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I don't know if anyone here cares about baseball, but it's worth noting that Miguel Cabrera is thisclose to wrapping up baseball's Triple Crown (batting average/home runs/runs batted in). Last game is tonight vs. the Kansas City Royals (8:10PM).

No one has completed a Triple Crown in the American League since 1967 (Carl Yastremski). It hasn't been done in the National League since 1937 (Joe Medwick). Obviously...if you care...this is genuine baseball history.

A pretty rare feat by any baseball player--and talk is he won't even be voted MVP (looking like Mike Trout of the LA Angels has the sabremetric-dorks vote). So just as a means of getting responses to this post:

1.) Does he sit out the game tonight to "preserve" his stats? Rather chickenshit, but could happen...

2.) This being baseball........how confident are you that some sort of HGH/'roids accusation or positive test won't come in the next year regarding Cabrera. I'm guessing not (since he has been a monster hitter before/after the big steroid era), but once burned, twice shy...

Anyhow, this seemed like something to talk about besides politics, the debate, more debates, etc. I'm looking for anything else at this point. You can even comment how the Lions are choking away the season and the Browns are....well....the Browns (i.e. it's another "paper sack over the head" kind of season)....

Forgive the rambling.

created by oldhometown on Oct 03, 2012 at 10:50:23 am     Sports     Comments: 25

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Miggy has already stated he wants to play again tonight in certain press articles. I can see him repeating last night and playing five innings, maybe even as a DH.Leyland will probably do whatever Miggy says he wants to do.
He is having an incredible season and he deserves the MVP as well.
I will be at Game #1 of the playoffs Saturday and can't wait for the post-season.

posted by Hoops on Oct 03, 2012 at 10:54:16 am     #  

My guess is he will play third base and bat twice. I like how he hung out with his little girl while the team celebrated with the champagne. Ernie Harwell would have been proud.

posted by Molsonator on Oct 03, 2012 at 10:59:28 am     #  

I hope he plays and goes 2 for 3 with a homer, a double and 3 ribbies.

posted by shamrock44 on Oct 03, 2012 at 11:13:07 am     #  

I am psyched. Really psyched.

Also: sabermetrics, shmabermetrics: Miggy deserves the MVP, too. After all, the true test of an MVP should be if the team gets to the postseason, and Mike Trout unfortunately failed in this aspect (yes, I know it is a 25-man roster).

posted by historymike on Oct 03, 2012 at 11:30:50 am     #  

Texas plays the early game today. If Hamilton doesn't hit a home run, Miggy probably will not play.

Hamilton also has to go 6-6 to pass Miggy in BA, and Mauer has to go 9-9 to pass him, both unlikely, so I don't really see him sitting as "preserving his stats." It is not like he is only one hit ahead of those guys.

posted by JohnnyMac on Oct 03, 2012 at 11:42:20 am     #   1 person liked this

No way does he sit out, nor should he. What I'd like to see is....a few ABs, then send in a defensive replacement in mid inning. The guy deserves a huge ovation.

This so called debate over who gets the MVP is laughable. "gotta make the playoffs" is always a silly argument (not bad to use as a tiebreaker)....gotta win the crown is sillier.....Trout's offensive numbers, while impressive, overall are actually more comparable to Fielder's, rather than Miggy's.

My blood boils when I hear these guys make a case for Trout. Miggy, triple crown or not, has put together a historical year. To not give him the MVP would be highway robbery of the highest order. .330/44/140...are you freakin' kidding me? This doesn't even show how clutch the guy is, which makes him that much more impressive, in my book.

Prediction: all this debate...and he will be the landslide MVP winner.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 03, 2012 at 11:46:19 am     #  

I'm all for stats but does anyone else think that they have been going overboard on a lot of this stuff lately? And not only in baseball, but football, basketball, etc. I think the rise and popularity of ESPN and fantasy sports has really amped up the want and need for some of the most ridiculous stats. I mean, do I really care that Joe Shlabotnik is hitting .289 against lefthanders when the pitcher adjusts his cup in a domed stadium at night vs. outside during the day?

That being said, I really think Miggy will get hosed out of the MVP. I hope not but there seems to be this wave of Mike Trout supporters that is louder than Cabrera supporters. Let's hope there are enough of the old school baseball writers voting for him and tradition rather than Trout and his WAR stats.

posted by daddyg on Oct 03, 2012 at 11:57:15 am     #  

hmmmm....WAR.....what is it good for?

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 03, 2012 at 12:07:49 pm     #  

Johnny MAC....Hamilton would have to go, like 37 for 37 to catch Miggy in BA. It's Trout and Mauer that are the only one's with a remote chance. But I know you knew that already.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 03, 2012 at 12:09:49 pm     #  

MLB.com: Miggy May Sit If Triple Crown Race Is Decided

Every Triple Crown winner since 1900.

1967 AL Carl Yastrzemski BOS .326, 44 HR, 121 RBI
1966 AL Frank Robinson BAL .316, 49 HR, 122 RBI
1956 AL Mickey Mantle NYY .353, 52 HR, 130 RBI
1947 AL Ted Williams BOS .343, 32 HR, 114 RBI
1942 AL Ted Williams BOS .356, 36 HR, 137 RBI
1937 NL Joe Medwick STL .374, 31 HR, 154 RBI
1934 AL Lou Gehrig NYY .363, 49 HR, 165 RBI
1933 AL Jimmie Foxx PHA .356, 48 HR, 163 RBI
1933 NL Chuck Klein PHI .368, 28 HR, 120 RBI
1925 NL Rogers Hornsby STL .403, 39 HR, 143 RBI
1922 NL Rogers Hornsby STL .401, 42 HR, 152 RBI
1909 AL Ty Cobb DET .377, 9 HR, 107 RBI
1901 AL Nap Lajoie PHA .426, 14 HR, 125 RBI

Every single one of these guys is in the Hall of Fame. The Triple Crown for 100 years has been a distinction of the best-of-the-best.

But please, baseball writers, vote for Joe Charbaneau...err...Mike Trout...as MVP. I'm sure Cabrera is a flash in the pan.

Not.

posted by oldhometown on Oct 03, 2012 at 12:29:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

jeezus....was Lou hittin off a tee in '34? Wow! (likewise to RH in '22 too!) Unbelievable numbers!

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 03, 2012 at 12:47:59 pm     #  

When you take your kids to Comerica and look at the statues....you can go ahead and tell them that two current Tigers (JV and Miggy) will both have statues out there someday.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 03, 2012 at 12:50:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

As far as the Cabrera/Trout debate goes.. I can see arguments for each sides.

It's probably easier for me to be objective, as I'm not a Tigers fan.

The Triple Crown is a huge accomplishment... asn't been done since Yaz in '67. But, the Triple Crown is also a bit of a luck thing when you really sit back and think about it. Statistically, Miggy has put together a better year this year than any other offensive player. Again, this year.

Consider this.. Carl Yastrzemski(in 1967), hit .326 with 44 homers and 121 RBIs and won the triple crown. In 2003, Pujols hit .359 with 43 home runs and 124 RBIs and only led the league in batting. Who had the better year, Yaz or Pujols? Pujols. It just so happens that the year Yaz won the TC, the statistics and luck broke his way and he came out on top in all 3 categories (well, he tied in HR with Killebrew that year.)

Luckily, Miggy caught a little bit of a break a couple of weeks ago when Hamilton missed 5 games due to a sinus infection. But that's baseball.. that's how things go.

In my opinion, if you take Miggy off of the Tigers... they don't win the division and don't make the playoffs If you take Trout off the Angels... they still finish behind the A's and Rangers and don't make the playoffs.

I'm not a big fan of the argument that your team has to make the playoffs in order to be the MVP. I think helping your team make the playoffs should be considered, but like I said above, how valuable are you to the team?

Here's why I'm against the argument that your team has to make the playoffs... the Angels actually have a better record than the Tigers!! So because of how the divisions are aligned, the Tigers get in and the Angels are out. Heck, both of the Wild Card teams are going to have better records than the Tigers. If you throw Detroit in the West, they finish ahead of the Mariners and behind the Rangers, A's, and Angels. 2nd to last. They don't make the playoffs. Again, that's how the game goes.. right, wrong, fair, or unfair.. that's how it is.

On the flip side... Trout has put together a historical year himself. No player in MLB history has scored 125 runs, had 40 stolen bases, and hit 30 homers in a season. No player. Ever. Since Trout was called up.. the Angels have the better record. Not to mention, Trout started the year in AAA. He's 21 freaking years old!

Trout is the better defender. Trout has more triples. He has a bigger impact on the game without a bat in his hand.

You can talk about how their respective supporting casts benefit each of them.. Fielder vs. Pujols... starting pitchers, etc.

You can also look at what each of the players have done since Aug. 1, with the Angels and Detroit Tigers scrambling for playoff position, Trout has hit .284 with 12 home runs. Cabrera has hit .343 with 19 home runs. The edge goes to Cabrera.

However, if you look at WAR.. Trout's is higher than Miggy's. But if you look at Trout's WAR as a percentage of the entire Angels team vs. Miggy's as a % of the Tigers, Cabrera actually comes out on top.

It's a great debate. In my mind, you can make a case for each player.. I don't think either side is wrong and I don't think it's a travesty if one is given the award over another player.

However, after all of this, in my opinion, I'd give the award to Cabrera. Without him, the Tigers would have been long gone a month or two ago and not in contention. He's performed better over the last 2 months of the season... when the heat and daily grind of the grueling schedule takes it's toll. Two great players.. two historic seasons. I love baseball.

On a side note....
I'm excited for the Rangers-A's game today at 3:30. Unfortunately, I'm at work.. so I need to find out a way to listen on the radio (worst-case scenario has me purchasing the MLB Game Day app for $3.99.) I'm a huge A's fan.. and what the team and Beane have managed to do this season is incredible. I'd prefer to avoid the 1 game wild card game and just win the division outright :)

posted by wahhutch9 on Oct 03, 2012 at 01:07:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

How crazy is this... in 1921, Babe Ruth hit .378 with 59 home runs, and knocked in 171 runs while also leading the AL with 177 runs and 145 walks. And didn't win the triple crown.

posted by wahhutch9 on Oct 03, 2012 at 01:09:40 pm     #  

BB: obviously I meant Trout, not Hamilton. My mistake.

posted by JohnnyMac on Oct 03, 2012 at 01:19:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

If Miggy takes the MVP and the Triple Crown, not only will the Tigers have teammates with back to back MVP awards, but also teammates with back to back Triple Crowns.

And though there isn't as much hype around the pitching Triple Crown, if it happens, it is still a pretty amazing feat.

posted by RBancroft on Oct 03, 2012 at 01:55:06 pm     #  

WAR is a very complex and probably inaccurate metric. It puts an awful lot of weight on fielding and base running. The reality is-fielding stats are very sloppy-i.e. Peralta is not one of the top 3 fielding shortstops in the A.L., yet his stats suggest that. Cabrera has been referred to as one of the smartest baserunners in the game, but because he doesn't steal bases, nothing can validate this. The metrics are all interesting, but there isn't one that really stands out as the definitive (except maybe WHIP). Trout's season, while spectacular, will end up being statistical noise for sabre metric geeks. In another year, he'd be MVP. Tigers would be 10 games below .500 if it weren't for Miggy. He singlehandedly gave them the lead in his at bats 12 times in September! Fielder, Austin Jackson are having career years surrounding him. The #2 hitter (Dirks and Infante mostly) are constantly getting stuff to hit. Cabrera is the epitome of an MVP this year.

posted by ahmahler on Oct 03, 2012 at 02:47:51 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 12:29:01 PM on Oct 03, 2012:

MLB.com: Miggy May Sit If Triple Crown Race Is Decided

Every Triple Crown winner since 1900.

1967 AL Carl Yastrzemski BOS .326, 44 HR, 121 RBI
1966 AL Frank Robinson BAL .316, 49 HR, 122 RBI

1956 AL Mickey Mantle NYY .353, 52 HR, 130 RBI

1947 AL Ted Williams BOS .343, 32 HR, 114 RBI

1942 AL Ted Williams BOS .356, 36 HR, 137 RBI

1937 NL Joe Medwick STL .374, 31 HR, 154 RBI

1934 AL Lou Gehrig NYY .363, 49 HR, 165 RBI

1933 AL Jimmie Foxx PHA .356, 48 HR, 163 RBI

1933 NL Chuck Klein PHI .368, 28 HR, 120 RBI

1925 NL Rogers Hornsby STL .403, 39 HR, 143 RBI

1922 NL Rogers Hornsby STL .401, 42 HR, 152 RBI

1909 AL Ty Cobb DET .377, 9 HR, 107 RBI

1901 AL Nap Lajoie PHA .426, 14 HR, 125 RBI

Every single one of these guys is in the Hall of Fame. The Triple Crown for 100 years has been a distinction of the best-of-the-best.

But please, baseball writers, vote for Joe Charbaneau...err...Mike Trout...as MVP. I'm sure Cabrera is a flash in the pan.

Not.

Winning the triple crown does not gaurantee you an MVP. Both years Ted Williams won the triple crown, he didn't win the MVP.

posted by toledobrad on Oct 03, 2012 at 02:48:54 pm     #  

Both years Ted Williams won the triple crown, he didn't win the MVP.

A couple of caveats that may have affected that vote.

1.) Williams was considered an asshole by the press.
2.) Williams was considered an asshole by the press (worth saying twice).

1942 MVP Voting

Joe Gordon (BA/HR/RBI...and just for Sabre-dorks, WAR)

.322/18/103/7.8

Ted Williams (BA/HR/RBI...and just for Sabre-dorks, WAR)

.356/36/137/10.2

1947 MVP Voting

3.) Ted Williams was still considered an asshole in 1947.
4.) Joe Dimaggio was considered a friggin' god (rightfully, but c'mon....look at the numbers):

Joe Dimaggio: .315/20/97/4.5
Ted Williams: .343/32/114/9.6

Dimaggio's numbers may have been hurt by the 460ft. left-center graveyard in old Yankee Stadium, but Williams wasn't helped as a lefty in Fenway (380ft right center fence rapidly going to 400 feet). He didn't wrap a lot around the pole at Fenway either (at least according to most historians).

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I don't think Miguel Cabrera has the same...ahem, personality conflicts ...with the media that killed Williams' deserved MVPs for those years.

posted by oldhometown on Oct 03, 2012 at 03:03:25 pm     #   2 people liked this

Between Miggy, Prince, Verlander and Sherzer, they have renewed my interest in baseball again. I love watching Miggy and Prince interact. They genuinely seem to be having a good time, and they should, baseball is after all, a game.

P.S. I still laugh every time I watch Valverde and his OCD antics on the mound.

posted by JeepMaker on Oct 03, 2012 at 05:31:34 pm     #  

Hamilton Struck out to end the 8th. Looking very good for home runs.

posted by Molsonator on Oct 03, 2012 at 06:43:19 pm     #  

In the pregame radio interview, I think Leyland said he would give Miguel Cabrera one at bat for the national audience, and then Miguel would be removed form the game.

posted by jr on Oct 03, 2012 at 07:56:58 pm     #  

Live updates in this Detroit Free Press story

Yankees outfielder Curtis Granderson, a former Tigers fan favorite, hit home run No. 42 tonight in his first at-bat vs. the Red Sox, putting him two behind Cabrera's 44. He has the rest of tonight's game, plus a possible tiebreaker game Thursday night vs. the Orioles (if the Yankees lose and Orioles win).

posted by jr on Oct 03, 2012 at 08:06:15 pm     #  

It's official!

ESPN: Miguel Cabrera wins Triple Crown

posted by oldhometown on Oct 03, 2012 at 10:24:19 pm     #  

So glad to see it happen in Detroit !

posted by dino on Oct 03, 2012 at 10:38:49 pm     #   1 person liked this

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