Man arrested for killing Sandusky woman & her children had already killed before

Yikes.

He needs a bullet in his head.

^^How about three - just to be sure. Our justice system hard at work.

Great system we have eh?
Do any prosecutors ever do their damn jobs anymore? Seems like all they do is plea bargain. Strangle someone= involuntary manslaughter? What, he didn't MEAN to strangle her?
What crap. Execute the s.o.b.

prosecution = $$$$$$$$$
plea deal = $$

not an attorney but it is my impression that sometimes the prosecution offers a plea deal because their case is weak and they think the probability of guilty verdict is very low.

I believe Alan Mayberry was the elected prosecutor in Wood County at the time, and he is now a judge down there. His reputation was (and still is) one of being very stern. Without knowing more than I read in the papers, I doubt he backed away from a murder prosecution without a good reason.

I'd be inclined to agree with that.

According to today's updated Blade article, he was released from prison 7 months ago.

Also, the rape charge is unrelated to the murder case. Apparently he has yet another victim.

I hope they put him away for life and/or are able to get the death penalty. As long as that monster doesn't walk the streets again.

mom2

I'm against the death penalty but this guy should never see the light of day outside of prison.

I say they need to bring back public hanging. It's cheaper than housing him for the rest of his life on our dime.

I am 100% for the death penalty and am more than willing to dish it out myself to this P.O.S. upon conviction. My aim may be off a bit though, and he may suffer some. Would that bother anybody?

These crooks also know they will sit on Death Row for years before being put to death. I say put in an express lane.

This guy is awful and committed terrible crimes, not just once but three times. But we have certain rights in the constitution to a jury of our peers. Let it play out.

I know I'm in a small majority even in my family but I was brought up with ...thou shall not kill... It doesn't give an exception to anyone including the government.

This guy is awful and committed terrible crimes, not just once but three times. But we have certain rights in the constitution including a jury of our peers. Let it play out.

I know I'm in a small majority even in my family but I was brought up with ...thou shall not kill... It doesn't give an exception to anyone including the government.

Well, I'm not religious, so I have no problem putting this POS down.

Well I'm not religious either; but I agree with Jackie. I used to get disappointed in my fellow Americans when they would have these reactions to such horrific crimes. I couldn't understand how they could want to perpetuate the madness. But I think I understand this reaction to want revenge. Let's face it, there is no logical reason for the death penalty: it does not serve as a deterrent to murder, it does not bring solace to the survivors, it is not cost effective in any significant way and the process is rife with incompetence, negligence and prejudice. But human emotions are real and valid and in anger and pain we make statements that are abhorrent to Christian values and contrary to our Constitution. Which is why public policy should not be crafted on emotion.

It'snot about revenge to me as I have absolutly no personal connection to the victims. I couldn't point them out in a crown. For me it's about justice. If it also acts as a deterent, that's good too, but if it doesn't that's fine too. Justice will have been served.

He should have been put down like a mad dog after his first victim. Now 3 more people have died because of an inept justice system. The Blade is doing a nice job being politically correct with the photos used with the story.

http://www.norwalkreflector.com/content/murder-suspect-nabbed?similar

Ummm. while the Toledo Blade may indeed be poiltically correct, you linked the Norwalk Reflector, 6th Floor. If by "politically correct" you mean that the Blade is not publishing pictures of the killer, you are mistaken.

I say strangle the bastard.

Nah Historymike, that isn't it. Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth though.

Just so everyone realizes fully what this man previously did:

Officials testified that Miss Keckler of Fostoria was strangled, her hands then tied behind her back, her feet bound, and her naked body submerged face down in a bathtub.

Now, more people are dead because the first time around apparently wasn't gruesome enough...

It appears the victim knew her killer for the past few months. With all the technology available today, why wouldn't someone at least do a basic background check? Especially with 2 young kids at home.

OHT, I agree the justice system grossly failed not convicting and executing him after his first crime.

yeah that's what I wondered. Why would a mom be hanging out with someone like this?
This makes me think about the Nevaeh case...why was her mom dating known child molesters?

If you kindly would, please explain what you meant by "the Blade is doing a nice job being politically correct with the photos used with the story," 6th-Floor, and why if you were criticizing the Toledo Blade that you linked to a Norwalk Reflector. I am not seeing your point here. Thank you.

Progress 22

Thank you for your article. I am used to being the only one against the death penalty.

FYI - I'm not real religious either. I just had good parents and Sunday School teachers who taught me their versions of right and wrong.

I'd settle for the death penalty only being used in air tight cases.
For example, look at the Fort Hood murders. How many witnesses watched the perpetrator while he shot all his victims, dozens?
There is a case where the perp should have been executed and buried years ago.

The bible also says an eye for an eye. Let's string this guy up just high enough that his toes drag the ground. Wait till he passes out then let him down. After he regains consciousness, back up he goes. Repeat for a few hours then stop lowering him.

Damn Erin, that's quite a collection of homicidal ideations. You may want to talk to someone about that.
Jackie, I'm not sure where my anti-death penalty stand stems from. Twelve years of catholic school no doubt influenced me. But to read the posts of the "Christians" on this page, one could hardly credit the bible with giving me any sense of compassion.
Jeepmaker, this marks a first for us. I almost agree with you. I am tempted in such situations to rid the planet of such evil - and the case you cite is a great example. But read up a bit on the Innocence Project and you may come to realize that cases that some people think are "air tight" sometimes turn out not to be. And with the death penalty, there is no room for error.

In the Bible, god killed approximately 20 million people, and the devil about 10, so I wouldn't rely on that book for the moral high ground in a debate about killing.

Let's use Darwin's theory, we as a society have more power than a single individual and for the good of society meaning cost of keeping him housed and fed and various other expenses, along with chances of a repeat like this one, lets just kill killers. Give them a fair trial, let everything be heard from both sides and let a jury decide. People too stupid to not realize they will be killed for their crimes will be removed from society.

Ignorance is fun for some people. As in " I am so ignorant that I will lift a few words from the bible and make myself feel better" ignorance.

The "thou shalt not kill" has nothing to do with having a death penalty. How do I know? Because the same deity that provided this commandment directly commanded the death penalty for a list of offenses...in the same book of the bible!!

Some kids make fun of a prophet's bald head and he sends bears to rip them to shreds.

Now if kids can be violently executed for mocking a prophet do you really think that this deity minds if you execute a degenerate like this guy?

My aim may be off a bit though... Would that bother anybody?

Yeah, it would bother me. If you can't hit a one inch diameter target at ten feet with a modern rifle from a bench rest, then move over and let someone who knows how to shoot step up.

Of course if you were just blowing smoke, then load your piece and draw a bead on him.

Damn Erin, that's quite a collection of homicidal ideations. You may want to talk to someone about that.

He's not even close to the collection I could come up with. If you really think Erin has some kind of psychological problem that makes him a danger to society, then I suggest you get a prescription for some Xanax and start tonight, because I'm loose - and, like I say, his collection is amateurish and rather foolish. He'd allow the condemned to die right away. See?

From JohnnyMac: In the Bible, god killed approximately 20 million people...

They had it coming.

In spite of all that, I, too, am against the death penalty. I oppose capital punishment for any number of reasons, some religious and others secular.

1. Our criminal justice system is so screwed up that we as individuals have much more to fear from the justice system and the police than we do from criminals. Particularly violent criminals.
2. Our procedure for execution is equally screwed up. The method that actually makes sense is the firing squad. It's quick, easy, cost effective (compared to other methods) and requires no special or complex equipment. I'm betting that if I needed a firing squad who would furnish their own equipment, I could find one within 24 hours, and that includes backup shooters. Additionally, no one has ever survived a firing squad.
3. It's very tempting to execute the obvious murderers, but that's unwise because we have judges determining who is a candidate and who isn't, and having met and spoken with a few judges I can tell you that some of these people are not overly bright nor are they even-handed. So, everyone gets life in prison without parole.
4. Capital punishment has been around for several thousand years and it is not a deterrent to crime. Likewise, it doesn't make the survivors feel better vis-à-vis closure.
5. Again, the system is a long way from perfect. You're trying to apply a non-reversible solution using a part of the government - and this is a government that is incapable of allowing the United States economy to run with minimal regulation and so repair itself, and is equally (or perhaps more) incapable of protecting the Constitutional rights of its law abiding citizens.
6. 'an eye for an eye' will make the entire world blind and toothless.

By my aim may be off a bit I meant I may accidently kneecap him while aiming at his head. Then I may have to go all the way to Wal Mart to buy more ammo and stop at McDonalds for lunch while he is writhing in pain. Then whenI get back I may miss again and just hit him in the elbows. Another trip to the store for more ammo may be in order, and of course another snack. Then if he is still breathing when I get back if he's lucky my aim will have improved.

And Progress22, I would not hurt anyone unless they deserved it. And if they deserve it, I believe in doing it right.

I'm just making assumptions here Erin, but if you're married or seeing someone, I hope for their sake they never cheat on you.

Investigators are now saying that this sick fuck raped the 3 year old before killing her.

How can you people sit there and say that the death penalty is wrong in a case like this?

Easy. It isn't about this case and this case alone; it's about the death penalty being made available for use in the State of Ohio by a government that borders on incompetence, it's about innocent people being executed which has happened in the past, it's all about cruel and unusual punishment (10 or more years on death row is cruel and unusual), it's about the justice system refusing to analyze new evidence in a death sentence case or grant an appeal based on new DNA evidence, or most cases based on any kind of evidence for that matter.

It's all about not making law on a single case.

Morally, it's about us being better than we actually are, and being far and away better than them. Them being violent criminals, some of whom used to dress in bed sheets and pointy hats and tear around looking for outnumbered, unarmed law abiding citizens to terrorize and murder.

One noteworthy attorney who does a far better job of writing about this than I do is Jeff Gamso. You can read him over at Gamso - for the Defense. This is probably a good case for him to comment on.

I had not "heard" this, so I tried to find some reference to it. I was unable to. In fact, the most recent news items for this are several days old, and do not disclose this allegation.

Are you the source, and did the "investigators" say this to you?

Understand that I am not suggesting that he didn't do what you allege. I am just looking for the information.

The autopsy reports references the sexual crime against the 3 year old daughter. Makes me sick.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/sandusky/crime/triple-homicide/autopsy-report-released

justread - the Sandusky police did a press conference somewhere around noon today.

That's probably why you couldn't find a reference in online news stories yet - the stories probably hadn't been updated.

(I saw it info updated as breaking news on WTOL's Facebook feed during my lunch break, but couldn't find an actual news article about it at that point either.)

What a horrible, horrible situation though. :(

Thanks for the link. Usually the sandusky register comes up in searches, but didn't this time.

Makes me sick too. All of it.

Thanks Mom2 also. We were typing at the same time.

Cut his junk off, then hang him. Sick Bastard

Some of you bleeding heart liberal pussies need to find your nuts and guts and take off the rose colored glasses. There is evil in this world. Hugs and rainbows won't fix it. EVER. You have the right to your opinions, even if they are weak, stupid, and full of shit.

Erin My glasses are not rose colored though they do turn dark with the sun.

I second what Erin said!

The death penalty, as it exists in the U.S. today, is inefficient and ineffective. While someone who commits the acts alleged in this case would certainly deserve anything he got, that should not be the standard of punishment used in a civilized society. I suppose that sentiment makes me a bleeding heart liberal pussy according to Erin. On the other hand, I do own 5 guns, a bow, and a fairly large collection of knives. Is there a minimum amount of weaponry required to reach liberal pussy/conservative badass equilibrium?

"He needs a bullet in his head." - #

"My aim may be off a bit though, and he may suffer some." - #

"Let's string this guy up just high enough that his toes drag the ground. Wait till he passes out then let him down. After he regains consciousness, back up he goes. Repeat for a few hours then stop lowering him." - #

"By my aim may be off a bit I meant I may accidently kneecap him while aiming at his head. Then I may have to go all the way to Wal Mart to buy more ammo and stop at McDonalds for lunch while he is writhing in pain. Then when I get back I may miss again and just hit him in the elbows. Another trip to the store for more ammo may be in order, and of course another snack. Then if he is still breathing when I get back if he's lucky my aim will have improved." - #

Yep, evil exists in the world.

I believe an eye for an eye. You strangle a woman, strangle and rape a 3yr old, and strangle another baby you deserve to suffer. And suffer a lot. Doing the things I listed without cause is evil, I agree. Doing them for cause is justice.

Erin said, "The bible also says an eye for an eye."

Did you get your forms of justice from the teachings of Jesus Christ or was JC too much of a bleeding heart, liberal pussy?

I'm not religious at all. But I'm not anti religion either. BTW, how many people did GOD kill in the bible? Thousands. God may wants us to live good clean lifes, but he doesn't have a problem raining hell down upon those that deserve it either

In the bible, when god flooded the world, (you know, when Noah built the big floating zoo?) he killed about 20 million people. Did they all deserve it? Did all 20 million NOT live a good clean life? How many babies did god kill when he flooded the world?

How many Egyptian babies were killed by God when Pharoh rejected Moses?

God may wants us to live good clean lifes, but he doesn't have a problem raining hell down upon those that deserve it either

The Lord is omnipotent, omniscient - absolutely perfect. He never makes a mistake. From what little I've read, God did, in fact, have a "problem" - He loved all those people, but there was no other choice.

One real important difference - you, Erin, do not love everyone, even imperfectly. You wouldn't spare the accused any suffering even if you could, nor would you help the accused find any peace.

Another important difference - you are a long way from omniscient, yet on the basis of a series of news reports, you're willing to condemn the accused to death by slow torture. You're own knowledge isn't even second hand, but it's good enough for you to make a life and death decision.

From JohnnyMac: In the bible, when god flooded the world, (you know, when Noah built the big floating zoo?) he killed about 20 million people. Did they all deserve it?

Yes, they all deserved it.

Did all 20 million NOT live a good clean life?

No, they did not live a good, clean life. Not even close enough for government work.

How many babies did god kill when he flooded the world?

A lot.

Fortunately for us, we live in the time of the New Testament.

OK. Upon conviction I want him to die slowly and painfully. Better?

And he loved those people SOOOOOO much he had to kill them. Yet you also say he has never made a mistake. Perhaps giving humans free will was a mistake that cost millions pain and suffering? To me that sounds like a mistake.

It appears Sandusky has turned into a real pile of shit city.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2012/10/17/Man-charged-with-murder-hours-after-woman-he-lived-with-was-found-dead.html

Not positive this is the victim, but age, name, and location match. http://www.meetme.com/mz_golliver

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/crime/2679606

Waiting for TAHL to chime in. It's a sad situation.

From the comments in Sandusky Register, by Unabasho:
"There are two kinds of geographical snobs -
Those who abandoned their former communities rather than help fix the problems,
and those who had the foresight to be born in their superior locations"

Interesting!

I don't think Sandusky is a p-o-s city because of recent crimes, but I have to admit I get a creepy vibe when I'm driving around there. Something about the architecture or the blight --

If it wasn't for Cedar Point and the lakefront, it has a lot of traits like Lima. There are some bad areas.

Agree.

I hope this never happens to someone in your family or close to you. Because if it did, I will bet you will swallow the words that you just quoted, and you will seek justice more forcefully (known as vengeance). Even the old testament mentions safe cities for a man that kills a family member. The safe city was his protection from family justice.

Where did you come from??