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Whitmer Football

It seems all the other teams that were crying fowl were right. I remember the administration saying they were 100% sure everyone was legit (even though the other teams better). I remember the whistle blower getting some heat. It seems someone's head should roll, doesn't it?

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/20393787/washington-local-to-pay-50000-forfeit-2011-2012-wins-after-ohsaa-investigation

created by Molsonator on Dec 28, 2012 at 09:50:38 am     Sports     Comments: 25

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The investigation centered on a student who transferred to Whitmer from another district and participated in athletics.

That never happens with Catholic schools.

I thought the problem with Whitmer was that the athlete did not sit out a year of sports after making the transfer. I don't think that simply switching public school districts is a problem.

posted by jr on Dec 28, 2012 at 10:15:14 am     #  

Apples and Oranges Jr. Plus if the kid sat out (wasn't he a senior?) he would not have played at all. There were concerns with 4 or 5 other players that moved from one district to Whitmer - although their families did not move. Why did the head coach take off?

posted by Molsonator on Dec 28, 2012 at 10:20:11 am     #  

Between the fine and legal cost, the district spent around $150K. Explain that to the voters next time

posted by Hoops on Dec 28, 2012 at 10:48:18 am     #   2 people liked this

I would hate to be Avon Lake who's team in 2011 missed the playoffs and would have been in had Whitmer been disqualified.

posted by Molsonator on Dec 28, 2012 at 12:23:43 pm     #  

As I graduated from Whitmer and still live in the district I am upset about this too. I wrote a note to the superintendent of schools citing my concerns. He wrote back a scathing note saying they were "court ordered" to play the player involved. The kid did move into the district with his mother but....

I am embarrassed about this whole incident. I thought our schools were better than this. I do know our schools still excel academically but the power of sports surprises me.

posted by jackie on Dec 28, 2012 at 01:20:32 pm     #  

If the superintendent was telling the truth, I wonder who petitioned (probably not the right legal term) the court to force them to play him? Something doesn't sound right here.

posted by Molsonator on Dec 28, 2012 at 01:52:50 pm     #  

IMO...this isn't college, kids should be allowed to play immediately if they move in district for public schools as the parents make the choice.

I think they were court ordered to play the kid which makes this whole thing a lose/lose situation for WLS. I don't like Hickey, nor have I liked Snook so it's just another thing to not like them about. Glad I stayed away from that district.

posted by avinsurer on Dec 28, 2012 at 03:53:03 pm     #  

I think if you move in, you can play. I think its when they can't show proof they are living there. In some cases kids were saying they lived with their Aunt or Uncle.

posted by Molsonator on Dec 28, 2012 at 04:11:30 pm     #  

Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eaters. Whitmers Coach, AD, ASST Coaches all know the rules. They even admitted to spending several hours doing their due dilligence. Yeah right. They knew they wouldnt have been the team they were without the player they let play. I wish they would just admit that they were desperate for a state championship since its been a while.

posted by tgarvin on Dec 31, 2012 at 04:05:14 pm     #   1 person liked this

tgarvin posted at 03:05:14 PM on Dec 31, 2012:

Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eaters. Whitmers Coach, AD, ASST Coaches all know the rules. They even admitted to spending several hours doing their due dilligence. Yeah right. They knew they wouldnt have been the team they were without the player they let play. I wish they would just admit that they were desperate for a state championship since its been a while.

Do you play for one of their opposing teams?

posted by slowsol on Dec 31, 2012 at 04:53:38 pm     #  

Can't see what they gained by using this player. The entire football and basketball season 2011 was vacated.

posted by jackie on Dec 31, 2012 at 05:40:43 pm     #  

Sooo let me get this straight, they are being punished for playing a player they were force to play because of a court order, and now are forfeiting 2 seasons and paying a fine because they played a innelegable player that they were forced to play???????

posted by Linecrosser on Dec 31, 2012 at 05:45:51 pm     #  

Linecrosser - I'm with you. Something doesn't seem right here. A couple of sleepless nights ago I tried to find the OHAA's findings but couldn't. All I could find is a very vanilla comment. If they were forced to play him - maybe the family of the player should pay all the court cost and fines???

posted by Molsonator on Dec 31, 2012 at 07:35:54 pm     #  

The Holley twins have accepted full athletic schollies to Kent State University. Congrats to these fine young men, and good luck as they move on to the next level.

posted by papajoe21 on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:21:12 pm     #  

Nice! That's awesome!

posted by Molsonator on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:31:08 pm     #  

the "very very very " good relationship between the OSHAA head and the Superintendent is flat out fishy. And I gotta roll my eyes at the daily devotional, too. How very pious.....gimme a break.

Whitmer broke the rules, and in my opinion, willingly did so. As for the Catholic schools and recruiting....well, that is a separate issue, however, it does go on and it is patently unfair to public schools that are bounded by geographic areas. Even if one concedes to no recruiting, the Catholic schools still hold an unfair advantage by not having geographic boundaries.

"":http://www.toledoblade.com/HighSchool/2013/02/03/Whitmer-sports-inquiry-still-spawning-questions-even-after-closure-of-17-month-OHSAA-investigation.html

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:31:57 pm     #  

WOW and I mean WOW! from that article referenced above.

"Game forfeitures stemming from seven ineligible athletes whom the OHSAA alleged were noncompliant because they didnít actually reside in the Washington Local district, or because they did not meet transfer requirements, were pardoned. Instead, the district was told it only had to forfeit 14 football games and 19 basketball games from the 2011-12 school year because of the play of the central figure of the investigation, football and basketball standout LeRoy Alexander.

A threat to suspend Whitmerís membership in the OHSAA also went away."

posted by Molsonator on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:41:14 pm     #  

More from the article

"Although names of the seven student-athletes the OHSAA determined to be ineligible were redacted from documents obtained by The Blade, a source close to the OHSAA investigation said the four nontransfers are siblings Emileen and Tyler Palka, and twin brothers Nick and Nate Holley, all of whom the OHSAA found to be residents of Michigan and Ohio."

posted by Molsonator on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:43:29 pm     #  

It was no secret that the Palka kids were living in Michigan, breaking one of the basic rules. Perhaps part of the reason Coach Palka hitched up the wagons to Saline before this report was finished.
The Holley kids should do well at KSU, one of the brothers was only offerred a preferred walk-on status at UT.

posted by Hoops on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:56:38 pm     #  

Hoops posted at 11:56:38 AM on Feb 05, 2013:

It was no secret that the Palka kids were living in Michigan, breaking one of the basic rules. Perhaps part of the reason Coach Palka hitched up the wagons to Saline before this report was finished.
The Holley kids should do well at KSU, one of the brothers was only offerred a preferred walk-on status at UT.

haha....gee, ya think he got outta Dodge? It couldnt be more obvioius.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:59:39 pm     #  

So both Holley kids were offered full rides in football to Kent State?

posted by Molsonator on Feb 05, 2013 at 01:01:30 pm     #  

As my ex-husband was a teacher in WLSD eons ago I know there was an understanding that your children could attend the school where you were teaching. As we already lived in the district I just sent my daughters off to the grade school where we lived. So, I kinda forgive the Palka children.

But there is absolutely no reason not to comply with all the rules, especially when it involved athletes from other districts. As a graduate of Whitmer and someone who has always lived in the school district I am ashamed of the administrators. And I am none too happy to have to pay my portion of the penalty.

I believe a new superintendent of school should be in the mix ASAP.

I still believe we have an excellent school system and will continue to support it. But my days of giving to the Athletic Boosters are over.

posted by jackie on Feb 05, 2013 at 01:42:29 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 01:01:30 PM on Feb 05, 2013:

So both Holley kids were offered full rides in football to Kent State?

partials

posted by papajoe21 on Apr 01, 2013 at 03:03:39 pm     #  

Jackie...you are clueless. WLS has a HUGE problem with out of district kids trying to attend their schools. I can promise you that the superintendent and AD, acting on the information that they had, believed that ALL of the kids in question lived in the district.

Also Buckeye Bulldog, it depends on the district. In many districts, there is a clause in the contract that says that teachers kids can go to school legally in that district if their parent(s) are employed there, no matter where they live. The Palka kid could have lived on the moon. As long as his dad was employed by WLS, he was (according to OHSAA rules) eligible.

Palka got a $20,000+ pay raise to go to Saline, Michigan. He was also given a promotion to assistant AD. Let me guess Buckeye Bulldog...you would have turned that down.

posted by Dappling2 on Apr 01, 2013 at 06:21:34 pm     #  

papajoe21 posted at 03:03:39 PM on Apr 01, 2013:
Molsonator posted at 01:01:30 PM on Feb 05, 2013:

So both Holley kids were offered full rides in football to Kent State?

partials

FBS can't give partials. Only FCS and below can.

posted by BusterBluth on Apr 01, 2013 at 06:30:22 pm     #