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Positive Toledo Videos Online, Anyone?

With recent attention given to one person who's dominating the web search rankings with negative spots about Toledo (as mentioned in the Blade 11/24/2013), does anyone know of some upbeat youtube or other videos about living in our town, the Lake Erie region, etc.? I'd like to be able to see some other viewpoints.

To put things in perspective, before I chose to move here a few years ago, I monitored a few Toledo web sites (including the zoo's Hippo Cam) and I was very impressed by printed materials made available by the art museum and the library system. I also subscribed to the Blade for a few months to get a better idea of the goings-on about town.

Thanks.

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I dunno... After doing a search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=toledo+ohio, I get positive information, I think. Now for videos...

BTW, I use DuckDuckGo.com because my personal stuff isn't in their search algorithm - I don't know what is in their algorithm, but at least it isn't my preferences, like with Google.

At https://vimeo.com/search?q=toledo+ohio I found some positive (I think...) videos. Including, upso's -- pretty cool!

BTW, Vimeo allows a person to record for a much longer length than YouTube, jus in case you need more room.

I did a search using "Toledo tough" on YouTube... Would this help? Yes. I am a Rocket alumnus. :)

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 11:36:07 am     #  

You have to sift through all the weddings and religion related stuff on Vimeo. But they are there. I have never heard of this site. Thanks for posting it.

posted by Wydowmaker on Nov 24, 2013 at 11:54:04 am     #  

I wrote a long comment on the Blade article buy it blipped and I lost it. Although very sad, this guy is speaking and recording the truth and I believe is trying to send a message that we're not getting the job done of improving the living conditions in Toledo. All important to get a new Cosco built but not important to get the Sea Gate area up and running... If anyone is familiar with the Detroit and Central neighborhood from the 50's and 60's, you should take a look at what is there now. Unbelievable... I wish I had the answers.

posted by rch101 on Nov 24, 2013 at 12:02:12 pm     #  

"This guy is speaking and recording the truth..." Many Toledoans agree.

That is a good reason to interview EconCat88 and get his story out.

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 12:16:41 pm     #  

I agree with you Paul. But I don't think he'll get a fair trial. He'll have a price on his head from some...

posted by rch101 on Nov 24, 2013 at 12:25:58 pm     #  

rch101

I spent a good chunk of my life in the Detroit and Central neighborhood. I went to Glenwood elementary and lived on Ambia street. This was from 1964-1970. I can't recognize the area anymore. I was back in Toledo last year and drove through my old neighborhood and there is nothing left standing. Our old house is still there but most of the rest is empty lots. I was born in what is now called "Polish Village". That area is headed the same way. I stopped into the funeral home on Lagrange to do some research on the history of one of my family members. I had to ring the bell for several minutes to get in. The gentleman who met me apologized for the locked door at midday but told me the neighborhood was now too dangerous to leave the doors unlocked for customers. I used to run those streets after dark as a child without a care in the world. In spite of all of this I still love my home town and would like to move back someday. My wife says no way in hell. She is seven years younger than I and also a Toledo native. She has no desire to even visit Toledo and will only return when family emergencies demand it. I still think Toledo has a lot of good things to offer. But someone first has to clean out the trash.

posted by Wydowmaker on Nov 24, 2013 at 12:56:34 pm     #  

The issue with this guy like any so called web commentator is it's easy to point out negatives, but they never offer a solution or a plan.........just another bitter looser that think's he is owed or entitled to something.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Nov 24, 2013 at 01:04:32 pm     #   6 people liked this

"BTW, Vimeo allows a person to record for a much longer length than YouTube, jus in case you need more room." Paul... I don't think there is a length limit anymore on youtube.

posted by upso on Nov 24, 2013 at 02:19:54 pm     #  

Widowmaker, we're both on the same page here. I was there a couple years ago and sat at the Koonze Drugstore site and took pics to the NW. and then went to the old Blade Station and did the same to the NE. Couldn't believe what I saw. I stopped and talked to a mailman on Maplewood and he was raised on Albion. He says it's not as bad on Detroit/Central and it is in the surrounding areas like the bar at Albion and Central. As far as the comment of negatives... In 1994/95 Toledo demo'd most of the houses on the 3100 block of Glenwood and built new houses. Their all pretty much trashed now I hear. They were beat up some when I was there as stated above. I'm ready to hear positive aspects of safety and livability in Toledo. I believe we all want that. Even EconCat.

posted by rch101 on Nov 24, 2013 at 02:53:51 pm     #  

"That is a good reason to interview EconCat88 and get his story out."

EconCat88 is getting his "story" out. It's called the Internet. What else is needed? Since when is the official "story" only told by the so-called professional media?

Even today, old media orgs still dislike the fact that they are no longer gatekeepers of the information that gets disseminated to the public.

Fortunately for everyone else, the Internet makes it easy to tell a story. And everyone may have a different version of the story. So what? It's up the consumer to filter through it all. You can also ignore it.

From the Blade's story :

Anonymous critic hides in shadows of Internet

Shadows? Pretty dramatic.

Is that similar to the critics who hide in the shadows of newspaper editorials?

It must be a slow news period because it seems odd that this is worthy of a front page posting on the Sunday edition of the Blade's website.

From the Blade story:

It’s unknown what impact videos such as EconCat88’s will have on the city’s economic development efforts, ...

Oh, come on. It's beyond stupid that anyone would be worried about someone's art on YouTube.

The impact is none. People with the money to build or invest will not base their decision solely on a YouTube video search whether the videos are negative or positive.

Forget what EconCat88 has done. This becoming a local media story is what makes Toledo looks silly.

Blade:

There’s not much Toledo officials can do about EconCat88’s videos. It’s free speech, and he has the right to post videos, no matter how biased.

Why was that mentioned? Have Toledo officials been secretly hatching a plan to take down EconCat88? Why would Toledo officials waste their time thinking about YouTube videos?

The low temperature this morning at Toledo Express Airport was 12 degrees. 12. The normal low temp for this day is 30 degrees. The frigging weather is a bigger negative than frigging YouTube videos. Complaining about both is senseless.

posted by jr on Nov 24, 2013 at 03:00:47 pm     #   8 people liked this

In_vin_veritas posted at 01:04:32 PM on Nov 24, 2013:

The issue with this guy like any so called web commentator is it's easy to point out negatives, but they never offer a solution or a plan.........just another bitter looser that think's he is owed or entitled to something.

Have you watched and listened to his videos? If so, where in those videos gives you any belief that you think he's owed or entitled to something? Additionally, if you have watched and listened to his videos, you'll know that he does offer sound advice.

posted by odnation on Nov 24, 2013 at 03:10:36 pm     #  

I believe I spoke too soon about Glenwood. I Google Earthed the street and it still looks pretty good. The area around Lawrence from Detroit to Central is pretty much gone...

posted by rch101 on Nov 24, 2013 at 03:12:23 pm     #  

jr: The Blade IS part of the Internet. With more than a million unique views per month, I think that his story would be more likely to be found and discussed.

Hey man, the rest... When someone asks me why another person is asking questions or why the person uses one word or another, I tend to let the requestor know that I have no way of reading minds. News is news is news... I have been told that the EconCat88 story is driving toledoblade.com right now. For a news outlet that isn't exactly bad news for The Blade.

Also, the is no mathematic formula (or theorem, even) for determining what is news, and what isn't newsworthy. Therefore, it is much more subjective than science. At least, to us science and math folks it's subjective.

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 03:45:31 pm     #  

"I think that his story would be more likely to be found and discussed."

I don't understand. The Blade wants to promote someone who trashes Toledo, but today's Blade story wonders if EconCat88's videos will hurt Toledo.

"I have been told that the EconCat88 story is driving toledoblade.com right now. For a news outlet that isn't exactly bad news for The Blade."

So the conspiracy theory is EconCat88 is a Blade employee??

In my professional amateur opinion, if a story about YouTube videos is good for business, then your business may have other issues.

posted by jr on Nov 24, 2013 at 04:07:50 pm     #   8 people liked this

"So the conspiracy theory is EconCat88 is a Blade employee??" As you mentioned in the very next paragraph, I was referring to clicks on the Web site. So, where could you possibly get that?

jr: And that is why everyone is different. The good news is: No one HAS to read or watch the news.

"In my professional amateur opinion, if a story about YouTube videos is good for business, then your business may have other issues."

Ah yes, that is the same criticism that local newspapers receive everywhere and in every time throughout history - And again, "newsworthy" is not something that can be accurately calculated or otherwise determined scientifically.

So, you are welcome to your opinion, whether it is amateur or professional.

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 04:26:20 pm     #  

BREAKING NEWS HEADLINE - ECONCAT88 SAVES BUG....

posted by justareviewer on Nov 24, 2013 at 04:33:11 pm     #   1 person liked this

justareviewer: Great post! I like praying mantises. Flies and mosquitoes, not so much.

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 05:08:09 pm     #  

"So, you are welcome to your opinion, whether it is amateur or professional."

From the Blade story:

"... he has the right to post videos, no matter how biased."

Whew. That was close. I'm glad the Blade staff has granted the rest of us permission to express our own opinions. At least for this evening. But who knows what tomorrow holds in the shadows of the intertubes.

posted by jr on Nov 24, 2013 at 05:50:01 pm     #   6 people liked this

jr: Hmmm... Gee, interesting how we see things differently... I though "legally" was understood. As in "legally, he has the right to post videos..."

Really. If you are afraid of your peers and friends knowing what you have to say, then there really is nothing I can do for you other than give you my sincere pity.

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 05:58:04 pm     #  

The ass doesn't get it, and is now being insulting.

posted by justread on Nov 24, 2013 at 06:02:19 pm     #   2 people liked this

justread: I see where you go when you have nothing intelligent to offer - name calling. Let me make this clear.

"If you are afraid of your peers and friends knowing what you have to say, then there really is nothing I can do for you other than give you my sincere pity."

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 06:06:23 pm     #  

"...there really is nothing I can do for you other than give you my sincere pity."

You're right. We do see things differently because I don't know what in the hell you are talking about now.

Pity for me? You're definitely wasting your time, pal.

I'm not part of cabal trying to out an obvious YouTube sensation. Something else is more deserving of pity.

From what I can tell, the highest view count on one of EconCat88's Toledo-related YouTube videos is 31,588 views on the video that appears as the 5th result in the YouTube search on 'Toledo Ohio.' That video was posted on February 2012.

Scroll down a bit on that same search result page, and the 14th video has 184,748 views. That's nearly six times the number of views as EconCat88's award-winning video. The 14th video is titled Abandoned Mall Exploration. It was published in April 2012. About the video:

Went inside North town mall of Toledo, Ohio while on spring break. Pretty cool place to explore, but I did try to go and get extra footage the next day and my entrance to the place was re sealed.

I hope that video does not negatively impact Toledo's economic development plans.

More people are interested in the insides of an old abandoned mall than what someone has to say negatively about Toledo, Ohio.

I predict the Blade's eventual word count on the EconCat88 story will exceed the total number of views received on all of EconCat88's Toledo-related videos combined.

posted by jr on Nov 24, 2013 at 06:50:04 pm     #   2 people liked this

Merriam-Webster

Cabal

1: the artifices and intrigues of a group of persons secretly united in a plot (as to overturn a government); also : a group engaged in such artifices and intrigues...

And you worry about The Blade's accuracy or agenda? C'mon!

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 07:29:46 pm     #  

Since you don't like name calling, or anonymity, let me just call you Paul Hem. Accomplishes the same thing as "ass."

posted by justread on Nov 24, 2013 at 07:54:34 pm     #   2 people liked this

Here's a few great Toledo videos...

http://vimeo.com/76263276

Ton more here: http://www.toledo.com/home-features/videos/

These are great too: http://www2.communica-usa.com/102204/1514110/motion-gallery/university-of-toledo-2013-football

posted by toledolen_ on Nov 24, 2013 at 08:00:25 pm     #  

posted by toledolen_ on Nov 24, 2013 at 08:03:29 pm     #  

It's funny that the second video that comes up when doing the Toledo,ohio youtube search is a Blade video on gangs that got more than 30,000 hits. Seems like that could have been relevant to the story. Do a youtube search for Toledo blade and the first 8 videos are all about gang life in the city. Seems as though the paper wouldn't mind trashing the city on it's page in the guise of news but takes umbrage when someone else does it.

posted by fred on Nov 24, 2013 at 08:18:19 pm     #   2 people liked this

Econcat88 is a TT member. Maybe we can hear from the man himself.

posted by Ace_Face on Nov 24, 2013 at 08:19:20 pm     #  

Hey fred:

It was in the story.

"Negative perceptions of a city in media aren’t new, or limited to the entrance-barrier-breaking world of social media. For instance, EconCat88 has the first search result on YouTube, but the second is a Blade-produced video called “Battle Lines: Gangs of Toledo Defining Boundaries,” a short documentary that was part of an investigative series into the city’s gangs."

And, the story does contain mention of Mayor Bell's criticism of the The Blade.

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/11/24/EconCat88-Trashing-Toledo-one-negative-video-at-a-time.html#AASvsCg4kA5EL5Jm.99

posted by paulhem on Nov 24, 2013 at 08:23:30 pm     #  

"And you worry about The Blade's accuracy or agenda? C'mon!"

Which one does the Blade possess that I have to worry about: accuracy or an agenda?

Lighten up, Francis.


I'm more worried about the Lions two-game losing streak, and the Browns sinking into the abyss.

a·byss [uh-bis]
noun
1. a deep, immeasurable space, gulf, or cavity; vast chasm.
2. anything profound, unfathomable, or infinite: the abyss of time.
3. a.the primal chaos before Creation.
b.the infernal regions; hell.
c. a subterranean ocean.


If you're hurting for positive videos, then watch the ones at Smash Toledo. Anymore for me, it's all about the food and drink. The city or area better have great food artists first, and then maybe I'll visit the damn museums and parks.

posted by jr on Nov 24, 2013 at 08:54:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

Totally missed that one paul, i'll correct it on page 5 of TT with a small mention. Good catch.

posted by fred on Nov 24, 2013 at 09:09:31 pm     #   2 people liked this

Instead of people complaining that EconCat88 creating negative publicity for Toledo, perhaps the naysayers-about-naysaying should channel their efforts into producing the types of videos they want to see published.

Also, I am sure that EconCat88 has figured out a few SEO tricks along the way to get his rankings up. When I spent time focusing on such things, I used to generate up to 50,000 hits a month with my now-nearly-defunct blog. Strategic placement of a few hyperlinked keywords and some strategic backlinks do wonders for getting search engines to send the world your way.

posted by historymike on Nov 24, 2013 at 09:10:25 pm     #  

Great Toledo videos? Let's not forget the heckler yelling during the Konop video taping. Hilarious.

posted by hockeyfan on Nov 24, 2013 at 09:34:05 pm     #   1 person liked this

Paul Hem, surely you can see the irony of this entire thing. This guy has been making these videos for a few years now with relatively low views considering. The Blade runs a FRONT PAGE story on the Sunday paper, arguably the most widely read edition of the week, making its readers now aware of a some jackass they normally wouldn't have ever heard of. Thus bringing this guy more views telling everyone how shitty Toledo is. You've just done more for Econcat88 than he ever could on his own.

Unless Eco88 is JRB, then this would make total sense.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Nov 24, 2013 at 10:16:13 pm     #   3 people liked this

Jr do you recommend I agree to be interviewed by rosenkrans or should I Ignore their requests. Obviously some people are upset about some of the negative truths being told about toledo.

posted by EconCat88 on Nov 24, 2013 at 10:55:03 pm     #   2 people liked this

Veritas ive been around the world. How exactly does that make me a loser and if wanting elected officials to allow the markets to properly operate equals me and other toledoand being entitled to something than you're the fool here.

posted by EconCat88 on Nov 24, 2013 at 11:00:30 pm     #  

EconCat88: Why not go for it? You have everyone' s attention. There are some important things to discuss here and worldwide. It is time to seize the initiative.

Like:

Emerging markets like the Philippines are in one huge bubble. The monetary policies of the U.S. and China are blamed for it. Could a crash there be the beginning if a worldwide economic catastrophe?

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 07:02:50 am     #  

EconCat88 posted at 10:55:03 PM on Nov 24, 2013:

Jr do you recommend I agree to be interviewed by rosenkrans or should I Ignore their requests. Obviously some people are upset about some of the negative truths being told about toledo.

I wouldn't. You don't owe The Blade a fucking thing.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Nov 25, 2013 at 08:23:46 am     #   6 people liked this

Econ, I watched one of your videos where you said something about being in Kentucky and staying there because Ohio is so crappy. But a month ago, you were posting here at TT that you worked in downtown Toledo. What's the story?

posted by Ace_Face on Nov 25, 2013 at 08:26:31 am     #  

hunkytownsausage:

No, EconCat88 doesn't owe The Blade. However, he has something to say. We call it crowd sourcing.

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 08:35:30 am     #  

EconCat88 posted at 10:55:03 PM on Nov 24, 2013:

Jr do you recommend I agree to be interviewed by rosenkrans or should I Ignore their requests. Obviously some people are upset about some of the negative truths being told about toledo.

I'm curious as to why you are asking me, but I would say, "No."

Don't give them what they want. Or wait until after the holidays. Drag it out until January or February.

Keep producing your art. Obviously, some will dislike it, but that's expected.

You never want to be liked by everyone. Otherwise, you become unimaginative.

Another idea ...

Since your means of communication is the Internet, which is all that counts, conduct your interview over the Internet right here in this thread or in the comments section on one of your YouTube videos.

People can submit their hard-hitting questions here or on YouTube. You can answer here or put your answers in a video.

If you agree to a Blade interview, videotape it and upload the unedited video to your YouTube account. I'm sure that won't be a problem for anyone.

But if you are taking questions over the Internet, I'll ask one.

If you had to select one, which one would you pick?

A. Chocolate Milk
B. Regular Milk

posted by jr on Nov 25, 2013 at 08:49:27 am     #   8 people liked this

jr: EconCat88 has been using "The Internet," all along and he has responded there. What good does it do to do more of the same?

The Internet is no longer the sole domain of a few people who have a blog. With comments on almost news sites now, everyone is blogging.

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 09:00:37 am     #  

Should be: "Almost all news sites..."

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 09:01:44 am     #  

The Blade is already stalking Econ via Aries. Whatever this was, it just got creepy.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Nov 25, 2013 at 09:15:50 am     #   6 people liked this

I agree. The Blade seems intent on "outing" Econ, to what end I can only guess. That rag has destroyed many public figures in Toledo, and I suspect that they may have Econ in their sights, too. The Blade's investigation of who Econ is has become VERY creepy... and scary.

posted by pete on Nov 25, 2013 at 09:29:24 am     #   5 people liked this

Wydomaker, interesting coincidence. My mother lived on Ambia street back in the 1930's. Her oldest brother was manager of Glenwood lanes for a time.

Now she's 87, and has a bit of dementia that sometimes muddles her mind. She'll forget the house where she spent 60+ years living, but remember the house on Ambia. I explain that she's confused, and tell her, "you wouldn't want to live there now".
I think there's nearly as many boarded up houses as ones being lived in.

posted by JeepMaker on Nov 25, 2013 at 09:35:23 am     #  

Econ has wisely figured out a way to take his videos off the top list on youtube. so now when you search toledo,ohio on youtube the first video you see is the Blade story on gangs in Toledo. Of course it's a documentary and part of an investigative series so it can't be considered negative. Here's a positive one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfc1GMK1i6E&list=UUGKoXmNnSBWmuhC_sd0oTVw

posted by fred on Nov 25, 2013 at 09:43:32 am     #  

the blade headline was over the top and they are making way more out of this than it actually merits... there is no there there... just one guy with a point of view.

for the blade to assert it has a detrimental affect on the city and ignore the negative effects john block has on local politics by chosing winner and losers ... evicerating those they dont like... and preventing the best people from even considering office... well, it is at least hypocritical and closer frankly to immoral.

in frank and honest moments blade employees will confirm how bad block is and the dread they feel when the bat phone rings and they have to do his bidding. want to do well for the city, mercilessly pursue all of the double dippers who bancrupted the city and then moved on to the county government so they wouldnt have to face the negative consequinces. this story is a paper tiger

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Nov 25, 2013 at 09:47:03 am     #   1 person liked this

If you are afraid of your peers and friends knowing what you have to say

My friends and peers already know what I have to say. It's the creepy henchmen at The Blade that people are afraid of.

posted by justread on Nov 25, 2013 at 10:30:00 am     #   1 person liked this

That rag has destroyed many public figures in Toledo, and I suspect that they may have Econ in their sights, too

They'll be back on Dock Treece soon enough.

posted by justread on Nov 25, 2013 at 10:30:44 am     #  

Sweet frigging fancy Moses. The Blade actually did publish another story in today's "paper" about EconCat88.

By my calculations, the total word count for the two stories is now: 2,877 words. I smell a poohlitzer.

EconCat88, you are the new Seneca County courthouse. This is why you should not agree to do the interview, at least not now. Your legend can grow by dragging this out.

If you do agree to the interview, months from now, ask the Blade reporter this question:

Why do you seek that wackadoo Carty Finkbeiner for comment, regarding anything related to Toledo, especially the so-called negative aspects of the city?

Consider the irony there. The Blade interviewed Czarty about someone else's alleged negativity.

Since I'm not from here, I don't have the overly sensitive, defensive attitude that so many Toledoans possess. I moved to northwest Ohio to be close to Lake Erie. But I prefer to live in the city because I don't like driving, and I like being close to the action. Some of that "action" could be bad at times, but I take the bad with the good. I enjoy the close proximity to many businesses, orgs, parks, etc.

While living 30-plus minutes away on my own small, private nature preserve sounds appealing, I'd feel too isolated, despite being surrounded by nature. Besides, I get to enjoy nature of all kinds in the city. I don't want to be too far away from all the many types of food places and events.

I grew up in a small town in the hills of eastern Ohio, and the closest "big" city was Pittsburgh, an hour and forty minutes away. Nothing against small rural towns, but living in a mid-sized city works better for me.

But please, Toledoans, get some new material. It's so damn comical and annoying when people trot out the same positives over and over and over, like we don't know these things exist:

  • baseball stadium
  • arena
  • art museum
  • science center
  • parks
  • university
  • blah, blah, blah.

Newsflash. Other cities of similar size and larger contain those amenities too.

This whole story about some YouTube videos that contain fewer views than the number of people who voted in Toledo's trivial mayoral election earlier this month (49,538 voters) is laughable. The videos or comments don't affect anything. Good and bad. If these videos are a problem, then this is definitely a charmed area.

The story here or the bigger issue here is the Blade's interest, which, as some have stated above, is now creepy.


Take action and improve things

A Facebook comment by Dock Treece posted on yesterday's Blade story:

And when someone offers to use their own money to make things better guess what they run up against....

Point out the obvious, get attacked.

Attempt to improve the area, face obstacles.

August 2011 TT comment :

--- begin 2011 comment ---

From District 5 Toledo City Councilman Tom Waniewski's August 2011 e-mail newsletter:

Parents and students from Start got together and let me help them paint the bleachers at Bowman Park. We were applying a primer to the first base side stands. Sherwin Williams donated 36 gallons of paint. Thanks to the unions for giving us the clearnace and allowing us to paint these worn and neglected bleachers.

Permission is needed from the unions for something benign like improving neglected bleachers.

Aug 8, 2011 Toledo Blade story titled Flowers vanishing from Toledo because of wilted economy

The fountain is near Walbridge Park, and the South Toledo neighbors who serve on the park's advisory board agreed to pitch in. Last year, they purchased and planted perennials and weeded, with help from city workers.

This year, with the crisis not over, it was volunteers or nothing. A half-dozen neighbors spent about 40 hours spreading mulch and weeding the 3,100-square-foot circle, before becoming overwhelmed.

With their annual July 4th celebration coming up at the fountain, they spent $1,000 of the board's funds and hired a landscaper to weed and trim. Unionized city workers took note of the landscaper. They filed a labor grievance.

We're told to be involved. These are not huge, complex projects. Concerned citizens want to improve a tiny part of their city, and they have to deal with unions. Why? This is archaic. This is not progressing.

--- end 2011 comment ---


Are things any better now, over two years later? Why all the obstacles to making small improvements to the city? These are not building renovations. It's painting bleachers and landscaping. How can anything larger ever get completed in a reasonable amount of time?

City officials will encourage citizens to be involved, but city officials don't do enough to remove the barriers for citizens to improve their city. If anything, city officials probably erect more barriers.

Will it be better under Collins? Not according to the Blade's editorial cartoonist, Kirk.

posted by jr on Nov 25, 2013 at 10:57:02 am     #   12 people liked this

JeepMaker

I can promise you that if I don't know your mother my stepmom does. She was a fixture in that neighborhood for most of her life. She is now 94 yrs old and in an assisted living facility out near Swanton. Back in my day it was not the greatest area in town but it was still a neighborhood, not "Da hood". I just can't believe how it looks now. Our house is still standing and occupied but the lot is so overgrown with weeds it looks like a jungle. The rest of the area is pretty much barren open ground. Only one building left from my time that still looks like the same business and that's a plumbing supply place. It was once a really thriving community. So was my home area around Striecher St. It's on it's way to oblivion but there are a few people there really trying to keep the area nice.

posted by Wydowmaker on Nov 25, 2013 at 11:10:57 am     #  

jr:

"poohlitzer" LOL!

Anyway, I stand up for the airport story. How do you think the newspaper found out about the deal? Someone must have tipped it off. Anyway, we already went 'round and 'round on this.

From the airport thread:

When businesses even begin negotiations with a government, they have placed themselves into the realm of the interests of the people served by that government. Any news outlet which hears (wonder from whom?) about about such activities would followup and report.

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 11:12:43 am     #  

COMING SOON! EconCat88 video at Toledo Express...closed captioning by C.S. Finkbeiner

posted by justareviewer on Nov 25, 2013 at 11:23:39 am     #   2 people liked this

Jr sez: "Sweet frigging fancy Moses. The Blade actually did publish another story in today's "paper" about EconCat88."

Just about the only time the local rag publishes successive front page articles on an individual is when their laser beam focus is bent on the destruction of some poor soul. This doesn't look good for Econ.

posted by pete on Nov 25, 2013 at 11:43:16 am     #   2 people liked this

Econ is an acquaintance of Steve Steele.......cue the circus music, things should get more interesting as we unmask this video terrorist

posted by Hoops on Nov 25, 2013 at 11:57:16 am     #  

Fred send me your cellphone number on YouTube and ill try to call you this evening. The videos were temporarily removed but will return later this week regardless what tb posts. My phone hasnt stopped ringing and I dont have time to deal with this right now.

posted by EconCat88 on Nov 25, 2013 at 12:28:23 pm     #   1 person liked this

I havent spoken to steel more than a few times in the past 5 or 6 years. He Shouldnt at all be mention ed along with my yt page.

posted by EconCat88 on Nov 25, 2013 at 12:30:50 pm     #  

I would be willing to make a video with finkbeiner when I have time after thanksgiving. Would be a real laugher.

posted by EconCat88 on Nov 25, 2013 at 12:33:22 pm     #  

EconCat88: keep your anonymity. There is nothing to be gained and more to be lost from you being outed. If your goal is to shine a light where some folks do not want light shining, you may face unforeseen repercussions.

I used to regularly blog about local items, and in looking back I am not convinced my life is any better by having a public profile. I endured all sorts of personal attacks - including threats of violence - by lunatics and cranks who disliked what I had to say.

If you elect to go public, be prepared for this possibility. The Blade just wants a story, but I can assure you from personal experience that it only takes a few determined stalkers to make you regret losing anonymity, and a Blade article will give those mentally unstable folks information that can be used in unpleasant ways.

You can be much more effective IMHO by staying anonymous, or at least off the easy-to-find radar.

Now, if you do not mind harassing phone calls, Internet threats, crazy emails, threatening letters, or even weird people showing up at your house, then by all means go public. Just be forewarned: kooks these days have a lot of information at their disposal.

posted by historymike on Nov 25, 2013 at 01:00:29 pm     #   5 people liked this

My phone hasnt stopped ringing and I dont have time to deal with this right now.

"He wanted this" --Paul Hem

posted by justread on Nov 25, 2013 at 01:22:51 pm     #   2 people liked this

Yes. Yes. He did.

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 01:59:27 pm     #  

Paul unlike certain jackass politicians who need the limelight my videos never have been about me and They arent going to start being about me. The city has been falling apart and I will continue uploading videos displaying these truths.

posted by EconCat88 on Nov 25, 2013 at 03:15:50 pm     #  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8djpIyTOGK8

posted by Wydowmaker on Nov 25, 2013 at 03:25:52 pm     #  

Problem identification is the first step to solving a problem. These videos just hit a little close to home for some.

Sure there are many positives about Toledo. Toledo has great potential.

Still focusing just on the good - which you should so that you can replicate successes - as many Toledo politicos and other quasi-government folks almost exclusively seem to do except when running for office against an incumbent, is just a recipe for failure.

Problems left to fester result in situations like Detroit. Toledo is different in some ways as the state has pension responsibilities for public employees, but those costs could well become a burden on every Ohio community in the future.

Never, ever think that Toledo could not become a mini-version of Detroit. Detroit despite its problems has institutions as venerated as those in Toledo and some gems strewn among the rubble.

A little fear is good. It keeps you looking over your shoulder and wards off complacency.

Washington may have its gridlock, but Toledo has it's retreads - the same folks that created these problems always claim they can save us from them. And the new mayor supported heavily by the Blade and local unions has had a role in this city for quite some time and is asking the old guard to be his new guard. Be afraid and be very, very cautious regardless the hype now about how its all going to change.

Identifying problems should always be viewed as commendable. Sometimes you have to swallow hard in listening or viewing the way the problem is presented.

Offering suggestions is recommended. Still, that too can be fraught with peril and controversy since the suggestions can also trample on the the good PR the politicos want you to hear. And the media generally focuses just on the criticisms and ignores the suggestions.

Historymike - you make some very good points. I've been there too!

You don't have to agree with everything everybody says to see value in different opinions and how it can create an atmosphere for problem solving assuming those in power support the process as opposed to intimidate those who speak out.

Nostalgia and good feelings for your hometown needs a dose of reality. I have lived in other cities and done a lot of traveling. While Toledo has positives and great potential there is substantial room for improvement if the potential is to be realized!

Somehow I can't see this effort directed at EconCat88 as anything more than intimidation. This is a lesson directed at all of us: keep your mouth shut, tow the line and all will be well for you and your family.

posted by sflagg on Nov 25, 2013 at 04:53:41 pm     #   3 people liked this

EconCat88: Thanks for reaching out. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.

Frankly, I would consider taking advantage of this. Get on the YouTube "partners" program and make some bucks. If this could go national that would be some serious green.

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 05:16:00 pm     #  

paulhem posted at 05:16:00 PM on Nov 25, 2013:

EconCat88: Thanks for reaching out. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.

Frankly, I would consider taking advantage of this. Get on the YouTube "partners" program and make some bucks. If this could go national that would be some serious green.

Jesus Christ, are you serious?

posted by hunkytownsausage on Nov 25, 2013 at 05:37:58 pm     #   2 people liked this

jr posted at 04:07:50 PM on Nov 24, 2013:

"I think that his story would be more likely to be found and discussed."

I don't understand. The Blade wants to promote someone who trashes Toledo, but today's Blade story wonders if EconCat88's videos will hurt Toledo.

"I have been told that the EconCat88 story is driving toledoblade.com right now. For a news outlet that isn't exactly bad news for The Blade."

So the conspiracy theory is EconCat88 is a Blade employee??

In my professional amateur opinion, if a story about YouTube videos is good for business, then your business may have other issues.

"if a story about YouTube videos is good for business, then your business may have other issues"

And I thought of this:

(made clicky for the buying)

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 25, 2013 at 05:46:47 pm     #  

hunkytownsausage: Yes I am. I have no idea what his clicks are right now, but he should at least cash in however he can.

http://www.youtube.com/yt/creators/creator-benefits.html

Why not play a little "Rope a Dope?"

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 06:09:46 pm     #  

Based on the Blade follow up story, I have to say this ordeal is frightening. Has the Blade lost their mind? I was pretty indifferent about EconCat88's videos but very saddened with the decay. However the Blade is freaking me out with their follow up stating that there was a lot of backlash against Econ. If you look at the comments on-line, I think the Blade is really getting nailed. As one contributor said. The videos show the truth. I don't believe Econ's videos are staged.

So Econ; Stay low and keep the battery full. I'm going to start carrying my Kodak Sport with me. It's waterproof which may be needed in the event of water cannon attacks...

posted by rch101 on Nov 25, 2013 at 06:22:33 pm     #   4 people liked this

Seriously... If is such a pain for the guy and The Blade is bothering him, then turn it into green.

You know, make lemonade and all...

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 06:24:04 pm     #  

jr posted at 05:50:01 PM on Nov 24, 2013:

"So, you are welcome to your opinion, whether it is amateur or professional."

From the Blade story:

"... he has the right to post videos, no matter how biased."

Whew. That was close. I'm glad the Blade staff has granted the rest of us permission to express our own opinions. At least for this evening. But who knows what tomorrow holds in the shadows of the intertubes.

WATCH OUT JR IF YOU PISS OFF THE BLADE STAFF THEY WILL REVOKE THEIR PERMISSIONS AND COME AND TAKE YOUR WEBSITE AWAY!

...

Personally, I'm waiting for the hard-hitting editorial/commentary in Toledo Free Press as to the sheer irony of how The Blade and its staff are all about that First Amendment thing while simultaneously having a history of going after the anonymity of and shutting down the free speech of anyone they don't like. They probably can't though... because of that pesky court case brought by You Know Who.

posted by anonymouscoward on Nov 25, 2013 at 06:36:34 pm     #  

EconCat88, want some videos of city facility employees sleeping on the job at Ottawa Park? I'm not an expert, but not only were they sleeping, there's a ton of footage of them probably violating OSHA rules by operating power tools without eye or hearing protection, etc. Or, how about some video of TPD officers immediately responding to a report of people not being permitted to use the restrooms there like there was a shooting or something?

posted by hockeyfan on Nov 25, 2013 at 06:59:30 pm     #  

I'm just sayin' that the 1st Amendment has zero zero to do with any of what has been discussed here.

"Can websites censor things I say online?
We are often asked this question from potential clients who have had their Internet messages or postings removed by forums, message boards, website operators or ISP’s. Unfortunately, as noted above, the First Amendment only applies to government actors, and not to private website operators.Therefore, assuming the website is acting on its own, and not at the request or on the behalf of some state or federal government authority, no First Amendment right is violated. However, a customer’s relationship with a website is usually governed by a set of “Terms & Conditions” that are agreed to during the registration or access process. Those Terms & Conditions will usually identify the grounds for removal of communications or termination of the customer’s account. Such user terms and conditions are usually enforced by the courts. "

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 07:06:39 pm     #  

I'm just sayin' that the 1st Amendment has zero zero to do with any of what has been discussed here.

"Can websites censor things I say online?
We are often asked this question from potential clients who have had their Internet messages or postings removed by forums, message boards, website operators or ISP’s. Unfortunately, as noted above, the First Amendment only applies to government actors, and not to private website operators.Therefore, assuming the website is acting on its own, and not at the request or on the behalf of some state or federal government authority, no First Amendment right is violated. However, a customer’s relationship with a website is usually governed by a set of “Terms & Conditions” that are agreed to during the registration or access process. Those Terms & Conditions will usually identify the grounds for removal of communications or termination of the customer’s account. Such user terms and conditions are usually enforced by the courts"

http://www.firstamendment.com/first-amendment/

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 07:08:14 pm     #  

Sorry, link was needed..,

posted by paulhem on Nov 25, 2013 at 07:09:34 pm     #  

Could it be that this is finally the wake-up call the so called City Leaders need? Probably not, but it sure seems to have awoken the public. I happen to agree with Econ. The city has been going downhill.

I graduated from the University back in the Mid 90's and even then it wasn't great. I got married to a native, and there was no way she was going to leave. After 18 years in Toledo for me, a lifetime for her, she finally decided it was time to go. Headed south and never looked back. Just a week or so ago she even mentioned that we should have left years ago.

I'm still trying to figure out the Blade's angle to all this. I happen to agree with the other posters thinking that if a YouTube video will really do that much harm to Toledo, then there is a bigger, more systemic issue that, quite frankly, city leaders will need to tackle head on. Unfortunately that won't happen, in my opinion, because I don't think the elected officials are bright enough to figure it out. Or, quite possibly, they don't want to...

posted by AccountantDan on Nov 25, 2013 at 10:47:06 pm     #  

Never looked back?

Yet here you are...

posted by toledolen_ on Nov 25, 2013 at 11:58:25 pm     #   2 people liked this

The water coolers at the building on Jackson St. must be crowded every day. One representative who contributes to this blog makes overtures for adult beverages and Keith Burris wants to meet for coffee with EconCat88. Seems like a lot of liquid consumption occuring with these guys. Is any real work being done?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris/2013/11/26/EconCat88-come-in-out-from-the-cold.html

The creation of a controvesy generated during a slow post election news period would appear harmless enough but for the definitions offered by Mr. Burris' article.

"There are three levels to the blogosphere. One is ignorant people venting, often in ugly ways. The second is what you might call citizen journalists — people who have something to say but are perhaps not meeting the classical standards of grammar, fact checking, and fairness. The third is old-fashioned, professional journalism, simply delivered by electronic means."

I would like to add one more level characterized by two words: proprietary and principled.

Each participant of a blog Owns their machines, pays the fees for the electronic connection themselves and is not held accountable by remuneration to anyone for the substance of the contribution, which takes me to the second element - principled. Those individuals whose hearts are full of avarice, self serving advancement cannot fathom any engagement in an activity which lacks a payday. It is driven by the interior satisfaction by which an individual swims from Cuba to Florida or climbs a mountain. There exist no trophys in the chattering class save for individual improvement in the art of communication. Those adhering to "classical standards," might take notice of the sometimes raw yet pristine nature of the medium. Lacking a great deal of effort no IP is truely anonymous and the pursuit of an identity has taken on a dark Nixon's list undertone. It becomes repressive jouralism when vast resources are aimed at a target, much like hitting a fly with a sledgehammer, for the express purpose of boosting circulation. There might be a chilling effect on blog participation or in Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's statement,"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

posted by Mariner on Nov 26, 2013 at 02:55:50 am     #   4 people liked this

Perhaps a meeting at the Tantara plantation is in order. Another article in today's newspaper.

posted by Hoops on Nov 26, 2013 at 07:21:48 am     #  

Yesterday I said this was creepy. Maybe I was wrong because now I feel sickened. Toledo Talk is quoted in today's Blade. They went to Econ's house. They quote Collins like he accepted a election conseson phone call from Econ. Then you have Keith Burris with his two cents.
Going to take a shower now because on top of feeling sick, the whole thing makes me feel dirty. Can only imagine how Econ feels.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Nov 26, 2013 at 08:08:42 am     #   5 people liked this

Yeah, this thing has gotten out of control. Going to his house multiple times? A little stalkerish. Econ should definitely avoid them now.

posted by Ace_Face on Nov 26, 2013 at 08:28:23 am     #   1 person liked this

The water coolers at the building on Jackson St. must be crowded every day. One representative who contributes to this blog makes overtures for adult beverages and Keith Burris wants to meet for coffee with EconCat88. Seems like a lot of liquid consumption occuring with these guys. Is any real work being done?

I did indulge in a chuckle when I read this. I can't speak for Keith, but I can tell you that is the way I do business outside 541 N. Superior. Let's sit down with a beverage or over a meal and have a discussion.

I have had a number of different duties at The Blade, I was even called upon to work as a Web editor for a couple of years. Now days, I am primarily involved in marketing and advertising. I meet social media contacts for lunch, on occasion. No adult beverages are consumed during work hours, however. As anyone here in marketing of sales can tell you, this type of engagement has been practiced for hundreds of years. So, it is in the line of duty, and therefore "work" is being done.

"Those individuals whose hearts are full of avarice, self serving advancement cannot fathom any engagement in an activity which lacks a payday. It is driven by the interior satisfaction by which an individual swims from Cuba to Florida or climbs a mountain."

Pray tell, where did you get that? All paid media activity is avarice and without principal?

When Keith mentions pamphleteers, that acknowledges that he acknowledges independent publishers, electronic (blogs) or print with dignity and respect similar to those who began modern journalism in 1770.

The pamphleteers espouse controversial political views and ideas. They seek alternative means of publishing their writing and succeed by printing their own pamphlets. Independent publishing by pamphleteers is the first expression of the concept of freedom of the press in the United States.

Mariner, those who have been through basic communication courses are taught about this. Keith was offering great praise to bloggers by comparing them to these people.

Anyway, I am busy with Thanksgiving prep and my wife had me take time off to help her. I have been very interested in Toledo Talk for quite awhile. Therefore, you can imagine how often I have had my face in my laptop and not paying close attention to my better half over the years. Since I do not want to grow old in an apartment alone, then I will be contributing much less than I would normally this week.

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 08:36:22 am     #  

paul broke toledo talk

posted by upso on Nov 26, 2013 at 08:41:24 am     #   3 people liked this

Noooooo! Help me jr...

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 08:42:10 am     #  

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 08:46:06 am     #  

Sooo. each line separate line... Oops!

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 08:46:41 am     #  

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 09:05:12 am     #  

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 09:05:47 am     #  

Got it!

Sorry guys

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 09:06:03 am     #  

So now, The Blade has published five articles/commentaries along with calling him, messaging him, and visiting his house twice. WTF is going on at N. Superior? What's the fascination with EconCat88? People say that Toledo is a sh*thole all day everyday whether it be in person or on the Internet; whether it be blogging, vlogging, or social media, yet, The Blade is beginning to look like a mercenary with a mission. We all know the advantages of living in Toledo and I'm certain that EconCat88 would be the first to point out the cheap living costs, but is his hobby here so bad that it garners the persistent attention of Toledo's main newspaper outlet? What he's saying in his videos are not lies, there's a substantial amount of wasteful spending and he's helping in exposing that - does that make him negligent or careless? As far as I'm concerned, he's a citizen vigilante. He obviously cares enough about Toledo considering he still lives here, paying taxes, and is active with the local politics.

I'm calling a spade a spade here; The Blade is up to no good with this and I'm applaud EconCat88 for not giving in.

posted by odnation on Nov 26, 2013 at 10:01:35 am     #   8 people liked this

because burris says it does not make it so... the patronizing chiding makes him sound like a boarish oaf. lots of people chose to stay anon for a multitude of reasons. the blade is manufacturing a story and worse, though not unusual for the blade as of late, making themselves a part of the story... bad journalism 101.

the good editors have retired; the great writers (other than hack) have moved on. the blade has followed the inevitable arc of family businesses where it falls into incompetent hands and becomes a callow tool of the bullying privledged who chose not to even live among us.

toledo, lacking a solid unbiased (dare to say benevolent) press and having a self-serving political class created the conditions that econcat reported. the story is not econcat but what he reported... the blade being part of the problem wishes to divert attention away from the problem in a manner befitting TMZ and is instead reporting on the "personalities". blachh

dont get sucked into the blade representatives trying to change the subject and or divert attention

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Nov 26, 2013 at 10:13:18 am     #   6 people liked this

While EconCat88 has his YouTube videos on temporary hiatus, here's the new Top 10 list of YouTube videos about Toledo, Ohio

  1. Battle Lines: Gangs of Toledo Defining Boundaries - by the Toledo Blade
  2. Toledo Ohio x blocc crips
  3. Getting robbed at a Marco's Pizza in Toledo Ohio
  4. The Ohio Story: Port of Toledo
  5. Police brutality? Washington Township cop roughs up Toledo, Ohio, family
  6. Abandoned Mall Exploration
  7. In Toledo Ohio, Police Beat and Choke 14 Year Old Boy
  8. Driving Through Toledo, Ohio: I-75, I-280, OH-25 & 2
  9. Toledo, Ohio Funny Song and Video
  10. barber shop fight toledo ohio

Thank you YouTube and Google for contributing to the insurmountable damage to Toledo's image.

Maybe Carty Collins can do something about this. Maybe offer a Carty Reality Bus Tour of Toledo.

Hopefully, someone organizes a public forum at a local library that will be attended by 8 people to solve this problem, since hardly anyone uses the Internet to discuss things.

Wait, there's more.

Since some Web users may use the scroll function on their Internet-enabled device, they may encounter these next five videos about Toledo, Ohio on that same YouTube search result page:

Now what? Maybe someone can unplug the Internet.

If you are concerned about such minutiae, the new video list above about Toledo now seems worst without EconCat88's videos.

posted by jr on Nov 26, 2013 at 10:38:55 am     #   6 people liked this

This is very interesting. Reading between the lines, it seems that Econ-whatever isn't sure whether he's enjoying his 15 minutes of fame or whether he's afraid of the consequences of his inevitable outing. It's one thing to take anonymous cheap shots at the city and quite another to answer to them personally.

posted by MariaL on Nov 26, 2013 at 10:48:44 am     #  

What cheap shots? If you're going to be posting vague statements like that, at least have the common courtesy to explain yourself. Why do you feel that they're "cheap shots" ? The topics he brings up are not lies - they are factual. If you or anyone else for that matter want to argue on whether or not the city has pissed away money and opportunity the past SEVERAL decades, then you're have your hands full with that rhetoric.

And please, don't repeat yourself and tell us that Toledo is no different than other cities despite how much you claim to travel. Toledo is in fact VERY different than other cities, and if you can't see that, then I have to seriously question your judgement.

You can mock "Econ-whatever" all you want, but choosing to turn a blind eye will not make the problems go away.

posted by odnation on Nov 26, 2013 at 10:57:45 am     #   5 people liked this

again, mairi l...

why, like the blade, make econ the subject and divert attention away from the content of the video? why the obsession with the messenger rather than the message? interesting indeed...

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Nov 26, 2013 at 11:15:26 am     #   6 people liked this

I believe you answered your own question earlier ees:

"the blade being part of the problem wishes to divert attention away from the problem in a manner befitting TMZ and is instead reporting on the "personalities". blachh

posted by Foodie on Nov 26, 2013 at 12:19:39 pm     #  

MariaL posted at 10:48:44 AM on Nov 26, 2013:

This is very interesting. Reading between the lines, it seems that Econ-whatever isn't sure whether he's enjoying his 15 minutes of fame or whether he's afraid of the consequences of his inevitable outing. It's one thing to take anonymous cheap shots at the city and quite another to answer to them personally.

So if The Blade disagrees with something you post anonymously on Toledo Talk, you fully support Blade reporters knocking on your door multiple times a day, correct?

posted by clt212 on Nov 26, 2013 at 12:40:40 pm     #   4 people liked this

It appears that the videos are now making their way back on the Cat's site.

I'm not surprised by a bit of introspection on the part of the Cat. It makes sense to go back and review what's on the site, what's been said and how to proceed.

The last thing you want to do is succumb to the intimidation, threats, taunts and invitations without being armed.

This is effort is maniacal and Machiavellian.

Equation of the day: Blade = hypocrisy

Of all the organizations and individuals in this city, how can the Blade as an organization take someone else to task for what they have done almost daily during the 35 years I've lived in this area?

The internet has changed the dynamics and the only way to control a situation like this is to make an example of someone and frighten the rest of us from speaking out. It's nothing but blatant coercion.

This is not about what the Cat says, but the right to say it. A basic principle ensconced in the founding traditions of America.

Focusing on the words is a diversion. The actions to date speak much, much louder with ominous overtones for all of us unless we support the right to speak your opinion regardless of how repugnant we find it to be. Next time, you might find yourself the target.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"..... Voltaire

posted by sflagg on Nov 26, 2013 at 12:41:17 pm     #   6 people liked this

... before we make EconCat88 a martyr and the voice of our time, can we just take a second and reassess this? I completely agree that the Blade running that article was unwarranted, and everyone is entitled to their opinion and shouldn't be bullied when doing so. But let's not make it like Cat was pleading for the proper changes to be made for our community to be made better. He was just out there talking shit about everything. There's a difference between constructive criticism and trash talking.

posted by Johio83 on Nov 26, 2013 at 12:53:04 pm     #   4 people liked this

Within an approximate 100 mi radius of Toledo, plenty of places that look/feel as least as, or more (sometimes much more) "desperate" than Toledo: Ypsilanti, Taylor MI, Findlay, Lima, Lansing, Flint, Youngstown, Akron, Jackson, MI, Monroe......and probably many more that I haven't been able to think of in 30 seconds.
An odd and unexpected thing about Econ is that it sounds like he may be an adult. His complaints sound very much like those I've heard from local people in their 20's----This place is horrible, I want to get out of here as soon as I can, etc...... Often they leave, and curiously, many of them then return after a year or two apparently realizing that Toledo wasn't quite as horrible as they originally thought.

posted by MariaL on Nov 26, 2013 at 12:53:44 pm     #  

I don't think anyone is making Cat a martyr. Still one can see a crucifixion coming.

Crucifying a messenger of bad news or problem situations gets us nowhere.

As to other cities or communities with problems, listing those communities and suggesting they are worse off is a convenient diversion. The issues are: What are the problems in Toledo? How can we solve them?

Let's not disparage another community in an attempt to make Toledo look better or the rest of us to feel better. Look folks, there are many places worse off and many more where times are better. We have our own house to worry about.

MariaL - Perhaps these children you speak of can't find gainful employment and simply return to the nest. There are many plausible explanations for returning home that don't rely upon Toledo being less horrible than their erstwhile residences.

posted by sflagg on Nov 26, 2013 at 01:13:03 pm     #  

If I found a job better than what I have now in Toledo, I'd return in a heartbeat. I love the city, but when I left, I had just finished grad school at UT and found a job in another part of the country. During my search, I was a finalist for two jobs in Toledo and both jobs were eliminated by companies instead of being filled. There are definitely issues with my current city, but the area is growing as fast as any in the country. That said, it's still not home for me and I'd definitely go back to Toledo if the opportunity arose.

posted by clt212 on Nov 26, 2013 at 01:19:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

"before we make EconCat88 a martyr and the voice of our time, can we just take a second and reassess this?"

No.

And you're missing the point by a wide margin. The story is not EconCat88 and the content in his videos. The story is the Blade taking this seriously by stalking and bullying the guy. Maybe this is what the Blade meant by how Toledo needs to be more like China.

"I completely agree that the Blade running that article was unwarranted,"

That article? Singular? You need to catch up. As of Tuesday morning, it was FIVE articles in three days, written by three different people.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/11/24/EconCat88-Trashing-Toledo-one-negative-video-at-a-time.html

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/11/25/City-critic-s-videos-spark-calls-for-action-agreement.html

http://www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris/2013/11/25/Toledo-must-be-defined-by-those-who-build.html

http://www.toledoblade.com/Culture/2013/11/26/Most-scathing-videos-vanish-from-YouTube-s-public-view.html

http://www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris/2013/11/26/EconCat88-come-in-out-from-the-cold.html


Burris:

If you are not even willing to state your name, why should anyone take you seriously?

88 and anyone else are not requiring others to take them seriously. It's content.

It's up to the consumer of the info and not the producer of the info to decide whether to take the content seriously.

Again, incredible irony here. Burris has now written two columns about EconCat88's videos. A for-profit media org has spent money and labor, creating five stories in three days. The Blade has visited 88's house.

From the Blade:

So far, the man behind “EconCat88” has refused entreaties from The Blade by way of telephone, email, two visits to his home in West Toledo, and stories seeking an interview with him.

To me, that sounds like the Blade is taking this seriously.

It burns the media when people publish freely and easily on the Internet with a pseudonym.

Based upon Burris's comment, why should anyone take seriously the Blade op-eds, which are written anonymously, and the occasional Blade news stories that are written under the pseudonym "STAFF?"

In Burris's world, it's do as we say and not as we do.

Toledo Talk posting guidelines --> posting anonymously that excerpts from this post

About anonymous postings, I think it's simple. It's a matter of choice and freedom, and the responsibility belongs to the reader and not the poster. If you don't like anonymous postings, then you have the freedom of choice to ignore such postings. You have the freedom to move on.

If you manage a Web site, and you don't like anonymous postings, then, obviously, it's your responsibility to correct the problem.

Maybe by posting anonymously, we get additional info that otherwise we would not have gotten. It's up to the reader to decide what to do with that info. Do you trust every thing you read in a newspaper or see on TV or hear on the radio? When you read [a newspaper] op-ed with no name attached, what's up with that? How do you know which person wrote what op-ed?

And you can't be selective with your viewpoint on anonymous posters. You can't say, "Well, it's fine for that person to remain anonymous because she's nice, but that mean person needs to reveal his real name."


Toledo Government

On a lighter and obviously more positive note about Toledo, Larry Sykes may win the 6th and final Toledo city council at-large seat.

Let's see, the 2014 edition of Toledo city council will or may contain the following luminaries:

  • Jack Ford
  • Rob Ludeman
  • Larry Sykes
  • Theresa Gabriel

No, it's not 1993. It's currently 2013.

And of course, Carty Collins as mayor.

The status-quo thinking of the last 20-plus years continues. Nothing wrong with that. If it ain't fixed, don't break it.

25 percent voter turnout. Juicy.

But the problem is videos of broken buildings and government waste.


Toledo's YouTube Image

For your viewing pleasure, here are the Top 3 Videos about Toledo, Ohio and none were created by EconCat88.

#1. Battle Lines: Gangs of Toledo Defining Boundaries


#2. Toledo Ohio x blocc crips


#3. Getting robbed at a Marco's Pizza in Toledo Ohio


I hope the people associated with those videos are included in future discussions about Toledo's image.

posted by jr on Nov 26, 2013 at 01:59:01 pm     #   7 people liked this

I don't think I missed the point at all. It's possible to agree that the Blade shouldn't be targeting, while also not glorifying him.

posted by Johio83 on Nov 26, 2013 at 02:26:34 pm     #  

MariaL:

Actually the point is that jr and many here will go after anything that even looks like it might threaten anonymity of any kind anyway.

I'm not claiming that anonymity defense is bad.

It is a passion for people here, especially, jr.

Toledo Talk posting guidelines --> posting anonymously that excerpts from this post

About anonymous postings, I think it's simple. It's a matter of choice and freedom, and the responsibility belongs to the reader and not the poster. If you don't like anonymous postings, then you have the freedom of choice to ignore such postings. You have the freedom to move on.
If you manage a Web site, and you don't like anonymous postings, then, obviously, it's your responsibility to correct the problem.

Maybe by posting anonymously, we get additional info that otherwise we would not have gotten. It's up to the reader to decide what to do with that info. Do you trust every thing you read in a newspaper or see on TV or hear on the radio? When you read [a newspaper] op-ed with no name attached, what's up with that? How do you know which person wrote what op-ed?

And you can't be selective with your viewpoint on anonymous posters. You can't say, "Well, it's fine for that person to remain anonymous because she's nice, but that mean person needs to reveal his real name."

And here we go again on why editorials traditionally in the newspaper business are not signed.

"Editorial Pages":http://people.howstuffworks.com/newspaper3.htm

A newspaper publishes its views on current events -- both local and national -- on its editorial page. This is where letters to the editor, political cartoons, and editorials -- unsigned commentary that reflects the collective position of the newspaper's editorial board -- appear. Letters are often among the best-read section of any newspaper, for this is where readers express their opinions. Some newspapers limit letters to a certain number of words – maybe 150 or 300 -- while others publish letters of virtually any length.

Editorials are not news, but rather reasoned opinion based on facts. For example, editorials may criticize the performance of public officials such as the mayor, the police chief or the local school board; conversely, editorials may praise others for their civic contributions. Whatever the topic, newspapers hope their editorials will raise the level of community discourse.

Also under the "editorial" umbrella are the op-ed pieces. Op-ed is a contraction of "opposite the editorial" page (not "opinion editorial," a common misconception) [source: Boston Globe]. Op-eds run on the page opposite the editorial page and often publish opinion articles written by people not employed by the newspaper [source: Boston Globe]. For instance, The Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by U.S. President Barack Obama in January 2011 that discussed his administration's views on government regulation, and the world learned of actress Angelina Jolie's double mastectomy via an op-ed she wrote for The New York Times in May 2013 [sources: Parramore, Jolie].

The editorial pages are under the direction of an editor outside the news division. Newspaper people call this "separation of church and state," meaning there is a line between news and opinion that must not be crossed. To do so strips a newspaper of its most valuable asset -- credibility. For that reason, editorial-page editors at some large newspapers report to the publisher, who is the chief executive officer of the company, and not to the executive editor. Other newspapers may have their editorial-page editor reporting to the executive editor. Whatever the organizational model, though, neither department can tell the other what to publish in the newspaper.

Take a look at what was said when The Blade went to Facebook comments:

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/111801#111820

I kind of expected this would happen eventually, but the Blade's reasons for switching are wrong.

The change, aimed at improving the public discourse ...
The goal is to foster better and more civil public discussions ...

It's a myth that real names lead to civility on the Internet. This myth is distributed by anti-pseudonym people. If you think Facebook users or Facebook comments on other sites have civil discussions, then you have spent very little time on Facebook and on the Web.

July 2011 blog post titled An Open Letter to Those Who Think Real Names Solve the Civility Problem :

Real names do nothing to rescue [the] intertoobz from civility problems. People are too adept at being rat bastards for anything like a real name policy to stop them.
I hate to tell you this, but the civility problem will never be solved. There will always be a subset of rotten jerks in any given population. The band-aid of a real names policy does nothing but give you the illusion things will be hunky-dory.

You [site owner] mitigate it by having tools in place for folks to flag bad behavior. You [site owner] mitigate it by having policies in place that deal with that bad behavior no matter what name it's coming from. You [site owner] are going to have to take some responsibility beyond "real names!" to solve the civility problem.

So, you gotta watch yourself around here. Touching on the anonymity issue, even if you don't intend to do so will get you plenty of, well "feedback."

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 02:37:17 pm     #  

<sigh>

The thing that disappoints me the most is that the perp who robbed the Marco's wasn't dropped by a couple of clean shots to the head on his way out the door.

posted by Foodie on Nov 26, 2013 at 03:11:05 pm     #   1 person liked this

"... that the Blade shouldn't be targeting, while also not glorifying him."

The only "thing" that's glorifying EconCat88 is The Blade.

"Actually the point is that jr and many here will go after anything that even looks like it might threaten anonymity of any kind anyway."

And I shouldn't? Am I still allowed to express my opinions on the site that I fund?

Might threaten?

Some U.S. politicians, media people, and social media execs have stated that anonymity should not exist on the Internet.

Why do so many media people have a problem with anonymity on the Internet? If your org wants to require real names on its website, that's fine. I have no problem with that. But why do anti-anonymous orgs want to force their beliefs onto users on other websites?

Maybe EconCat88 should seek a second opinion from the Electronic Frontier Foundation or Anonymous.

posted by jr on Nov 26, 2013 at 03:44:55 pm     #   6 people liked this

I kind of like the idea of Econ trolling the Blade somehow. Perhaps sending a representative to negotiate a meet a la Good Will Hunting:

posted by Ace_Face on Nov 26, 2013 at 05:42:38 pm     #  

jr:

Relax Francis

Geez no one is challenging you. I was simply advising a person that you feel strongly about anonymity,

posted by paulhem on Nov 26, 2013 at 07:19:17 pm     #  

I thought they were finished but tom troy contacted me again after I posted 4 new videos sunday. I was told about another troy article in yesterday's paper, buy I haven't looked for it yet.

posted by EconCat88 on Dec 07, 2013 at 09:38:32 am     #  

88 The decision how best to function is yours and yours alone to make. On this historic date, Dec. 7th, a bowing of the head to all those on Pearl that day. I will state that only principled individuals are worthy of respect. Good luck with your future endevours.

posted by Mariner on Dec 07, 2013 at 09:48:23 am     #  

EconCat88 posted at 09:38:32 AM on Dec 07, 2013:

I thought they were finished but tom troy contacted me again after I posted 4 new videos sunday. I was told about another troy article in yesterday's paper, buy I haven't looked for it yet.

As mentioned yesterday, the Blade's production devoted to you includes:

  • 7 Blade stories
  • produced by at least 6 Blade employees
  • over 6,000 words spilled

posted by jr on Dec 07, 2013 at 10:49:08 am     #  

Whoops missing an "a" in that last word. Could be attributable to several things.
A.) I need to engage spellcheck
B.) I need reading glasses
C.) I am a sloppy typist in a hurry
D.) I need to proofread butter
E.) I do it on purpose to demonstrate
my overwhelming humanity
F.) I need to reset NoSquint on the browser

Take your pick no additions permitted.

posted by Mariner on Dec 07, 2013 at 10:49:08 am     #  

jr posted at 10:49:08 AM on Dec 07, 2013:
EconCat88 posted at 09:38:32 AM on Dec 07, 2013:

I thought they were finished but tom troy contacted me again after I posted 4 new videos sunday. I was told about another troy article in yesterday's paper, buy I haven't looked for it yet.

As mentioned yesterday, the Blade's production devoted to you includes:

  • 7 Blade stories
  • produced by at least 6 Blade employees
  • over 6,000 words spilled

Golly gee whiz.

Well, as Mitt Romney stated, corporations are people too, my friend. So if I was EconCat88, I'd get a TRO/TPO against The Blade. That can't possibly be a violation of the First Amendment, because people can file them against each other, and The Blade is a Corporate Person.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 07, 2013 at 10:58:52 am     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 10:58:52 AM on Dec 07, 2013:
jr posted at 10:49:08 AM on Dec 07, 2013:
EconCat88 posted at 09:38:32 AM on Dec 07, 2013:

I thought they were finished but tom troy contacted me again after I posted 4 new videos sunday. I was told about another troy article in yesterday's paper, buy I haven't looked for it yet.

As mentioned yesterday, the Blade's production devoted to you includes:

  • 7 Blade stories
  • produced by at least 6 Blade employees
  • over 6,000 words spilled

Golly gee whiz.

Well, as Mitt Romney stated, corporations are people too, my friend. So if I was EconCat88, I'd get a TRO/TPO against The Blade. That can't possibly be a violation of the First Amendment, because people can file them against each other, and The Blade is a Corporate Person.

Whaaaah. /p/

posted by justread on Dec 07, 2013 at 11:04:35 am     #  

justread posted at 11:04:35 AM on Dec 07, 2013:
anonymouscoward posted at 10:58:52 AM on Dec 07, 2013:
jr posted at 10:49:08 AM on Dec 07, 2013:
EconCat88 posted at 09:38:32 AM on Dec 07, 2013:

I thought they were finished but tom troy contacted me again after I posted 4 new videos sunday. I was told about another troy article in yesterday's paper, buy I haven't looked for it yet.

As mentioned yesterday, the Blade's production devoted to you includes:

  • 7 Blade stories
  • produced by at least 6 Blade employees
  • over 6,000 words spilled

Golly gee whiz.

Well, as Mitt Romney stated, corporations are people too, my friend. So if I was EconCat88, I'd get a TRO/TPO against The Blade. That can't possibly be a violation of the First Amendment, because people can file them against each other, and The Blade is a Corporate Person.

Whaaaah. /p/

Nope. And it doubles back to referencing Hem's interpretation of the First Amendment.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 07, 2013 at 11:31:18 am     #  

"How dare anyone out there make fun of Britney after all she has been through.! SHE’S A HUMAN! What you don’t realize is that Britney is making you all this money and all you do is write a bunch of crap about her. LEAVE HER ALONE! You are lucky she even performed for you BASTARDS!
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!…..Please"

Thought I'd add my 2 cents.

posted by dino on Dec 07, 2013 at 08:40:59 pm     #  

Pick up a copy of today's Sunday Blade for the special insert publication, The Treasures of Toledo

Treasures of Toledo

The Blade is in the planning phase of presenting a collection of videos (maybe other content) that showcases the positive side of Toledo. At this point, the plan is to create a Web presentation of the videos, using a special page on toledoblade.com. The idea is still in the planning phase. If you have some ideas, let us know via email. I will pass along any anonymous ideas that you may have, here at TT. However, if there is a specific contribution or material that you would like to provide/suggest, then someone from The Blade would probably have to contact you. In that event, The Blade would have to know who you are.

I have heard that The Blade will be contacting the contributors to Treasures of Toledo for any videos that may be available.

posted by paulhem on Dec 08, 2013 at 09:20:26 am     #  

so it takes econcat88 and Cedar Creek videos to get the PR geniuses at the Blade, the City, etc. to actually...never mind

posted by justareviewer on Dec 08, 2013 at 11:18:43 am     #   6 people liked this

Too many toledoans still don't realize that thousands of other cities have ball teams, museums, and schools. Oh yeah, how could I forget parks, too.

posted by EconCat88 on Dec 08, 2013 at 01:00:03 pm     #   6 people liked this

^ yeah, cat but they don't have Marcy et al

posted by justareviewer on Dec 09, 2013 at 10:45:32 am     #  

"Too many toledoans still don't realize that thousands of other cities have ball teams, museums, and schools. Oh yeah, how could I forget parks, too."

And every city has people, and buildings, and companies. It's the quality of each that sets each city apart, and Toledo's baseball stadium, zoo, and art museum are of a quality not typical of a city our size. That is why we are so proud of them.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 09, 2013 at 11:47:58 am     #   3 people liked this

"Too many toledoans still don't realize that thousands of other cities have ball teams, museums, and schools. Oh yeah, how could I forget parks, too."

Too many Toledoans still don't realize that thousands of other cities have economy issues, abandoned buildings, and undesirable neighborhoods. Oh yeah, how could I forget some crime, too.

So keep on with your bad self, kitty cat. Woop dee dooo.

The fact The Blade is on your ass speaks more to a lack of judgement on their part than your shitty videos actually being in any way relevant.

posted by toledolen_ on Dec 10, 2013 at 04:00:21 pm     #   4 people liked this

This missive defines repressive journalism:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris/2013/12/10/Treece-boys-not-ready-for-prime-time.html

Madoff?
Cheney, Bush?

Small wonder there is no open transmission of ideas in the area. Wonder how the circulation count is going?

posted by Mariner on Dec 10, 2013 at 04:27:10 pm     #  

Mariner posted at 04:27:10 PM on Dec 10, 2013:

This missive defines repressive journalism:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris/2013/12/10/Treece-boys-not-ready-for-prime-time.html

Madoff?
Cheney, Bush?

Small wonder there is no open transmission of ideas in the area. Wonder how the circulation count is going?

"Repressive journalism".

Looks like it has a distinct yellow hue to me...

Waiting for the "who us?" response from the social media manager any second now...

posted by oldhometown on Dec 10, 2013 at 05:01:52 pm     #   1 person liked this

His computer must be broken.

posted by justread on Dec 10, 2013 at 08:21:30 pm     #  

justread posted at 08:21:30 PM on Dec 10, 2013:

His computer must be broken.

No, he maxed out the cap and they shut his modem off.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 11, 2013 at 01:00:38 am     #   1 person liked this

Who us?

posted by paulhem on Dec 11, 2013 at 06:08:13 am     #  

Just another prime example of why I don't waste my life reading anything in the Daily Fishwrap. Mr. Burris offers no facts to back up his venom. We all know the real underlying reason for such a hit piece - The Treece "boys" are often seen in print in The Toledo Free Press which, if you've been paying attention, The Blah has been trying to sue out of existence with bogus, court clogging lawsuits to eliminate the competition.

The Blade is a PRIME reason why this area remains so far below its potential. Anyone in the private sector who takes a risk that might succeed without JRB having a self induced orgasm because he played "Kingmaker" is sure to end up at the wrong end of the Blade's poison pen.

How can we stop it? Stop patronizing that worthless rag. When their subscribers dry up, so will their advertisers.

I had the pleasure to listen to one of the "Treece boys" on the radio last week - the morning their plan was posted on their website. He's 26 years old and one of, if not the most, intelligent, articulate individuals I've ever heard speak. I seriously doubt the collective "intelligence" in the Blade building could hold a candle to the young Mr. Treece.

posted by Foodie on Dec 11, 2013 at 10:48:08 am     #   8 people liked this

Have found one bright spot in the recent articles on this topic. Lacking larceny in my heart had never even heard of a Michigan Roll let alone have the concept in my immediate awareness. Am toying with the idea as an x-mas present for a relative using a fin ($5) as cover with cut to size newspaper for the interior. Will part with the 5 and am sure can find discarded newsprint anywhere.

posted by Mariner on Dec 11, 2013 at 11:15:59 am     #  

Check this newer post out for positives.

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/166822

Foodie: Does The Blade get credit for the good things that happen to Toledo, or just the blame from those who are unhappy?

posted by paulhem on Dec 11, 2013 at 11:32:35 am     #  

Oh, please Paul. Give the role as "Best Blade Propaganda Spreader" a rest. It has grown tiresome. This:

".....or just the blame from those who are unhappy?..." has zero to do with it.

I've been in Toledo for 33 years and have watched this paper go after (with malice, ill intent and venom) anyone it disagrees with. There is NOTHING objective in the so called reporting splashed across the pages of JRB's sandbox. Anyone who's been here long enough damn well knows it or suffers from a severe case of cranial/rectal inversion syndrome. As opposed to being a useful source of news and information and a positive influence on and for this region, the Blade is nothing more than an extension of JRB's sick, twisted and maniacal persona. Apparently, Mr. Burris is a clone of that.

It is true that people deserve the government they get. I suppose the same is true of such a pathetic excuse of a daily paper.

If you believe the Blade had anything to do with Toledo's ascension in the CGI rankings then you must be smoking something you found in a drawer left over from the '70's. It had far more to do with city leadership making some tough choices. You know, the same city leadership your employer rallied against.

posted by Foodie on Dec 11, 2013 at 01:07:42 pm     #   5 people liked this

Does The Blade get credit for the good things that happen to Toledo, or just the blame from those who are unhappy?

Do the Treeces get credit for the good things they have done / helped in Toledo, or just ad hominem comparison attacks (Bernie Madoff--really???) from columnists with agendas?

posted by oldhometown on Dec 11, 2013 at 03:23:22 pm     #   3 people liked this

This is just my opinion and does not reflect The Blade's official position.

"Best Blade Propaganda Spreader" ~ Hmmm... Maybe I should ask for a raise?

:)

Frankly, Foodie, there is absolutely no local newspaper that does not receive the same criticism.

From a local Hawaii newspaper... I think that it speaks to the issue...

An agenda? Here? Yep -- and a good one at that

by Reed Flickinger
West Hawaii Today

"Our agenda is to question government actions, to peel back the layers of bureaucracy and obfuscation and report what is -- or more frequently is not -- being done and keenly ask the question: Where is the money going, how is it being spent and to whose benefit?"

"If the news media is a watchdog, as we maintain, we believe it should be a rottweiler, rather than the too popular poodle press. And with that perspective, we aggressively attempt to provide information to our community. It is for the readers then to decide themselves whether what is being reported pleases them or drives them, too, to demand accountability."

"Staff here operates in a gray area. We seek not to befriend politicians, because it is about them we write and we cannot be objective if they are friends. Neither do we intentionally alienate our elected leaders, though it too often occurs when they mistakenly believe our job is to report what they do or say and not question the same, or put those actions or remarks in context."

"Here's the Minneapolis Star getting some push back
http://forums.e-democracy.org/groups/mpls/messages/topic/6SSr38C8hrLMNYy7UIFuWL
The election process then becomes degraded. He is contending that the Star Tribune newspaper has an agenda that has as much to do with shaping the political news as with reporting it. He has invited the reporter who wrote the article, Steve Brandt, to engage in a discussion with him on the sidewalk in front of the Star Tribune headquarters as to the merits
of the article.

And one other, out of thousands...

Milwaukee’s Mayor, Tom Barrett, said Thursday he stands by Chief Flynn and the Milwaukee Police Department, and that the newspaper has an agenda.

“It helps sell newspapers. It creates the image that the city is unsafe. I take personal umbrage with that, as the mayor of this city, that the goal is to try to make this city look unsafe,” Mayor Barrett said.

Frankly, journalists hear and see this type pf criticism all of the time. Before I joined a news organization. I felt hostile to most news media. They seemed to have power that they had not earned. After studying for a bit, I figured out that was precisely what the Founders wanted. Also, after watching the news organization (And participating as a Web editor for a couple of years...) It became obvious that any hostility that I had some years ago was misplaced.

I found that news organizations, especially newspapers that report all "hearts and flowers" to the public are probably not covering stories - they are just going through the motions.

All opinions here are mine, not The Blade's


 Paul M. Hem, Jr.
 Social Media Manager

email: paulhem@toledoblade.com
Web: http://theblade.com
Direct: 419-724-6189
Cell: 419-973-0453
FAX: +1(866) 253-0635

posted by paulhem on Dec 11, 2013 at 03:45:12 pm     #  

Burriss' article has to be one of the most shameful pieces of writing I have ever read from that paper. To compare the Treece's to Bernie Madoff is incomprehensible. How does Burris show his face around town knowing the venom he spews is nothing but a bunch of bullshit? How does he walk with JRB's hands so far up his ass, much less type?

posted by hunkytownsausage on Dec 11, 2013 at 03:55:49 pm     #   1 person liked this

Keith Burris is probably the reason why I stopped getting the daily Blade. I get the Sunday edition cause the wifey wants it...I remember when I saw his first column, I said to myself 'who tha eff is this guy'? What makes him qualified to editorialize in the paper and why are they putting him on the front page? The more they did it, the more I got turned off. Put his column in the Page of Opinion and I don't have a problem with it but putting him front page sure makes me feel the paper is pushing agenda. Hence why I dropped it.

This latest editorial is just crap. I am not a journalist, nor an English major, but my 4 year old daughters kids books are much more insightful and better written than this. And again, the Blade has a vendetta against someone and it makes this whole area look like crap.

The plan isn't even out yet and they are attacking it...they know how to manage a business and yet that isn't qualified to run a business? Who said the plan doesn't include hiring qualified people to run the airport? Why qualifies the president of UT to sit on the airports committee of the Port when he has no aviation experience?

I got sick of their crap, so I've stopped paying them for it (for the most part).

posted by avinsurer on Dec 11, 2013 at 04:04:43 pm     #   2 people liked this

OK. You guys don't like the column, got it.

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/164382#164413

Here is what was reported.

"City emails turned over to The Blade..."

"The mayor told The Blade two weeks ago that there was no plan to sell the airport."

"City records show the younger Mr. Treece has been sending communications to city officials about his proposals to privatize airport operations since April 1."

"...a partner in Treece Investments, told Paul Syring, Mayor Mike Bell’s top economic development official, that he was willing to create a 'new, privately owned entity that will assume management of Toledo Express.'”

“'Obviously, transactions would occur at or near fair market value [we’re not going to fire sale property], but if we have to go to city council to approve every deal, we won’t be successful,' Mr. Treece said."

posted by paulhem on Dec 11, 2013 at 04:33:03 pm     #  

I found that news organizations, especially newspapers that report all "hearts and flowers" to the public are probably not covering stories - they are just going through the motions.

With all respect, that's not the issue.

The public craves hard-hitting journalism. However, the responsibility that goes along with that hard-hitting journalism is that it is even-handed. Especially when the local press is (theoretically) the institution that can speak "truth to power."

It is far from even handed at the Blade. The establishment, time and time and time and time and time again endorses the same connected political people for either the same offices or lateral moves. If the Blade ever endorses a Republican, it has to be becuase the Democrat is so politically / educationally / morally deficient that it would be sheer idiocy to endorse him or her. Otherwise, (D) rubber stamp. They're always good, other side always bad. Never mind that one party carries all the political power in this city and has for decades--and never mind that the city remains economically depressed. Nope, more of the same with the same people always good. Anyone with new ideas--especially if they are (I) or (R), bad.

The Blade organization knows it still carries power and has no trouble using it. Don't forget, their stories are still amplified through TV news (because the TV stations get their story ideas from the morning paper). Unsubscribing might help, but what would be more helpful would be TV stations that do their own work.

That willing dupes like Mr. Burris are able to shuffle aside and/or sell out their consciences while writing despicable things about people who dare to propose a radical new idea ...to an area so depressed and down on itself that the light at the end of the tunnel looks like a pinprick...demonstrates the Blade's advocacy is not for the well-being of this area, but for its own protected power players of local politics.

And holy cow folks....we're talking about the airport. A place that, no secret, isn't doing well at all (either in a vacuum or when compared to cities of similar sizes). What was wrong with the Treeces working on and proposing a new idea? What was the harm so great that they needed to be smeared with "Madoff"? It is unconscionable that the Treece family is mentioned in direct comparison with a man who robbed and ruined the finances of thousands of individuals. Purposefully, to stir up emotions. It is irresponsible, shameful, and speaks volumes.

Why doesn't capital invest in this town? Because if someone wants to invest or propose new things and a columnist or the paper's editorial board doesn't like it, the potential investor can count on getting a red hot poker jammed so far up their a$$ they'll see stars and a glowing light from their eye sockets. Little wonder people with money...the golden geese, stay the hell away.

Toledo, your newspaper and all that it has wrought. Subscribe today!

posted by oldhometown on Dec 11, 2013 at 04:41:54 pm     #   10 people liked this

Taking a page from The Blade (get it?) Did a little Aries stalking of my own. Keith Burris lives in Ottawa Hills. Can't wait to hear what else is good for Toledo from him.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Dec 11, 2013 at 04:49:26 pm     #   5 people liked this

Why doesn't capital invest in this town? Because if someone wants to invest or propose new things and a columnist or the paper's editorial board doesn't like it, the potential investor can count on getting a red hot poker jammed so far up their a$$ they'll see stars and a glowing light from their eye sockets. Little wonder people with money...the golden geese, stay the hell away.

JEEP FUELED FOR GROWTH
Chrysler outlines plans for $1.7 billion investment
Toledo plant to build replacement for Liberty, welcome 1,100 jobs

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Automotive/2011/11/17/Chrysler-outlines-plans-for-1-7-billion-investment.html#J3PLv6eEBO3yuqu0.99

posted by paulhem on Dec 11, 2013 at 04:50:37 pm     #  

Ah yes, JEEP! No doubt a great attribute of our city. Love having them here and the jobs they create. That said, I envision a day when somebody asks who the biggest employer or who Toledo's economy relies on the most and the answer isn't fucking Jeep. I'm sick of jeep being portrayed as this savior.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Dec 11, 2013 at 05:04:27 pm     #   3 people liked this

paulhem posted at 04:50:37 PM on Dec 11, 2013:
Why doesn't capital invest in this town? Because if someone wants to invest or propose new things and a columnist or the paper's editorial board doesn't like it, the potential investor can count on getting a red hot poker jammed so far up their a$$ they'll see stars and a glowing light from their eye sockets. Little wonder people with money...the golden geese, stay the hell away.

JEEP FUELED FOR GROWTH
Chrysler outlines plans for $1.7 billion investment

Toledo plant to build replacement for Liberty, welcome 1,100 jobs

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Automotive/2011/11/17/Chrysler-outlines-plans-for-1-7-billion-investment.html#J3PLv6eEBO3yuqu0.99

Thank you for proving my point.

The Blade likes Jeep. The columnists like Jeep. The editorial board likes Jeep. Anything critical of Jeep is nary mentioned in the Blade. Too much at stake to piss them off with an investigative series on...well, anything.

Or perhaps a columnist should write a series suggesting Jeep should do more for the area a la what Anheuser Busch does in St. Louis (for example). Really minimize Jeep because of some long-held vendetta.

Or hey, here's an idea: maybe the Blade should team up with a Rome newspaper to crawl up the ass of Boss Man Sergio at Fiat--you know, compare him to Bernie Madoff, Ivan Boesky, or another famous Italian, Charles Ponzi.

What...that crosses the line??? You don't say...

But a local family that proposes a different idea for the airport and doesn't let anyone at the local paper give approval? Must. Be. Crushed.

Isn't there a courthouse being torn down somewhere?

posted by oldhometown on Dec 11, 2013 at 05:10:45 pm     #   5 people liked this

OK fair enough. The credit then goes to the men and women who enter the plant each day and have performed well. The credit goes to their organizing union who represents them collectively to management. The credit goes way back to a civic leader with the tenacity to see the original development to completion and all of the current success flows from there.

posted by Mariner on Dec 11, 2013 at 05:13:06 pm     #  

Mariner posted at 11:15:59 AM on Dec 11, 2013:

Have found one bright spot in the recent articles on this topic. Lacking larceny in my heart had never even heard of a Michigan Roll let alone have the concept in my immediate awareness. Am toying with the idea as an x-mas present for a relative using a fin ($5) as cover with cut to size newspaper for the interior. Will part with the 5 and am sure can find discarded newsprint anywhere.

A Michigan roll is a roll of small denomination bills wrapped in a single large denomination bill. Take 20 singles and wrap them in a $100 bill - that's a Michigan roll. The idea is to flash the c-note and peel off the bills inside.

posted by madjack on Dec 11, 2013 at 07:17:05 pm     #  

Overall, you guys are alright. Seriously, I see reasoned discussion here. We may, at times, disagree. However, I appreciate your views and it does make a difference in how I perceive issues.

Thank you all for that!

posted by paulhem on Dec 11, 2013 at 07:48:26 pm     #   1 person liked this

:: runs through latest posts clicking the little + and giving at least 2 posts the Green Box of Goodness

I keep waiting on the next big Blade hit piece on how ToledoTalk is a bastion of negativity that hurts Toledo and its image, and their stalking of jr, myself, etc. etc. Or maybe to just type ToledoTalk.com into the browser one day and see it redirect to Mr. Hem's personal site, or Block Communications, or a UDRP dispute page, or something.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 11, 2013 at 08:43:09 pm     #   1 person liked this

Keith Burris is probably the reason why I stopped getting the daily Blade

He'd be a great reason if I hadn't already.

posted by justread on Dec 11, 2013 at 09:18:53 pm     #   5 people liked this

anonymouscoward posted at 08:43:09 PM on Dec 11, 2013:

:: runs through latest posts clicking the little + and giving at least 2 posts the Green Box of Goodness

I keep waiting on the next big Blade hit piece on how ToledoTalk is a bastion of negativity that hurts Toledo and its image, and their stalking of jr, myself, etc. etc. Or maybe to just type ToledoTalk.com into the browser one day and see it redirect to Mr. Hem's personal site, or Block Communications, or a UDRP dispute page, or something.

Yeah. Hem will own this one day.

posted by justread on Dec 11, 2013 at 09:20:05 pm     #   3 people liked this

You misspelled 0wn or pwn, cause h4(k3r5 5p33k 1337.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 11, 2013 at 09:24:00 pm     #  

After reading Keith's input this morning had to check the byline to see if it was Burris or Barris as in the paper bag covered unknown comic Chuck Barris purportedly with a past CIA background. He seems to have traded his arsenic tipped arrows for sponge rubber ones toute suite. A transplanted carpetbagger might want to drive across the Cherry bridge into 05 land and hear what their opinion is on negativity. Those guys will issue a straight response. Like many of us who have been natives with seniority and know all too well this can be a harsh environment we need no tutorial on the benefit of our home town. We respond directly as we do because we are the genuine article. If you require ambiguity go out to either coast. If you need a tea and crumpets transformation look elsewhere. We're busy getting the job done without lace curtains.

posted by Mariner on Dec 12, 2013 at 06:43:24 am     #   6 people liked this

The "Treece Boys" Burris minimized are a much more authentic source on getting ahead while getting along in NWO.

posted by justread on Dec 12, 2013 at 07:12:22 am     #   5 people liked this

It is not my intention to play James J. Kilpatrick to Keith Burris' Shana Alexander a la point/counterpoint but I am compelled to respond to today's column which I think does fit this thread.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris/2013/12/15/Human-assets-elevate-Toledo.html

The notion that the long standing charitable attribute of the people of Toledo should be capitalized is abhorrent. There is no surprise if one would check with United Way that the lower income neighborhoods historically have contributed proportionally a higher level than the affluent ones on an individual basis. Simple truth those in need have empathy for those in need. It has been a quiet strength of our city that we do in fact help one another without fanfare. Any attempt to amplify, tweak, expand, merchandize, or even turn the klieg lights on this generous practice will service to diminish it and cause irreparable harm. A national organization has a working principle that you need to give it away in order to keep it and fitting enough has the word anonymous in its name. Blessings thus given and received should not be enveloped into a madison ave form of promotion. Leave it alone for they can only be experienced.

posted by Mariner on Dec 15, 2013 at 05:56:08 am     #   1 person liked this

Some thoughts.
-Keith Burwell (not Burris, who quoted him) is correct that Toledoan are generous. He doesn't further describe that generosity, but if he did, he would likely include generosity of spirit.
Philanthropy shows its beautiful face in many other forms than money in the Toledo area. People here are simply likely to help one another in many ways. Those with capacity are likely to support financially. Other are likely to show up and lend a hand. After a Tornado, you are likely to see neighbors heading into damaged areas with chainsaws, not knowing where to start, but knowing there is a need. There was plenty of free snow removal going on yesterday.

-In regards to money, be careful making assumptions about the giving of others. While gratitude and generosity are close kindred cousins, empathy certainly drives inclination, but doesn't create capacity. The United Way is not prepared to report on giving by income, however, Giving USA is, and their annual reports on giving would indicate that the higher income levels do indeed contribute more per capital.

-Sometimes, "fanfare" does boost philanthropy. This is why campaigns have quiet and public phases. While quiet, personal giving is very noble, peer pressure is an influencing factor, as is the portrayal of others giving. Generous monkey see, generous monkey do.

-Be careful with the United Way. They ain't the "community chest" anymore, or there would be no need for "Community Shares." In recent years, the long practice of workplace stand-over tactics and pressured giving has morphed into a cessation of donor designated freedom of choice. The United Way would rather NOT have you designate your funds to a particular charity of choice, in favor of their own funds. This is clear in the changes to the United Way donor forms at most organizations. Bravo to the employers who still encourage donor designation. If you manage to direct your giving to a particular organization outside of the family of United Way funds, you are allowing them to take 17% right off the top before it gets to your charity of choice, who then has their own ratio of costs to program funds. The only reason to give through the United Way is to stay out of trouble with your boss, union steward, or administration, as you are screwing up the goal that they negotiated on your behalf.

-Keith Burwell is correct that in many cases we have duplicated causes/foundations/funds in our community. That's a shame, as economies of scale exist in charity/fund development. Resist the urge to start another charity when you see a need. It's like forum threads. It's likely someone has been there before. Do a search.

-Everybody who ever threw a quarter in a red kettle is a philanthropy "expert."

posted by justread on Dec 15, 2013 at 09:02:34 am     #   4 people liked this

Ok, I see the typos. You'll figure it out. :)

posted by justread on Dec 15, 2013 at 09:05:08 am     #  

The guilt-trip that is the "annual United Way drive" is such bullshit. My employer slipped up and admitted that how much we give leads to how much influence and networking we get with the local UW board which leads to us getting more business etc.

Fuck that. My fucking money is NOT going to the C-execs and board having fucking drinks with other execs at UW events.

How about the fucking Marketing and Sales Departments fucking do what they're supposed to do instead of guilt-tripping us employees to hand over part of our paychecks so the CEO can hob-nob with the other Richie Riches and Thurston Howells on the UW board?

I'll give my money to a charity that's actually a charity, one that doesn't get TV advertising. Or perhaps I'll go get some 40# sacks of dog and cat food for the pet food bank/humane society, because at least cats and dogs don't have sociopolitical agendas that discriminate on basis of sexual orientation or religion.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 15, 2013 at 10:22:34 am     #   4 people liked this

TV? Yeah, but there is a difference between St. Jude (ALSAC) long form ads and local charity PSAs.

posted by justread on Dec 15, 2013 at 10:41:19 am     #  

justread posted at 10:41:19 AM on Dec 15, 2013:

TV? Yeah, but there is a difference between St. Jude (ALSAC) long form ads and local charity PSAs.

UW, Salvation Army, etc. are not "local charities".

Anything that gets national airtime for ads (PSA my ass) is a sign they have too much money. Unless some celebs or other rich people decided to put the ad together out of their own pockets.

Public Service Announcements should be serving the public. How about pulling the UW ads and putting up PSAs that the local food banks need donations, or that the blood bank is in desperate need, or a list of local charities?

Oh hey the football game is on, time to hear all about how the United Way does so many things with the NFL (a nonprofit group itself!) during every other commercial break. Of course I could go /p/ and point out how the NFL makes its money on the backs of municipalities who pay for the stadiums and infrastructure, which raises taxes on the people and therefore helps cause people to need the services of the UW and other charities, but I won't.

posted by anonymouscoward on Dec 15, 2013 at 01:02:33 pm     #  

We are making the same point AC.
I meant local charities getting local PSAs.

posted by justread on Dec 15, 2013 at 04:49:21 pm     #  

Here is a story from CBS Nightly News:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FCxuVSkT7k

posted by sparky31134 on Mar 02, 2014 at 10:43:26 am     #