Toledo Talk

Murder/suicide

http://news.yahoo.com/custody-dispute-eyed-deaths-5-ohio-075707300.html

Very tragic. I'll never understand why some custody disputes end in the murder of innocent children. If you're going to commit suicide, don't take innocents with you.

There is something very odd about this story. I realize the grandmother had custody of the kids since 2009, according to reports. But for the grandmother and adult son to somehow together decide it would be better to kill themselves along with the kids (dogs and cat, too) is just very unusual.

created by bikerdude on Nov 13, 2012 at 07:44:04 am     News     Comments: 18

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I agree Bikerdude. When I first heard this story I said that is so sad...and then later they found out it was a murder suicide..I thought to myself something just doesn't add up.

posted by stooks on Nov 13, 2012 at 07:59:21 am     #  

Nothing could possibly add up when you kill three kids. Sickening.

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 13, 2012 at 08:34:29 am     #   1 person liked this

This is so sad...Poor babies..

posted by karen on Nov 13, 2012 at 09:00:51 am     #  

terrible :(

posted by upso on Nov 13, 2012 at 09:13:34 am     #  

Just terrible. There are better ways to handle your problems.

posted by Hoops on Nov 13, 2012 at 10:17:29 am     #  

Just sickening. If you decide your problems are SO bad the only thing to do is kill yourself, fine, but ffs, don't take innocent children (and pets) with you. It's unforgivably selfish.

R.I.P. children.

posted by JeepMaker on Nov 13, 2012 at 10:23:28 am     #  

Selfish people willing to do unspeakable things just so others don't "win".

The killing of the pets was a particularly grotesque touch. We've all seen the "kill the kids" horror before, but adding Fido and Fluffy really gives this one another good gut punch.

posted by oldhometown on Nov 13, 2012 at 12:17:06 pm     #  

Incredibly sad story. But two things jumped out at me:

"Toledo po­lice Sgt. Joe Hef­fer­nan said the el­der Mr. Ford re­turned home from work Mon­day af­ter­noon and found notes from his wife, son, and grand­chil­dren."

The kids wrote suicide notes? How screwed up of a situation must it have been in that house that the kids would be complicit in this type of thing?

"Toledo fire crews used a sledge­ham­mer to force en­try into the ga­rage where they found the five dead, along with two dogs and a cat. The breeds of the an­i­mals were not avail­able late Mon­day."

Seriously, Blade? The last thing I give a shit about is what kind of cat it was. If you don't know what breeds the animals were, that's fine. You can add that in a later edition. I doubt many readers are wondering whether the cat was a tabby or not. They are most likely thinking about the people that died.

posted by Ace_Face on Nov 13, 2012 at 12:50:37 pm     #   3 people liked this

The kids wrote suicide notes? How screwed up of a situation must it have been in that house that the kids would be complicit in this type of thing?

In the interest of not getting rumors started, I just want to point out that the quote you referenced does not specifically mention suicide notes--just notes. We don't know the content of those notes, or if the kids actually even wrote them at all.

What a completely tragic and heartbreaking situation for all involved.

posted by valbee on Nov 13, 2012 at 03:07:21 pm     #  

This is beyond a sad situation. The adults must truly be insane to do such a thing.

posted by jackie on Nov 13, 2012 at 06:12:02 pm     #  

Past tense, they were insane. Why they had to take the kids and pets with them is whats disturbing.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 13, 2012 at 08:00:25 pm     #  

My biggest question is about the son. I can see that the grandmother/mother was upset at her daughter for wanting the kids back, and that she might want to hurt the daughter, people commit suicide to hurt other people all the time, but how did she convince a 32 year old man that he needed to go along with the idea? Wonder if she drugged them all first? Also have to wonder how much the husband/father knew? Feel very sad for him, he lost a whole lot of his life there.

posted by nana on Nov 15, 2012 at 08:55:49 am     #  

So, the kids are dropped off at school by 9:00 in the morning, but never show up in class, and the school knows this within an hour? And the police are contacted, and a suspect is identified soon after? And there has been a recent domestic situation at this suspect's house? And no one checks the suspect's residence for over 6 hours, including the police?

Shouldn't the police be getting some heat here?

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 15, 2012 at 09:34:47 am     #  

One of the articles I read quoted one of the police depts - Sylvania Twp I think - saying they sent an officer over to the grandmother's about 10'ish but there was no answer.

There has been no time line released to say when things happened so it's hard to say if that was too early, too late, or they should have kicked the door down.

Clearly even the mother didn't expect something like this or else she would have been beating down the grandmother's door. Or at least I would have been.

posted by MrsArcher on Nov 15, 2012 at 09:55:19 am     #  

Wouldn't the hoses leading from the running truck backed up to the garage door give the police some wort of clue that something was wrong? I had the article read to me and I seem to remember that being in it.

posted by Linecrosser on Nov 15, 2012 at 11:29:33 am     #  

I believe it was a two car garage with both vehicles located in the garage with the garage door shut.

posted by justphillips on Nov 15, 2012 at 11:43:33 am     #  

justphillips posted at 10:43:33 AM on Nov 15, 2012:

I believe it was a two car garage with both vehicles located in the garage with the garage door shut.

Yes. The truck has been moved since the photos taken Monday night.

posted by justread on Nov 15, 2012 at 01:12:02 pm     #  

The article said that the 3 animals (2 shepherd mixes and a cat) were on the front seat of the car, with the five humans in the back. Did she kill the animals first or what? I can't see 3 animals calmly sitting in the front of a car for longer than 30 seconds.

posted by dell_diva on Nov 15, 2012 at 04:05:24 pm     #