Vice Presidential Debate - Thu, Oct 11, 2012

Funny how conservatives have spent the last 4 years telling us how dumb Joe Biden is, but now as we approach the debate they’re making him out to be super genius. It should be a good debate.

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"Funny how conservatives have spent the last 4 years telling us how dumb Joe Biden is, but now as we approach the debate they’re making him out to be super genius. It should be a good debat"

I believe in the former and not the latter.He is a dumb azz!

I honestly do not believe that any person, from any party, including the POTUS, has ever, ever accused Joe Biden of being a "super-genius."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIPr23xyoZg

courtesy of a FB friend:

"I would kill if the stage was a little dark and "ladies and gentlemen, the vice president" then Billy Squire the Stroke starts blasting and Biden comes pimp walkin' out."

They? Tell me oh erudite litterateur and sometime sagacious one, just who are 'they' that ascribe great intellect to the White House resident Zero?

I'm waiting for Zero to commit one or more gaffes, because just as soon as he does Ryan will be on him like a Rottweiler with a brand new chew toy.

Sorry, madjack, but so far Ryan is just the pooch in the cage on top of Romney's car.

Ryan's closing statements: "Take it from me, I know Mitt Romney. I swear, he's really qualified!"

Are you sure you didn't mean underneath Romney's car?

I hoped for better from Ryan, however after watching the two of them I can honestly say that I do not want either one anywhere within ten miles of the oval office.

What Ryan failed to hammer home was that the US Ambassador Stevens was murdered by terrorists on Obama's watch. Biden couldn't defend the lack of protection of the U.S. Consulate.

"I hoped for better from Ryan..."

As one of the "undecideds" I thought Ryan held his own. Didn't make any huge gaffes. That said, the VP debates usually don't help people decide one way or the other. Don't know why they even havethem other than the candidates are just firming up their bases.

"What Ryan failed to hammer home was that the US Ambassador Stevens was murdered by terrorists on Obama's watch. Biden couldn't defend the lack of protection of the U.S. Consulate."

I agree with you on that, Madjack. Biden's remark was that they never knew the ambassador wanted more security. Wow. We just had hearings this week in which security at the ambassador's compound said he requested extra security and was denied by the state dept. Ryan should have followed up on that very bad gaffe by Biden.

I'm still undecided. One day I'm for the Dems, the next day it's the Republicans. Wish there was a third party. Where is Ross Perot when you need him?

Ryan was super. Biden a pompous ass

Biden made Carty look presidential.

Biden interrupted an unprepared (dare I say lying?) candidate. Romney interrupted Jim Lehrer.

Look, I'm no fan of President Obama / Biden, but if you think Ryan was "super", you're obviously a party shill.

Ryan was NOT "super", but Biden is/was a PRICK - which is likely a reflection of his boss's mandate and character

After Obama's performance last week, anybody from the administration that could stand vertical and put together a coherent thought with some passion behind it would look "good". Biden at least pulled that off.

I expect to see the same strategy from Obama next week in the second debate.

Who "won"? Don't have time to link to all the instant polls, but Michael Barone discusses several of them in his column today:

The instant polls: CNBC had it Ryan 56%-36%, CBS Biden 50%-31%, CNN Ryan 48%-44%, AP Ryan 51%-43%. Not nearly as one-sided as the instant responses to the first presidential debate in Denver. My sense: Biden pumped up partisan Democrats, but failed to win over the voters who are taking a serious look at Romney at a point when he is up in national polls.

I wish everyone's character was such that they'd act like a prick in the face of outright lies.

^get your lies/facts straight on Lybia...and he' still a prick

You mean Libya. Review some fact checking sites and see how Ryan fared.

It's not really worth the grief I suffer on here when I counter the lies the right-wing shills repeat all the time.

Having said that, Romney was a prick, a rude, interrupting prick, who repeatedly ran over his time, and Obama was late in realizing Romney wasn't going to play fair. Just like you can't have a proper debate with someone who decides to abandon all logic.

It's not really worth the grief I suffer on here when I counter the lies the right-wing shills repeat all the time.

Oh poor me! Here I sit alone at my keyboard, suffering the comments of the vaguely literate, the regurgitated cliches of the cut n' paste crew and the blasphemous canards formulated by the right wing nuts and flown in the face of all that is good and wholesome in this world.

Somehow I must find the strength of will to carry on my battle against the darkness of ignorance and stoically suffer the consequence of fighting the good fight, even though it reduces me to the ill-fitting role of pariah.

From AnonymousMartyr: Romney was a prick, a rude, interrupting prick, who repeatedly ran over his time, and Obama was late in realizing Romney wasn't going to play fair.

The Ayatollah Obama was late in realizing that Himself wasn't going to be able to use a teleprompter for the debate. He was also late is realizing that the debate actually started and He was being asked questions that Himself must answer - or lose badly. While He was pondering this unacceptable situation the show ended.

Back to the topic (a shot directed at AnonymousCoward who is truly a peerless hijacker) of the VP debate. Ryan could have done better, but I think he did pretty well. Ryan didn't let Biden's eye-rolling and derisive laughter get under his skin, which is a good thing.

Biden at least made a few valid points about health care and the WingNutz plan for fixing it, although Biden should have explained just where the problem with Medicare is and why the Wingnut plan wouldn't work. If he would have dropped the laughter and eye-rolling to one or two occurrences he might have done a lot better.

Ryan came across as a whiny schoolboy. Biden won it, hands down.

Ryan lost it for anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together (i.e. everyone except the ToledoTalk Teabaggers and the rest of the hardcore GOP voters) when he uttered the following phrase from his mouth:

"Different than this administration, we actually want to have big bipartisan agreements."

THIS FROM A REPUBLICAN, FROM THE PARTY WHOSE SENATE MINORITY LEADER OUTRIGHT SAID THAT THE REPUBLICAN GOAL WAS TO MAKE OBAMA A ONE-TERM PRESIDENT, FROM THE SAME PEOPLE WHO REFUSED TO CONCEDE ONE BIT ON THE BUDGET AND DEBT AND GOT THE NATION'S CREDIT RATING DROPPED BECAUSE OF IT. ROMNEY AND RYAN ARE SUDDENLY GOING TO BE ALL BIPARTISAN IF THEY ARE ELECTED? THIS IS THE BIGGEST STEAMING PILE OF BULLSHIT EVER AND ANYONE WHO SUDDENLY BUYS INTO REPUBLICAN BIPARTISANSHIP, ESPECIALLY AS IT IS PART OF THEIR MAGIC, UNSPECIFIED, DETAIL-FREE FISCAL PLAN, IS SO STUPID AS TO BE BENEATH CONTEMPT.

Every time Obama's reached across the aisle, the entire right wing shrank away as if Obama had a combination of Ebola, AIDS, swine flu, bird flu, and contagious cancer. And here is Ryan outright lying to the American people, making it out like Obama's NEVER EVER reached out, EVER, at all, to the GOP, and been willing to work with them, EVER.

This is the phrase that should be viewed as where Paul Ryan lost every rational, thinking moderate and independent vote.

AC don't give me that Obama basically told the republicans that he won and would do what ever they wanted to do and didn't require any input from them. Think he basically told McCain to shut up he didn't win and he was in charge now. I wouldn't cooperate with someone with his attitude either. What really should get your dander up is during the first 2 years he had everything and still couldn't get hings passed, democrats still control the Senate and NOTHING brought up by the republicans even see the floor for debate.

What does it matter what Mitch McConnell said? Unless I missed the memo, opposing political parties oppose each other over many things and seek to win the highest office in the land every 4 years. I know...it was just so darn "uncouth" of him to say it out loud and give Dems the vapors....

As for the President, leadership is the art of getting people to do what you want because they want to do it (I think Dwight Eisenhower said that). The President has not mastered this skill.

If any of those pandering vote-seekers in Congress thought Obama could get voters in their district/state to kick them out of office, they'd go along with his crap. Obviously, no one thinks that this President has that much influence. I'm not trying to inflame you AC--I'm just looking at reality.

If, by opposing and running against Obama and his policies (through whatever means), Republicans got a +63 in the House and +7 seats in the Senate in 2010, why would any Republican vote for anything this guy proposes? It doesn't hurt them at the ballot box! Obama campaigns for John Corzine in New Jersey--he loses. Obama campaigns against Scott Brown in Massachusetts (for Ted Kennedy's seat no less!) and Brown wins!. 2010 House elections--+63...and it doesn't look like that number is going to go down too much or turn over in this election. No coattails whatsoever in many parts of the country.

Spare me the rah-rah "good of the country" stuff--that's for children. I'm talking about raw, cold politics. Opposing the President simply does not have any electoral downside at this time. Until it does, expect the firewall to continue. It's really that simple.