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Any comments on the latest mess at Bancroft High and Lloyd Jacobs? Blade reporter, Ignazio Messina has exposed the tip of the iceberg in regards to the level of corruption spawned by the Jacobs Administration. Folks, it's your tax dollars being pissed away!
And NO I do NOT have a "creepy obsession" with Jake...He and his BOT are just another bunch of white collar crooks.

created by RockChick on Feb 01, 2013 at 07:07:59 pm     Education     Comments: 44

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I think you have a typo above. You DO have a "creepy obsession" with Lloyd Jacobs.

posted by slowsol on Feb 01, 2013 at 07:31:13 pm     #   7 people liked this

No, I have an obession with my tax dollars being blown and I am not real fond of blatant corruption. How does that qualify as being creepy? Are you frightened by my comments? How does me starting threads on UT make me creepy? Are people that talk about Grumpys all the time creepy? I like Grumpys!

posted by RockChick on Feb 01, 2013 at 07:52:35 pm     #   1 person liked this

What's the "latest mess"? Just the Cliff notes please and, if possible, any corroborating evidence for items deemed corrupt.

posted by holland on Feb 01, 2013 at 09:00:32 pm     #  

Realistically aren't there dozens of ways your tax dollars are being blown? Why not pick a different one occasionally and you won't get such a bad wrap.

posted by Weneedchange on Feb 01, 2013 at 09:09:22 pm     #  

My feeling is that the local businesses, Jacob's administration, the BOT, OBOR, and the state house are all like a bunch of Noe's and it is a big money triangle of love between them all. They don't care about education....just how much money they can SQUEEZE out of the university for their own benefit.

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 01, 2013 at 11:30:31 pm     #   2 people liked this

I've got a inside scoop that Jacobs is going out-of-his-way to help the cash-strapped Stansley because their families have had a long-term relationship. Let's wait and see.

posted by Elva on Feb 02, 2013 at 01:03:25 am     #   1 person liked this

The university is being run like a corrupt third world country.

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 02, 2013 at 09:20:44 am     #   2 people liked this

I had family who worked in UT as higher up admin types. He talked about big bonuses, and parties that cost $10k+ going on as the college talked about the money blues and the need to raise tuition. The way the University is run is a sham.

posted by OhioKimono on Feb 02, 2013 at 12:08:27 pm     #   1 person liked this

You find this sort of institutional corruption around the peak of a money bubble. Overall it's the education bubble, driven by stupidity, desperation, foolish lending and a large pack of complicit participants.

posted by GuestZero on Feb 02, 2013 at 12:17:38 pm     #   1 person liked this

There is a lot of money going to UT, but it is drained off by the vampires. It is not going to support students, faculty, and staff. Just administrative excess

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 02, 2013 at 12:30:14 pm     #   3 people liked this

I've always placed blame for institutional bloat on the administrative class. The problem there is that the administrative class has no real oversight, hence we just can't control it. So the "pain" of any shortfall passes over them and strikes the other labor classes in the institution, including the 'customers', the students.

posted by GuestZero on Feb 02, 2013 at 03:43:48 pm     #  

Well this has to be about the most worthless thread on toledotalk just a bunch of ranting, hearsay, and zero facts how about we move it off to the political section. So the rest of us can get on to more important things like discussing which Mexican place in town has the best free chips and salsa.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Feb 02, 2013 at 06:39:36 pm     #  

El Tipico.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 02, 2013 at 07:15:57 pm     #  

@ In_Vin Read the most recent UT articles in the past week and check my previous posts on UT.
If you are truly intereasted in chips and salsa this blog needs to be flushed like the kidney at UTMCO.

posted by RockChick on Feb 02, 2013 at 07:48:40 pm     #  

and there's the creepy...

posted by justread on Feb 02, 2013 at 09:39:18 pm     #   7 people liked this

It is so obvious what has been happening in the state and at UT for so long and is crystal clear in the governor's new budget. We had tax cuts and service cuts crammed down our throat for years so that those at the top could do better, and believe me during these bad times, they have continued to do well. Now that the economy is picking up and there is a little bump in tax collections, what happens? More services for the little folks? No! More tax cuts for the wealthy! They will never stop. Whoever loves money never has money enough.

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 03, 2013 at 09:35:21 am     #   3 people liked this

I am curious about UT's budget shortfall of $36 million. Why, with this shortfall, are they proceeding with the construction of a $36 million simulation center? And why did ProMedica pull out of that agreement?

posted by valbee on Feb 03, 2013 at 12:18:21 pm     #  

valbee posted at 11:18:21 AM on Feb 03, 2013:

I am curious about UT's budget shortfall of $36 million. Why, with this shortfall, are they proceeding with the construction of a $36 million simulation center? And why did ProMedica pull out of that agreement?

In government, operating funds (day-to-day expenses) are separate from capital funds (new buildings). So you can have an operating deficit often referred to as a budget shortfall, but still have money for capital projects because that money may come from different sources or may come from student fees or something but has been specifically designated capital projects and can't be spent on operating expenses.

posted by MrsArcher on Feb 03, 2013 at 03:45:54 pm     #  

Elva posted at 12:03:25 AM on Feb 02, 2013:

I've got a inside scoop that Jacobs is going out-of-his-way to help the cash-strapped Stansley because their families have had a long-term relationship. Let's wait and see.

Cash-strapped? What makes you think the Stansleys are cash strapped?

And what 'long-term' relationship? Jacobs has only been in the area for a decade; prior to that his career was pretty far-flung, and the medical industry certainly doesn't cross paths with the construction aggregate business that Stansleys are in. What connection am I missing?

posted by MrsArcher on Feb 03, 2013 at 03:49:50 pm     #  

A close friend of mine is in the loop on state university funding, particularly on the lobbying end, and has told me numerous times that the University is viewed so negatively in the rest of the state that they don't even take it seriously anymore. Lloyd Jacobs is an embarrassment, he's just an inept clown.

It's a damn shame because the university has soooo much potential. After the merger with MCO, "Toledo became the third largest public university in Ohio in terms of its operating budget, as well as one of only 17 public universities in the country that has colleges of business, education, engineering, law, medicine and pharmacy."

It's rather unbelievable how badly Jacobs has run a place with so much to work with.

posted by BusterBluth on Feb 03, 2013 at 04:34:23 pm     #   3 people liked this

BB, if you have access to that sort of information, can you analyze pricing advantage? Where does UT stand on that list of 17 institutions for yearly cost of education, food and housing?

posted by GuestZero on Feb 03, 2013 at 04:49:15 pm     #  

BB said: Lloyd Jacobs is an embarrassment, he's just an inept clown.

Reading his UT page you'd think he walked on water and shat out diamonds.

http://www.utoledo.edu/offices/president/index.html

posted by GuestZero on Feb 03, 2013 at 04:58:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

@ MrsArcher...for one thing he has a rather LARGE tax lein slapped on him.

posted by RockChick on Feb 03, 2013 at 06:34:40 pm     #  

@ MrsArcher...for one thing he has a rather LARGE tax lein slapped on him.

posted by RockChick on Feb 03, 2013 at 06:34:51 pm     #  

GuestZero posted at 03:58:28 PM on Feb 03, 2013:

BB said: Lloyd Jacobs is an embarrassment, he's just an inept clown.

Reading his UT page you'd think he walked on water and shat out diamonds.

http://www.utoledo.edu/offices/president/index.html

I don't know how he can shit out diamonds with Gold up his ass. :)

posted by justread on Feb 03, 2013 at 07:22:07 pm     #  

Just want to apologize for that one, probably too lowbrow.

posted by justread on Feb 03, 2013 at 07:23:55 pm     #  

When parodies go wrong.

posted by justread on Feb 03, 2013 at 07:25:15 pm     #  

GuestZero posted at 03:49:15 PM on Feb 03, 2013:

BB, if you have access to that sort of information, can you analyze pricing advantage? Where does UT stand on that list of 17 institutions for yearly cost of education, food and housing?

..."that sort of information" is on wikipedia.

The information I do actually have access to is in the state funding for universities game, and let's just say that if Kasich wins a second term there will be a major shakeup. The state wants efficiency and to streamline the state schools (which is why they all switched to semesters). If Kasich wins, there's a solid chance that one or two, or even more of the state universities will be closed by the end of the decade. Toledo/Bowling Green are NOT being considered.

posted by BusterBluth on Feb 04, 2013 at 02:38:59 am     #  

BB, I think more efficiency at UT could be obtained by trimming down the administration, their pet projects, salaries, golden parachutes, and sweet-heart deals and contracts to one another and their friends on the BOT.

Concerning Jacobs, you can't run a university as ham-handed, arrogantly arbitrarily, and feudalistically as he has done and expect students, faculty, and staff to jump on board. They may go through the motions of obedience out of fear and intimidation, but without their support it is impossible to get anything meaningful done. The attitude of "the beatings will continue until moral and efficiency improve" just does not work.

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 04, 2013 at 08:16:45 am     #   3 people liked this

the stansley thing ought to peeve everyone and is another indication of how government and gov institutions in nw ohio are the golden goose for the few well connected... this really is a bi-partisian issue because the well connected from both sides, the same old families, have rigged things to work for themselves. like back in the old days when the local dems and reps would fight like cats and dogs when the cameras were on and then get state contracts together when nobody was watching.

the over-the-top language doesnt help (i admit i thought the gold joke was funny); even the refocus on the sciences for the university might not be a bad thing... but jeez people, the corruption and bullying by the university and the foundation are right there on the surface. the loss of shame in our society and the focus on partisian win at all cost has led to tolerance of corruption.

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Feb 04, 2013 at 09:49:45 am     #   1 person liked this

The latest letter to dept. Deans from that fckwit Provost Scott Scarborough seems to have been "leaked" to the faculty. It is in regards to increased course loads for faculty. It basically says that if the faculty doesn't buckle to the demands of UT those people can be replaced by people who will! The tone of the letter was actually very threatening. And the beatings will continue.....

posted by RockChick on Feb 04, 2013 at 02:34:01 pm     #  

@ilovetoledo....thankyou so much for your posts! If people new half the stuff that goes on there.

posted by RockChick on Feb 04, 2013 at 02:37:48 pm     #  

Building on Buster's idea that some universities will be closed by the end of the decade, I'd say this is not just a UT / state of Ohio problem.

Distance learning has really changed the playing field for all institutions. I remember looking into a graduate program at UT a few years back (and I posted a whiny lament here!) but it was obvious to me back then that many schools are now set up to take anyone's tuition money from anywhere and let them learn at their own computer in their own home.

So who needs real teachers in real offices and real classrooms in real buildings with real parking lots? Why pay to maintain all of that in duplicated campuses statewide? One or two real "university environments" could serve the entire state, for those who want the human interaction. (For the record: I would be one of those paying to sit with live, learned people).

I would like to see the governor combine two valuable resources: the Ohio Turnpike and one of our faltering state universities/colleges: let people on the highway take a class on their smartphones and/or tablets while driving the turnpike. For the price of a toll, they can earn a partial college credit. They'll be texting and tweeting while they drive, anyway. :-)

posted by viola on Feb 04, 2013 at 05:18:00 pm     #   1 person liked this

Viola, Who do you think designs all of those onlne classes, makes the Power Point presentations that go with the lectures and who reads and grades online essays?? WHO answers students questions via email and who puts the students grades in the computer? And here is the big one who makes sure that the students don't cheat??? A PROFESSOR!

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posted by RockChick on Feb 04, 2013 at 07:44:16 pm     #   1 person liked this

RockChick posted at 06:44:16 PM on Feb 04, 2013:

Viola, Who do you think designs all of those onlne classes, makes the Power Point presentations that go with the lectures and who reads and grades online essays?? WHO answers students questions via email and who puts the students grades in the computer? And here is the big one who makes sure that the students don't cheat??? A PROFESSOR!

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Well, the professor (or instructor, increasingly) and the CMS admins/support.

posted by researcher on Feb 04, 2013 at 07:47:06 pm     #  

If distance learning is causing this, then GOOD. Education was supposed to become more efficient through the use of information technology. That means laid off professors and instructors. That's what efficiency means: Do more with less. "Less" here being less of the Golden Class.

posted by GuestZero on Feb 04, 2013 at 08:41:31 pm     #  

I think you forgot the important part: $34K Golden Class!

posted by researcher on Feb 04, 2013 at 08:43:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

RockChick posted at 06:44:16 PM on Feb 04, 2013:

Viola, Who do you think designs all of those onlne classes, makes the Power Point presentations that go with the lectures and who reads and grades online essays?? WHO answers students questions via email and who puts the students grades in the computer? And here is the big one who makes sure that the students don't cheat??? A PROFESSOR!

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True. I remember this very issue coming up pretty often in a poli sci class I had at UT before I transferred. The professor clearly saw the writing on the wall and brought it up.

Basically you can take Econ 101 and get the best professor in the land to record his/her lectures. Professors already know 90% of the FAQs, so they have those available and answered.

Instead of teaching 80 students, a few grad students can grade papers for 250 kids, and you don't even need the classroom.

You can already take hundreds of courses online from Yale, Harvard, Oxford, etc FOR FREE (I highly recommend the Capitalism Crisis/Reform class from Yale). I took an entire microfinance class through Stanford last semester via Skype at Ohio State, it was awesome and we were able to interact with Palo Alto through the keyboard. Hell, I got through all of the basic engineering math at Ohio State thanks to YouTube examples from kind souls.

Capitalism inherently replaces people with machinery/technology. Education will be no different.

posted by BusterBluth on Feb 04, 2013 at 11:26:27 pm     #  

BusterBluth posted at 10:26:27 PM on Feb 04, 2013:
RockChick posted at 06:44:16 PM on Feb 04, 2013:

Viola, Who do you think designs all of those onlne classes, makes the Power Point presentations that go with the lectures and who reads and grades online essays?? WHO answers students questions via email and who puts the students grades in the computer? And here is the big one who makes sure that the students don't cheat??? A PROFESSOR!

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True. I remember this very issue coming up pretty often in a poli sci class I had at UT before I transferred. The professor clearly saw the writing on the wall and brought it up.

Basically you can take Econ 101 and get the best professor in the land to record his/her lectures. Professors already know 90% of the FAQs, so they have those available and answered.

Instead of teaching 80 students, a few grad students can grade papers for 250 kids, and you don't even need the classroom.

You can already take hundreds of courses online from Yale, Harvard, Oxford, etc FOR FREE (I highly recommend the Capitalism Crisis/Reform class from Yale). I took an entire microfinance class through Stanford last semester via Skype at Ohio State, it was awesome and we were able to interact with Palo Alto through the keyboard. Hell, I got through all of the basic engineering math at Ohio State thanks to YouTube examples from kind souls.

Capitalism inherently replaces people with machinery/technology. Education will be no different.

The problem is that cheating will scale with technology as well. So there need to be methods to prove that you actually learned things in your class. Online exams are prone to cheating, so the only case I can see is the examiner comes to you, or you go to the examiner. Which means we're going to need physical testing centers and to get rid of the "multiple guess" mindset whereby someone can just memorize a test bank of questions and a few computer-based lab exercises, and go back to oral exams, written exams, and practical exams. The honor system just ain't gonna cut it.

posted by anonymouscoward on Feb 04, 2013 at 11:32:46 pm     #  

A lot of places I have heard from simply make you leave your webcam on and plugged into their network so they can/could see your screen. Most aren't so...invasive.

posted by BusterBluth on Feb 05, 2013 at 02:51:47 am     #  

My feeling is that it is a fundamental mistake. Students need personal interaction with a professor to grow and mature. And professors need interaction with students to grow into outstanding professors. They are not just born. They too are the product of a classroom experience. It just seems so wrong. Video taped lectures? Better they should read an excellent book, but wait...that has always been available! It is fundamentally wrong to equate the availability of knowledge and information with education.

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 05, 2013 at 05:40:29 am     #   1 person liked this

Also, while the children of the plebes are studying vocational training to become functional drones, you can bet that the elites children will continue to be in real classrooms learning critical thinking, leadership, and history, (at least their version of it) and networking as well. I think it is still a big plot to cheat the little folks.

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 05, 2013 at 05:56:08 am     #   1 person liked this

With the advances in understanding of the brain and the technology available to interact with it, it gives me and idea of where this will all be unavoidably heading. You may laugh, but how long will it be before "education" becomes hooking your brain up to some device that reprograms it to "learn" a subject? And maybe "correct" any "wrong thinking" while you are at it? Think how cheap that would be! Or if you want to learn a foreign language, just plug in some chip that might also give you a discount for your insurance if it keeps you from drinking, smoking, or killing people. Wow! A society filled with people full of knowledge and ability without the discipline needed to acquire it! Think about how scary that is! Think about the opportunities for control!

I think the Amish have it right. God, other people, having children, working hard, and cooking good food are really the most important things; all of our technology is becoming a pestilence to us.

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 05, 2013 at 06:28:32 am     #   1 person liked this

^ Yep I agree with most of the above. Amish food is pretty terrible ... at least judging by what's been sold to me. Maybe things would be different in a family home :-)

posted by viola on Feb 05, 2013 at 08:18:42 am     #