And Your Child

A gang is a group of (usually young) people who claim some territory (called turf) and use it to make money. Gangs make money through illegal activities such as drug trafficking and extortion.

...youth who feel that their economic futures are bleak will join gangs for money. Gangs are often seen as money makers—they deal in the highly profitable drug trade, which is often accompanied by violence.

How Stuff Works: How Street Gangs Work

Many gangs exist mainly as a moneymaking enterprise. By committing thefts and dealing drugs, gang members can make relatively large amounts of money. People who are faced with a lack of money may turn to crime if they can't earn enough with a legitimate job.

Indianapolis Recorder (the African-American targeted newspaper of Indianapolis): Gangs Influence Youth With Money and Power

Gangs of the past and gangs of today all have one thing in common all they think about is money, money, money.

The gangs come into neighborhoods and they have money and fancy cars and the struggling boys and girls lacking a solid father figure see these gangsters as heroes or role models.

“The gangsters show the kids all the money they are making and the kids want that too so they say ‘Hey I got a job for you,” then it goes down hill from there’ Ballard said.

A "legit job" isn't going to trump the money made or the familial aura of these gangs in low-income neighborhoods.

posted by oldhometown on Jul 13, 2012 at 04:12:45 pm     #   5 people liked this

And the truth about gangs is that it's a pyramid scheme. You want in, you start out so low on the totem pole you're below ground. You get the dangerous shit jobs. Maybe, just maybe, if you work hard enough and your co-workers (for lack of a better term) get some caps busted in their asses, you can move up to a less shitty job. Of course, kids in da hood, being, you know, kids, namely young men who want money and power due to the testosterone raging through their systems and the crap they see on TV, think they'll be pulling down lots of Gs in a short time. Not the case. And of course once you are in a gang you don't get out.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jul 13, 2012 at 04:47:34 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 01:46:47 PM on Jul 13, 2012:

Yeah, these kids really live the big life dealing drugs. Mmmhmm. They so totally pull down so much bank they can afford to move out of da hood.

Fucking stereotypes, how do they work?

they can't move out of the hood genius because they would lose their street cred and customer base.

posted by dbw8906 on Jul 13, 2012 at 04:49:12 pm     #   2 people liked this

There are a lot of pyramid schemes out there and some are even legal, if your the government that is.

posted by Linecrosser on Jul 13, 2012 at 07:01:09 pm     #  

Go conduct a poll in the ghetto: Question 1: "What rights and priveleges do you enjoy as a citizen?" They will have a list as long as their arm.

They might, but I doubt the list is even close to being accurate and I really don't think any of them can explain their rights and offer a practical application.

Fucking stereotypes, how do they work?

It's a learning and growth experience. The chief complaint among middle management illegal drug retailers is employee resistance to training. Once hired, the new recreational substance retail salesperson honestly believes that his average day will consist of the fantasy he watches on film and TV. He'll be carrying a machine-pistol and averaging three extended firefights a week. It's hard to dispel this notion and even harder to make him understand that he's being paid to make sure that all customers have a smooth transaction and get out of the hood with their merchandise. At the same time it is important to make the new salesperson understand that the police should be treated politely until the wrong question is asked, at which time the salesperson only needs to refuse to answer and walk away from the encounter. If arrested, the salesperson is to request a lawyer and not say another word.

The thing is, the employees don't listen.

So, once this map is published, I'm thinking of opening a company for employee training and orientation. Entrepreneurs, you see, may discover that's it's advantageous to send their employees away for a week's worth of training and attitude adjustment. I think I'll open in Arizona.

posted by madjack on Jul 14, 2012 at 10:23:35 am     #  

Aug 20, 2012 - Toledo Blade - Police plumb social media for guides to gangs in city

The Blade assembled a video montage of videos uploaded to the web by Toledo gangs. Access the Blade story to view the video (commercial at start).

From the Blade story:

The Internet has dozens of these videos -- not all music videos -- in which young men proclaim gang affiliations and flash guns and colors. "We do use it as an intelligence tool, no doubt about it," said Toledo police Sgt. Joe Heffernan.

Videos appear on the social media site from a number of groups that Toledo police have identified as gangs, including the Manor Boys, Cherry Woodz, Lil Heads, X Blocc, Stickney 33, and the Choloz.

In one video posted by X Blocc, a Crip affiliate, different men call out a Blood-affiliated gang, Stickney 33. X Blocc, in the video, claims Highland, Parkwood, and Glenwood avenues as its territory. Stickney 33 is, as its name suggests, based on Stickney Avenue in North Toledo.

Another video, posted by the Woodstocc and Parkside Crips -- who consider Woodstock Avenue and Parkside Boulevard to be home -- tells the men on Fernwood Avenue, "when I see you I'm knocking you out."

Fernwood Avenue is known as a Blood territory and home to the Lil Heads, also known as the Smith Park Boys. In a Lil Heads music video posted this spring, one rapper says, "[Forget] da crabs, dis Bloods." In gang culture, "crabs" is a derogatory term used by Bloods to describe Crips.

posted by jr on Aug 20, 2012 at 09:06:21 am     #  

"I got a whopper in my pocket, I ain't talkin' 'bout a burger,"

How can anyone possibly think they sound like a hard ass saying asinine crap like that?

posted by mom2 on Aug 20, 2012 at 09:12:41 am     #   2 people liked this

"And the truth about gangs is that it's a pyramid scheme. You want in, you start out so low on the totem pole you're below ground. You get the dangerous shit jobs." -- Anonymouscoward

Sounds like the mafia.

posted by wishiniwasfishin on Aug 20, 2012 at 09:19:40 am     #  

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