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Questions re: old in-ground pool

Our in-ground pool was built in 1962 and we're to the point where we either need to fill it in or completely re-do it.

Two questions:

1) any recommendations on who can do the work to properly fill in an in-ground pool?

2) any recommendations for who can re-do a really old pool including repairs to the crumbling concrete that forms the sides and bottom?

Thanks so much!

created by MaggieThurber on Jun 01, 2013 at 03:28:23 pm     Outdoors     Comments: 22

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If you do decide to fill it in, make sure that whoever does it accounts for settling over time. I just saw a friend of mine's pool that was filled in over a year ago and the deep end sunk about a foot. He is having a heck of a time getting the guy to come back and finish filling it. Also, they told him that they would use topsoil. It was not. It looked so sandy and filled with rocks (about the size of softballs and baseballs) that it took a couple wheel barrels full to clear them out.
Don't know their name, but these are some things to look out for.

posted by hockeyfan on Jun 01, 2013 at 03:52:24 pm     #  

thanks, Hockeyfan, good advice.

I believe that city code requires the bottom and sides to be broken up to prevent water accumulation and an overall sinkage of the whole thing, too. Definitely want someone with a good reputation if we choose to fill it in.

posted by MaggieThurber on Jun 01, 2013 at 04:22:34 pm     #  

I happened to get my CCW with the guy who owns Inside Out in Toledo. After class he was discussing the same situation with the CCW teacher.

Didn't hear the crux of the conversation, but the guy was knowledgeable on the subject and the CCW guy thanked him for his input...

maybe he could help you too....

posted by billy on Jun 01, 2013 at 04:54:22 pm     #  

Pool technology books will tell you that there are two places where you do not want to build an in ground pool, in areas of high groundwater or expansive soils (clay). Most of the Point has both. Concrete or Gunite pools do not survive well in that area. Liner or Fiberglas have a better chance, but only if they are properly built. You are right that the bottom need to have holes punched in them and the sides folded in. A large commercial pool that I was involved in being demolished I specified that the first loads of fill had to be sand, because it will flow between and under the pieces of concrete to help prevent settling. After a year I had one small area that required dirt to fill.

posted by OldTimer on Jun 01, 2013 at 04:59:09 pm     #  

OldTimer - thanks for the info...but since this pool has been at this house since 1962 and the primary issue we're having is the concrete ledge beginning to crumble, the water and clay really don't seem to have had an impact. (Yes, the pool is older than me...lol)

Billy - do you have a name? Do you know if it was a staff member or owner?

posted by MaggieThurber on Jun 01, 2013 at 09:36:26 pm     #  

If you decide to close it, am I hearing the makings of a TT pool ending par-tay? lol

posted by hockeyfan on Jun 01, 2013 at 11:11:26 pm     #  

Hockeyfan - not sure anyone would want to actually be IN the water...you know how aquariums get that green scum that covers the glass when it hasn't been cleaned/properly maintained? Now imagine that green scum - only much thicker and you'll have the bottom and sides of our pool. It's so thick right now that it's peeling off in sheets. YUCK!

Fortunately, it's peeling off and dissolving with the chemicals hubby put it, but if we decide to fill it in, there'll be no chance of using it beforehand. :) But we can still have a party!

posted by MaggieThurber on Jun 02, 2013 at 08:20:02 am     #  

Turn it into a pond.

posted by SherryET on Jun 02, 2013 at 12:03:57 pm     #  

The water can't be any worse than what we used to swim in as kids in a local pond.

posted by hockeyfan on Jun 02, 2013 at 01:35:18 pm     #  

Turn it into a pond.

There's some merit to this. Deep ponds can retain live fish year round. When the top freezes they merely consign themselves to the bottom layer in a state of semi-hibernation. Ponds require maintenance, but much less or less tricky than pools require. Unless outright collapse is an issue, you won't have to worry about maintaining the sides and bottom.

And if the pool at present holds water, it obviously doesn't require a liner for its pond phase.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 02, 2013 at 07:22:16 pm     #  

I had a pool filled in by Ohio Pool Works in March 2007. They did a good job and I had no settling issues. My pool was not concrete (just a liner) but they did break and recylce up all the concrete surrounding the pool. I ran into this company at the annual Home and Garden show down a the Seagate Center - they were the only pool company I could find that was interested in taking one out. Friends suggested I call an excavating company to get the pool removed but I never did.

Here is Ohio Pool Works web site:
http://www.ohiopoolworks.com/

posted by surfer341 on Jun 06, 2013 at 08:37:34 am     #  

Hopefully I can get back in good graces after almost being banned earlier for being the devil's advocate asking questions about Whitmer and pat hickey.

My neighbor has a pool (concrete and inground) that has not been used as a pool in 10 years. In is filled with water to a 3'. Depth. There are (I kid you not) cat tails, Lilly pads, and frogs in the pool. I worry about mosquitos, etc,

Before I call the city, do I have any grounds to complain? Is it a code violation?

posted by Dappling2 on Nov 25, 2017 at 04:46:08 pm     #  

Sounds like a protected wetland. Likely some endangered native species living in it.

Why do you hate nature?

posted by slowsol on Nov 25, 2017 at 05:47:30 pm     #   6 people liked this

lo..slosol..you aren't far from the truth...i can actually hear wildlife, etc. emanating from the pool. The whole area is overgrown as the owner is unfortunately absentee.

posted by Dappling2 on Nov 25, 2017 at 07:39:45 pm     #  

The mosquitoes serve as a foods source for the frogs, bats, dragonflies, and similar mosquito munching critters. If you're really worried about the mosquitoes (and I haven't the faintest idea why this would keep you up nights, but what do I know? Maybe you're just neurotic.) carefully pour a mixture of oil, gasoline, and dish soap into the water. This stuff will float and is flammable. Wait until 3:00 AM, add the mixture to the pool, and touch it off. If you do this on the 4th of July, so much the better.

posted by madjack on Nov 27, 2017 at 03:38:52 pm     #  

madjack posted at 03:38:52 PM on Nov 27, 2017:

The mosquitoes serve as a foods source for the frogs, bats, dragonflies, and similar mosquito munching critters. If you're really worried about the mosquitoes (and I haven't the faintest idea why this would keep you up nights, but what do I know? Maybe you're just neurotic.) carefully pour a mixture of oil, gasoline, and dish soap into the water. This stuff will float and is flammable. Wait until 3:00 AM, add the mixture to the pool, and touch it off. If you do this on the 4th of July, so much the better.

Donít do this.

posted by ahmahler on Nov 27, 2017 at 08:49:46 pm     #  

Dappling2 posted at 04:46:08 PM on Nov 25, 2017:

Hopefully I can get back in good graces after almost being banned earlier for being the devil's advocate asking questions about Whitmer and pat hickey.

My neighbor has a pool (concrete and inground) that has not been used as a pool in 10 years. In is filled with water to a 3'. Depth. There are (I kid you not) cat tails, Lilly pads, and frogs in the pool. I worry about mosquitos, etc,

Before I call the city, do I have any grounds to complain? Is it a code violation?

I think the city of Toledo repairs all broken down pools, whether they are used or not. Money doesn't even need to be in the budget.

posted by justread on Nov 28, 2017 at 06:40:34 am     #   2 people liked this

Report the pool as "urban farming" and the absentee owner will be arrested before you even put the phone down.

posted by JoeyGee on Nov 28, 2017 at 07:38:41 am     #   2 people liked this

What is the oil/soap/gasoline ratio?

posted by JohnnyMac on Nov 28, 2017 at 09:24:54 am     #   1 person liked this

JohnnyMac posted at 09:24:54 AM on Nov 28, 2017:

What is the oil/soap/gasoline ratio?

About 4 quarts of good old black used motor oil, 1-2 quarts of gasoline, 1 large bottle of dish soap. Use the cheap stuff, as it's all going to burn up anyway. If you want to get extra creative, mix the concoction and pour it, then add a half-gallon or so of white gas (Coleman Camp Fuel these days, but in the bad old days it was called white gas). The white gas is much more flammable than regular gasoline, and will produce a pillar of flame up to 30 feet high. Be a bit careful with this one, as you'll think you're far enough away, but you're not. I remember this one time we went camping, and Shotgun Bob (my younger brother) used it to start the camp fire. Everyone in the camp ground thought it was the Second Coming.

posted by madjack on Nov 28, 2017 at 03:47:53 pm     #  

If it was at Pokagon in Indiana, I was there and it was the Second Coming.

posted by Molsonator on Nov 28, 2017 at 05:41:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

Back on the pool topic - I bought a house 2 years ago from the original owner. Gunite pool built in 1968, still in good shape but the plaster is starting to come off in places - possibly due to my inexperience with pool chemicals, combined with age. Having the pool replastered is an expensive process. My "pool guy" recommended going with an epoxy coating at a much lower price, although it won't last as long.

Does anyone have any experience with epoxy coatings? Longevity? Slipperiness?

posted by idinspired on Nov 29, 2017 at 10:13:57 am     #