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TPS REPORT CARD

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=937522#.UhbILD8qFGk

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Reading F
Math: F
Graduate Rate 4 year: F
Graduation Rate 5 year: F

Yeah sure give them more money.

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Question: What happens to all those students who are failing reading and math?

posted by madjack on Aug 22, 2013 at 09:37:54 pm     #  

They are passed along until they can get on government assistance.

Seriously, it is criminal to send a child to TPS.

posted by Star56 on Aug 22, 2013 at 09:52:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

Come on guys that's really not fair! Donít you all remember the motto?

TPS PROUD!

posted by Danneskjold on Aug 23, 2013 at 12:48:46 am     #  

When TPS voted to do the performance audit, they asked people in the audience if they would then support the recommendations if they included a demonstrated need for more money. Being in the audience, I said I would - but only if they actually implemented the recommendations.

When the report came out, there was discussion of a committee to oversee/monitor the progress TPS was making - and include members of the community on the committee as well. The report also recommended quarterly open meetings to update the public on their progress implementing the recommendations.

I'm on the mailing list for meeting notices for TPS and have yet to be informed of a quarterly (or any other) meeting to review the progress to date.

The report was finalized in April.

Unless I see significant progress in implementing the cost-saving recommendations, I see no reason to support TPS's renewal (not a new tax) levy request.

posted by MaggieThurber on Aug 23, 2013 at 07:38:24 am     #  

Star56 posted at 10:52:51 PM on Aug 22, 2013:

They are passed along until they can get on government assistance.

Seriously, it is criminal to send a child to TPS.

See though - it's not fair to say it's criminal to send a kid to TPS like you're blaming the teachers. Sure, there are some crappy teachers but those are everywhere. I know a few people who worked (notice the past tense) for TPS and they said they had to give up. There was so little parent involvement and kids were fairly out of control. One of the women said she literally left nothing in her class at the end of the day if she wanted to ensure she would have it the next day for work.
If parents aren't involved in their child's education then you are fighting a losing battle. If a kid takes homework home and the parent doesn't ensure it's completed? Not the teachers fault! There is only so much a teacher can do.

posted by emdubs on Aug 23, 2013 at 07:59:31 am     #   1 person liked this

Well, as all the best experts on childhood education always say:

"Work to the rule."

posted by justread on Aug 23, 2013 at 08:41:37 am     #  

According to the report card, "graduation rates are calculated by taking the size of the freshman class 4 or 5 years ago, and then dividing it by the number of graduates last year."

Is population loss taken into consideration in that calculation?

posted by mom2 on Aug 23, 2013 at 08:53:50 am     #  

Did you get the memo? It's just, we're putting new coversheets on all the TPS reports before they go out now. So if you could go ahead and try to remember to do that from now on, that'd be great. All right!

posted by Johio83 on Aug 23, 2013 at 08:56:59 am     #   5 people liked this

Coffee out the nose Johio83

posted by Molsonator on Aug 23, 2013 at 09:14:58 am     #   1 person liked this

Madjack: You asked "What happens to all those students who are failing reading and math?"

Well those who fail yet are still ambitious apparently end up at UT. In my line of work, I interact/deal with some of the 'cream of the crop' out of the UT Business School, and frankly, it's shameful. And baffling.

posted by gamegrrl on Aug 23, 2013 at 09:15:27 am     #  

Superintendent Romules Durant will be on with me Monday morning at 7a. Also next week the Supers from Sylvania, and the Toledo Diocese. I'll also be talking with charter school advocates, tutoring specialists, and the United Way about their SEL program. It's all part of Freducation Week. Sorry for the blatant show promo, but education of the future work force is key to revitalizing this area.

posted by fred on Aug 23, 2013 at 09:34:34 am     #  

fred posted at 10:34:34 AM on Aug 23, 2013:

Superintendent Romules Durant will be on with me Monday morning at 7a. Also next week the Supers from Sylvania, and the Toledo Diocese. I'll also be talking with charter school advocates, tutoring specialists, and the United Way about their SEL program. It's all part of Freducation Week. Sorry for the blatant show promo, but education of the future work force is key to revitalizing this area.

Make sure you give some coverage to the job market in the Toledo metro area. Having a top notch education is a wonderful thing, but just where will the well-educated people go to find a job?

Are you going to cover the school voucher issue?

posted by madjack on Aug 23, 2013 at 09:47:51 am     #   1 person liked this

emdubs posted at 08:59:31 AM on Aug 23, 2013:
Star56 posted at 10:52:51 PM on Aug 22, 2013:

They are passed along until they can get on government assistance.

Seriously, it is criminal to send a child to TPS.

See though - it's not fair to say it's criminal to send a kid to TPS like you're blaming the teachers. Sure, there are some crappy teachers but those are everywhere. I know a few people who worked (notice the past tense) for TPS and they said they had to give up. There was so little parent involvement and kids were fairly out of control. One of the women said she literally left nothing in her class at the end of the day if she wanted to ensure she would have it the next day for work.
If parents aren't involved in their child's education then you are fighting a losing battle. If a kid takes homework home and the parent doesn't ensure it's completed? Not the teachers fault! There is only so much a teacher can do.

Right. It's everyone's fault except the teacher's. And if there are a few crappy teachers, so what? That happens everywhere, so that makes it perfectly acceptable.

The parenting is not going to improve. Just get over it. If the instructor assigns homework, count on the fact that the parents are not going to make sure the assignment is completed. Now what?

If the school teachers can't come up with a solution then it's way past time the school system hires some who can.

posted by madjack on Aug 23, 2013 at 09:54:16 am     #   1 person liked this

mom2 posted at 09:53:50 AM on Aug 23, 2013:

According to the report card, "graduation rates are calculated by taking the size of the freshman class 4 or 5 years ago, and then dividing it by the number of graduates last year."

Is population loss taken into consideration in that calculation?

Education data tends to be unnecessarily complicated, and sometimes I can oversimplify it in an attempt to make it readable for the general public.

Here's ODE's rules on graduation cohorts:

https://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topics/Data/Report-Card/2012-2013-Technical-Documentation-Graduation-Rate-Measure.pdf.aspx

Kind of hard to condense that into a sentence or two, but I could have been more clear than I was. Transfers out for the most part are excluded from the calculations.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Aug 23, 2013 at 09:56:16 am     #   1 person liked this

Thanks, Nolan.

That makes sense - I thought there must (or should) be some way to account for population loss and/or gains.

posted by mom2 on Aug 23, 2013 at 10:28:05 am     #   1 person liked this

gamegrrl I am not suprised by that at all.

Back in the early 2000's when I was student living at UT I would help some guys on my floor of the dorm to proofread there papers for their intro english class and it shocked me how bad they were. The majority came from public schools in Northern Ohio. Somehow these guys were let into UT and yet they seriously lacked fundamental writing skills after 12 years of schooling. I would have judged most were writing at around 6th/7th grade level.

No suprise most of them also struggled with the "Math for business majors classes" which are a joke of a college course anyways.

posted by glasscityguy on Aug 23, 2013 at 10:38:30 am     #  

Glasscityguy, I'm going to have to assume you purposely misused "there" in your post about proofreading. I hope?

posted by HickoryG on Aug 23, 2013 at 11:29:09 am     #   1 person liked this

glasscityguy posted at 11:38:30 AM on Aug 23, 2013:

gamegrrl I am not suprised by that at all.

Back in the early 2000's when I was student living at UT I would help some guys on my floor of the dorm to proofread there papers for their intro english class and it shocked me how bad they were. The majority came from public schools in Northern Ohio. Somehow these guys were let into UT and yet they seriously lacked fundamental writing skills after 12 years of schooling. I would have judged most were writing at around 6th/7th grade level.

No suprise most of them also struggled with the "Math for business majors classes" which are a joke of a college course anyways.

It's because college has become another hoop you have to jump through to get a good paying job. It's no longer about education or growing as a person. It stopped being about education a long time ago and more about career placement. The "everybody needs to goto college" movement killed education, some kids shouldn't be there as the only thing they will do with their "education" is bitch about the student loan cost. Most Liberal Arts majors should be in a trade school learning a useful skill, not trying to put their Advanced Human Studies Degree into practice at Taco Bell.

People don't for for the Plato anymore just the play-doh.

posted by dbw8906 on Aug 23, 2013 at 12:09:25 pm     #  

That is true it is just disappointing to see that this is the point our education system has come to.

What I was trying to point out though what seems worse to me though is how varied a high school diploma has become. These terrible graduation rates become only part of the picture of how far these public schools are lagging behind when some percentage of the "graduates"(which on the surface looks to be high) are not graduating with the skills the piece of paper says they should have.

Not sure if it will help, but I am happy to see that the state of Ohio will now require 4 credits of math, economics, and financial literacy credits starting in 2014.

http://education.ohio.gov/getattachment/Topics/Academic-Content-Standards/Graduation-Requirements/What-It-Takes-to-Earn-an-Ohio-Diploma-2014-and-beyond-010711.pdf.aspx

posted by glasscityguy on Aug 23, 2013 at 12:22:06 pm     #  

http://www.13abc.com/story/23232627/school-district-report-cards

Look, it NOT just a TPS issue, it is an URBAN SCHOOL DISTRICT PROBLEM...

AND I QUOTE: If the Toledo Public School district was given an overall grade, it would have received an "F", along with every other urban school district in the state. School leaders argue last year's indicators would have landed the district in "continuous improvement" this year, which is equivalent to a "C."

For government assisted families with school aged children, tie the amount of government assistance a family receives to the attendance record AND the grades the children EARN! I know "that's too hard"! I know, expecting anything in return for taxpayers assistance out of these families is down right slavery (with the exception of what slavery really is).

Kids are wake up every day and go to bed every night, that even though your not going to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous, living off the government and doing nothing for it, really isn't so bad.

TPS and every other urban school district would NOT be in the position if the populations they were serving would consist of CITIZENS as opposed to the civilian population they currenly serve. NO, I didn't get it wrong, there is a HUGE difference in mindset. For example the only course of action civilians think they can take is to no vote for school levies, anything else is too much damn work and ISN'T YOUR JOB. Enjoy the fruits of your labor folks.

On a side note, why in the hell don't you give the same treatment to the people and organisations in charge of business and economic development? Oh wait, you do! Let me rephrase the question, why don't you raise the same meaningless hell about the people and organisations in charge of business and economic development? I know, your waiting for a letter grade aren't you!

If the populations of these urban school districts REALLY gave a damn to fix this, they WILL DEMAND to tie the pay of ADMINISTRATORS to these report cards, and STOP VOTING IN THE SAME BOARD MEMBERS that obviously are clueless on how to fix the problem. You will NEVER get the change you seek until you replace the ENTIRE LEADERSHIP, oops, meant those in leadership positions!

I know, its a lot of work, so lets continue to do it the easy way, at least we know what to expect... a bunch of lip service from both sides of the argument, until the next levy where we will chat about the very same issues...

posted by GTVT on Aug 23, 2013 at 02:32:16 pm     #   1 person liked this

GTVT: We're on the same wavelength (and amplitude, even)

posted by paulhem on Aug 23, 2013 at 02:45:21 pm     #  

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Reading F
Math: F
Graduate Rate 4 year: F
Graduation Rate 5 year: F

Yeah sure give them more money."

You're LAUGHING about that? Seriously? A school system is failing its kids miserably - kids whose only chance to improving their lives is through a good education framework - and you think it's FUNNY? Jesus, Star56, you're being a fucking dick.

You can say what you'd like about unions, schools failing, politics, shitty school boards, whatever else, but to find it FUNNY? I can't think of anything even remotely amusing about this situation. That's... wow. Just, wow.

posted by endcycle on Aug 23, 2013 at 02:49:13 pm     #   3 people liked this

Thanks endcycle. My thoughts exactly. It's easy to laugh at the crappy school system from afar. However, I am scared shitless. I have a 7 year old starting 2nd grade next week and a 5 year old starting kindergarten after Labor Day. Both at Longfellow. Sorry, I'm not on welfare so I can't use that excuse to send my kids to a Catholic school. I work a full time job and a part time job plus I freelance on the side. My wife works as well. If we really could afford the $9,000 - $12,000 a year for both of them at Catholic school, then we would do it in a heartbeat. Just not feasible right now. I don't trust the charter schools system, TSA being the exception.

We have made sure we vetted the teachers our kids have gotten by asking others who they thought the best at Longfellow were. I make sure I sit with my daughter every night and watch and help her as she does her homework. I will do the same with my son. I take my kids to the library for books and make sure they read as much as possible. I talk to my kids, I put limits on what they can watch and who they can play with. It's getting harder with the way the neighborhood is going but we soldier on. I hope I am doing a good job. My kids are smart, funny, engaging and polite and mean everything to us. We do the best we can.

Go ahead. laugh.

posted by daddyg on Aug 23, 2013 at 03:09:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

From GlassCityGuy:

Back in the early 2000's when I was [a] student living at UT[,] I would help some guys on my floor of the dorm to proofread by proofreading there their papers [essays] for their intro introductory or introduction to english English class[,] and it shocked me how bad they were poorly written the essays were.

What, you were shocked by the bad boys behavior?

I'm not much of a grammarian, but this is my best effort given the time I'm willing to spend. For an in-depth critique of the technical aspects of your submission, summon HistoryMike and ask politely for his assistance.

posted by madjack on Aug 23, 2013 at 03:34:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

endcycle posted at 03:49:13 PM on Aug 23, 2013:

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Reading F
Math: F

Graduate Rate 4 year: F

Graduation Rate 5 year: F

Yeah sure give them more money."

You're LAUGHING about that? Seriously? A school system is failing its kids miserably - kids whose only chance to improving their lives is through a good education framework - and you think it's FUNNY? Jesus, Star56, you're being a fucking dick.

You can say what you'd like about unions, schools failing, politics, shitty school boards, whatever else, but to find it FUNNY? I can't think of anything even remotely amusing about this situation. That's... wow. Just, wow.

It's derisive laughter, EndCycle.

posted by madjack on Aug 23, 2013 at 03:35:36 pm     #  

From DaddyG: We have made sure we vetted the teachers our kids have gotten by asking others who they thought the best at Longfellow were. I make sure I sit with my daughter every night and watch and help her as she does her homework. I will do the same with my son. I take my kids to the library for books and make sure they read as much as possible. I talk to my kids, I put limits on what they can watch and who they can play with. It's getting harder with the way the neighborhood is going but we soldier on. I hope I am doing a good job. My kids are smart, funny, engaging and polite and mean everything to us. We do the best we can.

Would there were a few more like you and yours. Here's a tip of the old fedora and a hoist of the afternoon bourbon glass to you Sir. I salute you.

posted by madjack on Aug 23, 2013 at 03:37:02 pm     #   1 person liked this

endcycle posted at 03:49:13 PM on Aug 23, 2013:

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Reading F
Math: F

Graduate Rate 4 year: F

Graduation Rate 5 year: F

Yeah sure give them more money."

You're LAUGHING about that? Seriously? A school system is failing its kids miserably - kids whose only chance to improving their lives is through a good education framework - and you think it's FUNNY? Jesus, Star56, you're being a fucking dick.

You can say what you'd like about unions, schools failing, politics, shitty school boards, whatever else, but to find it FUNNY? I can't think of anything even remotely amusing about this situation. That's... wow. Just, wow.

I think the funny part is TPS asking for more of our money. The rest is tragic.

posted by bucknut on Aug 23, 2013 at 03:37:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

Daddyg,

After posting my rant above, I read your post and wanted to offer you a "Bro Hug" (pat pat)

I being someone that wants to create short films, maybe we should collaborate on a short film on the parenting style of a successful student household. Society has blurred the lines between right and wrong for so long, that I truly believe some people really DON'T KNOW what parenting means. Parenting beyond sex is the schools responsibility for most!

I also believe that parents like you should have your own schools, which are taught by teachers. For the other parents, they should have their own schools where students are taught by activist judges and activist lawyers. Then they can be sued when a child fails throughout its scholastic carriers for child abuse!

I agree, everyone has rights, but why do we all have to become equal at the lowest possible denominator.

posted by GTVT on Aug 23, 2013 at 04:04:07 pm     #  

Daddyg, my son played on a baseball team this summer with a few boys who attend Longfellow. Those boys were great kids from great families. Nice, polite, well-behaved boys with parents who are involved and intelligent.

Just thought it might make you feel better to know that there are at least a few other families at the school who seem to have a similar philosophy to you. :)

posted by mom2 on Aug 23, 2013 at 04:30:27 pm     #   1 person liked this

Thanks mom. I know there are good parents and good kids out there. Just seem to be further and far between than ever. I believe a child at that age is only as good as their parent. In talking to my daughter's teacher last year during her parent/teacher conference and I was taken aback at the number of parents that DON'T show up for something regarding their kids.

My dilemma is the levy. On the one hand, I would like to vote yes for it because, obviously, I have a direct interest in it passing. I would hope that it would mean better test scores and a better education for my kids. On the other hand, I am afraid that a successful passage would just mean throwing my tax money down a crap hole.

posted by daddyg on Aug 23, 2013 at 05:05:20 pm     #  

How much of this is the kids, and uninvolved parents...verses the teachers? Have any of you actually stopped to look at or talk to the kids in these schools?

This failure isn't about money, this is about our society.

posted by OhioKimono on Aug 23, 2013 at 05:30:28 pm     #   5 people liked this

@daddyg, we found ourselves in the same position 7 years ago when we decided to pull our 2 kids out of TPS and put them into private school. We're not a voucher family either. Just to clarify, Catholic school for 2 elem. kids will cost you around $5,000 at most. My 4 were costing me $15,000 at a non-Catholic private school (2 in high school) and that has made life very tough. But TPS high school is out of the question for them.

posted by gotoledogo on Aug 24, 2013 at 01:49:30 pm     #  

Reading this thread, combined with co-worker discussions about the cost of Catholic/private schools, I have to ask: Where on Earth do parents find the money to do this? I see that gotoledogo says $15K/year in the post above mine. Dayum.

Do parents just keep racking up debt, or am I more severely underpaid than even I suspected? There's no way I could pay that price for tuition out of my paycheck.

posted by gamegrrl on Aug 24, 2013 at 03:33:04 pm     #  

Just to clarify, Catholic school for 2 elem. kids will cost you around $5,000 at most.

Yeah, my kids school is one of the more expensive Catholic elementary schools in the area. It's about $7,000 for 2 kids.

gamegrrl - the high school tuition is brutal. Most of the Catholic high schools currently run about $10K-$13K per student. I cringe at the thought of what it might be by the time my kids are freshmen.

posted by mom2 on Aug 24, 2013 at 07:33:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

I graduated from TPS in 2005, went to college, earned a bachelors, masters, and have a great job, where I have been promoted several times. For 26, I make nearly 60,000 per year. Most of my friends, who also graduated from TPS, are also doing well in their careers and have families, and good citizens.... Why continue to bash TPS? Does it get anyone anywhere? Instead, why not get involved? Volunteer (Even if you don't have kids) and make the difference? TPS is not the problem folks, it's people like you who post things on here that are negative and bashing that do not solve the problem, but make it worse and just act immature about their "grade card" .... typical Toledo (Suburb) mentality that everything within "Toledo/TPS" is bad .... I bet Maumee and P-burg have just as many problems if not more severe.... get involved instead of bitching folks!

posted by jim30529 on Aug 24, 2013 at 07:46:17 pm     #  

We sent 2 kids to Catholic schools, K-12. We also have not had a "real" vacation in at least 15 years. It was truly a belt buckling time for us. At the time our sons were beginning high school, the school we chose froze the tuition. Their freshman rate was the same as their senior rate. Add a scholarship or 2 for academics and somehow we made it. No debt.
One graduated in 2011, the other in 2012. Now, we're sitting back and waiting for them to take care of us! lol.....

posted by karen on Aug 24, 2013 at 07:54:22 pm     #   1 person liked this

OhioKimono posted at 06:30:28 PM on Aug 23, 2013:

How much of this is the kids, and uninvolved parents...verses the teachers? Have any of you actually stopped to look at or talk to the kids in these schools?

This failure isn't about money, this is about our society.

If the failing students are given diploma's then yes, we can blame them. Judging from the multiple comments on the students from TPS at UT then we are seeing that this is occurring and blame can be laid at the teachers feet.

posted by MikeyA on Aug 25, 2013 at 08:43:54 am     #  

bucknut posted at 04:37:06 PM on Aug 23, 2013:
endcycle posted at 03:49:13 PM on Aug 23, 2013:

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Reading F
Math: F


Graduate Rate 4 year: F


Graduation Rate 5 year: F

Yeah sure give them more money."

You're LAUGHING about that? Seriously? A school system is failing its kids miserably - kids whose only chance to improving their lives is through a good education framework - and you think it's FUNNY? Jesus, Star56, you're being a fucking dick.

You can say what you'd like about unions, schools failing, politics, shitty school boards, whatever else, but to find it FUNNY? I can't think of anything even remotely amusing about this situation. That's... wow. Just, wow.

I think the funny part is TPS asking for more of our money. The rest is tragic.

Oh make no mistake I am laughing. And it's hilarious.

Why am I laughing? Because Toledo will probably approve the ballot measure and throw more money into the hole of stupidity.

Until school money is tied to measured progress they will continue to fail. It's called standardization and every other industry uses it. Money solves nothing in it of itself.

posted by MikeyA on Aug 25, 2013 at 08:45:45 am     #  

DaddyG says: I make sure I sit with my daughter every night and watch and help her as she does her homework. I will do the same with my son. I take my kids to the library for books and make sure they read as much as possible. I talk to my kids, I put limits on what they can watch and who they can play with. It's getting harder with the way the neighborhood is going but we soldier on.

In other words, you are parenting -- a task which many parents shirk, or worse yet, have never been shown.

I will admit, TPS has a lot of problems. My husband is a sub in the system and often is frustrated by the administration. But the best teacher in the world cannot overcome bad parenting: parents who won't put their kids to bed at a decent hour, who won't send their kids to school so they can stay home and watch the younger sibs, who won't show up for conferences or give a shit about who their kids associate with.

Keep up the good work, DaddyG.

posted by Anniecski on Aug 25, 2013 at 10:21:39 am     #  

From Anniecski: the best teacher in the world cannot overcome bad parenting:...

Not so. There are any number of cases where an excellent instructor has overcome poor performing, non-existent or abusive parents. Of course, if the instructor isn't up to the task, well then it isn't their fault.

But if the school system just had more money, this 'poor parenting' business would just magically fix itself. Money, that's the ticket.

Taxpayer money.

posted by madjack on Aug 25, 2013 at 02:20:16 pm     #  

I think TPS needs two things. More money, and different democrats to run things.

posted by Wulf on Aug 25, 2013 at 04:12:59 pm     #  

I will admit, TPS has a lot of problems. My husband is a sub in the system and often is frustrated by the administration.

Oh boy, annie, I think I'm starting to understand the administration thing.

Before I mention this, I should point out that I am not in the habit of bashing TPS just for the sake of bashing - my TT history is out there for all to see. And I can't vote for or against the levies, as I don't live in the district.

I have a friend who is going to be teaching in TPS this year. We'll call him (or her) Pat. Deliberately being vague on demographic info, so I don't out my friend to anyone who might be reading.

School starts on Tuesday, and Pat still doesn't know what building or grade level he will be teaching. Might not even know for sure what class he'll be teaching until after school starts. They'll just start class with a substitute.

Those of you who work in education - if I'm missing some reasonable reason why that might be happening, please let me know. I completely admit that I don't know what goes into assigning teachers to classrooms in a school district.

All I know is this - it doesn't seem like this is being handled in anyone's best interests.

The teacher can only do so much preparation, without knowing what grade level and building he'll be teaching in. The students and parents will have to start the year with a substitute until they can be assigned a teacher from the available pool.

I just don't understand why there are teachers hired and there are slots to fill, but it might not all be done by the first day of school.

posted by mom2 on Aug 25, 2013 at 09:47:57 pm     #  

"Not a new tax" but voting against the TPS levy regardless in November.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 25, 2013 at 09:50:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

What Dr. Durant had to say this morning http://www.wspd.com/media/podcast-fred-lefebvre-podcasts-Fred/826-tps-superintendent-dr-romules-durant-23630260/

posted by fred on Aug 26, 2013 at 08:02:33 am     #