I have a six month old and it never fails, as soon as i get her to sleep, some thug thinks it would be a great time to turn up the juice on his "system" that probably is worth more than the piece of crap he drives. What should i do? Slash tires? Run through the streets screaming? Anyone else have this problem?
What to do about house-thumping music
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Oh yeah....you can call the Toledo Police non-emergency number at 419-245-3340....tell them to send a squad to the persons house without putting it over the wire.....if they catch the guy...he should get cited...hopefully...this will make him stop.....if its a car....you're probably just out of luck.
Also, I've already ran through the streets, broke windows, slashed tires....it just makes you crazy. I wouldn't reccommend it.
Unfortunately, the police don't handle such cases with much enforcement or importance...and then the innocent person ends up losing their minds and doing something drastic....
....Hopefully, my house sells quick....because I'm at the point where I could seriously hurt this guy and actually enjoy it.....and people used to accurately say I was low key and easy going.....Your better off moving before you get to that point.....like I am.
...best of luck.
If anyone would like to get together as a group of citizens and go downtown and demand something be done about rap music terrorism...I'm in....hell....I'll even put it together
IANAL but doesn't Toled have a sound ordinance? Not sure what the rules are but where I'm from I thought anything past 9 or 10pm that was above 90db was illegal.
When I lived in Toledo and was disturbed by loud music I'd call the police. Eventually a squad car would arrive and the music would be shut off for an hour or so, then it would start back up again.
A man I know who lives in Toledo, we'll call him Joey, takes matters into his own hands. He tells the offender to shut the music off, and when they refuse Joey beats them up and smashes their stereo equipment. This kind of thing only happens when Joey is out of jail.
Madison, Wisconsin does not tolerate noise, and the police respond quickly to noise complaints. I guess that the theory is if noise is eliminated crime will fall. Seems to work so far.
What ever you do, never tell the police that you'll handle it yourself. Police don't like that, and we'll end up reading about you in the Toledo Blade. You might try talking to an attorney about legal options, and you definitely need to begin keeping a log of incidents and resolutions.
Or you could hire Joey.
I've had no problems with loud music by simply calling the police. Music stopped.
posted by jhostetler on Apr 27, 2008 at 11:47:48 am #
A few thoughts:
1. The police can only help if they are within earshot of the car to make an evaluation. They will not cite unless they hear the boom-car.
2. If the car owners are neighbors or reasonable people, they might be sympathetic if you talk to them calmly about your sleeping baby issues. Also, it helps to talk with the parents of the people in the cars if you know them.
3. As annoyed as I too have been with such noise, I would not advise direct confrontation or vigilantism with unknown people. Too many idiots carrying guns to risk injury or death over a car.
4. In a macro sense: we all have a duty to educate teens about being considerate. I am toughest on my own kids, and I chew them out if one of their friends rolls up in my driveway at 120 decibels. I also have been known to lean into their friends' cars, give a s**t-eating grin, and remind them of my expectations. I notice that it usually only takes one embarassing Dad-meets-1000-watt-amp-owner to get to where they start dialing down the volume when they approach my house.
5. Of course, if you are dealing with antisocial a-holes, friendly persuasive techniques might be wasted. You might have to invest in some inexpensive soundproofing for sleeping rooms.
posted by historymike on Apr 27, 2008 at 04:48:22 pm #
History Mike,
The sad thing is...its not just teen-agers. I seen/heard many a 30-something being a noise problem.Personally, I like this Joey guys method. Unfortunately, like any other bad behavior...if you tolerate it a little....they take a mile. Then, you have to have people like Joey REALLY solve the problem.
TAKE A CHILL PILL....then think up your strategy,strategy's and go get them,him, her, etc,cut the power to their home,sugar his gas tank, get one of those fake hand grenades and tape it to his front porch on one side,and run a string to the other side so it pulls the pin,
"OR" FILL IT WITH BLACK POWDER AND A PIMER CAP ON IT SO THEY GET A "REALLY BIG LOUD NOISE"!
OR FIND A PILE OF "BAT SHIT", "NAVEL JELLY" AND "VASOLINE" AND MIX IT ALL TO A HEAVY PASTE CONSISTENCY (ya hav plastic)AND YA CAN ADD A CUP OF AMONIA NITRATE FERTALIZER TO IT AND PUT IT BELOW THEIR WINDOW AFTER INSERTING A CHERY BOMB AND A LIT CIGERETTE TO THE FUSE, "A CAMEL CIGERETTE" WILL GIVE YOU APPROX 3 TO 5 MINS TO DISAPEAR,! a MARLBORO GIVES ABOUT 6-8 MINS BEFORE IT BURNS DOWN TO THE FUSE AND LIGHTS IT..THEN "RUN LIKE HELL"
OR IF YA WANT TO GET SERIOUS WIRE A LARGE PROPHANE LIGHTER REFILL BOTTLE TO THE UNDERSIDE OF HIS MANIFOLD,AND WHEN IT GETS REALLY HOT, "TRY TO BE AT LEAST 10 CAR LENGTHS BEHIND HIM ! ""
OF COURSE THIS IS ALL INTENDED FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE'S "only", AND NOT INTENDED TO ENCITE ANYONE OR SUGGEST ITS USE !
IF YOU'D LIKE EVEN MORE "EYE OPENING OR ATTENTION GETTING SUGGESTIONS"
Like a "EMF"generator gun or a sonic pulse gun that will boil a glass of water accross the room the educate yourself more at "WWW.THEINFORMATIONCENTER.COM
ENJOY AND PLAY NICE WITH THE OTHER KIDDYS YA-ALL
I TRIED FOR YEARS TO GET HELP FROM THE DAMED NOISE, THE FIGGIN,INCONSIDERATE,SON'S OF...... AND YOU'LL GET "NOTHING" FROM THE LOCAL COPS !"How many times have you seen a cop writing a ticket in the Toledo area,where they had to get their ass's out of their cars in the past two weeks?
"Oh yea" if ya really want to get their attention,fill a heavy duty leaf bag with a cutting torch and set it at 25,oxygen and 13 ascetaline,securly tie off bag,the fold the end over and tie again "so there's no leaks", take 3fire crackers and tape them to a marlboro lit ciggerette and tape them to a piece of thick card board with the fire crackers extending out past the edge of the card board so its next to the bag of ascet.. and oxygen, and tape the card board to the bad, put it on his porch and run like hell,,!
Just a suggestions of course saw this in ladys home journal magazine a few yrs back, or maybe "EASY RIDERS"!??...LATER.....
posted by blacjac687 on Apr 28, 2008 at 09:01:18 am #
HOW DO YA LIKE IT MADJACK AND KOOZ??
posted by blacjac687 on Apr 28, 2008 at 09:06:25 am #
I guess I will take a minute to appreciate how quiet my street is. The only “noise” we have are dogs barking and basketballs bouncing for the most part.
blacjac687:
I'm not a fan of endorsing ideas that would likely be found in the Anarchist's Cookbook for two reasons:
1. They are illegal, and could mean a fine or jail time for the person carrying them out; and
2. They are likely to escalate an annoying situation into one of violence.Now, I can't say that visions of vigilantism haven't crossed my mind over the years, but I am of the opinion that some of these house-thumping car owners already have an inferiority complex, and that direct conflict with them will lead to unpredictable consequences. Better to save your trump cards for bigger problems, like a thug breaking into your house or a mugger threatening violence.
Also, TPD does issue these tickets, and they sometimes announce an early summer crackdown. Maybe 2008 will be a year in which more attention gets paid to this problem, and a call to the mayor's office might put the bug in the ear of a certain micro-managing mayor.
:-}
posted by historymike on Apr 28, 2008 at 02:17:32 pm #
blacjac,
That's some crazy stuff. I don't think I would have the gonads to do all that to someone. I do know that the Toledo Police have done quite a bit to resolve my situation, but they have their hands tied behind their backs with that pesky thing we call the law.They have to hear the music when they pull up to car/house that is thumping to issue a ticket. In my case, the guy has been cited four times (all with court appearences and fines) and actually took his stereo from him (which I think is actually against the law)...but, the stupid judge gave it back to him. Even after all that...he still plays it loud everyday. So, the cops have made the effort...but, can only do so much I guess.
I think the real solution is the community coming together as a whole...with police...and confronting the problem people and making sure peace is enforced. If the community as a whole stands together....the one "bully" is less likely to keep being a problem. The hard part is getting people to take the time or effort to do so. Hence, we tolerate it...which encourages more of it....and then we are left to deal with it.
I think the problem at the heart of the matter is not loud music...but a society that has become narcissistic, disrepctful, and inconsiderate. Loud music is just one of the symptoms of this degenerative culture.
I hope Jenny gets her problem solved quickly....I feel your pain.
Very well said, Kooz. We all bear some responsibility for a culture that glorifies flashy displays of material wealth and which is focused on a cancerous individualism. This is a society that places an almost sociopathic obsession on self-gratification.
One of my kids was having a teenaged drama yesterday because, by 9:20 am, no one had told her "Happy Birthday."
"It's the WORST BIRTHDAY EVER!" she sobbed as she stomped up to her room.
Egads. After pointing out how ridiculous and unreasonable it was to expect everyone in the house to bow down before Her Royal Princess on Her Most Joyous Birthday, I gave her a lecture on her misplaced priorities.
Sure, everyone deserves a few congratulatory comments and presents and hugs and stuff on their birthdays, but I can think of only one birthday that really matters in the greater cosmos, and it ain't my kid's, and it ain't mine.
If you answer "your wife's birthday," you may be correct in this life, but I was waxing spiritual in the above comment.
posted by historymike on Apr 28, 2008 at 05:43:59 pm #
Personally, I like the one involving a trash bag full of oxy-acetylene (XXY). I can easily envision this one going off around four in the morning. The can of butane sounds like a lot of fun as well - you don't have to be around to watch; just knowing what's going to happen is enough.
For a more subtle approach, think about bumper stickers. A few co-workers decorated the rear bumper of one of their peers with bumper stickers from the local Rainbow office - I gather that they drew straws to see who would actually have to walk into the office and get the bumper stickers. Then there are custom stickers, such as "I heart to Kill Cops" and "Warning: Registered Pedophile".
I don't advocate any of this, but you have to admit that the thought is entertaining.
Seriously, writing to Carty and city council might produce good results, this kind of thing being right up Carty's alley.
The only serious problem I've ever had with a neighbor (in recent memory) involved an idiot with a big mouth (the neighbor, and stop laughing you guys) and an informal noise complaint on my part. The neighbor made threats about how he was going to get me, he'd do this and do that, so one day I called him out. Real schoolyard stuff. He wanted to fight, here I am. The short of it is that this man is a coward, all mouth and no balls.
Eventually we moved.Prior to that little problem, I was broke and lived in the ghetto off Floyd street (around 1980). The blacks in the apartment next door hated whitey, and one night I overheard them plotting to murder me. I moved out shortly thereafter. I'm not sorry if that story offends anyone, and in fact I wrote in the hope of getting under someone's tender hide.
Look at it this way: If you can't get good results from city council, you can always resort to a can of butane affixed to the manifold or muffler.
The oxy-accetalyne is ALWAYS a BAD idea. It only takes a static spark to set it off. A trash bag full would take off your leg if it exploded while carrying it. I think just calling the cops to your own house to come listen would be better. As much as people think of retalitory things to do to people that annoy us its hardly ever a good idea to carry them out. Things will only escalate and get more out of hand. It is fun and i think helps relieve the stress to think and come up with the idea but you shouldn't do them. On that note, mix gasoline, soap powder, and throw in several styrofoam cups into a small coffee can and pour on the sidewalk in front of his house. Makes sticky napalm kinda stuff. If he comes out to stomp it out it will stick to his shoes.
posted by Linecrosser on Apr 29, 2008 at 02:00:37 am #
I'm impressed to hear that anyone has actually gotten a decent response from the Toledo Police non-emergency number. The last time someone I know called them to report a break-in -- this was late last summer I believe -- they showed up THE NEXT DAY. About a year before that, I called to report some suspicious hoodlum activity and the response I got was a clear message that my call was not worth checking out, because, meh, no one had reported any crime in the area. Allrighty then.
I would take a batch of homemade cookies to the offender and ask them politely if they could please keep the volume down.
If that didn't work, the next batch of cookies would include chocolate laxatives.
LOL!
welcome to 2008..... YOu guys finally learnin that the cops arent there to help u.... but to arrest people and make money for the government..... Whose the gangsters now??? Gun yeilding, all blue wearing, and they need there homies if they wanna do anything......
Kinda makes you miss even bad rock music
posted by justareviewer on May 02, 2008 at 10:42:33 am #
I acutally tried some of these suggestions originally. We took cookies to the people and they looked at us like we were straight out of the 1950's or something. Also, the police seemed not to interested until I called and emailed Carty several times. He definitely put a fire under the cops arses and thats when we noticed some improvement.
Also yes, I do miss rock music.
"EVERYONE WHO IS FED UP WITH THE MORONS WITH AMPLIFIED "NOISE",
LETS HAVE A DAY OF PROTEST IN FRONT OF CITY HALL...."SERIOUSLY"
I COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS AND "NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN DONE" at one town meeting the Mayor agreed with me when I said
"the so called riots might not have taken place if the cops would get their ass's out of their air conditioned cars and enforce the damned "CITY CODE"on amplified sound,There by showing a "Police Presence" where now,there is none"!Its supposed to be a $110.00 fine if it can be heard 55 feet away,and the Chief of Police said "they'd given out over 800 tickets for it" $880,000, so "why the hell do they need Photo cops"..
Oh yea,I haven't seen any in the police logs,has anyone else??
IF YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY "BACK BONE" THEN "LETS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT" PICK A DAY AND DATE AND LETS PICKET IN FRONT OF CITY HALL OR IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS "TAKE YOUR LAWN CHAIRS AND SIGNS AND LETS GET THEM OFF THEIR ASS'S"
AND SHAME OUR LOCAL OFFICALS BY HAVING THE DETROIT AND CLEVELAND NEWS THERE TO SHOW WHAT A ASSENIGN JOB THEIR DOINGDO YOU PAY TAXE'S ? DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PEACE AND QUIET?,AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE CITY CODES?? So are ya going to just bitch about it, or are you all just talk??
I'M SURE AS HELL GAME TO BE THERE"!
ARE YOU?? ONE MORE THING "WE SHOULD DEMAND THE USE OF "DB" METERS FOR NOISE ENFORCEMENT AS SPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF MOTORCYCLES"!! as a matter of fact I believe there are already laws pertaining to loud motorcycle pipes "NOT FACTORY" MADE" OR ORIGINAL EQUIPTMENT !
posted by blacjac687 on Jul 22, 2008 at 11:34:13 pm #
Jenny,
Unfortunately, you are fighting a losing battle here in toledo.
I have a neighbor who blares rap music from his house...a half block down. It vibrates my windows, wakes up kids, etc. To make a very long story shorter. This problem has taken place the last two years nearly every day. The police have cited him four times and even taken away his stereo...but, the judge gave it back and now he plays it louder than ever. Just today, I called the police and told them I would just go deal with it myself....they said if I did they would come arrest me....now I'm the criminal I guess.
I have been "working" with Capt. Hennessy (Toledo Police)and the neighborhood squad. They advised me a year a go this would end...but it hasn't. I fear this is a battle all Toledoans cannot win...because as law abiding, considerate citizens...we are ignored and expected to put up with constant loud rap music.
I was just in Seattle last week and noticed in all the time I was there...not once...did I hear loud rap music coming from a car or home.
Toledo is no longer a nice town. It has been taken over by thugs, drugs and loud rap music. Gangsta's have consumed this city....and there's nothing we can do about it except try to keep moving away from them.
What I don't get.....is why are baggy pants and loud rap music still "in style?" This crap started when I was in high school in the late 80's early 90's....and for some reason this particular "fad", "trend" "Style" just doesn't seem to go away.
I hope your problem gets solved....you might as well forget slashing tires...I already threw a baseball through this guys window....and he just played it louder. Cops said his system speakers are like the one's a night club would have.
....makes you wish we lived in the Italian mobster days and could send Vinny over to send a message....
...the world was a better place when gangsters were Italian.
posted by Kooz on Apr 26, 2008 at 09:41:11 pm #