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Quimby's In The Park is closed

It looks as if Quimby's downtown has closed at least for the rest of the winter. A sign on the door says, "Gone fishing. See you in the spring."

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GuestZero posted at 07:15:56 AM on Jan 16, 2013:

Endcycle said: How about we go somewhere with both a liquor license AND good coffee where we could also hold a conversation?

I don't have a problem with that. Jim said he'd prefer it that way, and his opinion carries great weight for me. Naturally, if I find myself surrounded by obnoxious drunks, I'll have to leave. I never understood drunkenness, Toledoans have that sort of thing BAD, and I don't have to put up with it.

Well cool. I'll start 2 threads at some point in the near future then if everyone else is into the idea. First thread will be a timing thread - people can chime in with their general avails and the second thread will be the "this is where we're meeting and when" non-debatable thread. I'll make it explicitly clear that anywhere we meet, whether it be a bar or wherever, the expectation will be that attendees don't get drunk.

posted by endcycle on Jan 16, 2013 at 10:32:43 am     #  

Here's something similar from three years ago.

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/49311/09Jan2010/Poll-ToledoTalk-Meetupdates-times-locations

posted by jr on Jan 16, 2013 at 11:04:57 am     #  

man, that thread got weird in a hurry. :) talk about paranoia.

posted by endcycle on Jan 16, 2013 at 11:50:35 am     #  

Back in the day you had drunk Gary threatening everyone in ear shot…good times, good time. I wind up going, had a nice time. I think I’ll pass a public gathering this time, if someone wants to get a beer some time, private message me or e-mail me – SensorG at yahoo dot com.

posted by SensorG on Jan 16, 2013 at 12:22:22 pm     #   1 person liked this

I'd have to agree SensorG. While I'm sure all of you (well, most of you) are fine, upstanding, law abiding citizens, I have no idea if or who the whackos in the group might be - nor do you know that about me.

My preference is to not grow our relationship beyond this message board.

posted by Foodie on Jan 16, 2013 at 02:22:46 pm     #   3 people liked this

Foodie said: My preference is to not grow our relationship beyond this message board.

Understandable. And yet I've personally met Madjack, Kateb, Jim Avolt, Steven Flagg and others, I still know them to some degree, and I am fortunate to have that.

I note that in all previous meetups, 'paranoia' was the expectation, but nothing untoward happened, except for Mike's legendary breaking up the place in some coffeehouse. Boy, you can't take that guy anywhere. LOL!

posted by GuestZero on Jan 16, 2013 at 03:35:07 pm     #  

Pete said: I'm still trying to figure out why any TT posters would want to meet with you.

Maybe everyone's crazy, but you. I hear tinfoil helps with that.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 16, 2013 at 03:37:52 pm     #  

From SensorG: Back in the day you had drunk Gary threatening everyone...

Yeah, and Gary wasn't the only one. HistoryMike was having trouble with some kind of swastika-sporting jarheads who took exception to an article he wrote or something, and it was clear that the loons on SwampBubbles were a long way from the reality the rest of us lived in.

Then there was GuestZero who had everyone convinced that he was armed to the teeth and now some deranged individual had gone and sold him bullets for his gat - or gats, as the case likely is. Bullets, real live bullets. Think of that!

I complained that we weren't meeting at a bar somewhere, and being about as familiar with coffee shops as I am with Hobby Lobby, I ordered something off the menu that caused me to vibrate like an overtightened violin string being tormented by a Toledo Public School System grade school student.

Truly, an interesting time. GZ turned out to be the sanest of the lot. OhioKimono has surprising leadership and management abilities. HistoryMike has good intentions but is bigger and klutzier than I would have ever believed.

I'd like to see everyone again, plus a few more people.

posted by madjack on Jan 16, 2013 at 04:08:27 pm     #  

HistoryMike's never gonna live that down. Well, to the point, we will never let him live that down. Lotsa laffs.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 16, 2013 at 04:21:54 pm     #  

Prior meetings have always been relaxing and comfortable. I recall enjoying discussions and breaking bread with other TT'ers over the years.

I look forward to the upcoming event regardless of the venue.

posted by jimavolt on Jan 16, 2013 at 07:49:24 pm     #  

Might be in for this.

Jacko--you mentioned sending me a 'personal message' on here awhile back...wasn't blowing you off, I just don't know how to access that.

posted by McCaskey on Jan 18, 2013 at 01:31:23 pm     #  

Click on your name then click micro blog

posted by upso on Jan 18, 2013 at 02:56:28 pm     #  

Well cool. Let me get through the next few weeks of craziness at work and then I'll post something. :)

posted by endcycle on Jan 18, 2013 at 03:58:05 pm     #  

It looks like Quimbys owner has changed his mind about closing until spring. I drove past the place around 7:45 pm and they were open. Of course, they didn't have any customers, but that isn't anything they aren't already used to seeing.

I suppose they will get 5-10 customers post Walleye game tonight, so things are again looking upward at Quimbys and the downtown Toledo bar scene.

:)

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 18, 2013 at 09:30:01 pm     #  

I sure hope 5-10 customers covers the cost of a bartender, a cook, a server, food, and gas/electric for 6 hours. Any of you experienced bar/restaurant owners want to run some of those numbers for us? Thanks.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 18, 2013 at 10:09:48 pm     #  

Quimby's is not opening. It is having private parties. Don't get your diapers in a knot, GZ.

posted by pete on Jan 18, 2013 at 10:41:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

Sorry to bring up questions about real economics, Pete. I know they make you break out in hives or something.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 01:31:26 am     #  

GZ, he corrected your assumption. Don't try to make it like you were talking over his head or something and he couldn't get it.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 19, 2013 at 02:09:38 am     #   1 person liked this

GuestZero posted at 09:09:48 PM on Jan 18, 2013:

I sure hope 5-10 customers covers the cost of a bartender, a cook, a server, food, and gas/electric for 6 hours. Any of you experienced bar/restaurant owners want to run some of those numbers for us? Thanks.

Honest question, and I don't mean to be rude, but why are you being such an asshole?

I know literally nothing about Quimby's, so I won't pretend to. But I do go out downtown when I'm home and generally like to know what's going on in Toledo, and I've never even heard of the place. I've walked by it a few times and have always liked the building, but obviously they don't do a great job of getting the word out.

Anywho, if you're walking from the Huntington Center, it's >1/4 miles (that's a threshold) and you'd pass like five places on the walk. If you walked out of Fifth Third, you're immediately adjacent to other, hipper, places. Simply saying, if Quimby's isn't an "anchor" (i.e. a real draw) it's not exactly in a prime location. If we had the power of God to physically lift up that building (which is beautiful) and place to the south of Table Forty 4 (where those AT&T trucks sit)...then we'd probably be having a different conversation.

It would be awesome if San Marcos were willing to fork over the cash and move there. It'd be a significant perk for the residents in the neighborhood.

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 19, 2013 at 02:54:08 am     #   4 people liked this

anonymouscoward posted at 09:00:04 PM on Jan 10, 2013:
Johio83 posted at 10:00:12 AM on Jan 10, 2013:

I'm not entirely sure what his point was (mostly because this thread is way too long and I don't feel like figuring out how far back I need to go to figure out what that was in reference to, etc) but I think I might know what he's saying. The Short North really isn't anywhere near downtown Columbus, nor is it a good representation of a "downtown" environment. It's basically just High Street, which is urban enough, but everything behind it is just regular house-lined streets. It's more like a standard neighborhood that happens to have a "main street" attached to it than a downtown setting.

Exactly. Short North is not Downtown Toledo. There's people around to support business after 5pm. Nobody's in downtown after 5pm unless there's a game or concert on.

As someone who lives down the street (High Street, of course) from the Short North, I think I can actually comment on this.

"Isn't anywhere near downtown Columbus" is a weird way to put it. Columbus' downtown is massive (in terms of land area), so there's that to consider. What part of downtown are you talking about? Scioto Mile...it's not close. Arena District...it's very close.

I digress...

The Short North is wonderfully success because IT'S A FUCKING NEIGHBORHOOD (not only that, it is a first-ring neighborhood so it's literally adjacent to downtown. It's like if the Toledo WHD were where the Art Museum is). Successful policies in Columbus revitalized a neighborhood it created the real economic successes we see today. Toledo's answer to a crumbling downtown (which every city had) was to build a downtown mall....literally the worst idea you could have. Toledo's policies need to be catered towards getting as many residents living in the WHD as possible so that it hits critical mass. A neighborhood is economically sustainable. Thus, anonymouscoward is 1000000000% correct.

I've probably said this on here before, but the success of Toledo's best hope for an urban neighborhood begins and ends in the Berdan Building. If that sits vacant, progress will be a tug-of-war and move and a snail's pace. That the gov't put their support behind revitalizing the Fiberglas building is shameful. That isn't a neighborhood.

That is also why I would advocate stopping the YMCA from moving into the power plant and instead taking over the Erie Street Market. Everything Toledo does should be about creating a neighborhood in the WHD, most of the other stuff is just a waste of money.

Comparing the Short North and any part of Toledo is silly though. The Short North is a neighborhood with perfect geographical advantages (e.g. it's proximity). Toledo has great potential in its first-ring neighborhood, the OWE, but their is no urban center there equivalent to High Street; Black Kite Coffee is the entire OWE downtown, no?

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 19, 2013 at 03:18:16 am     #   3 people liked this

GZ, you are a rude, obnoxious jerk. I have been running a business for over fifteen years and am still successfully paying the bills. So much for your remark about my understanding of "real economics".

posted by pete on Jan 19, 2013 at 10:56:17 am     #   12 people liked this

Please don't feed the troll!

posted by holland on Jan 19, 2013 at 12:10:27 pm     #   4 people liked this

Pernicious Pete proposed: GZ, you are a rude, obnoxious jerk.

At the top of this page, it seems that you started this thread. So you asked for it (the truth, I mean).

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 04:14:21 pm     #  

Hey GZ,

We are still waiting for you, over on the politics board, to elaborate on how liberals are responsible for the Giffords shooting in a state with some of the most relaxed concealed-carry laws in the nation?

You made that assertion a few days ago and we have not heard from you since.

C'mon back over. We want to hear all about it! Come on back and give us some more TRUTH.

posted by Sohio on Jan 19, 2013 at 04:22:30 pm     #   5 people liked this

Jovial Johio jeered: GZ, he corrected your assumption.

No, he flailed about for any possible alternative explanation, and he grasped a straw by chance that best served his propagandistic purpose.

And my question still stands. What are the numbers for what I proposed? All I hear out there from you cheerleaders is the chirping of crickets on that account.

Also, and again this is a serious question: If you're open for a private party, then why is your "OPEN" sign lit? Doesn't that commonly mean open to the public? It only stands to reason that you don't want the common public walking in on a private party.

Further: Why in the case of Quimby's is there a new sign posted, stating it's open on Fridays 8pm? The sign of "gone fishing" is gone. Odd, that. Can you answer, Johio? Answer for yourself this time, not for others who in all their mental retardation do not merit defense?

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 04:23:37 pm     #  

why don't you call and ask the owner? lots of speculation going on here.

posted by upso on Jan 19, 2013 at 04:27:12 pm     #   1 person liked this

Pete pettily pointed out: So much for your remark about my understanding of "real economics".

Read it again. I didn't say anything about your understanding of such. I just said you break out in hives or something. That's really a direct commentary on how uncomfortable questions about real economics make you when your personal interest is crossed in the matter.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 04:29:32 pm     #  

UPSO said so: why don't you call and ask the owner?

Why UPSO, you dashing rogue, how dare you interfere with our fun. Perhaps I'll do as you ask. I have my ways.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 04:31:27 pm     #  

You have your ways? You mean, like, asking the owner? You act like we're discussing government secrets here, but you happen to have an guy on the inside.

I was in both the Blarney and CnB last night, and both were packed. How do you explain that, in this desolate wasteland that is downtown Toledo?

posted by Johio83 on Jan 19, 2013 at 05:21:33 pm     #  

Buster, the Fibeglas Tower / Berdan Building issue was done the right way. The Eyde Company could put up 1/3rd of the funding for the Fiberglas, and RE could only out up 5% for Berdan. The city made the right choice in which group to back, because Eyde had a much better plan laid out.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 19, 2013 at 06:05:09 pm     #  

That's pretty sad that RE could only put 5% down. Thank you for the info. How much was the total though, for each?

The point was that if we could pick between the Berdan Building and Fiberglas Tower (funding situations being equal, I guess) you have to side with Berdan every time. A renovated Berdan is right in the middle of the WHD. It's in the center of all of the action, and completing it gives us a real cluster of residential development. Triangle, Bartley, Berdan, 100 S. Huron, etc. That's noticeable, and it might bethe critical mass we need.

Nevertheless, professors down here at OSU have said that the Fiberglas building is a pretty unique situation worthy of some national planning attention, it's literally a vertical brownfield. But Fiberglas isn't a neighborhood. It's a corporate skyscraper surrounded by other corporate skyscrapers. That means is mostly a standalone building.

We have to recognize that Downtown Toledo is more or less bifurcated by the placement of the two stadiums and the SeaGate Center. They are needed, but because of their placement they are big walls that inhibit walkability big time. Anything east of Monroe is a totally different animal.

Is the Fiberglass renovation actually going to happen?

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 19, 2013 at 06:31:53 pm     #  

from my understanding, having regular conversations with all developers involved
fiberglass IS happening (just not at the pace some of us would like to see) and berdan is ALSO happening.

i suspect (and don't quote or hold me to this) that we'll see berdan come to completion first.

posted by upso on Jan 19, 2013 at 06:38:55 pm     #  

Wouldn't you like to know, Johio. It's best to keep you in suspense.

As for your anecdote, bother to read what I've been writing above. Reduced hours only partially handle overhead costs. A few successful days a week is still not a valid business model. Overall the downtown is a bunch of grapes withering on the shriveling vine. A few grapes here and there retain their firm juiciness. The rest are just raisins. Ew.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 06:43:39 pm     #  

Yet every year, the net total of bars and restaurants goes up. So if it's just grapes withering on the vine, why are they becoming more plentiful?

posted by Johio83 on Jan 19, 2013 at 06:52:23 pm     #  

Buster, I think most downtowners are in agreement that the Berdan is a crucial step toward sustained success. I've heard my share of positive rumors, and knowing that upso is friends with some if my moat reliable sources, I'm betting we have the same info. Hopefully it works out, because that would be one heck of a chance for downtown to prove itself.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 19, 2013 at 06:56:51 pm     #  

*some of my most reliable sources

posted by Johio83 on Jan 19, 2013 at 06:58:25 pm     #  

Buster said: it's literally a vertical brownfield

I keep hearing about the asbestos issues with the building. Also, the decaying window tinting suggests that wholesale window treatment, re-tinting or even replacement would be required. That can't be cheap.

The downtown is lousy (lice-lousy) with empty office space and empty warehouse space. There's no particular economic reason to look at the FTower and conclude that it's a renovation target. It would be a big burst of empty space to re-introduce into Toledo shriveling property market, particularly the downtown market. The building is really designed for a bustling downtown with the previous era's economic potential. That means it would fill on its own with offices, a few shops and a restaurant. There's no latent demand for those things now; what little demand does exist, is easily fulfilled with suburban properties.

Sadly, if the City of Toledo had actually found a federal or state sponsored sucker with 10 million bucks, it would have used it to demo the building by now.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 06:59:24 pm     #  

The raisins are becoming plentiful, Johio. Each is still shriveling. That's been the unanswered and frankly rhetorical question from the very first part of this thread: Is having fewer hours of operation really a sustainable business model for a bar/restaurant?

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 07:16:38 pm     #  

GZ, agreed that it'll be a huge introduction of space onto the market, and it will be one heck of a litmus test to see if it can be supported.

But you seem to ignore the fact that downtown has the lowest residential vacancy rate of any metro-area neighborhood. Yes, there are plenty of empty offices and warehouses, but there is a demand for living space.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 19, 2013 at 07:33:42 pm     #  

Sohio posted at 03:22:30 PM on Jan 19, 2013:

Hey GZ,

We are still waiting for you, over on the politics board, to elaborate on how liberals are responsible for the Giffords shooting in a state with some of the most relaxed concealed-carry laws in the nation?

You made that assertion a few days ago and we have not heard from you since.

C'mon back over. We want to hear all about it! Come on back and give us some more TRUTH.

"As you are a liberal I think you should turn it in or destroy it ..."

"Of course, if you're one of those liberals who can talk the talk but not walk the walk then by all means, sell it to a conservative pawn shop owner ..."

"I am pretty sure Ivory was already politicized."

Reminder:

bottom of the site --> about --> posting guidelines --> political discussions :

Practice a little comment moderation or restraint. If it's a thread in the politics forum, then knock yourselves out. I have no problem with that. But we don't need every thread hijacked to be a political discussion. Leave politics out of non-political threads. If you need to introduce politics, then simply start a new thread and move it to the politics or local-politics forums. The political fanatics will not ride roughshod over this site.

If a response in this ivory thread contained some political info, but it was still useful to the person asking the question, that would be okay. But obviously, the political comments in this thread are useless.

It's easy. If you have nothing helpful to add to this thread, and you cannot prevent yourself from spouting something, then simply start a new thread and move it to the politics forum and vent your views on ivory.

Next, I will remove the useless, political comments, and I will not do as AC suggested and provide an explanation for comment removal because it's rare that I delete a comment, but the reason is always the same: posting guideline violation. And the main violation is going off-kilter with political spew in a non-political thread.

! posted by jr on Jan 14, 2013 at 12:58:18 pm # + 7 people liked this

posted by Linecrosser on Jan 19, 2013 at 08:22:44 pm     #  

In response to statements above: the fiberglass tower is remediated of all asbestos. Over the past two years the building has been gutted and is very clean inside.

Berdan has major structural issues and I have heard for the past two years that without a replaced roof, the building won't last another winter. It has (obviously) made it through, but it's time is limited.

The fiberglass tower doesn't work as residential only. It's way too big. There has to be a mix of uses, or floors left unbuilt.

posted by slowsol on Jan 19, 2013 at 09:04:05 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 07:22:44 PM on Jan 19, 2013:
Sohio posted at 03:22:30 PM on Jan 19, 2013:

Hey GZ,

We are still waiting for you, over on the politics board, to elaborate on how liberals are responsible for the Giffords shooting in a state with some of the most relaxed concealed-carry laws in the nation?

You made that assertion a few days ago and we have not heard from you since.

C'mon back over. We want to hear all about it! Come on back and give us some more TRUTH.

"As you are a liberal I think you should turn it in or destroy it ..."

"Of course, if you're one of those liberals who can talk the talk but not walk the walk then by all means, sell it to a conservative pawn shop owner ..."

"I am pretty sure Ivory was already politicized."

Reminder:

bottom of the site --> about --> posting guidelines --> political discussions :

Practice a little comment moderation or restraint. If it's a thread in the politics forum, then knock yourselves out. I have no problem with that. But we don't need every thread hijacked to be a political discussion. Leave politics out of non-political threads. If you need to introduce politics, then simply start a new thread and move it to the politics or local-politics forums. The political fanatics will not ride roughshod over this site.

If a response in this ivory thread contained some political info, but it was still useful to the person asking the question, that would be okay. But obviously, the political comments in this thread are useless.

It's easy. If you have nothing helpful to add to this thread, and you cannot prevent yourself from spouting something, then simply start a new thread and move it to the politics forum and vent your views on ivory.

Next, I will remove the useless, political comments, and I will not do as AC suggested and provide an explanation for comment removal because it's rare that I delete a comment, but the reason is always the same: posting guideline violation. And the main violation is going off-kilter with political spew in a non-political thread.

! posted by jr on Jan 14, 2013 at 12:58:18 pm # + 7 people liked this

Duly noted.

posted by Sohio on Jan 19, 2013 at 09:12:59 pm     #  

Slowsol, the Fiberglas will be half hotel first (Marriott has apparently signed on to take that responsibility), and then the other half will be a mix of apartments, offices, and the possibility of a restaurant.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 19, 2013 at 09:21:19 pm     #  

Johio said: GZ, agreed that it'll be a huge introduction of space onto the market, and it will be one heck of a litmus test to see if it can be supported.

Honestly, I don't need to run a litmus test on a glass of water. I already know it's about pH 7.0. I'm more interested in seeing what the developer is bringing to the table that falls into the category of "signed contract" or even statements of intent, like having, say, Flyrabbit Gmbh declaring intent to move its offices there. Instead, the last I knew, there was the usual plan to build out more so-called housing and retail space that the downtown clearly has too much of. Toledo's huge vacancy rate made the national news, don'cha know; it was in the top four cities in the nation for the combined vacancy rates of both owned and rented housing.

I follow along with Maggie Thurber's hammering home of the idea that without sufficient market study, you really can't take development steps forward. The market study I can see with my own eyes is that empty condos and apartments downtown, indicate that opening up a whole mess of them in one massive building, is a big mistake.

The market should drive investment, not the other way around. And that's not how Toledo does things, like with that total fraud involving 5/3's move from the building at 606 Madison to One Seagate. Once 5/3 got away clean, and the average Toledoan went back to sleep, the patsy who bought the worthless 606 Madison building stopped paying the electric bills and the entire building went empty.

Johio said: But you seem to ignore the fact that downtown has the lowest residential vacancy rate of any metro-area neighborhood. Yes, there are plenty of empty offices and warehouses, but there is a demand for living space.

I'm not buying that. I've seen too many condo and such developments downtown to know they largely end up as being too expensive for the area to support, or empty, or converted to Sec8 ("the cancer that kills neighborhoods"). I was driven around recently by a friend who wanted me to see just how much Sec8 has infected downtown and the near environs. Even for a cynic like me, it was truly shocking. Again, the government is just hiding much of the rightful housing collapse that should have been allowed to clear up expensive housing. We are still deep, deep in the same housing bubble of 1998-plus, and constant govt support of speculation is extending the pain into decades-in-length.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 19, 2013 at 10:13:18 pm     #  

looking at something with rose colored glasses doesn't change the fact that it's not rose colored.

posted by nits on Jan 19, 2013 at 10:53:27 pm     #  

It wasn't a private party Friday. There was a group there, but the bar also was open to the public. Quimbys was open again last night and again it was open to the public. I went inside with GZ and had a beer. Surprisingly there were around 75-100 people there.

According to the door man, someone has leased the building, and will soon re-open and the posted business hours are lunch 11-2 and 5-? I suppose at a low enough price another fool always can be found.

Good luck to the new entrepreneur, but if the ultimate goal is making a profit there, the place has a lousy track record.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 20, 2013 at 02:10:09 pm     #  

I stopped by at Quimby's a little after 10pm last night, with a friend. I observed there were no signs in the front door at all this time, except the old sign for the business hours, which intrigued me. We sat down and had a couple of brews, then opted to talk to the gentleman who was manning the door. He said there were new owners, and that the place was open for a private party, but that they had also opted to open to the public too. I could see some sort of skating club was in attendance, Glass City Rollers? I counted the door attendant, a general attendant, a DJ, 2 bartenders, and there must have been a cook (who may have been the same fellow who was the general attendant, dunno).

The door attendant said this was their final day of opening. The conversation led me to believe there would be more openings for these sorts of parties. Hence I am led to conclude the place is in a state of flux and we'll have to wait to see what they settle on.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 20, 2013 at 02:10:16 pm     #  

LOL! Synchronicity!

posted by GuestZero on Jan 20, 2013 at 02:13:27 pm     #  

"Berdan has major structural issues and I have heard for the past two years that without a replaced roof, the building won't last another winter. It has (obviously) made it through, but it's time is limited.

! posted by slowsol on Jan 19, 2013 at 08:04:05 pm # +

I drove by the Berdan Building on Thursday afternoon and two semis were unloading into their dock on Erie St. Anybody know of recent activity for this building?

posted by idinspired on Jan 20, 2013 at 02:18:24 pm     #  

BusterBluth: *If you walked out of Fifth Third, you're immediately adjacent to other, hipper, places. Simply saying, if Quimby's isn't an "anchor" (i.e. a real draw) it's not exactly in a prime location. *

I realize you don't live here, but some of your posts don't make much sense.

Quimby's is very close to the HOME PLATE ENTRANCE (MAIN ENTRANCE) @ 5/3 Field. If that isn't a "prime location" where is? It's more conveniently located than some of the "other, hipper, places."

The main reason Quimbys has closed, again, because there are too many bars downtown.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 20, 2013 at 02:20:17 pm     #  

My wife and I were also at Quimby's last night.We were also there on the first day years ago when they opened as the Emporium.I am saddened that this was their last night because we had formed a special relationship/friendship with the owner,manager and wait staff over the last several years.We had some fun times and we will miss their closing.

posted by buckeye278 on Jan 20, 2013 at 02:49:36 pm     #  

Yeah, the Glass City Rollers were there last night for an afterparty, after their doubleheader at the Seagate Center. It's my understanding that they will continue to open for our post-bout events through the end of the season.

posted by kaj on Jan 20, 2013 at 05:51:16 pm     #  

"I drove by the Berdan Building on Thursday afternoon and two semis were unloading into their dock on Erie St."

Wow. Interesting that semis would be unloading stuff. Could really mean any number of things, but when it comes to a building that has sat vacant for decades, pretty much anything is a good sign.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 21, 2013 at 11:01:27 am     #  

When I worked at the building across from the Berdan building we had heard rumors that they were going to be renovating that building into apartments but never heard any follow up. This was a few years back.

posted by stooks on Jan 21, 2013 at 11:31:25 am     #  

stooks, yeah, that plan has come and gone. There have been rumors circulating the past couple months of a new development firm who has been actively pursuing the building (new to the Berdan Building situation, not new to development, nor to downtown Toledo), and hopefully the activity there is tied to these rumors!

posted by Johio83 on Jan 21, 2013 at 11:50:55 am     #  

Ah Gotcha. Its been a bit since I worked on that side of downtown but I used to imagine how cool that building would be if they renovated it! Love the windows!

posted by stooks on Jan 21, 2013 at 11:57:17 am     #  

Yeah, the windows in that building (and the brickwork around them, the way they're set in from the exterior, etc) are pretty awesome. That's why a lot of us want to see these buildings renovated, as opposed to being knocked down and a new one built. The quality of construction back then was just plain ridiculous compared to today. I mean, considering the fact that a lot of these buildings we talk about have sat vacant and exposed to the elements for half a century in some cases, and they're still standing... that's a lot more than you could say about the majority of what gets built today. And to think that the Berdan was a warehouse. That much care and attention to detail went into a warehouse. Pretty amazing.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 21, 2013 at 12:10:27 pm     #   2 people liked this

It appears the old Kroger on North Summit street in Washington township finally has a new owner, or so the rumors go. American Builders is who I've heard is the new owner of the merchant landing plaza, supposedly they are going to use the Kroger part as a warehouse and the old Walgreen drugstore section for offices, rumor has it they were planning on reopening the bingo hall, day care center, replacing the restaurant with another. I hope its happening that place was really starting to go downhill fast, saw part of the roofing for the old Kroger laying on the sidewalk in front.

I would have wished for another grocery store located there, like an Aldis or something. I imagine Kroger would of done something to fight that though.

posted by Linecrosser on Jan 21, 2013 at 02:50:38 pm     #  

I was at Quimby's Saturday night and also heard that was the final night. The beer and drink mixes were very low- obviously if they planned to stay open this would never happen on a Saturday night. There were no food options at all.

The Glass City Rollers were there and from talking to one of them, they were not sure where their next party in March will be held.

The nearly $600K asking price is what I heard as well. I don't see anyone offering even close to that, but you never know.

posted by someguy23475 on Jan 21, 2013 at 09:44:41 pm     #  

Someguy, I saw one plate of freshly-cooked food being served. I speculate the kitchen was open, since it didn't look like merely microwaved food.

The $599K asking price is what can be checked on the Reichle Klein Group website.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 21, 2013 at 10:48:50 pm     #  

I overheard the bartender telling someone they had no food, and to stop by Home Slice or Blarney. Perhaps the Glass City Rollers had some food as part of their party, and it was only available to them?

posted by someguy23475 on Jan 21, 2013 at 10:56:49 pm     #  

Oh! Well then, I'm wrong. The night wasn't that windy, so plates of something could have been brought in from another place.

This suggests to me that Quimby's doesn't have a food stock anymore. That means they don't have to pay to run the coolers and freezers, too.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 22, 2013 at 12:38:41 am     #  

With a number of us being there Saturday night, it appears that a covert ToledoTalk "meetup" occurred @ Quimby's. LOL

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 22, 2013 at 01:33:54 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 01:20:17 PM on Jan 20, 2013:

BusterBluth: *If you walked out of Fifth Third, you're immediately adjacent to other, hipper, places. Simply saying, if Quimby's isn't an "anchor" (i.e. a real draw) it's not exactly in a prime location. *

I realize you don't live here, but some of your posts don't make much sense.

Quimby's is very close to the HOME PLATE ENTRANCE (MAIN ENTRANCE) @ 5/3 Field. If that isn't a "prime location" where is? It's more conveniently located than some of the "other, hipper, places."

The main reason Quimbys has closed, again, because there are too many bars downtown.

The prime location is Monroe and Huron. It is the only location.

Studies have shown over and over and over again that walking traffic it severely inhibited by surface parking lots. It doesn't help that there's a big huge dilapidated Berdan sitting there too. It can really be as simple as Huron being unattractive in that direction.

Plus young people like to bar hop, every time I go downtown now I go to Table Forty 4, The Blarney, and Cock n Bull. I've never, EVER, heard the name Quimby's until I saw this thread. Which probably means that they do a terrible job of promotion/managing the place too.

There may be too many bars downtown, or they just weren't competition. We don't know.

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 22, 2013 at 04:04:37 pm     #  

weren't competitive enough*.

It is a very nice building, someone will use it one day.

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 22, 2013 at 04:05:39 pm     #  

"inhibited by surface parking lots."

While Quimby's is pretty darn close to the action (the front entrance to 5/3rd Field has to be among the most traversed pieces of concrete in Northwest Ohio) I can definitely agree with what's in the quotes. When out bar hopping or wandering shops and restaurants, nobody wants to walk past half a block of parking lot. Hence the reason pretty much every single downtown doing better than Toledo has a significantly higher garage-to-surface-lot ratio. Drive around Columbus and count how many surface lots you find.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 22, 2013 at 04:13:27 pm     #  

Johio83 brings a good point- garages.
Go to Ann Arbor for a great example of a city doing that right - free parking after certain times, plentiful spots, plentiful lots, all very easy to access and almost no flat-lot parking other than business-attached.

posted by endcycle on Jan 22, 2013 at 04:19:45 pm     #  

Combating surface parking is important, but that's further down the road (pun intended).

It is important to prioritize what lots do the most damage. If there were ever a day in which Berdan were renovated and the lot across the street had a building (two would make more sense), we'd be unspeakably closer to the goals of creating a topnotch urban neighborhood. Hiding the parking garages is one of the biggest tricks. And ill-placed parking garage can ruin a block and even a neighborhood. The garage caddy-corner to The Blarney is a joke.

Ann Arbor is a great example, it's almost perfectly walkable (so is the Short North). Toledo needs awesome murals and parking garage facades to make it more inviting.

One last thing, while surface parking is certainly damaging to walkability, other things can be too. Studies have shown that people are less likely to walk past blank brick walls (SeaGate Center on Monroe!), huge reflective windows (those downtown commercial skyscrapers), and parking garages. You need to beautify the garages to minimize this.

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 22, 2013 at 05:33:22 pm     #  

I think the biggest problem with the garage catty corner from the Blarney is that it's kind of unusual from an accessibility standpoint. The only entrance (that I'm aware of) is around on the Superior St side, through the parking lot. Even something as simple as an entrance on Huron St with a "Parking" sign hanging off the side would be helpful, I think.

And yeah, I know parking is an issue around the Berdan. Bartley and Triangle have both attempted to buy up surrounding lots to cover their own needs, so if the Berdan Building ever hit the market right next door, I think going vertically would be the only solution.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 22, 2013 at 05:41:49 pm     #  

I think the biggest problem with the garage catty corner from the Blarney is that it's kind of unusual from an accessibility standpoint. The only entrance (that I'm aware of) is around on the Superior St side, through the parking lot. Even something as simple as an entrance on Huron St with a "Parking" sign hanging off the side would be helpful, I think.

And yeah, I know parking is an issue around the Berdan. Bartley and Triangle have both attempted to buy up surrounding lots to cover their own needs, so if the Berdan Building ever hit the market right next door, I think going vertically would be the only solution.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 22, 2013 at 05:41:57 pm     #  

Buster, all those city blocks were packed solid with buildings in 1940. All of them. Then the decay set in, largely due to the onset of Car Culture, and Toledo's plan was to tear down buildings to make way for parking. The post-WWII boom was on, then it exhausted itself for a variety of reasons, and then Whites fled all their troubles.

So, the easiest thing to do with a troublesome DT lot was to form a surface parking lot. So that's we're stuck with, today. It's still going on; when the Arbuckle Building burned (arson) in 2004 or so, the city demo'd the building then slowly remediated the lot into parking. That's the plan that Toledo can afford. That's also about as far as a Toledo politician or planner can go, since they're obviously not that smart, or not that honest.

Now the larger view you're putting forth is that parking garages are in the wrong place. There's no real solution for that. Making emptiness pretty is really the last gasp of the desperate; that sort of thing's been done to economic death amongst the empty storefronts of the downtown, and amusingly enough on the Tarta buses, so that people can't see inside and understand how miserably empty all these things are. Facade operations are just another leg down, when you think about it; it's more spending that never recoups investment. And then the facade investment is pretty much left to rot; I've seen enough broken flower pots and de-laminating covers and rotting facades by now.

The downtown probably needs a radical restructuring for long-term survival that nobody can or will afford, so the rational bet is, as always: More despondency.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:18:52 am     #  

And a lot of what GZ is talking about in that first paragraph was "urban renewal," one of the biggest "what the hell were they thinking" ideas of the last half century. In cities across the country, people decided that tearing old buildings down to clear out space for a developer to come in and build a new one was a better idea than putting up with a building that looks old and outdated. (seriously, the 50's and 60's were a time that architecture should forget. It's ridiculous the amount of money we spent literally removing beautiful facades, entryways, lobbies, etc, because "ornate" was viewed as ugly. It's like if Paris decided Notre Dame had too much Gothic stuff going on, so they tear down all the flying buttresses) Only problem was that people looked at the situation as a "things are great right now, and they'll ALWAYS be great, so let's keep tearing things down for new buildings to spring up!" kind of situation. When things did slow down, as they always will (something we never seem to figure out, re: housing bubble of 2007) we were left with a bunch of vacant lots and no new buildings going up to take their places.

"when the Arbuckle Building burned (arson)"
Yep. This is pretty widely accepted. Kind of like Ray Lewis - everybody knows what happened, but for whatever reason, nothing happens.

"The downtown probably needs a radical restructuring for long-term survival"
This is actually a focus of a lot of the movers and shakers in downtown right now. Last year, they proposed their new downtown overlay, which promotes some major infill, along with strategically placed parking garages to serve the greatest number of businesses and residences. In a few weeks, there will be a hearing to change some of the rules in the downtown area, making it easier for future development to happen. (In my project, I had to change the zoning of my property from light industrial to commercial/residential while simultaneously splitting it from another property. It was one hell of a headache. This new proposal will eliminate the need to go through that.)

posted by Johio83 on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:54:03 am     #  

endcycle posted at 03:19:45 PM on Jan 22, 2013:

Johio83 brings a good point- garages.
Go to Ann Arbor for a great example of a city doing that right - free parking after certain times, plentiful spots, plentiful lots, all very easy to access and almost no flat-lot parking other than business-attached.

Feb 2007 - Toledo Talk - Insights Into A Lively Downtown :

I received an e-mail from Kirk, and he wanted to know:

"I'm looking to get in touch with downtown Toledo citizen advocates or merchant groups. I'm a nonprofit urban planning consultant in Ann Arbor, fresh out of academia, and I'm looking to work with downtowns in the region who are open to using progressive methods to engage the community and revitalize the downtown."

"As part of my research, I recently produced a 19-minute film called, "Insights into a Lively Downtown." Lots of folks around the state (and country) have enjoyed it, and even though it uses Ann Arbor, MI as a case study, they've found the research valuable to thinking about the future planning and design of their own downtowns."

"Anyway, if you're aware of some kind of organized downtown group, I'd appreciate it if you could point me in their direction!"

http://www.westphalassociates.com - Ann Arbor

I think I was unsuccessful with connecting Kirk Westphal with the Toledo ReUrbanism group.

Kirk's video at YouTube Insights into a Lively Downtown

Toledo has used the strong mayor form of government for about 20 years. Kirk produced a video called The Council-Manager Form of Local Government

Did you know that there are different ways to run a city? In this video by the Michigan Local Government Management Association, mayors, councilmembers, city managers and professors describe the two predominant forms of local government in the U.S. -- council-manager and strong mayor -- and talk about how each impacts its citizens. Learn why more communities across the country have chosen the council-manager form of government over other forms.

posted by jr on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:57:00 am     #  

For years here and elsewhere, I've read how downtown Toledo needs to somehow emulate Ann Arbor, with it's vibrant array of shops, restuarants, bars, etc.

It's a pipe dream. I love Ann Arbor; it's like taking a mini-vacation from the typical Midwest urban centers of blight and decay.

But it's a small, self-contained college town. The attraction of the downtown area exists because of the existance of the 50,000-student body of University of Michigan.

Toledo doesn't have it. Won't ever have it. There are perhaps areas around UT that can be developed to emulate Ann Arbor. But even then, you're dealing with an urban campus that is on the fringe of areas that, rightly or wrongly, are considered quasi-safe at best.

Grand Rapids, Mich. would be the better model for Toledo to explore. Busy downtown area of art galleries, newer hotels, plenty of places to dine and bar hop. It has a downtown extension of Grand Valley State University, but that's really beside the fact.

posted by McCaskey on Jan 23, 2013 at 01:45:59 pm     #  

McC, I totally agree with the Grand Rapids comment. After being in Kalamazoo a couple times recently, I'd throw them in the same mix. While Kzoo's downtown is much smaller, it's extremely vibrant and active, and there's no college there. Western Michigan is about as far from downtown Kzoo as UT is from downtown Toledo, so it eliminates the whole "well there's college kids there" dilemma.

And even though Toledo and Ann Arbor are totally different cases from a demographic standpoint, there are still a number of things Toledo can learn. Building density, limited lanes on the more prominent roadways, abundant on-street parking, attractive greenery and street lighting... all things that make for an inviting area for pedestrian traffic.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 23, 2013 at 01:54:35 pm     #  

I don't think anyone is saying downtown Toledo can be Ann Arbor per se. I simply consider it a paragon of walkability. Toledo, like any city, can learn from it in that sense.

It's quite simple (and difficult..and happens at a snails pace ore often than not), strategically eliminate surface parking and simultaneously create clusters of development. I mean can you imagine if we could magically move the Oliver House to that lot on Huron/Washington?! Density is key. The WHD is (more) popular with young people because you can bar hop three bars that are just down the street from each other; it's sorta like that.

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 23, 2013 at 04:35:25 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 12:54:35 PM on Jan 23, 2013:

McC, I totally agree with the Grand Rapids comment. After being in Kalamazoo a couple times recently, I'd throw them in the same mix. While Kzoo's downtown is much smaller, it's extremely vibrant and active, and there's no college there. Western Michigan is about as far from downtown Kzoo as UT is from downtown Toledo, so it eliminates the whole "well there's college kids there" dilemma.

And even though Toledo and Ann Arbor are totally different cases from a demographic standpoint, there are still a number of things Toledo can learn. Building density, limited lanes on the more prominent roadways, abundant on-street parking, attractive greenery and street lighting... all things that make for an inviting area for pedestrian traffic.

I would say Toledo is more like Flint.

posted by Linecrosser on Jan 23, 2013 at 06:30:58 pm     #   1 person liked this

McCaskey enters the thread with a well-needed dose of reality. Thanks.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 23, 2013 at 10:58:31 pm     #  

And LC makes an even more realistic assessment of Toledo.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 23, 2013 at 10:59:26 pm     #  

BB: The prime location is Monroe and Huron. It is the only location.

Studies have shown over and over and over again that walking traffic it severely inhibited by surface parking lots. It doesn't help that there's a big huge dilapidated Berdan sitting there too. It can really be as simple as Huron being unattractive in that direction.

I've never, EVER, heard the name Quimby's until I saw this thread. Plus young people like to bar hop, every time I go downtown now I go to Table Forty 4, The Blarney, and Cock n Bull. Which probably means that they do a terrible job of promotion/managing the place too.

There may be too many bars downtown, or they just weren't competition. We don't know.

BB,

No Monroe and Huron isn't the prime or only location regarding Fifth Third Field...downtown's main attraction.

There are more bars near the Main Entrance @ Washington and Huron. Business at Table 44 is down a lot...especially since C'n'B opened. Papalis closes so early most nights, it barely deserves mention during nighttime bar scene debate.

You mention that you "bar hop" to C'n'B but have never heard of Quimbys. It probably has more to do with you living elsewhere and visiting Toledo more than anything else. So quite honestly, you are sort of over-reaching having such strong opinions as a non-resident.

The Bronze Boar is another "bar hop" spot in the area and it's not even a half block from C'n'B and across the street from Quimbys. Packos also is nearby as well as the Durty Bird.

You mention the surface lot at Washington and Huron, but in another post are complaining about the parking garage across Huron from Blarney/Papalis. Which is it or are you complaining about both?

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 23, 2013 at 11:13:44 pm     #   1 person liked this

The location isn't the issue for the bar hop, it's the clustering. The Adam's st corridor is actually the better cluster and benefits from game nights, but stands better on its own during off seasons. Just putting something in proximity to the stadium doesn't solve other problems. If you bar hop- you hit a couple or more bars-if you go to a game, you may just hit one afterwards.

Does anyone remember the bar scene downtown in the 90's? You basically had the Bijou and driving through downtown to get to Frankie's. Forget clusters, we had to look at a map to figure out where things were located.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 24, 2013 at 10:25:02 am     #   2 people liked this

6th, I don't think BB was complaining about the fact that the parking garage at Monroe/Huron existed, I think he was saying that it's an eyesore - parking garages these days tend to be much more aesthetically pleasing than what was built in the past, and this particular one is definitely an example of the latter.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 24, 2013 at 10:31:32 am     #   1 person liked this

That's is probably a fair comment about me not living in Toledo and not being in the know about Quimbys. But my friends live in Toledo (well, they all just moved to Cleveland/Lakewood...queue QZ and the Toledo diaspora talk).

I still think Huron/Monroe is the prime location. Calling anything a prime location is a stretch though, I'll admit that much.

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 24, 2013 at 09:54:40 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 09:31:32 AM on Jan 24, 2013:

6th, I don't think BB was complaining about the fact that the parking garage at Monroe/Huron existed, I think he was saying that it's an eyesore - parking garages these days tend to be much more aesthetically pleasing than what was built in the past, and this particular one is definitely an example of the latter.

Correct. Parking garages 1) have shown to discourage walking on adjacent sidewalks, and 2) normally not mixed-use, and 2) horribly ugly without a proper facade.

You've got to be creative in hiding them, and if you can't minimize their exposure to main streets (Washington, Huron and Monroe), then you have to hide them in plain sight with facades.

posted by BusterBluth on Jan 24, 2013 at 10:02:48 pm     #  

BB: Calling anything a prime location is a stretch though, I'll admit that much.

+1

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 24, 2013 at 10:14:41 pm     #  

To provide a visual of what BB is talking about with the parking garage issue, here's an example of where trends are going. Not only does it look like an apartment complex or something (not an ugly garage of layered concrete slabs), but perimeter on the street level is filled with retail. This is how they've started doing them in downtown Orlando, and it seems to work a lot better than the old way. Instead of killing the sidewalk space and creating long stretches of nothingness for pedestrians to walk past, the block can still be part of the walkable environment.

Also, I see they have a Forever 29. Sounds more up my alley than that other one.

(and jr, sorry if this is too big. I couldn't figure out how to size it down. Feel free to do whatever with it.)

posted by Johio83 on Jan 25, 2013 at 11:58:48 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 10:58:48 AM on Jan 25, 2013:

To provide a visual of what BB is talking about with the parking garage issue, here's an example of where trends are going. Not only does it look like an apartment complex or something (not an ugly garage of layered concrete slabs), but perimeter on the street level is filled with retail. This is how they've started doing them in downtown Orlando, and it seems to work a lot better than the old way. Instead of killing the sidewalk space and creating long stretches of nothingness for pedestrians to walk past, the block can still be part of the walkable environment.

Also, I see they have a Forever 29. Sounds more up my alley than that other one.

(and jr, sorry if this is too big. I couldn't figure out how to size it down. Feel free to do whatever with it.)

When do they announce the levy to build it?

posted by Linecrosser on Jan 25, 2013 at 01:15:38 pm     #  

LC said: When do they announce the levy to build it?

Yeah, word one. I don't see any parking garage owner ponying up the cash to do that sort of thing. A renovation/upgrade like that is very expensive. And then the garage would have to give up spaces for retail, which today competes with existing empty storefronts. A total non-starter.

So if anything like that sort of foolishness visits Toledo, it would be driven by the sucker of last resort, government funding.

The parking "problem" downtown really doesn't exist since there's so much of it. Therefore there's no real economic driver to change it, certainly not on the order of rebuilding things. There's a tiny chance that some grant money would flow into the hands of some parking lot owner and he'd try something like shown above. It would have to be a pretty big grant, like $3 million or more. I posit the lot owner since he'd have dollar signs dancing in his eyes as he envisioned a new parking structure all for himself to profit from. That lot right by Quimby's seems dangerously ideal.

P.S. For those with Firefox, there's an add-on called "Image Zoom" that lets you dynamically re-size images on the page. I used it to shrink those huge pics into 5×7 photographs on my screen within seconds. Easy peasy. Try it; once you start using Image Zoom, you won't go back.

posted by GuestZero on Jan 25, 2013 at 02:14:50 pm     #  

I wonder how long all that glass would remain intact or how long the clean walls would go before being tagged.

posted by Linecrosser on Jan 25, 2013 at 03:30:56 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 05:30:58 PM on Jan 23, 2013:
Johio83 posted at 12:54:35 PM on Jan 23, 2013:

McC, I totally agree with the Grand Rapids comment. After being in Kalamazoo a couple times recently, I'd throw them in the same mix. While Kzoo's downtown is much smaller, it's extremely vibrant and active, and there's no college there. Western Michigan is about as far from downtown Kzoo as UT is from downtown Toledo, so it eliminates the whole "well there's college kids there" dilemma.

And even though Toledo and Ann Arbor are totally different cases from a demographic standpoint, there are still a number of things Toledo can learn. Building density, limited lanes on the more prominent roadways, abundant on-street parking, attractive greenery and street lighting... all things that make for an inviting area for pedestrian traffic.

I would say Toledo is more like Flint.

Then you have never been to Flint.

posted by Sohio on Jan 26, 2013 at 11:49:23 am     #   4 people liked this

Walked by the Berdan building about an hour ago and could hear the sound of construction equipment inside, anyone heard anything? Also noticed some fresh boards on window's so maybe they are just securing it.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 26, 2013 at 01:12:08 pm     #  

The project is moving forward, and the building is being developed. I just spoke with the developer a couple of days ago. He said you can expect to see obvious changes within the next year but for now everything is being secured and cleaned up .

posted by upso on Jan 26, 2013 at 01:19:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

Thanks Upso saw them working on easy street as well. Was also glad to see Bleak House is open on Saturday's now and was busy. (Shameless downtown plug)

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 26, 2013 at 01:32:24 pm     #   1 person liked this

That's spectacular news about Berdan! Any idea if they plan to announce anything? I've heard rumors of what the current regime wants to do with the place, but that was probably back in May or June, when they were still looking at acquiring the building. Would love to know if those plans are still in the works, or if they've changed things up.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 28, 2013 at 10:10:55 am     #  

I have no more info at this time, but I will certainly keep my ears and eyes open. :)

posted by upso on Jan 28, 2013 at 10:38:04 am     #  

@In_vin_veritas
looks like bleak house was open SUNDAY as well! which frankly i a little insane if you ask me! :)

posted by upso on Jan 28, 2013 at 10:38:40 am     #  

The wife tried to go to several downtown establishments for a bite to eat before the Walleye Game on Saturday night and every place was packed and had a waiting list. Just need more nights like these !! Plus it would not kill her to miss a meal once in a while :)....I am kidding !!

posted by Hoops on Jan 28, 2013 at 10:47:50 am     #  

"Just need more nights like these !!"

Absolutely! Little by little, more events are springing up around downtown. Art walks / loops, classic movies at the Valentine, one-off events like various race/walks, and other things like that have been helpful in giving people activities to do in downtown on the days when the Walleye or Hens aren't at home.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 28, 2013 at 10:54:54 am     #  

Just wondering what happened to twelve days of comments between January 4th and the 16th.

posted by pete on Jan 28, 2013 at 06:49:33 pm     #  

pete posted at 05:49:33 PM on Jan 28, 2013:

Just wondering what happened to twelve days of comments between January 4th and the 16th.

When a thread exceeds 200 comments, only the last 100 comments are displayed to speed up loading of the Web page.

But you have the option to display all of the comments in the thread.

Beneath the post that started the thread and directly above the textarea box where you type a comment, you should see this line:

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If you don't see that line, then I assume that you are using the old display of Toledo Talk.

posted by jr on Jan 28, 2013 at 07:09:47 pm     #  

"using the old display of Toledo Talk"

Yep, you're right. Thanks, JR.

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