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Whats the deal with ammunition? I've been looking for 9mm and its darn near impossible to find. I finally found some at Toledo Tactical over on Glanzman, they had around 200 boxes on Thursday.

created by tm2 on Feb 04, 2013 at 04:55:36 pm     Other     Comments: 46

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Everything is nearly impossible to find at a decent price. Ammo and rifles are through the roof at crazy prices.

posted by pete on Feb 04, 2013 at 05:37:50 pm     #  

is walmart sold out?

posted by upso on Feb 04, 2013 at 06:00:03 pm     #  

Clelands has ammo, Walmart gets daily shipments. last weekend Walmart on central had 9mm 40, 223 and 45acp in stock.

posted by jhop on Feb 04, 2013 at 06:35:54 pm     #  

jhop posted at 05:35:54 PM on Feb 04, 2013:

Clelands has ammo, Walmart gets daily shipments. last weekend Walmart on central had 9mm 40, 223 and 45acp in stock.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/31/news/companies/walmart-gun-ammunition/

posted by anonymouscoward on Feb 04, 2013 at 07:25:09 pm     #  

Anyone know where to get some .22LR? I've checked out pretty much every WM and Meijers on Toledo and Oregon and can't find squat?

If anyone here see's any bricks (500ish round box) for $20-25 dollars and would be kind enough to pick me up a box or 2 I'd appreciate it. Just plinking ammo, nothing expensive needed.

Anyone looking for 9mm or .40 don't bother going to Monroe. I stopped by WM and Dunhams and they have squat there too. Dunhams had some of the high dollar .40 but no plinking ammo.

posted by Erin on Feb 04, 2013 at 07:41:49 pm     #  

I work out at Urban Active and have been checking out Wal-Mart about three times a week. 9MM has been empty for a month or more when I checked. I'm sure there is a secret when to go that some people know. Maybe check with the people working back there on when a good time is to come in.

For future reference Target Sports is where I have made bulk purchases of 9MM in the past and had great service and relatively good pricing (with free shipping) but like everyone else they are dry.

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/default.aspx

posted by Danneskjold on Feb 04, 2013 at 08:22:17 pm     #  

let us know if you see anything at walmart! i'd like to stock up

posted by upso on Feb 04, 2013 at 10:27:29 pm     #  

When things started getting wierd in December, I started buying ammo online. I found that you could order some that was backordered, wait for it, and they would fill the back orders when some came in. Much easier than running around town, as long as you don't mind the UPS guy bringing you ORM-D.

Some folks offer coupons and free shipping that often offset the cost difference. In some cases, I have gotten it online for less, including shipping.
Had great luck with Sportsmans Guide, although the paranoid think that they will "tell on you" for buying ammo.
The real challenge seems to be .223, although I don't own anything chambered in that round.

If you get frustrated looking, and have the funds, you can get anything you need on Gunbroker.com.

posted by justread on Feb 05, 2013 at 07:30:11 am     #  

upso posted at 09:27:29 PM on Feb 04, 2013:

let us know if you see anything at walmart! i'd like to stock up

It comes and goes quick.

posted by justread on Feb 05, 2013 at 07:30:28 am     #  

I went to Shooters of Maumee last weekend after running and calling around quite a bit looking for .22LR. They had .22LR and just about every other caliber in stock. They like to keep it for use in their rentals, but my understanding is they will sell ammo in limited quantities. You might want to give them a shout.

posted by Solleks on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:02:50 pm     #  

They won't sell it "to go," but they will sell it for use on their range in your firearm.

posted by justread on Feb 05, 2013 at 12:20:29 pm     #  

Just went to the following.

Gander Mtn. they had .40 in stock
WM on McCohrd they had some 9mm and .40
Meijer on Central some 44mag
WM on Central Pretty much squat

All had plenty of shotgun shells though.

I need some .22lr!!!!

posted by Erin on Feb 06, 2013 at 10:27:03 pm     #  

Walmart in Perrysburg had both 9mm and 22lr as of last night. They had quite a bit, but there was a 3 box limit.

posted by tm2 on Feb 07, 2013 at 08:41:33 am     #  

Makes me sad for the days when I could stroll into The Andersons in Maumee on a Saturday afternoon and buy all the .22 and 9mm ammo I could carry.

posted by SavageFred on Feb 07, 2013 at 11:29:18 am     #  

I just ordered 1K of CCI minimags. Price was a bit high at $10 a box, but I wanted to make sure I had it for this summer. Great website for ammo availability is

www.gunbot.net Gets updated every 90seconds.

posted by Erin on Feb 07, 2013 at 09:03:43 pm     #  

Thanks for the link, Erin.

posted by madjack on Feb 07, 2013 at 09:08:56 pm     #  

I think that you will like the CCI mini mags. There really is a difference between them and the cheapies like Winchester wildcats. Zero FTFs.

Btw... you could have gotten 1500 for around the same price plus shipping from Cabela's in the 375 round box x 4.

Gander Mountian usually has the 375 round bulk pack for about 27 bucks.

posted by justread on Feb 07, 2013 at 09:11:45 pm     #  

Mountain. :)

posted by justread on Feb 07, 2013 at 09:12:38 pm     #  

http://wideners.com/ IMO, the best online source, and has many hard to find calibers.

posted by Wulf on Feb 07, 2013 at 09:14:52 pm     #  

Awww they dont have 32 cal rimfire.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 08, 2013 at 03:27:39 pm     #  

Linecrosser posted at 02:27:39 PM on Feb 08, 2013:

Awww they dont have 32 cal rimfire.

Could be less expensive and easier to find than .223 :)

Limit one ROUND per customer.

http://www.ammo-one.com/32-LONG-R-F.html

posted by justread on Feb 08, 2013 at 03:33:34 pm     #  

I have a marlin model 92 32 cal rifle, unfortunately its rim fire, but the gun smith I took it to said that year they switched to center fire and that was probably the last batch that was made in rim fire, I never did follow up with him about maybe converting it to center fire. It's been sitting in a closet up at my brothers house for probably 20 years, I should go get it one of these days and see about what I can do with it or just sell it.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 08, 2013 at 04:00:53 pm     #  

Never having heard of .32 rimfire, I did a little research and discovered it went out of production in the early 70s. A little more research yielded this picture, which I'm using without permission.

Which .32 RF cartridge are you looking for?

posted by madjack on Feb 08, 2013 at 04:29:12 pm     #  

My dad (80 year old shooter) seriously considered one recently, but passed. (On the deal, not from this earth) It was overpriced IMO.
I found this at the time, maybe it would help.

http://www.shootersforum.com/leverguns-their-cartridges-general/57159-marlin-1892-32-long-colt-32-rimfire.html

posted by justread on Feb 08, 2013 at 04:47:17 pm     #  

I read up a little earlier, they do have methods and ways to convert it to center fire, that model supposedly came either with a reversible firing pin or you could change it for another pin, problem is modern SW cartridges are thicker in the cartridge area, I think when I get around to it, I will just go to a gun smith and see what they can do for me. I remember that the gun smith I seen in Georgia told me that the year mine was made thinking 1918 was the last year they made rim fire for that model and sometime during that year production went to all center fire, he was a little surprised that it wasn't center fire.

I believe it took 32 long and 32 long rifle but could also fire 32 short. I don't have access to it to get the serial number right now or would look up more info on it. Looking at one sight last post was in 2010 they valued the gun at $1,200 so I might even sell the darn thing, there was also talk that some ammunition maker had made a small run on 32 rim fire ammunition in the last 10 years or so. So the ammo might be more readily available than I thought. Most of what I say was old production not guaranteed to fire and was going for 12-24 bucks per round. Not really affordable in my opinion.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 08, 2013 at 05:10:07 pm     #  

No doubt.

posted by justread on Feb 08, 2013 at 07:48:34 pm     #  

Didn't Fiochi recently produce a bunch of it?

posted by Wulf on Feb 08, 2013 at 08:01:53 pm     #  

I stockpiled over 5000 rnds of 22lr. Burned about 600 rnds on Friday. Have another 2000 coming from gunbroker people. Have 4000+ of .223 and another 3400 of 7.62.

Slide firing my AR is getting to be real expensive.

posted by Star56 on Feb 09, 2013 at 02:27:11 am     #  

Went up to Johnsons in Adrian today. They had some .22 ammo and were limiting it to 1 brick per person. So I at least got a Winchester 525rd brick for $22. I stopped at the Meijers and WM before I went to Johnsons and they had squat.

I also stopped in at Cabela's. Chaos as usual. No .22 or .223 to be found. I did pick up a tumbler though. Now I need some .40 180gr FMJ's.

posted by Erin on Feb 09, 2013 at 06:59:20 pm     #  

So I went out to Jacko's Guns R' Us and got some .45lrpctus, then drove up to Wally's FMJ's Depot and picked a few boxes of .234567LR! I was all like, " I just need about 4,500 rounds more of those .234567LR's for plinking and I'll be all set!"

posted by hunkytownsausage on Feb 09, 2013 at 09:25:32 pm     #  

Just don't hide them in the same places you hide the sausage.

posted by justread on Feb 10, 2013 at 08:20:43 am     #   2 people liked this

Hit Bass Pro yesterday, had a $25 gift card for them through the NRA. Worth a look, but I knew I'd walk out with some targets, maybe gun cleaner instead of ammo.

Ammo aisles packed with men like me scanning the shelves thinking maybe they accidentally put the .45 ACP down where they normally stock obscure Yugoslavian 8X34HMR puggle sniffler rounds. Nope. I have some 9 and .22lr....and an overpriced box of .45 I bought a few weeks ago. Dont wanna go shooting, I'll shoot that one box of .45 and don't know when I'll see it again.

The gun dept was crazy packed and I left. Bought a nice shirt instead. Cut the shirt in pieces, jammed it in my 1911. Refuses to cycle.

posted by Bruno on Feb 10, 2013 at 10:42:15 am     #  

Erin check out precision delta
http://www.precisiondelta.com/detail.php?sku=B-40-180-FMJ

posted by jhop on Feb 10, 2013 at 04:48:54 pm     #  

Stocked upped at Fin Feather and Fur in Ashland Ohio over the weekend limited to 8 boxs of 9mm 1000 rounds of 22

posted by In_vin_veritas on Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:37 pm     #  

looking online, it seems like a lot of places are selling. anyone have any success ordering from places like cabelas online?

posted by upso on Feb 10, 2013 at 08:25:02 pm     #  

upso posted at 07:25:02 PM on Feb 10, 2013:

looking online, it seems like a lot of places are selling. anyone have any success ordering from places like cabelas online?

Yes.

posted by justread on Feb 10, 2013 at 09:37:32 pm     #  

Precision Delta has a 2k min. Anyone want to join on a shipment of .40 FMJ bullets?

posted by Erin on Feb 10, 2013 at 09:58:27 pm     #  

the 2k minimum is for free shipping, somwhere on the website they say they will sell 1k with an additional charge. i have shot around 4k in 9mm and 2k in 45 from them and am really happy so far. Johnson's sporting goods in Adrian stocks several different bullets from precision delta.

posted by jhop on Feb 10, 2013 at 11:34:43 pm     #  

Stopped at gander this morning, maybe grab a box of .45 auto if they had it....walked in and they were putting a PALLET of bulk .45 on the floor. Nice find, 400 @ $219.

posted by Bruno on Feb 23, 2013 at 10:32:10 am     #  

THe main reason for the shortage is Homeland Security. They've bought like 2.5 billion rounds over the last few years and extending in the next couple. This is roughly equivalent to 20 times what the US military spent in its busiest year in Iraq. DHS claims its saving money by buying in bulk, their opponents claim they're enacting a sort of backdoor gun control by eating up the available ammunition, and whackjobs claim they're doing it to throw us all in FEMA camps or some such nonesense. Regardless though its a ridiculous amount purchased.

posted by taliesin52 on Feb 23, 2013 at 02:45:39 pm     #  

Great deal, Bruno...

Regarding online ammo:

Cheaper Than Dirt was selling Tula Ammo Russian-made .45 ACP $300 for 500rds. So I bought some and it worked well for plinking and just silhouette shooting. I don't rely on it for mission-essential tasks though.

Now, it appears as though the Tula Ammo is gone from the Web site -- maybe for good?

posted by paulhem on Feb 26, 2013 at 11:54:15 am     #  

Bruno posted at 09:32:10 AM on Feb 23, 2013:

Stopped at gander this morning, maybe grab a box of .45 auto if they had it....walked in and they were putting a PALLET of bulk .45 on the floor. Nice find, 400 @ $219.

Not sure which location that was, but I have taken Gander Mountain off of my list for good. Consistently zero handgun ammo. Tired of stopping by there and leaving empty handed.

posted by justread on Mar 05, 2013 at 04:08:16 pm     #  

justread posted at 03:08:16 PM on Mar 05, 2013:
Bruno posted at 09:32:10 AM on Feb 23, 2013:

Stopped at gander this morning, maybe grab a box of .45 auto if they had it....walked in and they were putting a PALLET of bulk .45 on the floor. Nice find, 400 @ $219.

Not sure which location that was, but I have taken Gander Mountain off of my list for good. Consistently zero handgun ammo. Tired of stopping by there and leaving empty handed.

Spring Meadows, er well the one east of there on holland sylvania. The actual shelves were bare of 22, 9 and 45. Had the chance to buy 8 boxes in bulk and jumped on it. I try not to think it's 50 plus cents a squeeze. I have enough 22 and 9 to wait things out, but freak when running low on 45.

posted by Bruno on Mar 05, 2013 at 06:25:13 pm     #  

They had empty shelves today and a "2 box maximum" sign. The table that they used to stock the CCI 250-350 packs on is gone.
They are remodeling too.

posted by justread on Mar 05, 2013 at 07:24:00 pm     #  

THe main reason for the shortage is Homeland Security. They've bought like 2.5 billion rounds over the last few years and extending in the next couple. This is roughly equivalent to 20 times what the US military spent in its busiest year in Iraq. DHS claims its saving money by buying in bulk, their opponents claim they're enacting a sort of backdoor gun control by eating up the available ammunition, and whackjobs claim they're doing it to throw us all in FEMA camps or some such nonesense. Regardless though its a ridiculous amount purchased.

Ammo manufacturer says its not the case. From the Hornady website:

"A Word on Availability

The current political climate has caused extremely high demand on all shooting industry products, including ours. Empty retail shelves, long backorders, and exaggerated price increases on online auction sites – all fueled by rumors and conjecture – have amplified concerns about the availability of ammunition and firearms-related items.

If the information you hear doesn’t originate from Hornady Manufacturing, don’t believe it.

Here are some of rumors we’ve heard, and questions we’ve received:

....

Q: Since we can’t find your product you must be selling it all to the government.
A: Nope, less than 5% of our sales are to government entities."

I see the ammunition shortage more like a bank run. Gun owners are paranoid concerned there won't be ammunition to buy, so they buy as much as they can thus leading to a shortage of ammunition. Sort of like a self fulfilling prophecy.

posted by Ace_Face on Mar 06, 2013 at 05:17:15 pm     #   1 person liked this

http://www.toledotactical.com/

They have AR15 30round mags in stock at the moment, if anyone is interested. But it looks like they are out of ammo again.

posted by tm2 on Mar 07, 2013 at 09:15:04 am     #