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One Fewer Hotel in Town

I just drove south on Reynolds Road and passed an enormous rubble pile right next to the road. I think one of the 5 - or 6-story vacant hotels near the turnpike has been torn down.

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The old Ramada/Holiday Inn/rat trap?

posted by oldhometown on Jan 31, 2013 at 05:39:59 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 04:39:59 PM on Jan 31, 2013:

The old Ramada/Holiday Inn/rat trap?

Probably better to ask which side of the road. You might remember Holiday Inn and Ramada swapped properties several years back.

posted by JustaSooner on Jan 31, 2013 at 06:35:18 pm     #  

Is it that Days Inn that shut down a while back? Maybe the blocks around the new Kroger at Reynolds/Conant and Dussel are getting cleaned up in anticipation.

posted by mjcozy on Jan 31, 2013 at 06:38:19 pm     #  

If it was the old Clarion at Reynolds and Heatherdowns [or even if it wasn't] someone posted an interesting group of photos online:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25165196@N08/sets/72157624879592071/

posted by Sohio on Jan 31, 2013 at 08:08:46 pm     #  

I'm guessing you are referring to the demolished car dealership at the corner of Conant and Dussel.

posted by slowsol on Jan 31, 2013 at 08:10:28 pm     #  

Those pictures upset me. The owners of that hotel are way behind on their taxes. Why isn't something being done?

posted by Dappling2 on Jan 31, 2013 at 11:43:33 pm     #  

There is something really unsettling about those photos. It is as if they walked out one day and that was that.

posted by Star56 on Feb 01, 2013 at 03:42:43 am     #  

Star56 posted at 02:42:43 AM on Feb 01, 2013:

There is something really unsettling about those photos. It is as if they walked out one day and that was that.

It is like they walked out one day; and then crackheads, homeless, and vandals (Plus at least one photographer) climbed in through the broken window above the front entrance overhang, illegally.

posted by justread on Feb 01, 2013 at 07:25:52 am     #  

Did they have to climb? Looked to me like they could just walk right in the front...

posted by Sohio on Feb 01, 2013 at 08:08:19 am     #  

Yeah, for a long time, the front door was secured, but a window into the second floor was open above an overhang. I noticed it driving past, and I saw it reported in the media in a story about the property.
I think that it was boarded up later, perhaps by the city.

posted by justread on Feb 01, 2013 at 08:30:03 am     #  

It's hard to believe this was still open as recently as a few years ago. When I was a bored kid at the mall back in the day, a buddy and I used to walk over and look out the hall windows on the top floor... nice view from up there. The tv in the pool was kind of funny, but leaving the plants to die was borderline criminal.

posted by mixman on Feb 01, 2013 at 08:34:42 am     #  

It is the tallest building in south Toledo, isn't it?

posted by justread on Feb 01, 2013 at 09:12:06 am     #  

mixman posted at 07:34:42 AM on Feb 01, 2013:

It's hard to believe this was still open as recently as a few years ago. When I was a bored kid at the mall back in the day, a buddy and I used to walk over and look out the hall windows on the top floor... nice view from up there. The tv in the pool was kind of funny, but leaving the plants to die was borderline criminal.

It is hard to believe...but not too hard. After looking into urban exploration for a few years, I have been constantly surprised by how quickly a building will deteriorate if it is not secured and maintained. It happens FAST, and not just in 'bad' neighborhoods.

posted by Sohio on Feb 01, 2013 at 10:20:19 am     #  

Do property owners normally leave everything behind like that?

It would seem that they could have sold some of the furnishings or appliances? Heck, even donated to the Salvation Army or something?

posted by mom2 on Feb 01, 2013 at 11:58:03 am     #  

It would seem that they could have sold some of the furnishings or appliances? Heck, even donated to the Salvation Army or something?

That would involve giving a shit about the community and the property and the environment. If they couldn't even pay their taxes, as any responsible business would, you can guess what kind of ownership held the property.

posted by oldhometown on Feb 01, 2013 at 12:12:53 pm     #  

^^

That's why I mentioned selling the items first - even if they weren't inclined to donate, you'd think that they might want to recoup any possible cash. LOL

posted by mom2 on Feb 01, 2013 at 12:16:14 pm     #  

I think if the state steps in for failure to pay taxes the company loses everything, furniture included.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 01, 2013 at 12:30:18 pm     #  

So... has it been confirmed yet what building has actually been torn down? The conversation seems to have shifted to the poor state of the hotel in the photos, but not about what was actually demolished.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 01, 2013 at 12:34:53 pm     #  

Good question. I'm about to make a run to the post office. Will report back.

posted by mixman on Feb 01, 2013 at 12:56:25 pm     #  

All hotels are still standing. The rubble pile is farther south on Reynolds at the old car dealership.

posted by mixman on Feb 01, 2013 at 02:02:49 pm     #  

Good grief.

posted by Foodie on Feb 01, 2013 at 03:24:51 pm     #  

Ready, shoot, aim

posted by Hoops on Feb 01, 2013 at 04:13:53 pm     #  

Good call, Slowsol! You called it early and you called it correctly. Thank you Mixman for the reconnaissance.

posted by viola on Feb 01, 2013 at 04:59:44 pm     #  

Yes, checked it out yesterday. That includes the hummer dealer, which seems like a real shame, it always struck me as a very cool space for a restaurant. It had a cool upper level atrium and it was all glassed in. Probably completely impractical, but looked cool.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 02, 2013 at 09:57:34 am     #  

Dappling2 said: The owners of that hotel are way behind on their taxes. Why isn't something being done?

Because it's kind of like that old saying about owing the bank a little or a lot of money. If you owe the City of Toledo a little property taxes, you're in trouble... the city can make a profit on taking your property. If you owe the City of Toledo a lot of property taxes, the city's in trouble... since taking the property can't recover what's owed.

What I've never understood is why the city doesn't go after the assets of these rich guys in the first place. Back PTs are just a debt that can be settled from seizures. I suspect that the city runs up against what's really a power game; the city needs the rich guys and developers more than the rich guys and developers need the city. Of course the city has no such problems with individuals like you or myself; there are hundreds of thousands of us. Always more where we came from.

posted by GuestZero on Feb 02, 2013 at 12:13:14 pm     #  

Of COURSE!

It's not a deadbeat problem, it's a "rich guy" problem.

posted by justread on Feb 02, 2013 at 01:15:20 pm     #   3 people liked this

Drove past the site Friday 2/2. Six protestors were out in front alleging the demolition project is being done by non-union workers.
Did Kroger buy that parcel to build a humongous new store?

posted by flinty on Feb 02, 2013 at 01:46:19 pm     #  

The contractors Krogers use are all non-union.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 02, 2013 at 02:02:00 pm     #  

One thing that may explain the terrible condition of the hotel is that apparently there was a group that stripped all the copper out of the building a few years ago. Obviously, this is not a small project, but they were able to do it over the course of several months without anyone noticing.

But what I remember about that hotel is our fraternity homecoming there in the fall of '91. I feel bad for the guests that came out of their room to see drunken youths (and not so young alumni) doing beer bongs and shooting off fire extinguishers in the hallway. Needless to say, we were not invited back, lol.

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 02, 2013 at 06:08:45 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 11:12:53 AM on Feb 01, 2013:

It would seem that they could have sold some of the furnishings or appliances? Heck, even donated to the Salvation Army or something?

That would involve giving a shit about the community and the property and the environment. If they couldn't even pay their taxes, as any responsible business would, you can guess what kind of ownership held the property.

If everything in the building is secured to lenders, yes, an owner may just walk away without trying to take anything because technically they can't take it. I remember when Cookers Restaurant went under - they didn't go to bankruptcy, they just closed the restaurants, told employees sorry (via a note on the door IIRC), and walked away. The owners/landlords of the buildings were left with a mess because they didnt know who may or may not have an interest in the furniture, equipment, etc.

posted by MrsArcher on Feb 02, 2013 at 09:02:18 pm     #  

MrsArcher posted at 08:02:18 PM on Feb 02, 2013:
oldhometown posted at 11:12:53 AM on Feb 01, 2013:

It would seem that they could have sold some of the furnishings or appliances? Heck, even donated to the Salvation Army or something?

That would involve giving a shit about the community and the property and the environment. If they couldn't even pay their taxes, as any responsible business would, you can guess what kind of ownership held the property.

If everything in the building is secured to lenders, yes, an owner may just walk away without trying to take anything because technically they can't take it. I remember when Cookers Restaurant went under - they didn't go to bankruptcy, they just closed the restaurants, told employees sorry (via a note on the door IIRC), and walked away. The owners/landlords of the buildings were left with a mess because they didnt know who may or may not have an interest in the furniture, equipment, etc.

Mmmmmhhhhmmmmm Cooker's chicken tenders....

posted by slowsol on Feb 02, 2013 at 09:04:47 pm     #   1 person liked this

http://www.toledoblade.com/Real-Estate/2013/02/05/Downtown-structure-to-go-up-for-auction.html

Will the Reynolds Road derelict hotels be next?

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 05, 2013 at 09:22:49 am     #  

The city is in talks to buy and demolish the old Clarion hotel.

Mayor Collins says there is a chain retailer interested in opening in the old Kmart property next door, but they won't come to town until the blight (hotel) gets cleaned up. Any thoughts on the matter, and speculation on the retailer?

posted by mixman on Feb 16, 2014 at 02:03:18 pm     #  

wow, why is demo so costly? happy to hear there is some potential action going on in that part of town regardless!

posted by upso on Feb 16, 2014 at 02:25:29 pm     #  

Wait a minute:

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2012/01/21/E-Toledo-landmark-expected-to-be-razed.html

When the city tore down the Playdium, it was said that the owner was going to be forced to pay the city back. This time, it sounds like tax funds will be used to pay to demolish the Clarion?

Also...the headline says the city wants to "buy" the hotel...the article says they won't pay anything for it. So, that's not really "buying" it, is it?

Am I missing something? Or things?

posted by Sohio on Feb 16, 2014 at 03:04:06 pm     #  

mom2 posted at 10:58:03 AM on Feb 01, 2013:

Do property owners normally leave everything behind like that?

It would seem that they could have sold some of the furnishings or appliances? Heck, even donated to the Salvation Army or something?

Was looking at that photo set on flickr again.

Wow. It is kind of odd they didn't try to salvage any fixtures, isn't it? I mean, hotel wall art is usually pretty ugly, the furniture is usually flimsy, and old TVs are nearly impossible to find takers for, but still. oldhometown was right, it is obvious nobody cared.

Check out the one photo, toward the end, with a mattress standing upright with a massive stain on it. EEEEWWWWW!!!! Early checkout!

posted by Sohio on Feb 16, 2014 at 03:14:02 pm     #  

First off, kudos to the city for seizing the property. They were $200k behind on their taxes. $900k to tear the place down. This fiasco will cost the city ultimately $1.1 million.

The Playdium was owned by an individual. The Clarion was owned by an LLC that was bankrupt. No one to sue or assets to seize.

Being right there on the turnpike, I was always amazed that some hotel chain didn't buy it. Seems like it would be cheaper than building new.

Being a south Toledo resident, I get depressed every day when I drive down Reynold's Road. I truly doubt that in my lifetime the blight that is where Southwyck is will ever be redeveloped (although i wish the Kroger's would have gone in there) as there is simply not the demand and traffic to warrant it.

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 16, 2014 at 10:17:17 pm     #  

The Playdium was owned by an individual. The Clarion was owned by an LLC that was bankrupt. No one to sue or assets to seize.

AHHH! OK, now that you say that, it makes sense. I hadn't thought of that. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

posted by Sohio on Feb 16, 2014 at 11:54:56 pm     #  

Some 'before' pictures, courtesy of tripadvisor:

http://www.vfmii.com/exc/aspquery?command=invoke&ipid=1065939&ids=40435

posted by Sohio on Feb 17, 2014 at 12:07:39 am     #  

Any thoughts on the matter, and speculation on the retailer?

It's not IKEA or Trader Joes.

Being a south Toledo resident, I get depressed every day when I drive down Reynold's Road. I truly doubt that in my lifetime the blight that is where Southwyck is will ever be redeveloped (although i wish the Kroger's would have gone in there) as there is simply not the demand and traffic to warrant it.

I'm afraid you are right.

posted by oldhometown on Feb 17, 2014 at 06:04:09 am     #  

Could it be a second site for Gabe's which just opened near Franklin Park and is looking for additional sites ? It's a regional operation not national though.

posted by Hoops on Feb 17, 2014 at 09:26:12 am     #  

It could be a Gabe's. The key part of the mayor's quote was that they might be moving into the old Kmart, and not building new. If they were building new, it could be all kinds of things... Fry's, HH Gregg, Whole Foods, Earth Fare, Giant Eagle, but given that its Reynolds Road neighbors include Dollar Stores, Savers and a Goodwill, I'm betting it's some kind of discount retailer. Salvation Army? lol

posted by mixman on Feb 17, 2014 at 01:23:58 pm     #  

Giant Eagle is the only one I could see on that list.

Whole Foods is a pipe dream--especially in that neighborhood.

We'll see...

posted by oldhometown on Feb 18, 2014 at 01:49:10 am     #   2 people liked this

I'm thinking discount retailer, but you never know. With that hotel and enough of the eyesore properties gone, there could eventually be a renaissance. If you look past the tiny bit of section 8, the rest of the area is solid incomes - some of the city's highest. There is money east, west, and south of there. Maumee, Holland, and Monclova are just a stone's throw. Airport Highway and Spring Meadows are almost out of room. Developers might choose population base over greenfields (Fallen Timbers).

posted by mixman on Feb 18, 2014 at 03:39:51 pm     #  

Its bizarre how quickly Southwyck and the area around it died off. In the early 90s the area was still thriving, and by the end of the decade Southwyck was on life support with numerous businesses and restaurants nearby closed and their buildings left vacant.

I used to go to Southwyck all the time for movies, shopping, food in the nearby restaurants. Hell, it used to have a lot of traveling conventions swing through for various hobbies and interests.

posted by WillWorkForWork on Feb 20, 2014 at 04:49:51 am     #  

Ok, dumb question here, why not try to sell the property "as is" first, before dropping a million tax payer dollars tearing it down?
Supposedly, removing the building makes the land easier to sell.
How did that work out for Southwyck and North Towne?

posted by JeepMaker on Feb 20, 2014 at 11:02:16 am     #  

Channel 13 said last night there is home & garden store prepared to take over the KMart site

posted by Hoops on Feb 20, 2014 at 11:16:40 am     #