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Why would the CAO of TPS want to be a superintendent in Rossford? Especially when the top TPS position will soon be available? What's the story on this guy?

created by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2013 at 12:59:47 pm     Education     Comments: 22

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Just a wild guess... different school board?

posted by justread on Feb 19, 2013 at 01:12:16 pm     #  

Bulldog:

Even assuming he wants the job in Toledo, why would he wait and only apply to that position? TPS may be committed to hiring from outside the district. He might be more interested in a school district with fewer students and higher state scores and rankings. There could be a million reasons and he would be crazy to not have contingency plans.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Feb 19, 2013 at 01:31:02 pm     #   1 person liked this

I wonder what the salary ranges for the positions are. Perhaps a similar salary with an easier task in Rossford.

TPS is a training ground for talented people, then they leave for the suburbs when they are able to.

posted by Spaceace on Feb 19, 2013 at 01:32:39 pm     #  

without falling into the abyss of hearsay and rumor....but if you were hiring a superintendent, isnt there some factual "background" character issues that might apply to him? A yes or no answer would suffice.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2013 at 01:33:18 pm     #  

I knew that article was out there Nolan and I read his reasoning. I guess Im digging for something deeper than "I could do some good and its a good fit". All I hear from the Toledo area and many within Rossford mumbling about how Rossford is a joke and is damn near East side material. Meanwhile, SIs are jumping thru hoops to get here. Maybe it's the salary/easier task relationship as Spaceace guesses. MAybe it's the Excellent rating? Maybe it's the lack of debt the disctrict enjoys? Or maybe its not so much where theyre going, but what they are leaving. I guess I just find it curious.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2013 at 02:11:50 pm     #  

Being able to get a significant pay raise while either not having to move, or if you do move not far, obviously plays a part. The Rossford job would be a raise for Gault (and other candidates). I would also point you to the section of that article that discusses recent friction between the board and TPS cabinet. As to the referenced hearsay and rumors, I think I know what you are talking about. I don't see that plaing a role; it hasn't yet.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Feb 19, 2013 at 03:48:17 pm     #   1 person liked this

thanks, I was just looking for confirmation that what I was hearing had some level of credibility to it. Personally, I think it should be taken into consideration. Also, I find it almarming that a district the size of Rossford offers such a competitive salary. I dont find that job to be commensurate with a TPS CAO position, nor commensurate with the SIs at Perrysburg, Sylvania, or some of the other much larger districts that pay similar salaries for its administrators. Rossford have/has been spending big money on salaries......and hardly any on buildings.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2013 at 04:41:42 pm     #  

FYI, Rossford named the two finalists for the superintendent position, and Gault is not one of them.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Feb 19, 2013 at 08:52:53 pm     #  

Well Super Lang made over 132,000 a year and the Interim Super McFarland makes about 100,000 a year. Not sure what the surrounding areas pay.

posted by lfrost2125 on Feb 19, 2013 at 09:08:11 pm     #  

And Nolan unless you have a more current article as of Feb 8 Gault was still in the running.

posted by lfrost2125 on Feb 19, 2013 at 09:10:25 pm     #  

Also Rossford will be closing one of the Elementary Schools next year to save money.

posted by lfrost2125 on Feb 19, 2013 at 09:12:04 pm     #  

There's a new article in tomorrow's paper. Board announced today finalists are Creps and Piotrowski.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Feb 19, 2013 at 09:52:55 pm     #   2 people liked this

mighta found out about that "character" issue afterall.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2013 at 10:44:05 pm     #  

There is a Blade article that summarized what area SIs make. Inexplicably, Sue Lang was right up there with Sylvania, Perrysburg, etc.....with a much smaller student population. Not a bad gig, eh?

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2013 at 10:45:39 pm     #  

To be clear: its not next school year. Closing Indian Hills Fall of 2014.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2013 at 10:48:13 pm     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:45:39 PM on Feb 19, 2013:

There is a Blade article that summarized what area SIs make. Inexplicably, Sue Lang was right up there with Sylvania, Perrysburg, etc.....with a much smaller student population. Not a bad gig, eh?

I'm not sure student population is the only factor in whether or not this is a good job with a good salary.

posted by researcher on Feb 19, 2013 at 11:06:35 pm     #  

researcher posted at 10:06:35 PM on Feb 19, 2013:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:45:39 PM on Feb 19, 2013:

There is a Blade article that summarized what area SIs make. Inexplicably, Sue Lang was right up there with Sylvania, Perrysburg, etc.....with a much smaller student population. Not a bad gig, eh?

I'm not sure student population is the only factor in whether or not this is a good job with a good salary.

Having reported to boards, I'd suggest it is the board that makes a good job, or not.

posted by justread on Feb 20, 2013 at 06:21:24 am     #  

justread posted at 05:21:24 AM on Feb 20, 2013:
researcher posted at 10:06:35 PM on Feb 19, 2013:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:45:39 PM on Feb 19, 2013:

There is a Blade article that summarized what area SIs make. Inexplicably, Sue Lang was right up there with Sylvania, Perrysburg, etc.....with a much smaller student population. Not a bad gig, eh?

I'm not sure student population is the only factor in whether or not this is a good job with a good salary.

Having reported to boards, I'd suggest it is the board that makes a good job, or not.

I'm much more inclined to agree with this.

posted by researcher on Feb 20, 2013 at 09:02:48 am     #  

you guys are missing my point. Rossford operates under a much smaller budget than Perrysburg, Sylvania, TPS, etc. But our SIs make similar money to those districts SIs. How well they interact with the board, has little to do with the compensation package. My guess is that the SIs sniff out jobs like Rossford's. Smaller districts, with tidy compensation packages. Can't blame them....but I can blame the BOE. We have significant facility issues at Rossford. A big reason for this is our operational costs are too wrapped up in salaries and bennies, funding standard maintenance items have always been sacrificed. The result is requests for levies....ie tax increases....in the midst of a recession. Ain't gonna happen, especially when everyone knows the reasons behind the lack of money for facilities.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 20, 2013 at 10:16:54 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:16:54 AM on Feb 20, 2013:

you guys are missing my point. Rossford operates under a much smaller budget than Perrysburg, Sylvania, TPS, etc. But our SIs make similar money to those districts SIs. How well they interact with the board, has little to do with the compensation package. My guess is that the SIs sniff out jobs like Rossford's. Smaller districts, with tidy compensation packages. Can't blame them....but I can blame the BOE. We have significant facility issues at Rossford. A big reason for this is our operational costs are too wrapped up in salaries and bennies, funding standard maintenance items have always been sacrificed. The result is requests for levies....ie tax increases....in the midst of a recession. Ain't gonna happen, especially when everyone knows the reasons behind the lack of money for facilities.

Look at it like this:

You can report to a terrible, manipulative, incompetent board for a salary of $180,000 for maybe two years before you are done.
Net income for two years of hell: about $220,000.
Then you have to find another job.

Or, you can report to a pleasant, supportive, competent board for a salary of $110,000 per year for say... 10 years and then retire.
Net income for ten years of calm: about $720,000.
Then you get a PERS retirement package.

Some folks may opt around the drama.

posted by justread on Feb 20, 2013 at 11:25:02 am     #  

Regarding the cost of superintendents....

There are over 700 public school superintendents in Ohio.

Taking benefits into consideration, the average compensation for superintendents range from $135,000 - $349,000.

Lets be conservative and use the low end figure for that....

700 school districts x $135,000 is $94,500,000 in superintendent cost along for public schools in Ohio. This does not take into account the 700 staffs those superintendents have (treasurer, academic officer, secretaries, etc...). With such a high cost for administration of public school districts, it is time we had some consolidation of these districts or services.

posted by Spaceace on Feb 20, 2013 at 02:20:14 pm     #   1 person liked this