Google Fiber

Wait - what happened to the Google TiSP I have been waiting for?

Google Fiber????

Is that for people who want be "regular" with their online experience?

Google doesn't really have much choice. Net neutrality, the back bone of the internet, will be killed in a few years by the corporations and their paid congressmen. I’d be surprised if we don’t see Amazon doing the same thing in a couple of years.

The stats and rates are insane. up to 1 Gig upload and download for $70. $50 more gets you "Up to one gigabit upload & download speed • Full channel TV lineup • 2 year contract • No data caps
Nexus 7 tablet • TV Box • Storage Box • Network Box • 1TB Google Drive • $120/mo + taxes and fees". They are even offering for free internet service (after a $300 one time construction fee, which can be paid over 12 months) but the free service is up to 5mg download 1mg upload.

Thinking about moving to KC now.They always get to be the fun test market.

A lot of cities competed for the chance to be Google's test market and Kansas City won. It should definitely be a good game changer if it catches on. Fiber is definitely much of efficient and should make the major cable/phone companies start planning to compete. Verizon is the only one I know of doing any other sort of consumer fiber product (Fios).

Isn't U-Verse fiber?

I thought U-Verse was copper.

Google may have single handedly saved net neutrality.

Verizons FIOS is a lot more expensive than Google Fiber, and not even close to being as fast.FIOS (in limited areas) offers a max of up to 300 MBPS for $210 a month. Google Fiber is offering up to 1000 MBPS for $70, $120 if you want TV (which comes with a sload of equipment including an android tablet).

To me the first thing that caught my eye, and one of the reasons I think it will be a game changer is the no caps on data, which Buckeye has started doing here, and I hear other internet providers are doing the same.

Buckeye's caps are reasonable, even if the concept leaves a sour taste. I'm a heavy user and don't even come close to hitting it. But after the steam sell when you have to download multiple 7-14+gig files. It goes quickly.

Buckeye's shady behavior (hem hem) is a very big reason why I won't move into their monopolized service area.

wait... you won't move to the toledo area because of buckeye?

Since the choices for broadband in the area are, due to the monopolies granted by the governments and held onto by iron fists by the companies (who lobby the government for more monopolistic power and protection):

1) Buckeye (cable)
2) AT&T (DSL/wireless)
3) Verizon (wireless)

Buckeye has a track record of going to (possibly illegal) extremes if they don't like you, such as, oh, claiming that the damages from uncapped cable modems is so excessive that the FBI has to be involved... and then, oh, turning around and seizing domain names of critics of the Blocks. Reports from some people I trust also have them having done lots of Comcast-like throttling and filtering games in violation of Net Neutrality. Thank you but I prefer not having to worry about Buckeye fucking with my Internet because I posted something JRB doesn't like on ToledoTalk.

AT&T is playing games with cherry-picking and red-lining Uverse areas, I know of some areas where one house can get Uverse and the other can't get 6Mbit DSL.

AT&T and Verizon killed off unlimited data unless you are grandfathered and have rolled out caps on wireless.

Not unless you perhaps live in a new-build subdivision, because AT&T is going to squeeze every penny they can get out of the existing infrastructure.

Despite what Buckeye, AT&T, and Time Warner say about fiber in their ads, unless you personally know they came through your neighborhood and ran a fiber to your house and installed an Optical Network Terminal on your house, they are at best fiber to the node (FTTN) and copper from there on. Those big ugly fridge-sized boxes that in your neighborhood that are property-value-killing eyesores are the nodes.

Caps are not reasonable. It's in Buckeye's own monopolistic self-interest to implement them as one of the measures to keep people from shutting off cable TV. Wasn't it Comcast that got cited for instituting caps and then having streaming off of Netflix on Xbox count against the cap, but watching the same thing online via Comcast Xfinity on Xbox didn't count against the cap?

"Those big ugly fridge-sized boxes" are not nodes. The nodes at best are as big as a medium sized tackle box.

Bullshit:

https://www.google.com/search?q=AT%26T+VRAD&num=50&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video-ready_access_device

Hybrid Fiber Coax nodes for cable TV systems are smaller, true.

Your talking up Buckeye which is a HFC network hense the reference to nodes being smaller. By the way your google search link of photos are examples of power supplys that feed the nodes of the HFC networks.

Actually most of those pictures are telco devices but none the less power supplies

I believe the Google Image Search specifically says AT&T VRAD. That's not HFC, that's Uverse FTTN nodes. But don't let reality get in your way.

I'm sorry. Your first post on this thread seemed to reference your deep hatred for buckeye and the other monopolizing companies for which you so kindly listed. Wait there are choices? doesnt that mean there is no monopoly. So as I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, I didnt comment on yours. I only interjected the fact that a node from a HFC network, such as buckeye, is not as big as a fridge. Your comments are so erratic its difficult to keep up. Which then brings a question to mind. In which percieved reality do you actually live in?
Nevermind, It doesnt matter, I guess it does provide us with some entertainment

ONE cable company.
ONE landline phone company.

TWO wireless companies with over 57% of the market combined, which would have been more if AT&T got T-Mobile. Not to mention what percentage of the wireless spectrum they control.

You can get Internet from the company with the cable TV infrastructure monopoly, or from the company with the telephone infrastructure monopoly, or the two with the wireless infrastructure monopoly divided between them. If you happen to be one foot too far from AT&T's VRAD, you don't get high-speed DSL or TV services. Go to one of the other monopolies. Don't like Buckeye's caps and questionable practices? Tough noogies, go get a satellite dish.

Of course, the monopolies are GOVERNMENT GRANTED, go look up "cable franchise agreement"... that's right, city government signs off on the monopoly, and part of your bill is supposed to go for "public access" and "government access".

I'll say some dirty words here: MUNICIPAL FIBER. Since the city already has to dig up the streets for water/sewer, since they're already in charge of right-of-way for electric/cable/phone/gas, why not lay fiber everywhere as a public utility and do thing like we have for gas and electric "competition" now where someone owns the local infrastructure and you buy your supply from whomever you like?

Imagine the 1Gbit fiber to every home in Toledo, and over it you get your choice of packages from multiple suppliers, all that shows on your bill is a flat charge for infrastructure maintenance and upgrades that goes to the city utility. Equal access to customers. You get to choose if you want unfiltered raw internet from Google or pre-filtered Christian-safe interent from Jesus Communications or individual TV channels from a video-services company.

Do they still have any dial up companies with local Toledo access? Is it still considered a monopoly for a service if you have alternates? Wouldn't the fact that you can go with cable / phone / wireless mean that no one has a broadband monopoly?

Show me where all Internet access methods are created equal and I'll show you a lack of monopoly.

ONE company has a lock on the copper telephone pairs to your home.
ONE company has a lock on the copper coaxial wire to your home.
TWO companies have a virtual lock on wireless (3/4G).

The only improvement we've had in the past 20 years of monopoly service is that if you get pissed at Toledo Edison or Columbia Gas, you can buy your supply with someone else. You are, however, stuck paying them for the infrastructure, and if the infrastructure needs repair, you're still at their mercy.

Haha