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Brian Wilson OUT at WSPD

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posted by shamrock44 on Nov 12, 2012 at 01:25:30 pm     #  

If that's the case then JR Block won't need an old Playboy or Penthouse for his inspiration tonight.

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 12, 2012 at 01:28:56 pm     #   1 person liked this

Source: http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/112450/brian-wilson-exits-wspd-a-toledo

Setting politics aside, I just found his show dull and uninteresting. He tended to fill his show with guests whose views mirrored his own, and more often then not Wilson exhibited a superficial understanding of national and world politics. Given the fact that he has been broadcasting from Virginia the past several years, it will be good to get an actual local host.

At least Fred LeFebvre knows what the hell he is talking about when he discusses local politics, and Fred is 1.5 million times funnier.

^^ The above is a scientific assessment; I measured this using a Laugh-o-Meter.

posted by historymike on Nov 12, 2012 at 01:56:03 pm     #  

Thanks the heavens he’s gone. The guy just wasn’t very good.

Mike can you please post the link to the laugh-o-meter? I’ve never seen Lefebvre score over a 1.2 million on the Wilson scale.

posted by SensorG on Nov 12, 2012 at 02:23:38 pm     #   1 person liked this

Maybe Wilson spent too much time pushing Gary Johnson and not enough pushing the guy who’s old company owns Clear Channel.

posted by SensorG on Nov 12, 2012 at 02:26:43 pm     #  

His voice just irritated the heck out of me.

For a professional broadcaster I couldn't belive how much he had to "um" and ah" in every sentence.

Superficial on my part I guess, but listening to him stammer his way through each sentence was like nails on a blackboard to me.

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 12, 2012 at 03:00:51 pm     #  

Good riddance!! The fact that that guy has a radio career baffles me.

posted by dell_diva on Nov 12, 2012 at 03:20:48 pm     #  

Woohoo! Maybe I can stop listening to Detroit radio. Now if only his pathetic mini-me in the morning will go with him

posted by taliesin52 on Nov 12, 2012 at 06:21:31 pm     #  

Old Foghorn Leghorn is gone----oh well.

posted by Wulf on Nov 12, 2012 at 06:27:14 pm     #  

I'll be interested to see if they make Fred the PD. It would be nice if he actually developed his own platform instead of pushing whatever is dictated from those above him. Of course, he will still have to bash all things Democrat since the majority of the drones who listen to WSPD would revolt otherwise.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Nov 12, 2012 at 07:46:59 pm     #   3 people liked this

MoreThanRhetoric posted at 06:46:59 PM on Nov 12, 2012:

I'll be interested to see if they make Fred the PD. It would be nice if he actually developed his own platform instead of pushing whatever is dictated from those above him. Of course, he will still have to bash all things Democrat since the majority of the drones who listen to WSPD would revolt otherwise.

Well if they actually wanted to keep to the whole pretense of "Fair and Balanced"™©, they could find some liberal programming... to put on for 30 minutes at 4am...

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 12, 2012 at 07:53:36 pm     #   2 people liked this

Yes becasue as we all know Air America worked out really well for it's investors. Why is it the Dems who have run Lucas County for more than 50 years now always consider it bashing when someone points out that the city has been losing population, has a poor school system, little downtown development, and a revolving door of office holders with D's behind their names?

posted by fred on Nov 12, 2012 at 08:13:36 pm     #   2 people liked this

But your bashing is not limited to just local leaders who have run this City into the ground. WSPD criticizes anything done by any Democrat, anywhere. Even more telling is the utter lack of criticism of Republican candidates during the election. Romney was practically a 60 year old white version of Obama, but WSPD rarely if ever pointed out his faults. It's always about getting the Democrats out of office. What would you do if every office was held by a non-Democrat?

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Nov 12, 2012 at 08:37:13 pm     #   2 people liked this

Brian was very annoying to listen to, and he didn't get any better after switching to listening to WJR, popping back to his mumblings got on the nerves fast. I like Fred cause I can understand what he is saying, Brian was just uhm, uh, huh? It was awful. WSPD itself was about the only place in Toledo that was pointing out a lot of the sidestepping that's going on locally, it is pretty one sided though, but that might be from the fact that no one will talk to them. I think a more professional attitude and not trying to catch everyone with their pants down might help improve their image. The only other thing that I didn't like about Brian was him phoning in his show from another state but making pretend he was in the studios downtown, while they hid the fact, they really didn't bother to try and make it known.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 12, 2012 at 08:46:07 pm     #  

WSPD would be smart to switch their programming to the left or at LEAST more local. i think if they focused on local topics but with an angle that appealed to the local demographic they could make a lot of money in ad sales.

i've spoken with a LOT of businesses owners that wouldn't touch WSPD due to their fred/brian slant.

that said, I personally like Brian a lot. Not so much due to his show, but just in general as a person. He was a genuinely real person face to face and I'm sad to see him go.

posted by upso on Nov 12, 2012 at 10:27:31 pm     #   2 people liked this

Of course, he will still have to bash all things Democrat since the majority of the drones who listen to WSPD would revolt otherwise.

Well if they actually wanted to keep to the whole pretense of "Fair and Balanced"™©, they could find some liberal programming...

WSPD would be smart to switch their programming to the left or at LEAST more local.

To summarize, "Forget an alternate viewpoint, let's just make the Toledo echo chamber bigger."

posted by RBancroft on Nov 12, 2012 at 11:32:19 pm     #  

fred posted at 07:13:36 PM on Nov 12, 2012:

Yes becasue as we all know Air America worked out really well for it's investors. Why is it the Dems who have run Lucas County for more than 50 years now always consider it bashing when someone points out that the city has been losing population, has a poor school system, little downtown development, and a revolving door of office holders with D's behind their names?

I'm neither a Dem nor do I live in Lucas County, fred. I won't vote a candidate ballot due to having to declare a party preference, and I'm on record as wanting the entire two-party system and all the bullshit laws and regulations and tradition that enable it completely eradicated. I am, however, pretty anti-Republican these days due to the douchebaggery being perpetrated by the GOP, the large number of talking heads on Fox News and radio, and all the brainwashed minions that follow them. And, of course, it's kind of hard to keep listeners when your program is a lot of "oh, it'd be so nice if we all got along" vs. the inflammatory rhetoric along the lines of how women who use birth control are sluts and how Obama's coming for our guns and how God's turned his back on America due to gay marriage or whatever. You know this, and you choose to make a living off this very fact. Hate and violence sells. Strong negative emotions sell. The only audience for "can't we all just get along" material already has a singing purple dinosaur, a large talking yellow bird, and similar characters already entrenched, plus that particular demographic usually doesn't have tons of disposable income to blow on the sponsors, let alone the understanding or legal ability to consent to contracts and suchlike.

Some of us have bothered paying attention in history 101 and psych 101 and know enough to ask "has this shit happened before?" and "who benefits from repeating history?"

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 13, 2012 at 12:01:46 am     #   9 people liked this

I like BW's message most the time. The delivery was TERRIBLE though. His repeated use of the phrase, "and then there is that" just irritated the hell out of me.

posted by Erin on Nov 13, 2012 at 12:03:31 am     #  

RBancroft posted at 10:32:19 PM on Nov 12, 2012:

Of course, he will still have to bash all things Democrat since the majority of the drones who listen to WSPD would revolt otherwise.

Well if they actually wanted to keep to the whole pretense of "Fair and Balanced"™©, they could find some liberal programming...

WSPD would be smart to switch their programming to the left or at LEAST more local.

To summarize, "Forget an alternate viewpoint, let's just make the Toledo echo chamber bigger."

BAHAHHAHHHAAHHHHHAHAHAH hahahahahah hahahaahahahah -*gasp gasp* ahahahaha!

Are you, RBancroft, seriously suggesting that WSPD is a liberal echo chamber? Are you seriously suggesting that what those comments said is NOT that WSPD needs to present an alternative viewpoint?

Serious question. I really need to know if am reading this right.

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 13, 2012 at 12:10:18 am     #  

I'm a regular listener to the afternoon segment, and frankly I have been tired of Wilson talking more about Carty than the Bell administration.

Wilson had some excellent guests, but he didn't live here long enough to have any informed opinion about local politics.

posted by 6th_Floor on Nov 13, 2012 at 12:14:55 am     #  

Nov 13, 2012 Toledo Blade story :

Several public officials said they are glad to see him go.

“WSPD will not be hard-pressed to find someone who has a better wit, greater charm, and a far deeper knowledge base than Brian Wilson had,” said former Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner, whom Mr. Wilson referred to as Mayor Pant-Load. “He was one of the most boring talk show hosts I ever had the opportunity to briefly listen to.”

Czarty discussing wit, charm, and knowledge???

Flashback to better times between Carty and WSPD, pre-Wilson --> December 2004 Toledo Talk thread titled Carty Finkbeiner lovefest

This week on the Finkbeiner Radio Network formerly known as WSPD, Carty discussed how to take Toledo to the promise land. And it seems a lot of people bought into Carty's snake oil sales pitch. It's amazing how easily some people can be duped. Time doesn't heal wounds as much as it makes people stupid because they forget.


More from the Nov 13 TB story about Wilson leaving WSPD:

Former Mayor Jack Ford was on the Toledo Public Schools Board of Education when Mr. Wilson made the “little monkeys” comment, which the radio host said was in reference to learning and was not racially motivated.

“We found it offensive, but frankly it was kind of part and parcel what kind of things that [Wilson] had said at certain times before,” Mr. Ford said. “So it wasn’t too surprising it came out of his mouth.”

Yeah, like Ford has never made moronic and offensive remarks.

Blade story continued:

Jon Stainbrook, chairman of the Lucas County Republican Party and a frequent target of Mr. Wilson’s barbs, laughed off the criticism by Mr. Wilson, but said he found his decision to live in another state particularly offensive.

Living out of state, like the Toledo newspaper's publisher and editor-in-chief who lives in Pennsylvania.


Another Toledo Talk flashback thread that has been mentioned before --> January 2006 - Brian Wilson slams Toledo Talk and blogging that pointed to a January 2006 Toledo Free Press interview with Brian Wilson:

TFP: Did you follow the local Web blog comments about WSPD after Frantz was removed, on such sites as ToledoTalk.com?

Wilson: I haven't seen it, but every town has a blog, and they are generally populated by Kool-Aid drinkers, mouth-breathers, has-beens, never-will-be people and so on. It's a game that means nothing. It's generally a hobby for someone to masturbate their ego anonymously. I've been in this business 40 years. They're listeners. They have no clue how this business works.

(toledo talk is a message board, not a blog)

posted by jr on Nov 13, 2012 at 03:15:31 am     #  

I actually liked Wilson when he first started. He and Fred did pretty good on the local items. After a while the negativity was pretty draining, though.

The past couple of years just got to be so damn negative with him, and honestly the whole out of town thing was stupid. It just made no sense to do a local show when he doesn't even live here.

posted by MattL on Nov 13, 2012 at 10:13:03 am     #   1 person liked this

anonymouscoward posted at 11:10:18 PM on Nov 12, 2012:
RBancroft posted at 10:32:19 PM on Nov 12, 2012:

Of course, he will still have to bash all things Democrat since the majority of the drones who listen to WSPD would revolt otherwise.

Well if they actually wanted to keep to the whole pretense of "Fair and Balanced"™©, they could find some liberal programming...

WSPD would be smart to switch their programming to the left or at LEAST more local.

To summarize, "Forget an alternate viewpoint, let's just make the Toledo echo chamber bigger."

BAHAHHAHHHAAHHHHHAHAHAH hahahahahah hahahaahahahah -*gasp gasp* ahahahaha!

Are you, RBancroft, seriously suggesting that WSPD is a liberal echo chamber? Are you seriously suggesting that what those comments said is NOT that WSPD needs to present an alternative viewpoint?

Serious question. I really need to know if am reading this right.

No. Definitely not suggesting that WSPD is a liberal echo chamber.

Merely pointing out that Toledo is essentially one big liberal echo chamber. There is no need to make it bigger by shifting the viewpoint of WSPD to the left.

posted by RBancroft on Nov 13, 2012 at 11:41:25 am     #   2 people liked this

jr posted at 02:15:31 AM on Nov 13, 2012:

Nov 13, 2012 Toledo Blade story :

Several public officials said they are glad to see him go.

“WSPD will not be hard-pressed to find someone who has a better wit, greater charm, and a far deeper knowledge base than Brian Wilson had,” said former Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner, whom Mr. Wilson referred to as Mayor Pant-Load. “He was one of the most boring talk show hosts I ever had the opportunity to briefly listen to.”

Czarty discussing wit, charm, and knowledge???

Flashback to better times between Carty and WSPD, pre-Wilson --> December 2004 Toledo Talk thread titled Carty Finkbeiner lovefest

This week on the Finkbeiner Radio Network formerly known as WSPD, Carty discussed how to take Toledo to the promise land. And it seems a lot of people bought into Carty's snake oil sales pitch. It's amazing how easily some people can be duped. Time doesn't heal wounds as much as it makes people stupid because they forget.


More from the Nov 13 TB story about Wilson leaving WSPD:

Former Mayor Jack Ford was on the Toledo Public Schools Board of Education when Mr. Wilson made the “little monkeys” comment, which the radio host said was in reference to learning and was not racially motivated.

“We found it offensive, but frankly it was kind of part and parcel what kind of things that [Wilson] had said at certain times before,” Mr. Ford said. “So it wasn’t too surprising it came out of his mouth.”

Yeah, like Ford has never made moronic and offensive remarks.

Blade story continued:

Jon Stainbrook, chairman of the Lucas County Republican Party and a frequent target of Mr. Wilson’s barbs, laughed off the criticism by Mr. Wilson, but said he found his decision to live in another state particularly offensive.

Living out of state, like the Toledo newspaper's publisher and editor-in-chief who lives in Pennsylvania.


Another Toledo Talk flashback thread that has been mentioned before --> January 2006 - Brian Wilson slams Toledo Talk and blogging that pointed to a January 2006 Toledo Free Press interview with Brian Wilson:

TFP: Did you follow the local Web blog comments about WSPD after Frantz was removed, on such sites as ToledoTalk.com?

Wilson: I haven't seen it, but every town has a blog, and they are generally populated by Kool-Aid drinkers, mouth-breathers, has-beens, never-will-be people and so on. It's a game that means nothing. It's generally a hobby for someone to masturbate their ego anonymously. I've been in this business 40 years. They're listeners. They have no clue how this business works.

(toledo talk is a message board, not a blog)

Well, goddamn it--if WSPD would simply be a stenography service for local politicos like The Blade and all of our television news stations, I guess everything would be just hunky-dory.

Wilson is now a terrible on-air broadcaster. As program director, he apparently didn't bother to aircheck himself to eliminate vocalized pauses ("uh" "umm", etc.) or verbal crutches. Kind of a shame.

I, for one, would love to see a liberal talk station in this town. With as much belly-aching about what WSPD does/does not do, I (as an old radio guy) wholeheartedly want to witness the money, prestige, and power that assuredly will flow once a station with the "correct" news and information goes on the air.

And, lucky for us, there are never any shortages of program directors and advertising executives in the audience...even here on Toledo Talk...who know this career better than anyone at WSPD. So get started today! Let's find a signal to buy. All the FCC asks is that you are a citizen, not a felon, and can financially run the station for at least 3 months without advertising or other revenue. Simple right? Get the union to back the endeavor and you're on your way.

<munches popcorn expectantly>

posted by oldhometown on Nov 13, 2012 at 03:35:00 pm     #  

Where is Al Brady Law when you need him. RIP.

posted by Molsonator on Nov 13, 2012 at 03:45:26 pm     #  

OHT,

As a fairly regular contributor, I find it humorous that you seem to think jr fronts for the Dems or liberals in general. If you do believe that, you pay less attention than I give you credit for. And, as an old radio guy, you ought to know that WSPD wouldn't make a dime without a strong contingent of belly-achers to solidify the support of the loyal listeners who think Fred and the gang can do know wrong.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Nov 13, 2012 at 05:13:47 pm     #  

Liberal radio will never be very successful; Liberals simply don’t need the constant re-enforcement of our beliefs and fears. We don’t think birth control turns our wives to sluts or vaccination against STDs turns our daughters in whores and our marriages are more than stable enough to survive gays being able to marry.

Also based on the commercials that run on WSPD; Liberals wouldn’t make a good target audience. Not enough of us owe thousands to IRS; owe over $10K in credit card debt, over weight by 40lbs, have hormone issues or have a hard time “getting it up”. We’re also not good targets for endless “work from home schemes” and “invest in gold scams”… yep Liberal radio would never work.

posted by SensorG on Nov 13, 2012 at 05:15:08 pm     #   6 people liked this

Or 'no' wrong, as the case may be :-)

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Nov 13, 2012 at 05:21:26 pm     #  

I find it humorous that you seem to think jr fronts for the Dems or liberals in general.

Who said THAT? Not me. I'm just quoting jr quote all those folks who bitched and whined and moaned about a thorn in their side...a local media outlet that doesn't toe the Block and (D) party line. My post had nothing to do with jr's views...

And, as an old radio guy, you ought to know that WSPD wouldn't make a dime without a strong contingent of belly-achers to solidify the support of the loyal listeners who think Fred and the gang can do know wrong.

"Know wrong"--probably an iPad typo, but funny nonetheless :)

Yeah, they appeal to their audience. Simple. Belly-achers (on-air) have their place.

I'm referring more to the people who seem to think WSPD "should" do one tpe of programming or "needs to have" other views on air. Why?

First, the FCC doesn't care (don't take my word for it--read it from the FCC website). Equal time is dead. If WSPD wants to be a one note symphony, they can be...and are pretty successful at it.

Second, if you listen to music radio, you never hear anybody say "I love classic rock, but this particular station should play more Enya. Yeah...AC/DC into Enya into Tony Bennett into Gwar into Phil Collins into Elvis into Hoagy Carmichael...because they should be more diverse." Insisting that one station be all things to all people in this fractured media environment is silly.

In a world where information...fully customizable information...is available in a few clicks, it never ceases to amaze me how people get all worked up about conservative talk radio. And my solution remains the same--buy a station, program it to your desire, and let the market work.

posted by oldhometown on Nov 13, 2012 at 05:36:34 pm     #   1 person liked this

"i think if they focused on local topics but with an angle that appealed to the local demographic they could make a lot of money ..."

"After a while the negativity was pretty draining, though."

Someone or some group could adopt a strategy similar to YES FM but apply it to AM news/talk.

Nov 12, 2012 post at Tell.Toledo.com:

YES FM has been in existence since 1992. November 14th marks this radio station’s 20th anniversary of being on the air. This is quite the feat for an independent, non-commercial, listener-supported and, most importantly, local radio station.

YES FM is right here in the Northwest Ohio community. Being an independent radio station allows YES FM to program directly to the wants and needs of the listening audience.

Over the past twenty years, YES FM has taken great pride in serving the local community. Working side by side with listeners, YES FM has participated in countless community service projects and various food, clothing, and other drives for charities and organizations. Morning shows have been filled with interviews touting local happenings, and informing people about area charities and organizations. The airwaves have been filled with stories of local youth who have bettered our community in some way.

I'm unfamiliar with this radio station. I just get the posts from Tell.Toledo.Com. But the above description of that station sounds local and positive. Why couldn't that business strategy apply to an AM news/talk station? Independent, non-commerical, listener-supported, and local.

posted by jr on Nov 13, 2012 at 06:33:02 pm     #  

Now I can comfortable listen to Fred in the morning and now have to jump while driving home to get that ass hole off my radio.

posted by jimavolt on Nov 13, 2012 at 06:53:54 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 04:36:34 PM on Nov 13, 2012:

I find it humorous that you seem to think jr fronts for the Dems or liberals in general.

Who said THAT? Not me. I'm just quoting jr quote all those folks who bitched and whined and moaned about a thorn in their side...a local media outlet that doesn't toe the Block and (D) party line. My post had nothing to do with jr's views...

And, as an old radio guy, you ought to know that WSPD wouldn't make a dime without a strong contingent of belly-achers to solidify the support of the loyal listeners who think Fred and the gang can do know wrong.

"Know wrong"--probably an iPad typo, but funny nonetheless :)

Yeah, they appeal to their audience. Simple. Belly-achers (on-air) have their place.

I'm referring more to the people who seem to think WSPD "should" do one tpe of programming or "needs to have" other views on air. Why?

First, the FCC doesn't care (don't take my word for it--read it from the FCC website). Equal time is dead. If WSPD wants to be a one note symphony, they can be...and are pretty successful at it.

Second, if you listen to music radio, you never hear anybody say "I love classic rock, but this particular station should play more Enya. Yeah...AC/DC into Enya into Tony Bennett into Gwar into Phil Collins into Elvis into Hoagy Carmichael...because they should be more diverse." Insisting that one station be all things to all people in this fractured media environment is silly.

In a world where information...fully customizable information...is available in a few clicks, it never ceases to amaze me how people get all worked up about conservative talk radio. And my solution remains the same--buy a station, program it to your desire, and let the market work.

And again, as noted in my comment above in the nice pretty green thumbs-up box, liberal talk radio doesn't really sell so well. Kind of hard to say "hey, why can't everyone just get along?" from 6a-11p. WSPD has what, 9 hours weekdays of Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity? And 3 hours of Fred on top of that, and then good old Coast to Coast AM overnight.

Fully customizable info is a few clicks away, except that hey, most of it requires a computer or smartphone... can't exactly play with those in a car or put them on as background noise in the office or whatever.

The problem is that the viewpoints offered up on WSPD have no direct opposing counterpoints: they get to spew their crap unabated, and when someone like Media Matters fact-checks them, the people who pay attention to Media Matters to see the fact-check are mostly liberals because the right-wingers write off the fact-checks as "LIBERAL MEDIA, HURR DERP!" Nobody is on Fox News and talk radio like WSPD to stand up and yell "BULLSHIT!" or throwing the penalty flag at 'em for things like Limbaugh's slut-shaming.

Or, as the comment I once read on "fair and balanced" stated:

Fair and Balanced is not non-stop repetition that 2+2=potato.
Balanced is giving the "2+2=4" side equal time as the "2+2=potato" side (and the "2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2" side if there is that side).
Fair is noting that 2+2 does equal 4.

Of course, what really happens in the so-called liberal media is the following:

Conservative: 2+2=18
Liberal: 2+2=4
So-called Liberal Media: Wellllll, we're neutral, so 2+2 must be equal to about 11. Ish. Now on to entertainment news! - Stupid person we shouldn't be paying any attention is sleeping with another stupid person with lots of money who stars in Hollywood Reboot of Remake 5000, opening in theatres this Friday!

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 13, 2012 at 07:05:25 pm     #  

jr posted at 05:33:02 PM on Nov 13, 2012:

"i think if they focused on local topics but with an angle that appealed to the local demographic they could make a lot of money ..."

"After a while the negativity was pretty draining, though."

Someone or some group could adopt a strategy similar to YES FM but apply it to AM news/talk.

Nov 12, 2012 post at Tell.Toledo.com:

YES FM has been in existence since 1992. November 14th marks this radio station’s 20th anniversary of being on the air. This is quite the feat for an independent, non-commercial, listener-supported and, most importantly, local radio station.

YES FM is right here in the Northwest Ohio community. Being an independent radio station allows YES FM to program directly to the wants and needs of the listening audience.

Over the past twenty years, YES FM has taken great pride in serving the local community. Working side by side with listeners, YES FM has participated in countless community service projects and various food, clothing, and other drives for charities and organizations. Morning shows have been filled with interviews touting local happenings, and informing people about area charities and organizations. The airwaves have been filled with stories of local youth who have bettered our community in some way.

I'm unfamiliar with this radio station. I just get the posts from Tell.Toledo.Com. But the above description of that station sounds local and positive. Why couldn't that business strategy apply to an AM news/talk station? Independent, non-commerical, listener-supported, and local.

Right at the bottom of that, dude. Christian rock. From their website: "YES FM is a nonprofit organization and we rely on the support of our listeners and area underwriters that believe in our work"

Also, I need to share this:

http://www.yeshome.com/TPage1515.aspx
After six weeks we received FAA approval and began the engineering and FCC work to move forward. We had to be off our current tower by October 31, which was a hard deadline with the tower owners. In a bit of frustrating irony, in the six weeks that we were awaiting for FAA approval, another station filed with the FCC, and received approval, to move their antenna to a location that was close to the tower that we had been working towards moving to. That one little action then meant that YES FM could no longer move permanently to WLMB’s tower. We were at a loss as to what to do next. WLMB’s tower was the only one that we were allowed to move to, and now that option was closed. We sought every possible solution from the legal experts and found none that were permanent. That has led us to our current situation, where we are allowed by the FCC to move to WLMB’s tower site, but only at a lower power and only on a temporary basis until we can find a final resolution.

While we cannot see what that permanent solution is at this moment, we do know that Jesus has already provided an answer and means of escape for us, and we are praising Him for that even before we see the answer.

It has been an unlikely set of circumstances that has brought us to this place. It is clearly a ploy of the enemy to destroy YES FM and take this ministry from you. The good news is that we know that we win and when all of this is done, we will be in a better situation than when we began. Thank you for enduring with us and for standing with us in prayer and thanksgiving.

Man, Satan is an ASSHOLE. They're just lucky that Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't get drunk and knock their tower over, or that Zeus didn't shove a couple thunderbolts right up the transmitter.

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 13, 2012 at 07:15:19 pm     #  

SensorG posted at 04:15:08 PM on Nov 13, 2012:

Liberal radio will never be very successful; Liberals simply don’t need the constant re-enforcement of our beliefs and fears. We don’t think birth control turns our wives to sluts or vaccination against STDs turns our daughters in whores and our marriages are more than stable enough to survive gays being able to marry.

Also based on the commercials that run on WSPD; Liberals wouldn’t make a good target audience. Not enough of us owe thousands to IRS; owe over $10K in credit card debt, over weight by 40lbs, have hormone issues or have a hard time “getting it up”. We’re also not good targets for endless “work from home schemes” and “invest in gold scams”… yep Liberal radio would never work.

You forgot about buying silver and gold, using the internet for meetings or working at home while connected to the office computer. Also how you can donate your car to about 11 different charities.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 13, 2012 at 07:53:57 pm     #  

Well you can always listen to PBS radio, I've yet to hear anything conservative on it, so you can hear people with your own thought processes repeat what you already think and want to hear.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 13, 2012 at 07:59:25 pm     #  

AC, what's you're point? You're easily distracted. Focus.

The idea is independent, non-commercial, listener-supported, local, and positive AM news/talk.

What does Christian rock have to do with that?

What's the definition of a "area underwriters?"

Could area underwriters be local business owners like what upso said?

i've spoken with a LOT of businesses owners that wouldn't touch WSPD due to their fred/brian slant.

i think if they focused on local topics but with an angle that appealed to the local demographic they could make a lot of money in ad sales.

Not "ad sales" in the traditional sense.

You could substitute the YES FM info with:

"AC Free Radio is a nonprofit organization, and we rely on the support of our listeners and local business owners that enjoy our work"

One fundraiser to support the station could be a chicken and spaghetti dinner.

posted by jr on Nov 13, 2012 at 08:28:10 pm     #   2 people liked this

Sell T-shirts at the station and coffee mugs.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 13, 2012 at 09:00:27 pm     #  

Sorry... forgot my Adderal again or something.

http://www.yeshome.com/TPage1709.aspx <-- "underwriters"

Awful lot of churches underwriting YES FM. Yes, businesses, but then again, and I don't feel like doing the math, it looks like an approximate 1:1 ratio -- and since churches aren't taxed, they don't even worry about a write-off for "underwriting" YES FM.

Oh wait, what's this now? "There is no doubt that YES FM is a unique ministry."

It's all well and good that they're "nonprofit" and "listener-supported" but I could argue the case that the same thing applies to BGSU's radio station, dude.

Do you honestly think that if I ponied up "underwriting" money, they'd give me a time slot for the AnonymousCoward Liberal Atheist Hour?

The idea of independent non-commercial listener-supported local and positive news and talk is great. Got any rich liberals around here willing to bankroll it? Anyone else with lots of disposable income? YES FM is somehow able to afford not 1 but 3 transmitters and licenses!
Love to have a look at their operating costs and balance sheet.

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 13, 2012 at 09:18:09 pm     #  

Honestly, after listening to Casey whatever his last name is so far this week, I wish WSPD would have kept Wilson.

Fred, where ever he came from, place a "return to sender" on his forehead and ship him via tomorrow's mail.

Horrible.

posted by 6th_Floor on Nov 14, 2012 at 08:24:11 pm     #   2 people liked this

Insert Sean Hannity into the slot - his regular national timeslot.

CC

posted by CynicalCounsel on Nov 16, 2012 at 03:37:50 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 06:59:25 PM on Nov 13, 2012:

Well you can always listen to PBS radio, I've yet to hear anything conservative on it, so you can hear people with your own thought processes repeat what you already think and want to hear.

WGTE plays mostly classical music. What could be more conservative than that?

posted by Sohio on Nov 18, 2012 at 11:36:01 am     #  

oldhometown posted at 02:35:00 PM on Nov 13, 2012:
jr posted at 02:15:31 AM on Nov 13, 2012:

Nov 13, 2012 Toledo Blade story :

Several public officials said they are glad to see him go.

“WSPD will not be hard-pressed to find someone who has a better wit, greater charm, and a far deeper knowledge base than Brian Wilson had,” said former Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner, whom Mr. Wilson referred to as Mayor Pant-Load. “He was one of the most boring talk show hosts I ever had the opportunity to briefly listen to.”

Czarty discussing wit, charm, and knowledge???

Flashback to better times between Carty and WSPD, pre-Wilson --> December 2004 Toledo Talk thread titled Carty Finkbeiner lovefest

This week on the Finkbeiner Radio Network formerly known as WSPD, Carty discussed how to take Toledo to the promise land. And it seems a lot of people bought into Carty's snake oil sales pitch. It's amazing how easily some people can be duped. Time doesn't heal wounds as much as it makes people stupid because they forget.


More from the Nov 13 TB story about Wilson leaving WSPD:

Former Mayor Jack Ford was on the Toledo Public Schools Board of Education when Mr. Wilson made the “little monkeys” comment, which the radio host said was in reference to learning and was not racially motivated.

“We found it offensive, but frankly it was kind of part and parcel what kind of things that [Wilson] had said at certain times before,” Mr. Ford said. “So it wasn’t too surprising it came out of his mouth.”

Yeah, like Ford has never made moronic and offensive remarks.

Blade story continued:

Jon Stainbrook, chairman of the Lucas County Republican Party and a frequent target of Mr. Wilson’s barbs, laughed off the criticism by Mr. Wilson, but said he found his decision to live in another state particularly offensive.

Living out of state, like the Toledo newspaper's publisher and editor-in-chief who lives in Pennsylvania.


Another Toledo Talk flashback thread that has been mentioned before --> January 2006 - Brian Wilson slams Toledo Talk and blogging that pointed to a January 2006 Toledo Free Press interview with Brian Wilson:

TFP: Did you follow the local Web blog comments about WSPD after Frantz was removed, on such sites as ToledoTalk.com?

Wilson: I haven't seen it, but every town has a blog, and they are generally populated by Kool-Aid drinkers, mouth-breathers, has-beens, never-will-be people and so on. It's a game that means nothing. It's generally a hobby for someone to masturbate their ego anonymously. I've been in this business 40 years. They're listeners. They have no clue how this business works.

(toledo talk is a message board, not a blog)

Well, goddamn it--if WSPD would simply be a stenography service for local politicos like The Blade and all of our television news stations, I guess everything would be just hunky-dory.

Wilson is now a terrible on-air broadcaster. As program director, he apparently didn't bother to aircheck himself to eliminate vocalized pauses ("uh" "umm", etc.) or verbal crutches. Kind of a shame.

I, for one, would love to see a liberal talk station in this town. With as much belly-aching about what WSPD does/does not do, I (as an old radio guy) wholeheartedly want to witness the money, prestige, and power that assuredly will flow once a station with the "correct" news and information goes on the air.

And, lucky for us, there are never any shortages of program directors and advertising executives in the audience...even here on Toledo Talk...who know this career better than anyone at WSPD. So get started today! Let's find a signal to buy. All the FCC asks is that you are a citizen, not a felon, and can financially run the station for at least 3 months without advertising or other revenue. Simple right? Get the union to back the endeavor and you're on your way.

<munches popcorn expectantly>

I'd love to see a liberal talk station in Toledo, too. They have one in Detroit (WDTW), Chicago (WCPT), Grand Rapids (WTKG, partially), and, thanks to enterprising entrepreneur Gary Richards, in Cleveland and Columbus (WABQ and WVKO). I am not sure how these stations are doing; but I know WDTW and WCPT have been in this format since at least 2007, WVKO actually switched BACK to liberal talk after going Catholic for a few years, and WTKG is located in a solid conservative stronghold market. If Toledo is as liberal as you say, then surely there is some money to be made here?

According to the Blade article, WSPD has dropped from 3rd to 11th in the ratings. At least in his time slot.

So, why no talk about how Conservative talk radio has failed?

<munches popcorn expectantly>

posted by Sohio on Nov 18, 2012 at 11:57:23 am     #  

<popcorn delivery>

If Toledo is as liberal as you say, then surely there is some money to be made here?

You'd think. But it's all speculation until a station is bought and programmed and let loose on the market. All we're waiting for is someone with deep pockets or a group with deep pockets and the fun will begin.

According to the Blade article, WSPD has dropped from 3rd to 11th in the ratings. At least in his time slot.

Judging an entire station by one time slot is feeble. As for his individual daypart, the numbers collapse is rationale enough to fire Wilson (along with being a terrible um...ahh...errr....hmmm...broadcater and nondescript program director). Nothing like "stars" who aren't, really.

So, why no talk about how Conservative talk radio has failed?

It has? By audience numbers and revenue generated, you'd be hard pressed to make that case.

The Atlantic tackled the echo chamber characteristics of conservative radio of this past election. Perhaps that is more what you were going for.

posted by oldhometown on Nov 18, 2012 at 12:39:09 pm     #  

hometown, that's my point.

Conservative talk radio has NOT failed, by any stretch of the imagination.

But then, liberal talk radio has not failed either. One narrowly-focused network failed.

Judging WSPD by one failing time slot, or judging the entire format by one station, is as feeble as judging the other side of the format by one failed segment.

This popcorn sucks, by the way...

posted by Sohio on Nov 18, 2012 at 12:53:52 pm     #  

On another note, a quote from the Blade article:

"Mr. Stroud said the general manager who laid him off read from a highlighted script — the two had known each other since college. The general manager wasn’t allowed to deviate from the script, he said."

This is why radio is doomed. They are even doing their human resources ON SCRIPT now!

It reminds me of my last days in radio, in 2002. About three weeks before I got out of the biz, I was on air, reading a liner card promoting a public appearance by our morning show host. At the end, I ad-libbed "a splendid time is guaranteed for all" (Sgt. Pepper reference) before moving on to the next order of business. The next day I was given a written warning, because those words did not appear on the script, and the classic rock reference did not fit our format. Fortunately, I was a short-timer, so I didn't really care.

This compulsive sticking-to-the-script is a symptom of what is wrong with radio today. And this is why I can't see having too much emotion one way or the other over the departure of Brian Wilson or any other host. His show wasn't that interesting, because not much on the radio anymore really is. Just my opinion.

Sorry, don't mean to get off-topic...end rant...

posted by Sohio on Nov 18, 2012 at 01:03:15 pm     #  

Nov 15, 2012 comment by Brian Wilson:

Now that I have some extra time, I'll be working on a book that has been "in progress" since 1990! Ah...the stories that will be told!


Excerpts from a Nov 15, 2012 opinion by Michael Miller at the Toledo Free Press:

It is a sad irony that Brian Wilson left the Toledo radio market just as two of his political adversaries, Jack Ford and Carty Finkbeiner, were muscling their way back into the headlines.

Wilson’s legacy can be neatly summed up by the enemies who rushed to gloat over his absence in the predictably slanted Nov. 13 Blade article that recorded his exit.

Ford. Finkbeiner. Jon Stainbrook. If those champions of mediocrity make up the confederacy of dunces capering over Wilson’s exit, he must have done something right.

But for Wilson, rankling the powers that be was part of his performance art. He would never apologize for the coarseness, nor should he. A watchdog can’t lie down with the thieves it is supposed to guard against. For seven years, Wilson helped expose the political criminals for who they are. In his absence, those forces will feel emboldened and freer to perpetrate their evils.

There are many who will cheer Wilson’s exit. I understand that. But I also know that the perimeter is now weaker, that there is one fewer watchdog guarding the fence. That is not to be celebrated.

Wilson was old-school, employing indignation and fearlessness as tools to chip away at ignorance. The forces of mediocrity may believe they won this round, and they will never accept that our city benefited from Wilson’s work.

posted by jr on Nov 18, 2012 at 01:42:35 pm     #   1 person liked this

"It is a sad irony that Brian Wilson left the Toledo radio market just as two of his political adversaries, Jack Ford and Carty Finkbeiner, were muscling their way back into the headlines."
--Um, Wilson didn't 'leave' the market...he was fired. Furthermore, those guys are not only perennial political/public figures in this area, but they LIVE here; whereas Wilson is a temporary media figure who lives out-of-state. It is not ironic at all; like them or hate them, these guys are bound to come and go from the headlines regardless of Brian Wilson. Does Miller even know the definition of the word 'ironic'? What is ironic is that Brian Wilson shares the name of the Beach Boy's front man, yet shares none of his skill for crafting good-time summer pop anthems...

"Ford. Finkbeiner. Jon Stainbrook. If those champions of mediocrity make up the confederacy of dunces capering over Wilson’s exit, he must have done something right."
--Let's talk about mediocrity: how about taking your time slot from #3 to #11? Free market mores would dictate it was time for a head to roll over that; Libertarians like Miller and Wilson preach free market until something lands on their face, then suddenly it's a political conspiracy or vendetta. Why can't these free-market-loving pundits praise Wilson's departure as the free market working its magic?

Here's another quote from the Blade article, Brian Wilson speaking:
"For the last 5 years, I have been contending with some of the most idiotic, aggressively ignorant, apathetic, delusional morons I have ever encountered in 45+ years of Talk radio ... This gaggle of people is concentrated in NW Ohio, specifically the ‘greater’ Toledo metropolitan area. Here you will find this stultifying concentration of blithering idiots on the planet. ...”
[This from a guy who once worked in Washington DC???]

Dunces...criminals...thieves...morons...blithering idiots...why do Libertarians always have to resort to smarter-than-thou insults and mudslinging toward people they disagree with? Don't they have any security whatsoever in their own political beliefs? Has anyone considered that maybe the reason Wilson's ratings dropped is that people got tired of listening to all the nasty negative bitching and name-calling? This is a community here...we don't all agree with each other, but when someone comes in from out-of-town and starts calling our neighbors "morons", it's a bit of a turn-off...

posted by Sohio on Nov 18, 2012 at 02:25:31 pm     #   6 people liked this

His ratings dropped for two reasons. One, was the constant droning on about Ron Paul, and the Libertarian party. Second, and IMO more important, was the fact that he sounded and acted like an idiotic cartoon character I remember as a kid---Foghorn Leghorn

posted by Wulf on Nov 18, 2012 at 02:32:21 pm     #   4 people liked this

But then, liberal talk radio has not failed either. One narrowly-focused network failed.

...which was liberal talk radio, styled like conservative talk radio. Flop-a-rooney. Nobody has made even a half-hearted attempt since at a similar product.

They have [liberal talkers] in Detroit (WDTW), Chicago (WCPT), Grand Rapids (WTKG, partially), and, thanks to enterprising entrepreneur Gary Richards, in Cleveland and Columbus (WABQ and WVKO). I am not sure how these stations are doing; but I know WDTW and WCPT have been in this format since at least 2007...

I only have 12+ numbers, but....

WDTW (a Clear Channel/Bain property by the way) is 28th in the Detroit market
WCPT is 35th in the Chicago market

In demo...yeah, maybe they're a little better with 35+ numbers, but in no way compare with conservative talk for strength of audience or revenue generation. It is signal-filler, not revenue generating programming.

The Ohio stations are not Arbitron subscribers, so we don't really know how large an audience they are attracting. I would guess similar to the Detroit and Chicago numbers.

Judging WSPD by one failing time slot, or judging the entire format by one station, is as feeble as judging the other side of the format by one failed segment.

OK, sure. I'll buy that.

3 of the top 5 most listened to radio programs are NPR offerings. So, what grinds me about liberals bitching about conservative talk radio (or WSPD in specific) is the fact there is already an outlet (NPR) that most liberals prefer for news and commentary. So what is the problem?

One more comment about WSPD needing to be more "diverse": I'm old enough to remember when Limbaugh's show was brand new and WSPD decided to try to "balance" things by having a liberal on from 3 - 6PM (Maggie something-or-another...her name has faded in memory). Rush's shares were in double-digits--and fell through the floor when Maggie showed up (2 - 4 share range). Didn't work then and it won't work now.

They are even doing their human resources ON SCRIPT now!

Lawyers and lawsuits make strange things happen. I'm sure it wasn't the GMs first choice either.

Your liner card story sounds like an asshole power-tripping PD gone berzerk. I would have complimented you on the ad lib. These are the things that consolidation and "best practices" (loathe that term) have brought us.

As for the popcorn sucking...apparently you took my first post a little personally. Don't know why, but sorry for offending.

posted by oldhometown on Nov 18, 2012 at 06:34:44 pm     #   1 person liked this

"...which was liberal talk radio, styled like conservative talk radio. Flop-a-rooney. Nobody has made even a half-hearted attempt since at a similar product."
--Not even Dial Global, which syndicates such liberal talkers as Thom Hartman, Ed Schultz, and Stephanie Miller?

"In demo...yeah, maybe they're a little better with 35+ numbers, but in no way compare with conservative talk for strength of audience or revenue generation. It is signal-filler, not revenue generating programming."
--12+ numbers don't show a very good picture. 12+ basically means "everybody." No radio station is trying to attract "everybody," they are trying to attract a specific demographic. What really matters is how they do in their demo.

I understand what you're saying...those are also called "flanker" stations. Stations that are strategically programmed to corner markets while not competing too much with the main station. However, there are any number of formats a flanker can carry to serve the same purpose. If liberal talk did not fit into the owner's big-picture one way or another, they'd switch. Flanker stations are not often big money-makers, but they carry what they carry for a reason. Otherwise, WCWA would still be playing Frank Sinatra; WOHO would still be playing classic soul, and WTOD would still be a simulcast of K-100.

"3 of the top 5 most listened to radio programs are NPR offerings. So, what grinds me about liberals bitching about conservative talk radio (or WSPD in specific) is the fact there is already an outlet (NPR) that most liberals prefer for news and commentary. So what is the problem?"
--There isn't one. Right-wing talk radio makes money. Liberal talk radio does too, in certain markets, if done right. I am sure I won't change your mind about NPR being a liberal institution...but, having worked for both NPR and conventional talk radio, I can only say that my experience was that NPR tries MUCH harder to present an unbiased news program. Again, I know you won't buy that...but, having been there, I know the reality. I saw it with my own eyes. So we'll have to agree to disagree.

"One more comment about WSPD needing to be more "diverse": I'm old enough to remember when Limbaugh's show was brand new and WSPD decided to try to "balance" things by having a liberal on from 3 - 6PM (Maggie something-or-another...her name has faded in memory). Rush's shares were in double-digits--and fell through the floor when Maggie showed up (2 - 4 share range). Didn't work then and it won't work now."
--Maggie Moore. Her show was not that good. It did ruffle enough feathers for her to get near-daily death threats, though. Didn't Paula Pennypacker have a show on WSPD at one point, too? I don't care how diverse WSPD is...I just wish the radio landscape in Toledo in general were more diverse.

"Lawyers and lawsuits make strange things happen. I'm sure it wasn't the GMs first choice either."
--I don't disagree too much...the litigious society we live in now does breed this kind of nonsense. My guess is that the GMs don't mind too much, though. Gives them something to hide behind. They like that.

"Your liner card story sounds like an asshole power-tripping PD gone berzerk."
--Meh, Not really. That was a pretty standard reaction by that time. The PD was actually a fairly level-headed guy...but, he had his orders. That was one of the reasons I got out of radio after having been in it since I was 12 years old (seriously).

"These are the things that consolidation and "best practices" (loathe that term) have brought us."
--Agreed!

"As for the popcorn sucking...apparently you took my first post a little personally. Don't know why, but sorry for offending."
--A joke, hometown. I was just playing along. For levity. No offense taken.

posted by Sohio on Nov 18, 2012 at 10:26:53 pm     #  

Not sure why he ever got ratings, he mumbles and stutters so bad it was painful to listen to him.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 18, 2012 at 11:18:02 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 10:18:02 PM on Nov 18, 2012:

Not sure why he ever got ratings, he mumbles and stutters so bad it was painful to listen to him.

I could have sworn you once claimed you didn't listen to conservative talk radio... so how would you know what he sounded like?

Busted?

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09:47 am     #  

Scroll back chump, I have said in a past thread that I stopped listening to WSPD and switched to WJR mainly because of mumble mouth, I never claimed I didn't listen to conservative talk radio. I claimed not to be a republican, still claim to be an independant. Still trying to play gotcha huh.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 19, 2012 at 01:54:38 am     #  

Um, uhh. you know, um old uh mayor, pant load um, ah, old um, mayor sleepy bear. They uh, uh, um wamt to uh, um do uh, some um, uh things in uh, um Toledo. So I uh, um can't uh um take uh, uh uh, um it any uh more. The uh, um, uh Swamp, uh, um gas that uh, made me uh, um, let my uh, um Toledo, uh, um area, uh house be , um uh, foreclosed by the socialist, liberal uh, banks, um, uh, has um, uh caused me, um dain, um, uh bramage.

posted by toledoboner on Nov 19, 2012 at 02:47:16 am     #   3 people liked this

Only worse person I seen was Obama's old press secretary.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 19, 2012 at 02:56:30 am     #  

A couple thoughts:

-Brian Wilson's schtick wears out quickly regardless of your politics. His trite and limited repertoire is cute for a very brief time. It gets moldy faster than Madjack's grandma's bread on the fridge top. If he had never heard of Ron Paul, he would still have had a limited shelf life.

-If you are outraged that radio uses "voice tracking," (ie: non-local DJ) your outrage is nearly 40 years late to the party. What started on FM stations in the 70s using reel to reel and cartridge decks morphed into live voice tracking by the time ISDN came along. But your niavete is charming.

posted by justread on Nov 19, 2012 at 07:26:20 am     #  

"...when someone comes in from out-of-town and starts calling our neighbors "morons", it's a bit of a turn-off..."

He lasted longer than he should have. I'm not sure what his point was when he insulted the locals. Bad strategy, whether you're a radio personality or business.

posted by bikerdude on Nov 19, 2012 at 08:22:43 am     #  

Linecrosser posted at 01:56:30 AM on Nov 19, 2012:

Only worse person I seen was Obama's old press secretary.

Annnnnd that's the cue to move this to /p/.

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 19, 2012 at 08:47:15 am     #  

On the plus side, hopefully we’ve also heard the last of Wilson favorite, Fritz Wenzel on WSPD. His polling was so far off, I can’t believe he gets paid to do it…
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265355-gop-pollster-romney-up-in-ohio-closing-in-wisconsin

Romney leads Obama by 49 to 46 percent in Ohio, according to the poll, and trails Obama in Wisconsin by 49 to 47 percent, according to polling first obtained by The Hill.

Ohio state Treasurer Josh Mandel (R) leads Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) by 50 to 45 percent in the poll, and former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson (R) edges Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.)

posted by SensorG on Nov 19, 2012 at 12:26:21 pm     #   1 person liked this

Nov 10, 2012 - FiveThirtyEight - Which Polls Fared Best (and Worst) in the 2012 Presidential Race

Wenzel Strategies is listed in the bottom third in the below graphic with an average error of 4.9 with three polls conducted.

Nov 8, 2012 - Wenzel Strategies - The 2012 Elections: What the Heck Just Happened?

TIPP polling for Investor's Business Daily did the best among those with a minimum of five polls.

Nate Silver's model at http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ never showed Obama trailing during the campaign starting June 1.

posted by jr on Nov 19, 2012 at 01:02:45 pm     #  

justread posted at 06:26:20 AM on Nov 19, 2012:

A couple thoughts:

-Brian Wilson's schtick wears out quickly regardless of your politics. His trite and limited repertoire is cute for a very brief time. It gets moldy faster than Madjack's grandma's bread on the fridge top. If he had never heard of Ron Paul, he would still have had a limited shelf life.

-If you are outraged that radio uses "voice tracking," (ie: non-local DJ) your outrage is nearly 40 years late to the party. What started on FM stations in the 70s using reel to reel and cartridge decks morphed into live voice tracking by the time ISDN came along. But your niavete is charming.

Who mentioned voice-tracking? I do see voice tracking as a problem; albeit one that will likely never go away. But nobody used that term, you did. Then you claimed I was naive?

My outrage is timely to my chronology on this planet. I know all about reel-to-reel and carts and satellite syndication and when the cancer of automation began to spread on my former industry. I also know how to cue up a vinyl LP and wind a custom-length cart (which voids the warranty on the cartridge, by the way). I never spliced brown tape with black tape and I always used a de-magnetized blade to cut edits to avoid getting an edit-pop. I worked in radio for ten years to the day. How about you?

It seems that radio was able to survive with such corner-cutting for years until several alternatives for entertainment and information sprung up. Now, they drown. So, who is naive again?

By the way Casey Kasem, there is no such thing as "live voice tracking." Voice-tracking is pre-recorded and can be done either by a local person or remotely via ISDN. If it is done live, it's a live show delivered remotely.

Your condescension is charming.

posted by Sohio on Nov 19, 2012 at 01:33:42 pm     #  

"I know all about reel-to-reel and carts and satellite syndication and when the cancer of automation began to spread on my former industry. I also know how to cue up a vinyl LP and wind a custom-length cart (which voids the warranty on the cartridge, by the way). I never spliced brown tape with black tape and I always used a de-magnetized blade to cut edits to avoid getting an edit-pop."

As Clint Eastwood said in Heartbreak Ridge , we "sure as hell chewed a lot of the same dirt, sir."

Radio used to be a license to print money. Now, over-valuation by wizards of financial doom and 10-15 years of passing the bag musical chairs between new "owners" has ended and the last companies standing either have to constantly refinance (Clear Channel) or buy out other groups (Cumulus eating Citadel) to keep the sharks fed.

Sad state of affairs....

Hope you updated your reel-to-reel skills! Carts....crap, that's a time trip in itself. The joys of hearing a tape chewed on the air...and then using a screwdriver to pry it out (along with 300 feet of bunched tape)!

posted by oldhometown on Nov 19, 2012 at 02:07:11 pm     #  

Sohio posted at 12:33:42 PM on Nov 19, 2012:
justread posted at 06:26:20 AM on Nov 19, 2012:

A couple thoughts:

-Brian Wilson's schtick wears out quickly regardless of your politics. His trite and limited repertoire is cute for a very brief time. It gets moldy faster than Madjack's grandma's bread on the fridge top. If he had never heard of Ron Paul, he would still have had a limited shelf life.

-If you are outraged that radio uses "voice tracking," (ie: non-local DJ) your outrage is nearly 40 years late to the party. What started on FM stations in the 70s using reel to reel and cartridge decks morphed into live voice tracking by the time ISDN came along. But your niavete is charming.

Who mentioned voice-tracking? I do see voice tracking as a problem; albeit one that will likely never go away. But nobody used that term, you did. Then you claimed I was naive?

My outrage is timely to my chronology on this planet. I know all about reel-to-reel and carts and satellite syndication and when the cancer of automation began to spread on my former industry. I also know how to cue up a vinyl LP and wind a custom-length cart (which voids the warranty on the cartridge, by the way). I never spliced brown tape with black tape and I always used a de-magnetized blade to cut edits to avoid getting an edit-pop. I worked in radio for ten years to the day. How about you?

It seems that radio was able to survive with such corner-cutting for years until several alternatives for entertainment and information sprung up. Now, they drown. So, who is naive again?

By the way Casey Kasem, there is no such thing as "live voice tracking." Voice-tracking is pre-recorded and can be done either by a local person or remotely via ISDN. If it is done live, it's a live show delivered remotely.

Your condescension is charming.

Imagine that my entire point was made without you in my mind. Because it's true. You and my post are only related by your willingness to be offended.

I used the term "voice tracking" because it is the appropriate term compared to something like say, capretbagging. I used it to differentiate between the fact that voice tracking is lame, and the fact that Brian Wilson is lame. I'll call it remote broadcasting if you'd like, but then you'd just tell me that the transmitter is on Pickle Rd. or that a "remote" is when the DJ is on location at a remote. My actual point was that they are not related (The Wilson problem and the Virginia problem.)
I remember when voice tracking started. I experienced my shock and outrage back then. I don't experience that shock and outrage anymore. It's over. Anybody who is just now wrapping their heads around the whole "virginia" thing is niave.

Thanks for volunteering to take something that wasn't about you so personally.

I spent over a decade in broadcasting and production in both radio and TV. Long enough to remember the old people when they were young.

posted by justread on Nov 19, 2012 at 03:22:49 pm     #  

OK, OK. Sorry. Didn't mean to be so sensitive. I see what you were saying now.

The actual advent of voice-tracking (if you go back to when it was done with carts) was a little before my time. But, I was around when it started to become more widespread (and computerized...damn Prophet system); and, to my horror, EMBRACED by my fellow air staff. I was pretty young at the time, but I was still stupefied by comments my co-workers would make, along the lines of "this voice-tracking is great! It frees me up for the rest of the shift to do other things!" (yeah, like file for unemployment...) It was around the same time that carpetbagging became more prevalent, too. I don't suppose there was much us low-level types could do to stop it; but still, the amount of kool-aid drinking that went on among the Clear Channel Toledo staff was one of the things that drove me out of the business. I couldn't fix it, so I voted with my feet. I've never looked back, because, as we can see from discussions here, it has only gotten worse.

posted by Sohio on Nov 20, 2012 at 07:38:41 am     #  

Wenzel's "analysis" of his lousy prognosticating is pretty funny. Essentially he says that the reason his predictions were so far off the mark is that voters are stupid.

Not "my model had some flaws," or "Mitt Romney's campaign had serious financial weaknesses in the summer that hurt his ability to get his message out," or "we underestimated the popularity of the incumbent president," or "Mitt Romney ran a poor late game campaign," or even "the President benefited from Hurricane Sandy."

Just that he was "expecting voters to be smarter than they apparently are" and that voters were "less informed and less sophisticated" than he believed.

Dear Fritz: it is not as if stupid people suddenly appeared on the planet, or that there has been a marked rise in stupidity over the last four years. Your polls were off the mark because you are a partisan hack whose ideological biases interfered with sound thinking. Your loyalty to party interfered with your ability to correctly analyze data that even comparatively uninformed people could see in the weeks leading up to the election: that this was an extremely close race in early October that began to break toward Obama in the 10-12 days prior to the election.

Blaming Romney's defeat on voter stupidity is in itself an exercise in stupid thinking. The bottom line is that your polling failed to account for changing demographics and that it was based on 2004 electoral models, not 2012 realities. Like a number of partisan polling outfits, you bought into the myth that there would be a groundswell of GOP voters on election day that would magically erase the slight-but-growing edge Obama was demonstrating in a wide range of polls, especially in battleground states. And you also got sucked into the misleading national polls, which were skewed by high Romney leads in places like Texas.

It would be much easier to simply say: "boy, we really screwed this one up." This would be refreshing, and would probably salvage your fledgling political consulting business. Instead, blaming the stupidity of voters will be your excuse, but remember this: you over-sampled likely Republican voters, and you under-estimated the President's ability to mobilize his base. In fact, an argument could be made that the pie-in-the-sky hallucinations of polling firms like Rasmussen and Wenzel Strategies might have dampened GOP turnout, since they were forecasting an easy Romney victory. Wouldn't that be galling: not only did you fail to predict the re-election of what should have been an easily beatable incumbent, but you may have helped re-elect the guy you so intensely dislike.

In simple terms: you sucked, dude. Quit blaming the voters and rework your models if you want to be relevant as an analyst.

posted by historymike on Nov 20, 2012 at 09:45:53 am     #   1 person liked this

It is also interesting in reviewing jr's chart that neither Wenzel nor Rasmussen included cell phones in their polling. I see this as an over-sampling of people with land lines, from which we could extrapolate that their polls under-sampled younger voters (who are much more likely to use only a cell phone) and over-sampled older voters (who are more likely to have land lines). It is not an overstatement to point out that older voters leaned toward Romney (56-44), while younger voters leaned toward Obama (60-37).

Maybe... I dunno, since I am not a pollster or anything... you might, I dunno, include a couple of cell phone users in the next batch of polls you conduct, Fritz. Just a suggestion, bud.

posted by historymike on Nov 20, 2012 at 10:06:50 am     #  

"Mitt Romney ran a poor late game campaign ... under-estimated the President's ability to mobilize his base."

Technology, especially near the end of the campaign, may have played a significant role. Romney's tech failed while Obama's succeeded. The survey companies cannot poll for tech ineptitude. These two stories are examples of what to do and what not to do when developing complicated software systems. The development and deployment of Romney's system is stunningly bad. Someone or some group committed a crime of theft if they got paid for creating Romney's Orca app.

Team Romney:

Team Obama:

(Trivia: Obama's CTO was Harper Reed, a friend of upso's. A few years ago, the Ottawa Tavern began selling a drink called the Dr. Reed, named after Harper who invented it, I think.)

posted by jr on Nov 20, 2012 at 10:46:17 am     #   1 person liked this

Best line in the above links: "somebody said Orca is lying on the beach with a harpoon in it."

posted by historymike on Nov 20, 2012 at 11:09:38 am     #  

And jr: are you saying that upso associates with someone who associates with Barack Obama, a person who has associated with known radicals and communists?

OMG.

And I associate with someone who associates with upso, the man with communist connections. In fact, upso is on my FB friend list.

I denounce myself as a suspected subversive-by-association.

posted by historymike on Nov 20, 2012 at 11:13:53 am     #  

HM, you’re a college professor; it’s assumed you’re a communist. :)

posted by SensorG on Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27:26 am     #  

it's true
i'm a commie

posted by upso on Nov 20, 2012 at 11:37:43 am     #   1 person liked this

Aw crap. Now this absolutely means I have to go downtown and hang at upso's Commie Cave and Socialist Saloon, right?

BTW Romney got his IT from what was effectively the Geek Squad. Goes to show why you should go local and in-house vs. outsourcing.

While I'm at it, did anyone else notice that Romney's get-out-the-vote effort was named ORCA... which is ACORN minus the N.

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 20, 2012 at 08:21:00 pm     #  

There is an "N" joke to be made here, but I'm not making it.

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 20, 2012 at 08:34:50 pm     #  

"While I'm at it, did anyone else notice that Romney's get-out-the-vote effort was named ORCA... which is ACORN minus the N."

For those disinterested in reading the articles mentioned above, the Romney campaign named their app Orca because Obama's software system was named Narwhal. The orca and narwhal are whale species. The orca is the only known predator of the narwhal, so you can see the angle played by the Romney camp.

But the Romney campaign's Orca was a single program while the Obama campaign's Narwhal was a large system of programs, so the comparison was flawed by the Romney people. I think that's what happens when a political campaign relies on too many consultants instead of humans.

posted by jr on Nov 20, 2012 at 10:19:54 pm     #  

awwwwwwwwww you had to ruin it with facts, jr.

But actually, from the links you provided, let me cite:

"Project Orca was designed to replace the standard phone- and paper-based get-out-the-vote effort"

Orca was the new "get out the vote effort", just like I said. Yeah, an "app" for the poll-watchers and such to use at each polling place, but it depended on the whole back-end too... which blew up because (IRONICALLY!) Team Romney failed at integration...

The post-mortems on ORCA pretty much indicate that Team Rmoney completely and utterly blew off the Law of the Seven Ps: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance. They didn't have everything integrated, they didn't have everything fully tested, they didn't have everyone trained, they didn't have procedures in place, and they sure as hell didn't have backup plans. Yeah, they were working in a tight timeframe, but hell, where the hell was the GOP? This shouldn't have been a Romney-only thing, the GOP should have had an entire package ready to go, since they knew Obama was sitting on one.

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 21, 2012 at 12:05:28 am     #  

Yay, racism! My day is now complete.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Nov 21, 2012 at 12:10:10 am     #  

Not it's getting interesting.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2012/11/20/Clear-Channel-WSPD-general-manager-Andy-Stuart-resigns.html

posted by slowsol on Nov 21, 2012 at 12:23:11 am     #  

Yeah, they were working in a tight timeframe, but hell, where the hell was the GOP? This shouldn't have been a Romney-only thing, the GOP should have had an entire package ready to go, since they knew Obama was sitting on one.

The local incarnation of the GOP's fucking pathetic excuse of a website remains telling of their expertise on the innertubes....

posted by oldhometown on Nov 21, 2012 at 12:27:41 am     #  

AWWWW. That breaks my heart.

posted by Sohio on Nov 21, 2012 at 08:47:01 am     #  

No more interesting than it was three days ago. I don't think I've ever seen so much interest from so many people who say they listen so little to a station they hate so much. (apologies to Churchill)

posted by fred on Nov 21, 2012 at 10:20:14 am     #   1 person liked this

Methinks it is time to polish up the old resume.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Nov 21, 2012 at 10:45:29 am     #   1 person liked this

And what will it say on your resume?

posted by fred on Nov 21, 2012 at 02:25:34 pm     #  

Mr. Stuart is the latest Clear Channel employee to either announce a resignation or be forced out over the past year. The company is partially owned by Bain Capital, which is the company founded and previously run by former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Welcome to The Blade's new "University of Toledo Medical Center, the former Medical College of Ohio Hospital,..."

posted by RBancroft on Nov 21, 2012 at 02:36:18 pm     #   3 people liked this

I wonder when they are going to tie Clear Channel in with Tom Noe, The recent County Court House demolition and possibly the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby.

posted by shamrock44 on Nov 21, 2012 at 11:03:27 pm     #  

fred posted at 09:20:14 AM on Nov 21, 2012:

No more interesting than it was three days ago. I don't think I've ever seen so much interest from so many people who say they listen so little to a station they hate so much. (apologies to Churchill)

You're right about that, Fred. There hasn't been this much interest in WSPD in a LONG time.

posted by Sohio on Nov 26, 2012 at 07:22:18 am     #  

Say what you will about Wilson. The substitute hosts have been gawd awful. The guy on today is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

Thank goodness for Sirius/XM online..........

posted by Foodie on Nov 27, 2012 at 04:46:09 pm     #   1 person liked this

Being a sub-host is tough. I tried it one time, up in Michigan, and swore I'd never do it again. It's hard enough to put together a compelling show, but then to try and fill another guy's shoes...yikes. It wasn't for me. I made a much better second-banana.

My boss at the station I worked at up there used to fill in for the afternoon host once in a while. It was a station pretty much identical to WSPD (owned by Clear Channel, in fact), and he would go on air and pretend to be a flaming liberal just to hear the fireworks fly from the callers. It was a riot. WSPD should try it.

posted by Sohio on Nov 27, 2012 at 08:16:24 pm     #   1 person liked this

Johhny D will be in the 3pm to 6pm slot starting Monday.

posted by Molsonator on Dec 12, 2012 at 01:19:52 pm     #  

Johhny D will be in the 3pm to 6pm slot starting Monday.

Jeezus...did I just time warp back to 1995?

What's the plan Fred? To get everyone on the Kiss airstaff two decades ago on WSPD?

Make sure he plays "Waterfalls" by TLC...

posted by oldhometown on Dec 12, 2012 at 01:24:05 pm     #  

Johnny D
Andrew Z

What happened to their last names?

I'm unfamiliar with Toledo's FM radio market, except for 106.5 being an ESPN station. I learned about Andrew Z from people posting here at Toledo Talk. I don't think I've ever heard of a Johnny D, so I searched Toledo Talk, and few old threads surfaced.

posted by jr on Dec 12, 2012 at 01:36:52 pm     #  

Sohio wrote: "he would go on air and pretend to be a flaming liberal just to hear the fireworks fly from the callers. It was a riot. WSPD should try it."

I once took an online econ class. I pretended throughout the whole course to be a Marxist. It was a riot. People went nuts..I even got hate emails. It was a welcome diversion from my cubicle life!

posted by Dappling2 on Dec 12, 2012 at 02:00:00 pm     #  

I heard what passes for local news on WSPD this week. I think it is fed out of Clear Channel Columbus, but it is better than nothing.

posted by max on Dec 12, 2012 at 02:01:21 pm     #  

Dappling2 posted at 01:00:00 PM on Dec 12, 2012:

Sohio wrote: "he would go on air and pretend to be a flaming liberal just to hear the fireworks fly from the callers. It was a riot. WSPD should try it."

I once took an online econ class. I pretended throughout the whole course to be a Marxist. It was a riot. People went nuts..I even got hate emails. It was a welcome diversion from my cubicle life!

LOL!

My wife took religion classes in college, and pretended to be an atheist the whole time (she's not really). She said it made for better discussions. This was at a Christian college, no less.

Sometimes you have to stir the pot. It's fun. And it keeps people thinking.

On a side note, the boss I mentioned, who pretended to be a liberal, eventually had to stop doing that, by order of corporate. Not because of politics or ratings, but because the death threats were getting so intense, they didn't want to be sued by his widow if somebody Alan-Berg'd him. And that was a level of anger he garnered with very limited on-air exposure...

posted by Sohio on Dec 12, 2012 at 02:17:37 pm     #  

anyone notice how drastically different the tone is on WSPD these days?

i still tune in once in a while on my morning and afternoon commute and am really enjoying how light hearted things have turned.

fred is weirdly happy sounding, and while sticking to politics he just seems .... happier? fred? are you happier?

and johnny D? while at first i kind of hated him... i've now grown to like him (for what he is.)

they talk about the stupidest stuff, but in the same way i love howard stern (don't tell my wife) i enjoy listening Johnny babble about non political things. they have way more people call in to comment on current events, and it's turned into a fascinating microcosm of the general toledo mindset.

it's such a huge change in programing, and honestly, at this point, it's for the better.

posted by upso on Mar 27, 2013 at 10:17:42 pm     #  

I am no happier than I've ever been. The topics I cover now are the same I talked about the last 6 years, things I find interesting. At time that will be more political because of the election cycle. A check of my guest list for the last week shows I covered council, gun control, gay marriage, port authority levy, Rand Paul, and the BOE, no different than before. People hear what they want to hear, depending on when they listen and what frame of my mind they are in. Thanks in any case for tuning in. Hope that answers your question about my happiness.

posted by fred on Mar 28, 2013 at 05:06:24 am     #  

Good point. I guess I really tuned out during the presidential election, when we were in the heat of political coverage.

None the less, glad to hear you're happy as ever.

posted by upso on Mar 28, 2013 at 08:20:15 am     #  

upso said:

"and johnny D? while at first i kind of hated him... i've now grown to like him (for what he is.) "

I just can't take this guy. I've REALLY tried but I just can't listen to his show. Every day is like an audio version of the Jerry Springer show. And, he's nearly as full of himself as his predecessor in that slot was.

As I've said before, thank God for satellite radio.

posted by Foodie on May 10, 2013 at 02:48:14 pm     #  

JohnnyD spent over 30 minutes of air time the other day arguing with a 15 year old...so painful

posted by SensorG on May 10, 2013 at 02:59:59 pm     #  

I heard it. Then he actually called him back at the top of the 5 o'clock hour to argue with him some more.

Between that, his whining about being nailed by red light cameras (hey, Genius, here's a tip - slow down!), his overuse of profanity and his strangely prurient interest in the Cleveland kidnapping case........I just can't take it any more.

posted by Foodie on May 10, 2013 at 03:06:42 pm     #  

Dear God, he's opening his show today with the 15 year old...I'm off to Sirius.

posted by Foodie on May 10, 2013 at 03:08:28 pm     #  

Not off to Sirius, but have stopped listening to WSPD in that time slot again.

Brian Wilson hemmed, hawed, ummed and ahhhhhed so much a hated listening to him. Johnny D is a much more professional sounding speaker but his haranguing just doesn't make for radio that I enjoy. No griping here though, I just switch the channel.

I still enjoy Fred, Glenn and Rush!

posted by shamrock44 on May 10, 2013 at 05:16:54 pm     #   2 people liked this

Foodie posted at 03:08:28 PM on May 10, 2013:

Dear God, he's opening his show today with the 15 year old...I'm off to Sirius.

You and me both, Foodie. As soon as I tried Sirius, I realized I'd never go back to AM/FM.

And I say this as a former employee of the radio industry, for 10 years.

posted by Sohio on May 10, 2013 at 06:05:29 pm     #  

Sohio posted at 06:05:29 PM on May 10, 2013:
Foodie posted at 03:08:28 PM on May 10, 2013:

Dear God, he's opening his show today with the 15 year old...I'm off to Sirius.

You and me both, Foodie. As soon as I tried Sirius, I realized I'd never go back to AM/FM.

And I say this as a former employee of the radio industry, for 10 years.

Yeah. I bought a car with XM in 2007, and haven't listened to much terrestrial since. Now it's in most of the cars and the house. I have gotten a little tired of the rotation on Sirius, and have been listening to CDs. Forgot what things sounded like before they all got compressed to hell.

I've never heard Johnny D. I occasionally listen to fred during the morning routine. Once I am out of the shower, I don't hear another radio all day.

posted by justread on May 10, 2013 at 07:26:54 pm     #  

Radio still has hope. But it has to be given back to creative people, not suits insisting entire stations be run (in somewhat large markets) with zero...or maybe one...live, local person.

I'd rather download podcasts and save the $14+ dollars myself. But Sirius has some good stuff, no doubt.

posted by oldhometown on May 10, 2013 at 07:29:09 pm     #  

justread posted at 07:26:54 PM on May 10, 2013:
Sohio posted at 06:05:29 PM on May 10, 2013:
Foodie posted at 03:08:28 PM on May 10, 2013:

Dear God, he's opening his show today with the 15 year old...I'm off to Sirius.

You and me both, Foodie. As soon as I tried Sirius, I realized I'd never go back to AM/FM.

And I say this as a former employee of the radio industry, for 10 years.

Yeah. I bought a car with XM in 2007, and haven't listened to much terrestrial since. Now it's in most of the cars and the house. I have gotten a little tired of the rotation on Sirius, and have been listening to CDs. Forgot what things sounded like before they all got compressed to hell.

I've never heard Johnny D. I occasionally listen to fred during the morning routine. Once I am out of the shower, I don't hear another radio all day.

1.) Johny D (yes, he's even a douchebag when spelling his on-air name...only 1 "n") was a prick 18-20 years ago on KISS-FM and remains so today. What exactly was going to change?

If we were going to recycle another old Toledo disc jockey into a talk host locally, my vote would be for Scott Sloan (who actually used to be on WSPD). He's not bad on WLW.

2.) ...have been listening to CDs. Forgot what things sounded like before they all got compressed to hell.

Yes. Most music features a bass line and cymbals, properly heard, don't sound like they're dragging across the floor.

posted by oldhometown on May 10, 2013 at 07:33:59 pm     #  

I listened to and enjoyed Sloan. Miss his take on talk radio.

posted by Foodie on May 10, 2013 at 09:36:26 pm     #  

Scott is on 9 til noon weekdays,,,you can pickup WLW in Toledo...700 on the am dial.

posted by max on May 10, 2013 at 10:10:43 pm     #  

Thanks max - I was unaware.

posted by Foodie on May 10, 2013 at 10:44:01 pm     #  

Radio still has hope. But it has to be given back to creative people, not suits insisting entire stations be run (in somewhat large markets) with zero...or maybe one...live, local person.

I have said that for YEARS, Hometown. I stayed in radio for quite a while, clinging to the hope that a renaissance was afoot. It took too long for my liking, so I got out--it simply was not fun anymore (for me, anyway). But I still think it may happen some day. I don't really think the AM and FM bands are going to up and disappear any time soon. But the fact is that they are not, on a large scale, offering anything people can't get elsewhere; and the fact that they offer it for free has only bought them some time. It is getting to the point where the things you have to pay for are more interesting and versatile so people don't mind paying for them. WIOT is a perfect example of this: any of us who remember how WIOT USED to be realize it is a ghost of its former self, and speaking for myself, knowing what it used to be compared to what it is now has made it impossible for me to listen to that station for even one minute. I'm not talking about musical tastes here, I am talking strictly about presentation. The way I see it, the best thing radio has going for it is that it CAN be given a local edge...and if they don't get back to that mindset, I can't see how they are going to compete in the future. But that's just me...

posted by Sohio on May 10, 2013 at 10:50:19 pm     #  

Personally, I would never pay to listen to the radio.

posted by deere1 on May 11, 2013 at 12:21:38 pm     #  

I'd love to have Sloany back on WSPD. His drivetime show was entertaining. I'd actually start listening again.

I'm not sure what could be done with the morning show to make it worthwhile. I like Bob Frantz and all but even he wasn't that great. What we need is a Paul W Smith like Detoit has. He talks politics without being overly partisan. He passionately loves his city despite its faults.

posted by taliesin52 on May 11, 2013 at 03:20:28 pm     #  

Funny you should mention those three...all have been with WSPD in the past and have been lost to other Clear Channel stations. As I mentioned, Sloan can be heard on 700 WLW..9 til noon weekdays.....Frantz may be heard on 1100 WTAM 7 til midnite weekdays and of course former morning man at WSPD, Paul W. is doing mornings on WJR. All are gone, but may still be heard in Toledo....all you need do is spin the dial.

posted by max on May 11, 2013 at 03:55:28 pm     #  

Opps, allow me to clarify myself. WJR is not, never was, a Clear Channel corporate station. It is owned by the former Toledo based Cumulus Broadcasting chain, now located in Atlanta. The three are all 50,000 watt "clear channel" operations as designated by the FCC.

posted by max on May 11, 2013 at 04:04:38 pm     #  

I didn't know about Bob being heard here but I listen to Paul W every morning and have since Wilson drove me from WSPD.

posted by taliesin52 on May 11, 2013 at 05:41:31 pm     #  

Forgot what things sounded like before they all got compressed to hell.

Glad to hear someone else mention that, justread. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one noticing this trend...

posted by Sohio on May 13, 2013 at 11:59:42 am     #