Presidential Debate - Tue, Oct 16, 2012

Prediction – Obama will be much more aggressive and the right wing media will depict him as an “angry black man”…

I guess that is better than "woefully incompetent black man"

Considering Obama's last performance, anything above catatonic will be considered a "victory". Just watch...

Race baiting...DRINK!

"Prediction – Obama will be much more aggressive and the right wing media will depict him as an “angry black man”…"

I've listened to a LOT of "right wing radio" over the years - and still do - and I've NEVER heard that term used by any "right wing" host.

Is it really race baiting if it's true?

Prediction regardless of actual debate Obama will be declare winner by all news media other than FOX and talk radio.

In fairness Romney could shit himself on stage and Fox and talk radio would call it “bold” and declare him a winner.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-15-2012/democalypse-2012---v-p--debate--battle-for-the-historical-footnote---joe-biden

Each side will claim victory. The news will be something the moderator does.

Wow the daily show, using a comedy show for serious reporting on Biden? Really?

Ok. But, attack the argument The Daily Show made, not the fact it was on TDS. Comedy show (which both msnbc and fox are) or not, what's wrong with the argument made?

He respun the spin of the spin of the spin. I don't think Biden mopped the floor with Ryan, he did interrupt him constantly only seen him laugh a couple times, didn't appear condasending to me, seem slightly offended at times with what Ryan was say though. I think he had a decent debate did come over a little over aggressive at times, but that was what he was sent out there to do I think. Fox did spin it in favor of Ryan and I don't think Ryan won by any means, but Biden didn't win either, I would call it a draw with Biden having and edge but losing any advantage with slightly over aggressiveness.

Fair enough, but it seems like the point of TDS commentary was that news outlets were ignoring the substance and delighting in the facial expression of Biden. I think that portion of TDS is a fair criticism of coverage. I like how it highlighted the cheerleader mentality of Americans.

Depends on what you consider a fair criticism of coverage, would be nice and to be honest I don't watch TDS on a regular basis, if they spent a fair amount of criticism on the media bias of the major networks.

Prediction: Linecrosser and the other ToledoTalk Teabaggers will keep repeating all the GOP talking points, including how the liberal media are liberal... neatly ignoring the fact that said media are all publicly traded corporations beholden to the shareholders to make as much money as possible, and also ignoring how easy it is to stir up people by pushing hate and fear and how that drives viewership/listener numbers, because few people tune into "gee, wouldn't it be nice if everyone got along?"

Keep on f**king that chicken, guys.

From what I've seen, they do have a liberal slant. However, they have beaten up non-fox networks and Obama. Fair criticism is in regards to the media's concentration on laugh lines rather than content. That's honest and true.

Prediction AC will be extremely agitated and depressed if Obama loses in November.

Seems true of both parties.

All fact checking sites will continue to point out Romney/Ryan lies much more, but "conservatives" will ignore this for the spectacle. No specifics will be offered yet again, but rabid supporters will ignore this, as well.

Obama/Biden will be underwhelming and do a horrible job highlighting the successes of the past 4 years, despite all of the help plenty of economists, journalists, etc have given them.

Overall, nobody will change their minds aside from a few of those elusive idiots...err, "undecided" voters.

Here is a relevant question for everyone:

The debate and the Tigers/Yankees game are on TV at the same time. Which are you watching? How do you pick...?

Me? I got the debate on TV, muted, with captions on, and the Tigers game on WOHO (1470).

NOBODY BACKS SOHIO INTO A CORNER!!!!

Last time we had a Tigers game and a debate at the same time, I didn't watch the game until after the debate was over and JV threw a complete game shutout.

Needless to say, the game is not on in my house right now.

What do AK47's have to do with a two parent home?

After six innings, Tigers lead the Yankees 2-0, but Detroit had the bases loaded with only one out in the bottom of the sixth, but the inning ended with a double play.

Missed this: Join Blade to watch 2nd presidential debate tonight

How I feel watching the debate.

I missed the debate-watching party at PizzaPapalis. Darn!

Well, Romney won that one. There were a few isolated moments when Obama sounded pretty good, but then someone would bring up the past four years and that was the end of that.

i'm clicking around and all media is saying obama won

No, I'm not kidding. If I'd known far enough in advance I could have attended and watched the debate with all the big noises in Toledo, but I didn't know about it. What can I say? I'm not a big deal like you and Foodie. I'm just a peon.

I don't get it. I watched it at home.

Obama won every round...

All reports are that Romney lost...unless you were always planning on voting for Romney.

"Sure, every expert in the world claims my tax plan is impossible, but they're wrong because I said so."

The Libya moment was amusing.

Kool-aid? I admitted when Obama lost and I'll point out where he won. Too bad facts have a well known liberal bias.

I didn't watch the debate. However, CNN.com's headline states that "Obama edges Romney in bruising debate."

The article then states that President Obama "mostly stood his ground" against Romney. A CNN/International poll indicated that 46% of respondents thought President Obama won, but that was within the poll's margin of error.

It doesn't exactly sound like there was a decisive winner in this debate.

(Or at least less conclusive than I'd have guessed from looking at my Facebook feed.)

Slate.com states "If you had to score a winner, you'd give the night to the President - barely."

(I normally browse Slate & CNN every morning. Couldn't tell you what Fox News said, I never look there. Thought it was interesting that 2 fairly liberal media sources are being so lukewarm about declaring the President the victor though.)

I think both scored big points. Obama for reminding everyone that Romney's policies will take us back to the Bush years, and Romney for saying the country doesn't have to "settle" for a the stalemated economy. I am still undecided. Damn! One day I'm for Obama, the next for Romney. And I have been paying attention of this election for the last few months. I would like to hear what Obama plans on doing for his second term. Nothing from him other than criticizing Romney. And Romney's numbers don't add up on the tax cuts and cutting the debt. I wish we had a third party candidate.

CNN isn't liberal but I digress . The funniest of the after debate coverage was Fox’s “undecided voters”. The only thing the undecided panel of old white people was whether they were going to vote for Romney or Johnson.

Lyndon Johnson or Andrew Johnson?

Gary Johnson I believe

By all means, point out where he won, but saying that he won every round is pure kool-aid induced bullsh*t. But one only needs to look at the polling conducted right after the debate to see where Obama won...and where he didn't.

CBS: Obama-37%, Romney-30%, Tie-33% (MoE-4%)
CNN: Obama-46%, Romney-39% (MoE-4.5%)

In the same CNN poll, on the following issues,

Economy: Romney-58%, Obama-40%
Health Care: Romney-49%, Obama-46%
Taxes: Romney-51%, Obama-44%
Deficit: Romney-59%, Obama-36%

Too bad only your "facts" have a well know liberal bias.

The President "won" so big that on MSNBC's undecided voters panel, former Obama voters were commenting how they are going to vote for Romney....and how the debate was basically a draw.

<warning--pure sarcasm alert> Don't worry--I'm sure MSNBC really stacked the deck with Romney voters...because of that channel's well-known love of Romney from Chris Matthews to Ed Schultz to Rachel Maddow. All big Romney supporters. They're practically best buddies. <end sarcasm>

President will get a small bounce. Not enough. He needs Romney to stumble big in the 3rd debate......or......well, we are getting to "October surprise" season aren't we.....

Can you talk about Romney's plans without mentioning President Obama, RBancroft? Just curious, since you're so sore about your guy losing.

I more disappointed I can't get an AK47, you know, since I came from a two parent home.

I find it interesting that someone who opposes gay marriage, who opposes gay adoption would play the 'two parents' card.

Solution: adopt an AK-47.

Correction: adopt a gay AK-47.

Also interesting, that Romney doesn’t support equal pay for women but will support affirmative action for women if a binder full of previously overlooked and qualified women is shoved in his face.

It’s also great that Romney was flexible with his female staff so they could get home in time to cook dinner. If those moms miss too many dinners and pretty soon little Jonny is opening up with an AK 47 on people.

Obamas' problem is he's being overshadowed by the Obama of 2008. IMO, a sad situation.

I was glad that Mr. Obama had the chance to set the record straight so clearly last night. Too many people have suggested that he didn't try to complete the agenda that he promised to complete. That isn't fair.
As Mr. Obama clearly and repeatedly told us last night, it is not that he didn't try. It's that he tried and failed.

"CNN isn't liberal but I digress . The funniest of the after debate coverage was Fox’s “undecided voters”. The only thing the undecided panel of old white people was whether they were going to vote for Romney or Johnson."

There you go again bringing race into the fray.Why do you have so much hate and bias against old white people?Joe Biden is an old angry white guy,but you seem to love him.Do you only dislike old white Republicans?

Old white people have run this country into the ground and continue to try to ruin it for all young people.

"Old white people have run this country into the ground and continue to try to ruin it for all young people."

So why don't you tell Nancy Pelosi,Harry Reid and Joe Biden to retire?

Yeah, I was rolling on the floor at that point. Romney had a pile of qualified MEN, and CHOSE to go out and find WOMEN to put in those spots instead? Isn't that **GASP* AFFIRMATIVE ACTION*? Keeping someone just as or more qualified out of the spot in order to put a minority in? That's one of the Top Ten Crimes in Republican Eyes right there!

I'd like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to fuck off, if only to take away from your Republican Talking Points. OOOOGA BOOGA NANCY PELOSI AND HARRY REID BOOGA BOOGA.

Really? REALLY?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Axmd2QHvk
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/16/angry.black.man.obama/index.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/06/09/media-warns-obama-angry-black-man/

Study it out.

Old white people have run this country into the ground and continue to try to ruin it for all young people.

Oh, so that explains Detroit...all the old white people...

Quite a sweeping, bitter, generalized indictment of a whole group of people. And you're supposedly intellectual?

Got anymore gems about Jews? Asians? Eskimos?

Go home, race-baiter.

If you want to be that way about it...

Romney supporter in Lima, Ohio.

One person wears a dumb ass t-shirt and that indicts a whole group? Another sweeping generalization.

I guess caricatures are easier to understand for you, people being complex beings and all.

And if you want to talk t-shirts, let's go back to the 2008 Bros before Hoes t-shirt (Hillary Clinton--Yale educated Senator/Secretary of state--being the "Ho" in question) that isn't offensive at all to you or women in general right? After all, just a "good-natured jab" at that ho

Sweeping generalization?

Birtherism, dude. That and the number of idiots on your side who insist that Obama is a Muslim too.

Sure, the next time we are all together I'll be certain to do that. Brilliant comment.

Despite the fact that any intelligent person (not old or conservative) would realize I'm joking, Detroit is still infinitely better than Toledo.

One person wears a dumb ass t-shirt and that indicts a whole group? Another sweeping generalization

cough Obamaphone cough

"Detroit is still infinitely better than Toledo."

Infinitely better than Toledo? That would make an interesting topic for a new thread.

I've admittedly been making some overreaching statements in this thread.

On Toledo Talk, I don't think it would be a very interesting conversation. I imagine most people in Toledo will overwhelmingly prefer Toledo and people from Detroit don't even think about Toledo.

Not to be dismissive, of course. I like the Toledo metroparks.

Despite the fact that any intelligent person (not old or conservative) would realize I'm joking,

Given that your statement had no context (it was a single sentence post) and there was absolutely no other emoticon/picture/etc. to indicate your "joke", calling me non-intelligent over your lack of text communication skills is the true joke.

Real intellectual stuff you're coming up with here...

Detroit is still infinitely better than Toledo.

Umm...sure. I guess that's why Detroit lost hundreds of thousands of residents over the past decade and has miles of abandoned homes, $5,000 homes, and empty fields the city can't even patrol.....because its so "infinitely better."

I do like Ford Field and Comerica Park...so, there you go.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/17/romneys-son-wanted-to-punch-obama-during-second-debate/

Threats against the President, now. How charming. Too bad your dad is a liar, Tagg Romney.

http://twitchy.com/2012/10/14/death-threats-against-mitt-romney-proliferate/

http://twitchy.com/2012/10/13/more-obama-supporters-threaten-to-kill-romney-if-he-becomes-president/

Threats against Mitt Romney, continuing. How charming. And more than just "I'd like to take a swing at him."

Please keep pretending you're on the exclusive side of the angels. It's amusing.

And in answer to Sensor's COUGH COUGH, I'm at least man enough to admit the whole Obamaphone (actually Lifeline ) dustup was a sweeping generalization on the Republican's part. And rather small potatoes, given what is going on in the world.

I blame newspapers and J-schools.

April 2012 story New ASNE figures show percentage of minorities in newspaper newsrooms continues to decline

I think the U.S. minority population is a little greater than 12 percent.

October 2011 report [pdf file] showed the average age of newspaper reporters to be 41. And we know that anyone over the age of 34 is old. The brilliant leap of logic machine says newspaper newsrooms employ a lot of old white people. That's okay, since it's primarily old people who read newspapers.

2007 story Journalism school bosses overwhelmingly white, male

April 2012 story Pew: 17% of Americans get no news daily

"Despite the fact that any intelligent person (not old or conservative) would realize I'm joking, Detroit is still infinitely better than Toledo."

So if I were to joke around making that same statement about old black people you would be the first inline to call me a racist.As far as Detroit being infinitely better than Toledo,I guess that doesn't say too much about this Democratically controlled city.Also,wasn't Detroit considered the murder capital of the U.S. for many years?Now I believe Chicago has that honor.The city where Obama learned his political trade.

Somebody buy this guy a beer and tell him to relax. Or a book so he could educate himself.

Areas of abandoned homes in Detroit have more activity than downtown Toledo!

I don't care if you're a racist. Certainly not enough to comment on it.

Romney is from Michigan, home of Detroit, so he is definitely a murderer. Of course.

Areas of abandoned homes in Detroit have more activity than downtown Toledo!

This is so patently stupid it makes me frightened of what you actually "research".

...Or a book so he could educate himself.

I'm ABD in my field, completing a dissertation and a Ph.D. from a research university ranked in the Top 20 in the nation. I do this chatboard for fun and to take my mind off my topic for a while. You?

Romney is from Michigan, home of Detroit, so he is definitely a murderer. Of course.

Ah...I caught the sarcasm in this one (good job--text communication is becoming better, big guy!). However, it seems that the "Romney is a murderer" meme has already been used and abused...and not in a sarcastic way:

Joe Soptic--Romney killed my wife and he doesn't care
Obama Camp Won’t Disavow Ad Tying Romney to Woman’s Cancer Death

Somebody buy this guy a beer and tell him to relax.

I'm completely relaxed. Beer is good. Free beer is better. I'm game.

"Areas of abandoned homes in Detroit have more activity than downtown Toledo!"

That activity is probably drug dealing.LOL!

Another obvious joke that was missed. In any case, CBD & Midtown are at about 95% occupancy. Have you spent a fair amount of time in Detroit vs. Toledo? I have.

Hey, that's great you're ABD. I finished my Ph.D. 2 years ago. I work at a Research I. Maybe you'll join our ranks one day.

So what's your point again?

Hey, now, don't pretend it's hard to find drugs in Toledo!

Hey, that's great you're ABD. I finished my Ph.D. 2 years ago. I work at a Research I. Maybe you'll join our ranks one day.

Congrats. Maybe. Or I'll stay where I am to make a lot more money. Never know.