Romney now lying about GM to Toledoans

I heard it this morning and my reaction was similar to the GM spokesman.

I'm completely amazed that so many voters don't even care about reality anymore, as long as they get a chance to vote for one of the talking heads of the hydra that our two party system has become.

One more week and President Goofball and Moochella are no more.

GM has been moving production overseas for DECADES.

An accurate summary of the auto bailout is it took money away from successful businesses and handed it to businesses like GM, that failed because of their own poor decisions.

more accurately, large corporate interests lobbied congress hard (gave obscene amounts of money to buy off congressional members) to allow corporations to move manufacturing away from the USA to countries that did not have health, safety, environmental, human rights, and wage standards to maximize profits for the top share-holders and executives while screwing over the American middle class bringing on lower standard of living across the board, the loss of health care and retirement plans putting stress on state and local governments and contributing mightily to the bush recession/depression (along with deruglation of banking, investment, and insurance industries).

Sooooo GM did cut 14,000 - 15,000 jobs in 2009? When Obama was president? What's the problem with the ad exactly?

Ding. Best one sentence summary ever.

Obama took money that as was to be given to banks and used to restructure the auto companies. Funny people don't bitch about the banks at all...

Sooooo GM did cut 14,000 - 15,000 jobs in 2009? When Obama was president? What's the problem with the ad exactly?

That is not what was implied at all in the ad. I can easily say, Bush as elected and the Twin Towers in NYC were destroyed killing thousands or Bush as elected and Hurricane nearly destroyed New Orleans and hundreds died or Bush as elected and a tsunami swept over the SE Pacific killing hundreds of thousands.

All of which are accurate statements.

Obama also lies when he says he bailed out the auto industry.The auto industry is much more than G.M. and Chrysler.There are many more companies that make up or comprise the auto industry.When he says that he bailed out the auto industry he is lying.What did he do for Ford,Honda and Toyota?Are they not part of the auto industry.

Ford had plenty of cash on hand. If money went to Honda or Toyota, you'd be screaming about how American dollars bailed out the Japanese, regardless of the impact on their American production.

Ford, Honda, and Toyota often rely on the same suppliers as GM & Chrysler. When those suppliers die, do you think that would affect everyone else?

As long as the UAW gets paid, it's all ok.

Of course its ok, those are future DNC campaign funds.

One more week and we'll have you, Lie-ny, not-read, 6th_bore, and a whole host of other below-70 IQ types in here, furiously banging away at your keyboards, foaming at the mouth with drool flying everywhere, pounding out furtive posts linking to nutjob blogs with unsubstantiated claims of how the election was rigged, how buses full of dead people were delivered to voting centers by Obama himself at multiple points across this great nation at the exact same time, and how the weather was controlled by Obama and HAARP to reduce Republican turnout, how the liberal mainstream MSM media influenced the outcome of the election, how all the liberal judges threw out all the patriotic Republican attempts to keep the election from being rigged, etc. etc. etc.

oh assholecowardice, what will you do if you lose?

I'll be out being a capitalist. You have much more available time for trying to prove complete strangers wrong on the internet than I do. It's like 30th on my list. I'm just a good time manager.

You, though.... you really commit to this. It's important to you, and it shows.

I'm out supporting area business right now (Halloween party). But yeah, I feel strongly about not letting ignorant people screw up America, or letting the average Joe get screwed by the powerful on ANY side of the political spectrum.

You checked this thread and posted from a party?
Wow.

I'm okay with workers getting paid fairly, especially considering administrative salaries. I don't believe the bosses always have the workers' best interest in mind.

So you're a good time manager, just not a good multitasker?

I guess I am usually so busy being present in the moment when I am with actual living people that it doesn't occur to me to check and respond to what some stranger on the internet says.
For me, this forum is more of a two minute diversion over coffee between news. For others, it is a way of life.

I usually check into news when I'm bored. The party was slow and I was bored at that point. I could have spent my time being a vapid dumbass on Twitter, or checking up on George Takei's Facebook page, or playing Angry Birds. I'm SOOOOOO sorry if the fact that I pay attention to anything outside my own life and the happenings of friends and acquaintances means I have no life. I'm SOOOOOOOOOO sorry if the fact that I give enough of a damn about the direction of this nation to keep saying things about it on a forum means I have no life. I know too many people who are pissed off about how things are going yet they can't get off their asses to vote, and a lot of what they think is going on is just what some other friend of theirs reposted on Facebook or Twitter, or happened to hear on TV in between watching stupid reality shows.

Maybe my next post should be from the bathroom, so I dismiss two piles of shit at once, rather than one right now.

My take is that we're all wasting some of our time here. I'm not qualified to judge anyone else on how it works into their life.

I admire the commitment. And it does place the strength of the emotion from some folks into the proper context. When you care, it shows.

I know too many people who are pissed off about how things are going yet they can't get off their asses to vote, and a lot of what they think is going on is just what some other friend of theirs reposted on Facebook or Twitter, or happened to hear on TV in between watching stupid reality shows.

The media world, 2012. It's only become worse as people can access every single thing you mentioned via their dumbphones...

This is pretty much effing hilarious.

Obama is a terrible negotiator. He bails out Chrysler and now Chrysler wants to send all Jeep manufacturing to China--and will! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 1, 2012

@realdonaldtrump you are full of shit! — Ralph Gilles (@RalphGilles) November 1, 2012

Ralph Gilles -- Vice President Product Design Chrysler LLC, CEO SRT & SRT Motorsport.

Toledolen, every single executive at Chrysler including the board of directors could stand outside Toledo Jeep in a live press conference, one hand on a stack of Bibles, the other signing a statement under penalty of perjury, and state that they aren't closing Toledo Jeep, and Lie-ny, 6th_bore, and all their little Fox News watching friends would accuse them of lying, and Fox News wouldn't air the press conference.

It's sort of concerning that Cumulus is willing to let this ad continue to air, despite all the negative feedback. Then again, why would the truth matter? It's solely a business decision.

AC your putting words in my mouth, I never said they were closing Jeep Toledo. Now take your miniscule ego and vote for your dear leader.

Would you care to point out exactly where in this thread that I put those words in your mouth?

state that they aren't closing Toledo Jeep, and lie-ney,6th_bore, and all their little Fox News watching friends would accuse them of lying.

Doesn't that imply that I am saying they are closing Toledo Jeep?????????

I'd wager that this could be accomplished on each and every thread. If you can't twist what is actually written, you'll take it out of context and restate it for your purpose. That's a byproduct of needing to "win" every thread, rather than being willing to have a conversation.

Romney's words in that add ARE misleading but nothing he said wasn't true, they are going to build Jeeps in China, but the whole add inferred that those would be jobs lost to Americans and that isn't true.

And your friend Lie-tosser is sweet and pure and never steers the threads for his own purposes either, right un-read?

Oh AC are you gonna get a new Stormtrooper outfit for the new series of Star Wars movies?

Just because I know it irks you AC.
0bama lied and 4 men died.

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Let me quote "bdub77" from Fark.com:

Sooooooooooo, how about all the Republican fuck-ups, eh Lie-tosser?

You sure that embassy in Lebanon was under Reagan? Thought that was under Carter, along with the hostages. And did any Republican blame them on a youtube video?

NO THE NAVY SEALS GOT BIN LADEN ASSCHAP. They knew where he was for weeks and in his own words he struggled over the decision to do it.

CHECK THE DATE, DUMBASS!

Isn't the President also the Commander in Chief?

Which President was it that said he'd get Osama dead or alive, and then later said he wasn't a priority, and failed to deliver?

When someone asks if you miss Bush, do you start crying?

You act like its some sort of game and 0bama scored more points.

Yep your right, was indeed under Reagan, so what is your point? Bunch of hostages under Carter, your convienently failed to mention, but again what is your point? Unless your trying to say that under democrats terrorists are appeased and dont attack us.

You're the traitor claiming the President is an enemy and that he's not the lawful POTUS and that you're advocating insurrection against him. Nobody should care what you have to say, including "please don't rape me in the butt" when you get sent to gen pop.

"Unlawful order" is a concept that was raised by a veteran, who ought to be familiar with the context and the use. Nobody said anything about "unlawful president." He was elected and must be voted out. I have never read anybody on this forum suggest that some kind or insurrection should be launched. No conservative would advocate violence in favor of due process. This is why conservatives never took over parks (and raped people) and lived like pigs in a useless, meaningless, attempt to force change outside of due process by using "occupation" to be annoying.

Oh yeah.... I forgot that part about you will invent what you need to try to "win" an internet argument.

Hmm maybe AC will like it in the butt when he goes to jail for filing a false report.