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Good news: Investment in Toledo Bad News: Its for an expanding homeless shelter

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Im all for the mission being in a position to help more people. It's just sad that the increased resources are neccessary.

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My spouse and I just paid a total of $74,000 in state, local, and federal income taxes (and we're not 1 percenters). How can we: 1) continue to afford to donate to homeless shelters--our own family is the priority for our dwindling net income and 2) why would we choose to make donations to organizations that we are already paying toward via our tax dollars funding various food, shelter, education, and employment programs for the homeless?

posted by Elva on Feb 20, 2013 at 12:26:55 pm     #  

...ok? This is an article about them consolidating their operations into one location, and how much more effective their efforts will be once that has been done. The words "donate," "charity," or "funding/funds" aren't used a single time in it.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 20, 2013 at 12:36:34 pm     #  

Elva posted at 11:26:55 AM on Feb 20, 2013:

My spouse and I just paid a total of $74,000 in state, local, and federal income taxes (and we're not 1 percenters). How can we: 1) continue to afford to donate to homeless shelters--our own family is the priority for our dwindling net income and 2) why would we choose to make donations to organizations that we are already paying toward via our tax dollars funding various food, shelter, education, and employment programs for the homeless?

So if you are paying in 74k and going by the average taxes paid, you guys are grossing around $215-300k a year. So you are saying with a net remainder of 150-225K you can't afford to donate and are essentially wanting sympathy by the tone of your post. I will always say your family comes first. However, with in that you probably need to make lifestyle changes if you are feeling too squeezed.

It amazes me that I have some friends who make $20-30k a year and live wonderfully. They go on vacation and just enjoy life. Then I have some that are higher end professionals (professors, doctors, etc) that complain about getting by with their much higher income levels. It all comes down to priorities.

When I was younger and only making $20k a year, I still found time to donate food to the local food bank and such (and not an insignificant amount). The point being you always find a way unless you are just too stubborn to make the change. Also if you just made a tax payment of $74k at once, then you need better tax planning. I keep it to where I am nearly even, slightly overpaid in, every year. I don't want the government to have more of my tax money than they should, but I'm still going to pay in what I legally owe.

Lastly no one said donations had to be $1000 or whatever. I've had people in my life spend all their money donating to a charity without changing their lifestyle that they let their house get foreclosed upon. They kept donating because it made THEM feel good, not for the act of helping others. Donating to a charity is about doing what you can without overextending yourself. Every little bit helps, but you still need to take care of yourself.

This is just an example of the poor fiscal mindset this country has. People see money - gotta spend it. Have credit - gotta spend it. Very few bother to live with in their means or save up for a rainy day when things go downhill.

posted by JustaSooner on Feb 20, 2013 at 12:44:38 pm     #   4 people liked this

Johio83 posted at 11:36:34 AM on Feb 20, 2013:

...ok? This is an article about them consolidating their operations into one location, and how much more effective their efforts will be once that has been done. The words "donate," "charity," or "funding/funds" aren't used a single time in it.

This new poster is interesting to observe...since their wealth keeps coming up. I'm sure it'll continue.

Agree though that this is about consolidation which is only going to help save expenses for the charity overtime. A logical step to better focus their finances towards those that need it most.

posted by JustaSooner on Feb 20, 2013 at 12:46:52 pm     #  

Why is the "Cherry Street Mission" on the corner of Monroe and 17th?

posted by JohnnyMac on Feb 20, 2013 at 12:57:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

For the same reason not all Saks are on 5th Avenue. Started on Cherry half a century ago with that name, but has had other locations pop up.

(I'd like to know why we consistently open schools with misleading names, though. Like Holloway Elementary, located on Pilliod, about a mile down from Holloway.)

posted by Johio83 on Feb 20, 2013 at 01:07:57 pm     #  

My spouse and I just paid a total of $74,000 in state, local, and federal income taxes.

Boo-freaking-hoo, do you actually expect sympathy?

posted by tm2 on Feb 20, 2013 at 01:38:43 pm     #   5 people liked this

I have always believed that the funds one donates to charities are a private matter. Each one of us makes that decision for themselves.

Some of us, and I am one, believe helping those less fortunate people a choice we make and make willingly. It has nothing to do with one's income or fortune. It is how we look at the world around us.

posted by jackie on Feb 20, 2013 at 03:17:58 pm     #   2 people liked this

jackie posted at 02:17:58 PM on Feb 20, 2013:

I have always believed that the funds one donates to charities are a private matter. Each one of us makes that decision for themselves.

Some of us, and I am one, believe helping those less fortunate people a choice we make and make willingly. It has nothing to do with one's income or fortune. It is how we look at the world around us.

Exactly. Great post.

posted by JustaSooner on Feb 20, 2013 at 04:13:37 pm     #   1 person liked this

When I was younger I didnít have any money, but I had time and a strong back. Most charities are desperate for volunteers outside of the holidays.

posted by SensorG on Feb 20, 2013 at 04:27:52 pm     #   1 person liked this

This is a great site to post on! It's really fun to get a rise out of some of the posters (and to see how many times I can mention my income)!

posted by Elva on Feb 20, 2013 at 10:17:05 pm     #  

good lord you are boring

posted by nits on Feb 20, 2013 at 10:21:36 pm     #   9 people liked this

I am glad they found a use for that building as it is a piece of Toledo history and I would hate to see it be torn down.

I don't know if any TTalkers attended DeVilbiss, but I took a college class that was held there (through UT) several years ago and the architecture and woodwork amazed me. It was truly beautiful. I (it is the German in me) want to paint and fix up these older buildings!

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 20, 2013 at 11:38:55 pm     #   1 person liked this

Elva posted at 09:17:05 PM on Feb 20, 2013:

This is a great site to post on! It's really fun to get a rise out of some of the posters (and to see how many times I can mention my income)!

Well that was quick. Usually takes a couple more days to get a troll to admit their true purpose (being a distraction and annoy the community). Sigh. I guess it is nice to know that you have no desire to contribute to the TT community in a positive manner.

posted by JustaSooner on Feb 21, 2013 at 02:22:48 am     #   1 person liked this

I can't be the only one who shakes their head whenever they see a homeless shelter on Toledo's biggest street, right? Monroe is Toledo's most important corridor, the equivalent of High Street, Euclid Avenue, Woodward Avenue, Vine Street, etc in surrounding cities. Suburbanites (irrationally) fear the homeless, and having a gigantic homeless shelter dwarfing the surroundings isn't what I would call a "boost" for the area.

posted by BusterBluth on Feb 21, 2013 at 05:21:17 am     #  

BusterBluth posted at 04:21:17 AM on Feb 21, 2013:

I can't be the only one who shakes their head whenever they see a homeless shelter on Toledo's biggest street, right? Monroe is Toledo's most important corridor, the equivalent of High Street, Euclid Avenue, Woodward Avenue, Vine Street, etc in surrounding cities. Suburbanites (irrationally) fear the homeless, and having a gigantic homeless shelter dwarfing the surroundings isn't what I would call a "boost" for the area.

I would hardly consider Monroe St. downtown that important. If you said said Monroe near Talmadge, I would agree.

posted by slowsol on Feb 21, 2013 at 09:49:52 am     #  

buster, slowsol,

Yes, Monroe is very important to downtown. However, this section isn't really in what most would consider the "downtown" area. It's right off of the I-75 entrance, so not really a section that I think you'd see many pedestrians. If it were 8 or 9 blocks toward the river, then I'd agree that this would be a huge detriment to the advancement of downtown, but I don't think that will be the case with it's present location.

I think this brings up a pretty interesting question, though. Where would the best place for a homeless shelter be? In the middle of a downtown isn't a good place, because you want to promote safe walkability, and putting a bunch of have nots with a bunch of haves isn't going to help that happen. Putting it out in the country is useless, because how are the homeless supposed to get there then? So how do you put it somewhere with high density (so the homeless can easily get there) while making sure you don't deter others from being near that area?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 21, 2013 at 10:10:09 am     #  

Where would the best place for a homeless shelter be?

Put them out by the airport.

posted by MattL on Feb 21, 2013 at 10:12:56 am     #   1 person liked this

...and before some of my favorite fellow TTers jump all over what I just said, yes, I'm aware that Macomber is downtown. What I'm trying to say is that it isn't in the active areas of downtown. The Warehouse District, which stretches up to about 10th street and Monroe, the Central Business District, which stretches from the river to about Monroe and Michigan on over to Cherry, and UpTown, which is basically sandwiched between the CBD, Old West End, down Madison and Adams streets. The area between 10th and Madison and stretching westward is a section of downtown where you wouldn't typically expect pedestrian traffic.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 21, 2013 at 10:18:19 am     #  

Best place ???? Airport, Perrysburg, Bowling Green, Detroit

posted by Hoops on Feb 21, 2013 at 10:22:59 am     #