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created by meow2 on Feb 06, 2013 at 06:02:02 pm     Other     Comments: 23

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Saturday basic service to be sstopped.

posted by meow2 on Feb 06, 2013 at 06:02:53 pm     #  

What they need to do is charge more for junk mail than the traditional letter. And magazines and flyers charge double. Would reduce the junk we get in the box.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 06, 2013 at 06:28:47 pm     #   2 people liked this

Yes and no...they need to figure out the price point at which the majority of mass marketers will still use USPS. Doubling rates is a guaranteed way for 50% or more of business to walk out the door. They can't afford it.

It's the same reason why first class stamps only go up 1 or 2 cents at a time, when they should (considering the financial straits the post office is in) go up to $1, minimum. Make stamps $1 and all of the sudden email greetings look a lot better than Hallmark cards...

Boil the frog slowly...

posted by oldhometown on Feb 06, 2013 at 06:37:58 pm     #   1 person liked this

They should have dropped Sat delivery 10 years ago. How's that for efficiency, eh? I loved it when the USPO was reported to have started a job bank. Employees not working, sitting around, collecting paychecks. The finest results that unionization has to offer.

Junk mail goes straight into the recycle bin. Americans are the dumbest people on Earth about these things.

posted by GuestZero on Feb 06, 2013 at 06:53:39 pm     #  

We still use the mail and are at the post office at least one day a week mailing something. Our mail people have been great. Our mailman who retired last year saved the life of our elderly neighbor by noticing his mail was not picked up and called police. He had fallen and could not get up. Quite a hero I think.

We also must get mail order drugs when possible with out insurance. I still send cards and hand written notes. Can't the PO at least wait till my generation dies off to make big changes? Yikes.

posted by jackie on Feb 06, 2013 at 07:31:08 pm     #  

Since we pay most all of our bills via electronic funds transfer / automatic debit, almost everything that arrives in the mail is junk. It would be more efficient for me to have the mail carrier deliver the mail in the recycling bin, and once a week I could just saunter out and see if anything worthwhile actually came in.

Anything of value or importance I receive arrives via FedEx or UPS. Occasionally I will buy something on eBay where some lonely soul still uses USPS, but that is pretty rare.

So for me, I will not miss Saturday delivery. Just one less day to hear the dogs bark incessantly when the carrier shows up.

posted by historymike on Feb 06, 2013 at 07:38:03 pm     #   4 people liked this

Fits in with the larger plot to eliminate more and more public services and employees....*sigh*....less of everything for every commoner...

posted by ilovetoledo on Feb 06, 2013 at 07:41:59 pm     #  

GuestZero posted at 05:53:39 PM on Feb 06, 2013:

They should have dropped Sat delivery 10 years ago. How's that for efficiency, eh? I loved it when the USPO was reported to have started a job bank. Employees not working, sitting around, collecting paychecks. The finest results that unionization has to offer.

Junk mail goes straight into the recycle bin. Americans are the dumbest people on Earth about these things.

I was aware of the old UAW jobs bank; instituted to discourage the auto makers from adopting erratic hire/layoff/hire/layoff patterns...but was not aware of such a program for the USPS. Can you refer me to anything online about it? A google search turned up nothing.

Thanks, GZ.

posted by Sohio on Feb 06, 2013 at 07:52:33 pm     #  

historymike posted at 06:38:03 PM on Feb 06, 2013:

Since we pay most all of our bills via electronic funds transfer / automatic debit, almost everything that arrives in the mail is junk. It would be more efficient for me to have the mail carrier deliver the mail in the recycling bin, and once a week I could just saunter out and see if anything worthwhile actually came in.

Anything of value or importance I receive arrives via FedEx or UPS. Occasionally I will buy something on eBay where some lonely soul still uses USPS, but that is pretty rare.

So for me, I will not miss Saturday delivery. Just one less day to hear the dogs bark incessantly when the carrier shows up.

I have been receiving a lot of things via "UPS Mail Innovations." It seems to go part of the way via UPS and part via USPS. (Shrug.)

I also noticed that on Gunbroker.com, the USPS money order is king.

posted by justread on Feb 06, 2013 at 08:38:55 pm     #  

And Netflix DVD delivery loses a day too. Dammit.

posted by anonymouscoward on Feb 06, 2013 at 08:59:28 pm     #  

get a roku box! it's cheaper than DVD

posted by upso on Feb 06, 2013 at 09:05:24 pm     #   1 person liked this

upso posted at 08:05:24 PM on Feb 06, 2013:

get a roku box! it's cheaper than DVD

I have one.

Not everything is available via streaming.

BTW if you didn't know about this for your Roku:

http://streamfree.tv/apps/roku-private-channels/all/
http://streamfree.tv/apps/roku-private-channels/local-media-streaming/
http://streamfree.tv/apps/roku-private-channels/live-streaming-channels/
http://www.roku-channels.com/

posted by anonymouscoward on Feb 06, 2013 at 10:00:05 pm     #  

They could even go to M-W-F only

posted by Hoops on Feb 06, 2013 at 10:12:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

Packages and medicine will still be delivered on Saturday. Do they still have to fund their pensions 100% for the next 25 years? I know that was part of the reason they were so broke, funding pensions for future employees.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 06, 2013 at 10:13:49 pm     #  

I would rather see them drop Tue or Thu.

posted by Linecrosser on Feb 06, 2013 at 10:14:33 pm     #  

Sohio, this was unexpectedly difficult to find. Apparently "job bank" is the wrong way to search for this info. I finally found it using a "idle workers" qualifier instead.

Postal Service, Losing Billions, Pays Millions to Idle Workers
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Postal-service-losing-idle/2011/08/30/id/409171

"Despite facing $9 billion in losses this year, the U.S. Postal Service is paying out millions to thousands of workers doing nothing. However, the numbers are down from two years ago, The Washington Post reported.

The payments are made under a labor agreement governing “standby time,” which prohibits layoffs or reassignments for employees during times when equipment is broken or there is low mail volume. Under the agreements, the workers must show up for work and spend their shift in a break room or cafeteria, the Post blog the Federal Eye reported.

[...]

Supervisors rarely used the standby option until 2009, when mail volume began to drop dramatically, according to the Post."

posted by GuestZero on Feb 06, 2013 at 11:56:15 pm     #  

This should have happened at least 20 years ago.

The Saturday delivery schedule has all but guaranteed carriers an overtime day each week for many years, if wanted. I'm sure the letter carriers union hates the decision, but every union hates efficiency.

The scheduling at local offices now becomes much easier.

Additionally, the environmental benefit is large.

I usually bash USPS as it's notorious for being an inefficient organization, but dropping Saturday delivery is an excellent decision.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 07, 2013 at 04:26:15 am     #  

Occasionally I will buy something on eBay where some lonely soul still uses USPS, but that is pretty rare.

My husband has an eBay business and he uses USPS almost exclusively because of the priority mail flat rate boxes. UPS and FedEx can't touch those rates for shirt-box size items up to 70 lbs. and USPS has introduced different boxes like the game board size box and regional flat rate boxes. For shipping small and medium size USPS can't be beat.

posted by MrsArcher on Feb 07, 2013 at 05:04:13 am     #   2 people liked this

I've bitched about it too, but when you think that you can send a letter from NY to LA for under a buck, it's pretty amazing. I'm not too concerned over the Saturday delivery bit, but I do feel it's important to keep the USPS a viable entity.

And I don't begrudge the employees for making a fair wage or having a pension; earning enough money to support and care for your family is an important part of a civilized society. Maybe they should look at heavily revising the pension system for more personal investment or savings options w/less guaranteed income.

The USPS turned a profit in the billions in the years form 2003-2006. Aside from the US Postal Act (requires billions be put in healthcare fund for employees) being enacted, I wonder how much of this has to do with rising energy costs? Gas and diesel alone were consistently under $2.00 a gallon until 2006.

I have no USPS affiliation, and don't even know any employees personally.

posted by SavageFred on Feb 07, 2013 at 11:53:13 am     #  

USPS has remained the best option for media, but those prices for international shipments have skyrocketed lately. I know a number of very small business that have given up due to those costs. Such is life.

posted by researcher on Feb 07, 2013 at 12:29:41 pm     #  

researcher posted at 11:29:41 AM on Feb 07, 2013:

USPS has remained the best option for media, but those prices for international shipments have skyrocketed lately. I know a number of very small business that have given up due to those costs. Such is life.

Costs of international shipments are going up because our dollar isn't worth as much as it used to be. Gee, I wonder why.

posted by MrsArcher on Feb 07, 2013 at 12:45:35 pm     #   2 people liked this

I agree with MrsArcher regarding the USPS flat rate boxes. A great deal if you can use them.

Our mail order medicine comes first class and not in a package. I would think it would require extra time.

Even if we paid all our bill electronically (we do not) our household gets monthly bills from Medicare, our Medicare Supplement provider and the many doctors, labs, etc. we see on a regular basis. As you age the mail at your household changes.

posted by jackie on Feb 07, 2013 at 01:10:05 pm     #  

MrsArcher posted at 11:45:35 AM on Feb 07, 2013:
researcher posted at 11:29:41 AM on Feb 07, 2013:

USPS has remained the best option for media, but those prices for international shipments have skyrocketed lately. I know a number of very small business that have given up due to those costs. Such is life.

Costs of international shipments are going up because our dollar isn't worth as much as it used to be. Gee, I wonder why.

Well, we are printing them as fast as we can, so I am sure that they will be worth more soon.

posted by justread on Feb 07, 2013 at 01:27:46 pm     #