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i've been racking my brains all morning on this one

posted by upso on Jan 03, 2014 at 11:51:49 am     #  

I was trying to go through some of the larger companies in Arrowhead Park. Perhaps Therma-Tru, Eaton, or Kuhlman ????

posted by Hoops on Jan 03, 2014 at 11:52:54 am     #  

Eaton is a worldwide corp, so I don't think it would be them (since the article states "headquarters" a few times. Though, this is the Blade we're talking about...)

posted by Johio83 on Jan 03, 2014 at 12:00:39 pm     #  

Headquarters, plant, and showroom. Should be a short list

posted by bucknut on Jan 03, 2014 at 12:01:30 pm     #  

Not sure if the other side of Dussel is still considered Arrowhead but The Andersons seems like the best fit. Although there isn't a factory at their current site.

posted by idinspired on Jan 03, 2014 at 01:46:14 pm     #  

That's what I originally thought too, but the "plant" aspect threw that out the window. Before the current development team took over the Berdan renovations, I thought that would be a cool spot for their headquarters. A grocery store on the ground floor, with their corporate offices above.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 03, 2014 at 01:55:50 pm     #   1 person liked this

Can not be the Andersons, they have more than the "68" people they are mentioning in the article at their headquarters. I am guessing its Therma-Tru.

Interesting timing however since word is that Andersons is either going to build a new headquarters move into a new building or add on to the existing structure.

posted by glasscityguy on Jan 03, 2014 at 02:14:39 pm     #  

Probably a new Mexican restaurant

posted by shamrock44 on Jan 03, 2014 at 02:23:46 pm     #   2 people liked this

Tortilla factory?

posted by glasscityguy on Jan 03, 2014 at 02:27:52 pm     #  

glasscityguy, where is word of this coming from? I've always hated their HQ, it looks like it should be the base of operations for some covert ops agency.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 03, 2014 at 02:37:53 pm     #  

It's pretty strange inside too.

posted by upso on Jan 03, 2014 at 02:46:59 pm     #  

My guess is Hickory Farms based on what Bucknut posted above. I didn't read the article.

posted by HickoryG on Jan 03, 2014 at 05:05:18 pm     #  

Ok. I skimmed through the article. I stick with my first guess.

posted by HickoryG on Jan 03, 2014 at 05:09:25 pm     #  

I've been out of the loop for awhile, but considering this is going into the JEDZ/JEDD area...I know there is a payroll tax, but from what I remember there isn't any local income tax in those areas (like the rest of Monclova) correct?

If that's the case, it is a surprise more businesses don't bail the stupid local income taxes of the cities for the townships.

posted by JustaSooner on Jan 03, 2014 at 05:25:06 pm     #  

Hickory Farms moved into the Hylant Building (the old LOF building) downtown about a year and a half ago, so they're off the list of potentials.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 03, 2014 at 05:28:25 pm     #  

I had a job interview with Therma Tru some years ago. I got as far as stage three, and had almost decided to turn down any offer they might make me when the executives made that decision for me. The interviews kept getting stranger and stranger, and I was just finishing up with the director of personnel, an intense young man of average build wearing oversize glasses with heavy black plastic frames. I remember his final words being, "It's just like I told my five year old son this morning. Son, we make money and we have fun doing it."

He burst into maniacal laughter and I mumbled something to the effect of "Yes, well, that's very nice." Then I headed for the door. I walked quickly towards the front door, and he tried closing the distance. I picked up my pace, and so did he. By the time I hit the door I lifted my knees into a sprint.

I don't know exactly what it was that put me off about the entire place, but it's hinkey inside. The CEO doesn't have an office; he has a throne room, complete with fireplace. The executive staff is strange.

So, I'm hoping it isn't Therma Tru, but the company is doing very well and that bit about secrecy would be just like them.

posted by madjack on Jan 03, 2014 at 05:42:54 pm     #   2 people liked this

My guess is it's no one listed yet. And it's a company most people haven't heard of.

posted by slowsol on Jan 03, 2014 at 06:01:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

"a company most people haven't heard of."

That's probably dead on. Arrowhead has a ton of businesses, most of which aren't exactly name brands to laypeople.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 03, 2014 at 06:04:58 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 01:37:53 PM on Jan 03, 2014:

glasscityguy, where is word of this coming from? I've always hated their HQ, it looks like it should be the base of operations for some covert ops agency.

Someone that works in corporate, that I am close to. They have corporate employees in 4 different buildings in Maumee not just the main one. That building is surprisingly smaller inside than it looks. Add to that, they keep purchasing small companies/hiring and it was a matter of time before they had to do something. Also they only lease the building on Ford and Dussel from Lathrop.

What I heard 4-5 months ago was they were exploring options and it was just a matter of time.

posted by glasscityguy on Jan 03, 2014 at 06:09:06 pm     #  

madjack posted at 04:42:54 PM on Jan 03, 2014:

I had a job interview with Therma Tru some years ago. I got as far as stage three, and had almost decided to turn down any offer they might make me when the executives made that decision for me. The interviews kept getting stranger and stranger, and I was just finishing up with the director of personnel, an intense young man of average build wearing oversize glasses with heavy black plastic frames. I remember his final words being, "It's just like I told my five year old son this morning. Son, we make money and we have fun doing it."

He burst into maniacal laughter and I mumbled something to the effect of "Yes, well, that's very nice." Then I headed for the door. I walked quickly towards the front door, and he tried closing the distance. I picked up my pace, and so did he. By the time I hit the door I lifted my knees into a sprint.

I don't know exactly what it was that put me off about the entire place, but it's hinkey inside. The CEO doesn't have an office; he has a throne room, complete with fireplace. The executive staff is strange.

So, I'm hoping it isn't Therma Tru, but the company is doing very well and that bit about secrecy would be just like them.

The throne room part seems REALLY odd - isn't Therma-Tru employee owned?

posted by Foodie on Jan 03, 2014 at 06:11:25 pm     #  

I certainly hope somebody in Toledo is busting his/her ass to get them downtown. I would guess staying in Maumee would be high on their priority list though, given their history.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 03, 2014 at 06:13:49 pm     #  

The throne room part seems REALLY odd - isn't Therma-Tru employee owned?

It wasn't then, and I don't think it is now. I'm too lazy to check for myself.

Back then it was a proprietorship, and a nasty one at that.

posted by madjack on Jan 03, 2014 at 06:19:48 pm     #  

The throne room part seems REALLY odd - isn't Therma-Tru employee owned?

You may be thinking of Thermo Twin.

posted by slowsol on Jan 03, 2014 at 07:20:58 pm     #   1 person liked this

What did David Welles do that was nasty?

posted by justread on Jan 03, 2014 at 08:16:04 pm     #  

slowsol posted at 06:20:58 PM on Jan 03, 2014:

The throne room part seems REALLY odd - isn't Therma-Tru employee owned?

You may be thinking of Thermo Twin.

Yep - you're right. My bad. Thanks for the correction.

posted by Foodie on Jan 04, 2014 at 06:53:37 am     #  

Why would the City of Toledo own property in Monclova Township?

posted by Starr15 on Jan 04, 2014 at 08:45:08 pm     #  

Campbell Soup. Current headquarters located in Camden NJ - has been in Camden for years despite one of it's largest plants being located in Napoleon OH. Camden obviously has seen a decline in the last twenty five years. They would have negotiated with a Michigan location only to get better pricing and tax incentives from Ohio. Makes a lot of sense.

posted by Danneskjold on Jan 04, 2014 at 09:31:33 pm     #  

Danneskjold posted at 08:31:33 PM on Jan 04, 2014:

Campbell Soup. Current headquarters located in Camden NJ - has been in Camden for years despite one of it's largest plants being located in Napoleon OH. Camden obviously has seen a decline in the last twenty five years. They would have negotiated with a Michigan location only to get better pricing and tax incentives from Ohio. Makes a lot of sense.

whoah. that'd be a good win for the area.

posted by endcycle on Jan 04, 2014 at 09:43:36 pm     #  

A current arrowhead park resident that's land locked? I am not following some of these posts.

posted by Molsonator on Jan 04, 2014 at 09:51:37 pm     #  

Danneskjold posted at 08:31:33 PM on Jan 04, 2014:

Campbell Soup. Current headquarters located in Camden NJ - has been in Camden for years despite one of it's largest plants being located in Napoleon OH. Camden obviously has seen a decline in the last twenty five years. They would have negotiated with a Michigan location only to get better pricing and tax incentives from Ohio. Makes a lot of sense.

Not so sure about that. Campbell Soup opened a $90-million, 80,000-sq-ft world headquarters expansion in June 2010.

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/stories/2010/06/07/story2.html?page=all

http://newyork.construction.com/features/archive/2009/06_C_Campbell_Soup.asp

I hope I'm wrong though

posted by odnation on Jan 04, 2014 at 10:06:10 pm     #  

Starr15 posted at 07:45:08 PM on Jan 04, 2014:

Why would the City of Toledo own property in Monclova Township?

From the Blade story, posted at the top of this thread:

Toledo bought 1,187 acres in Monclova Township in 1987 for $14.3 million with the goal of annexing it to the city, but courts rejected the annexation attempt saying the property was not contiguous with the city. The city has been selling off the property ever since.

For the piece of property related to the current sale:

The property is part of a 580-acre joint economic development zone involving the cities of Toledo and Maumee and Monclova Township, which share a 1.5-percent income tax. The acreage is adjacent to the Dana Holding Corp.'s headquarters on Technology.

Rudolph/​Libbe Inc. of Walbridge, Ohio, requested the deal. It has a contract to erect a 100,000-square-foot facility, with an additional 150,000 square feet planned over three years.

Scott Libbe, executive vice president of Rudolph/​Libbe, said the buyer is in Arrowhead Park in Maumee now and needs room to expand.

He said the company was looking at two other sites, in southeast Michigan and Perrysburg.

The headquarters, plant, and showroom would employ about 140 people after three years, up from the current 68.

Mr. Sapara said he believes the company plans to break ground in as few as six weeks.

posted by jr on Jan 04, 2014 at 10:26:36 pm     #  

Perhaps..... McNaughton-McKay Electric, Sanyu, or Superior Industrial Supply

posted by odnation on Jan 04, 2014 at 10:50:27 pm     #  

i'm still puzzled by the secrecy

posted by upso on Jan 04, 2014 at 11:03:07 pm     #  

^ agreed. Why wouldn't they want to bring positive attention to their own company for expanding and bringing jobs to the area. That's never a "bad publicity" story.

Any thoughts to the owners being of "questionable" reputation?

posted by hockeyfan on Jan 04, 2014 at 11:36:15 pm     #  

So it's possible that the business would be currently listed on the Arrowhead Park Business Directory.

"Arrowhead has a ton of businesses, most of which aren't exactly name brands to laypeople."

Th third business listed on that directory looks interesting: AboutGolf, makers of golfing simulators.

Again, from the Jan 3, 2014 Blade story

  • erect a 100,000-square-foot facility
  • an additional 150,000 square feet planned over three years.
  • headquarters
  • plant
  • showroom
  • currently employs 68 people
  • would employ about 140 people after three years

September 2007 Blade story about AboutGolf:

Maumee's AboutGolf is doing for golf enthusiasts what flight simulators did in the training of airline pilots.

Using computer technology, military tracking radar, and video, the company's simulators can put golfers on legendary courses such as California's Pebble Beach and Scotland's St. Andrews.

AboutGolf made this year's Inc. magazine prestigious list of the 500 fastest-growing companies in the country.

According to the September [2007] issue, the business grew 935 percent over three years.

The company's explosive growth can be traced to its focus on improving technology through continuing advances in research and development, said Bill Bales, co-founder and chief executive officer.

AboutGolf has about 18 employees at its headquarters in Arrowhead Park and about a dozen at a research lab in Beijing.

LinkedIn page lists AboutGolf's size as 51-200 employees.

This 2009 story states:

MAUMEE, Ohio -- aboutGolf, the world leader in indoor golf simulator technology, has opened a new Tech Center for aboutGolf Labs, announced aboutGolf CEO Bill Bales.

The 10,000-square-foot Tech Center, which officially opened at the end of May, is designed as a dedicated research-and-development facility, and is located in Ottawa Lake, Mich. Included among the many features of the new Tech Center are an outdoor driving range, testing labs and development labs.

Although it's probable that AboutGolf employs more than 68 people, I'll still guess AboutGolf will move to the Monclova property, mainly because I didn't view the directory list much past the first few businesses.

Obviously, AboutGolf's headquarters will move from Maumee to Monclova Township.

Maybe AboutGolf's Ottawa Lake, Michigan research lab will be relocated to the new property in Monclova Township.

I have no idea where the simulators are actually assembled, but maybe that operation gets relocated to the new property too.

I suppose a simulator could use a showroom.

posted by jr on Jan 04, 2014 at 11:41:52 pm     #  

from the list, there are numerous possibilities. While I don't think it's the Humane Society, they have always talked about building on or moving to a bigger facility. I don't think they have 68 employees and I can't see them describing anything as a "plant".

At least now we can wager on what happens first. Whether anything gets done to the marina district, or we find out who bought this property. Start the TT poll.

posted by hockeyfan on Jan 05, 2014 at 01:47:27 am     #  

hockeyfan posted at 10:36:15 PM on Jan 04, 2014:

^ agreed. Why wouldn't they want to bring positive attention to their own company for expanding and bringing jobs to the area. That's never a "bad publicity" story.

Any thoughts to the owners being of "questionable" reputation?

As far as the secrecy part, it just depends how sensitive negotiations are. A couple weeks back, OKC was competing with one other city for a major distribution center. The company name was kept secret and everything was handled under a specific "Project: " name for all negotiations that would be exposed to FOIA or public records. Once the agreement was settled and a location picked (up near Tulsa instead), Macy's came forward and announced the distro center with 1500 new jobs.

We've seen it quite a bit here. GE's new global research center and the new HQ tower for OG&E announced last month all worked under random project names. Right now we have another similar project for a new "mystery tower" by a company wanting to build a new one downtown. All the planning is going on for it, but the company name is being kept hush hush.

Until things are set in stone, all agreements are done, you do not want to jeopardize the opportunity until all things are set.

posted by JustaSooner on Jan 05, 2014 at 03:10:30 am     #  

I will check the Rudolph Libbe private construction project list and report back tomorrow with ant pertinent information.

posted by Hoops on Jan 05, 2014 at 09:20:21 am     #  

Hoops posted at 08:20:21 AM on Jan 05, 2014:

I will check the Rudolph Libbe private construction project list and report back tomorrow with ant pertinent information.

I bet it has a code name.

posted by slowsol on Jan 05, 2014 at 09:57:28 am     #  

Maybe. It does require a passcode

posted by Hoops on Jan 05, 2014 at 01:12:25 pm     #  

and The Andersons are really looking for a new building?

That seems a little odd?

posted by jim30529 on Jan 06, 2014 at 06:27:33 pm     #  

The Andersons have been talking about consolidating their operations for years. We'll see if it ever happens.

posted by slowsol on Jan 06, 2014 at 07:14:21 pm     #  

^^That was in reference to Jim30529's post. The new facility out in Monclova will not be for the Andersons.

posted by slowsol on Jan 06, 2014 at 07:15:16 pm     #  

How could they consolidate when there growing so much..

posted by jim30529 on Jan 06, 2014 at 10:01:20 pm     #  

Consolidation isn't always contraction. From what has been mentioned by others in the thread, they're currently spread throughout a number of buildings, and have been wanting to bring the whole company under one roof.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 06, 2014 at 10:52:51 pm     #  

jim30529 posted at 09:01:20 PM on Jan 06, 2014:

How could they consolidate when there growing so much..

Build a big building and put all the people under one roof which cuts your costs for property taxes, building maintenance, IT infrastructure, etc. etc. etc. and make sure you have room to put additions onto your building or have overbuilt it with room to expand.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 06, 2014 at 11:02:45 pm     #  

Could it be YZ Enterprises that makes Almondina? I've seen their facility at Arrowhead and it's not that big for their production. Plus, they are pretty landlocked...

posted by Brewster on Jan 07, 2014 at 08:54:53 am     #  

Also, I hope Andersons would consider moving their HQ downtown. The Fiberglass Tower would be ideal and great to establish a strong Toledo presence.

posted by Brewster on Jan 07, 2014 at 08:56:22 am     #  

Brewster - I doubt very highly Andersons would want to move from Maumee.

posted by Molsonator on Jan 07, 2014 at 10:19:25 am     #  

And certainly not into an almost unusable space such as the fiberglass tower.

posted by slowsol on Jan 07, 2014 at 11:23:17 am     #  

The Andersons would be a huge pick-up for Toledo, but like others have said, I doubt that they will leave Maumee. They will need to upgrade their headquarters in the near future. The last time I was in there was about four years ago and it was very cramped. A few good friends work there and I know they have expanded a lot since I last visited.

posted by clt212 on Jan 07, 2014 at 11:49:10 am     #  

slowsol posted at 10:23:17 AM on Jan 07, 2014:

And certainly not into an almost unusable space such as the fiberglass tower.

No company with any sense would move into the Fiberglas Tower in its current state. Nobody is going to move in until some form of government or a developer guts it and makes the costly renovations. Of course no part of government nor the Eyde Company is in a hurry to do so and everybody is just fine with letting it sit and rot (as it has been doing for nearly 18 years now) because it's an "essential" part of the skyline.

posted by clt212 on Jan 07, 2014 at 12:03:17 pm     #   1 person liked this

The developer has been back in town recently, meeting with other developers and property managers. While the project looks and feels dead in the water, I'm not convinced that it is.

posted by upso on Jan 07, 2014 at 12:44:18 pm     #  

American Frame?

http://www.americanframe.com/showroom.aspx

posted by Molsonator on Jan 20, 2014 at 02:55:43 pm     #  

None of us had the right guess, apparently.

It's Allermuir. A company that designs and manufactures commercial furniture.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Retail/2014/02/04/Allermuir-expanding-in-Maumee-Commercial-furniture-maker-s-plans-could-create-over-70-jobs.html

posted by mom2 on Feb 04, 2014 at 02:38:31 am     #  

Where is the outrage? We have a FOREIGN company buying city-owned land!!! This is JUST LIKE the Marina District! Why couldn't this have been sold to a LOCAL company? Is there any guarantee that this FOREIGN company will use union workers?

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 05, 2014 at 09:10:16 pm     #   3 people liked this

Dappling2 posted at 08:10:16 PM on Feb 05, 2014:

Where is the outrage? We have a FOREIGN company buying city-owned land!!! This is JUST LIKE the Marina District! Why couldn't this have been sold to a LOCAL company? Is there any guarantee that this FOREIGN company will use union workers?

I'll go there--even though your post is tongue-in-cheek.

a.) There's no outrage because the parcel is not on the river.

b.) There's no outrage because anything that doesn't involve Chrysler/Jeep (manufacturing-wise) isn't important enough to be outraged about.

b.-2) Actually, with Fiat outright buying Chrysler, I've been wondering if we'll see any "Out of a job--keep buying foreign!" stickers start to be peeled off cars. Nah...

c.) There is not a deep-seeded mistrust of British investors as there apparently is of Chinese investors. Especially Chinese investors who have the stones to tell city leaders that it's their property now, not the city's, and to go pound sand (err, river muck).

posted by oldhometown on Feb 06, 2014 at 01:40:26 am     #  

Especially Chinese investors who have the stones to tell city leaders that it's their property now, not the city's, and to go pound sand (err, river muck).

link?

posted by justread on Feb 06, 2014 at 07:10:35 am     #   2 people liked this