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Republic to Skip Trash Pickup

Customers (like me) who normally get their trash picked up on Mondays lose an entire week due to the storm.

I completely understand the need to delay trash pickup, but why not share the pain a little, Republic? Seems to me a two-day delay for everyone until things get back to normal would make more sense. Besides, they could work the weekend and catch up the same week as the storm hit.

Instead, I will have overflowing bins with more than two weeks of trash and recyclables piling up (including all that holiday-related waste) because these corporate jackasses are too cheap to pay some weekend overtime.

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created by historymike on Jan 07, 2014 at 07:00:11 am     News     Comments: 40

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If you want to complain, here is their contact information:

Republic Services of Toledo
6749 Dixie Highway
Erie, MI 48133
Phone: 1-800-234-3429

They are just across the state line in case (ahem) anyone wants to make a "special delivery" of their uncollected trash to the front door of Republic:

"'Sup, bro? I think you forgot this mountain of trash. Here you go, bro, peace out."

Something like that.

posted by historymike on Jan 07, 2014 at 07:08:17 am     #   1 person liked this

Aaahhhhh, I love living in the suburbs. Our trash pickup is just delayed 2 days. Not to mention my secluded, dead-end residential street has been plowed at least a dozen times since the snow started this weekend.

posted by dell_diva on Jan 07, 2014 at 08:40:34 am     #  

Just an FYI: this decision by Republic is for all customers, not just Toledo. Anyone who has Republic and normally gets Monday pickup has to wait another week.

posted by historymike on Jan 07, 2014 at 08:56:16 am     #  

If only the garbage stayed public and not private. tsk tsk. My garbage is over flowing and I purchased the extra big can. :( Winter cleaning after the holidays. And now it won't be picked up till next week? Crazy... the old city crews would have started the next available day and worked overtime on Saturday to get back on schedule.

posted by ToledoLatina on Jan 07, 2014 at 03:27:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

If this was truly private (i.e, individuals or neighborhoods could select their own provider) we would have some recourse, ToledoLatina, as we could vote with our wallets and switch companies. Unfortunately, this is a corporate monopoly protected by municipal contracts. At least under the city-owned format we could complain to city officials with half a prayer that administrators might do something.

Republic has absolutely no incentive to change what they do unless ten thousand protesters march around the house of D. Michael Collins with pikes and torches and he then threatens to cancel the contract.

posted by historymike on Jan 07, 2014 at 03:52:19 pm     #   1 person liked this

huh, that's us, as of Jan 1, Waste Management lost the Lake Township contract and our cost went up buck-fiddy a mont. Oh well, we dont genrate much and it's in the cold garage...

posted by nana on Jan 07, 2014 at 04:08:01 pm     #  

Republic is not supposed to be on the roads when there is a level 3 emergency. A couple of extra days to have it picked up won't hurt you, especially in the winter.

posted by deere1 on Jan 07, 2014 at 06:45:05 pm     #   2 people liked this

deere1 posted at 05:45:05 PM on Jan 07, 2014:

Republic is not supposed to be on the roads when there is a level 3 emergency. A couple of extra days to have it picked up won't hurt you, especially in the winter.

Uh, I would be happy with waiting a "couple extra days," as I mentioned above. What irritates me is that - as a Monday pickup customer - I will have to wait an extra full week, meaning that I will have over trash from more than two weeks and recyclables from more than three weeks (you know, from all those holiday parties that just passed).

Everybody else gets the "couple extra days" treatment, as below:

MON 1-6 moved to MON 1-13 (7-day delay)
TUE 1-7 moved to WED 1-8 (1-day delay)
WED 1-8 moved to THU 1-9 (1-day delay)
THU 1-9 moved to FRI 1-10 (1-day delay)
FRI 1-10 moved to SAT 1-11 (1-day delay)

Since you are fine with 7-day delays, why not call Republic and tell them to skip your house and pick up my overflowing trash. Sound good?

posted by historymike on Jan 07, 2014 at 08:51:56 pm     #   3 people liked this

I am a Monday trash day too. Hubby told me our garage is now holding bags of trash. We come pretty close to filling our cans each week. Not sure now how we will "catch up". Thanks Republic!

posted by llz on Jan 08, 2014 at 05:18:12 am     #   1 person liked this

This isn't Republic that's doing it - it is the City via the County. When Toledo contracted with the County who contracted with Republican, there had to be discussion on how snow days, etc. were handled. This is how Toledo is saving money, by not having to pay overtime for trash pickup.

posted by MrsArcher on Jan 08, 2014 at 11:24:49 am     #  

i thought trash was privatized? how is the city saving money on this?

posted by upso on Jan 08, 2014 at 11:50:15 am     #  

MrsArcher posted at 10:24:49 AM on Jan 08, 2014:

This isn't Republic that's doing it - it is the City via the County. When Toledo contracted with the County who contracted with Republican, there had to be discussion on how snow days, etc. were handled. This is how Toledo is saving money, by not having to pay overtime for trash pickup.

Republic handles all aspects of trash pickup. All the city does is operate the landfill at Hoffman Road and send Republic money for the services provided. The trash collection workers are all Republic employees, the trucks were sold to Republic, and the company runs this operation on its own.

Toledo is saving money by getting the efficiencies that the corporation can better provide extract fleece achieve (i.e, changes to work rules, greater negotiating power with vendors and unions, and foisting off legacy pension costs). The city also gets long term savings by limiting its exposure to any future administrators becoming overly generous willing accomplices union shills party to future contracts that will not be signed.

posted by historymike on Jan 08, 2014 at 01:22:38 pm     #   2 people liked this

Because the city doesn't have to pay union wages and union overtime based on the old union contract; now the city pays the county who pays Republic for a contracted service.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you still pay the 'trash fee' on your water bill to cover some of the cost of Toledo's former-Cadillac trash service. You don't pay Republican directly, so its not really privatized; the city has simply contracted out for the services instead of employing the people directly. When they employed the people directly, they had a union contract that was generous and expensive.

The county was able to contract with Republic for less than the union contract because either Republic is not union or their union contract was less onerous.

posted by MrsArcher on Jan 08, 2014 at 01:32:22 pm     #  

Do most people have curb side recycling pick up as well using the larger polycarts? We switched to them (from just bins for recycling this year) and increased what can be recycled and I have maybe one trash bag in the garbage per week and the recycling is full when it is picked up every two weeks. I personally notice a lot of my neighbors continue to stuff the garbage cans full of material that can be recycled (cardboard especially)...is that part of the problem with garbage being overflowing?

posted by JustaSooner on Jan 08, 2014 at 01:36:16 pm     #   1 person liked this

We always have WAY more recycling than trash. And yes, we do have curbside recycling pick up every other week. I wish recycling was every week and trash every other week. Over the holidays, I believe we had to put some of our recycling in with our trash, as we ran out of recycling space.

posted by gamegrrl on Jan 08, 2014 at 01:38:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

Republic is a private corporation that has a monopoly to collect trash in the city of Toledo. You are splitting hairs over what "private" means. As I mentioned above, I completely agree that a city-negotiated contract with a private corporation is not really a free market scenario, since I - as a customer - do not have the freedom to switch providers.

However, getting back to the original point, Republic makes its own decisions on this. There is no way a timid Republic manager picked up the phone and called the city to check if it was OK to screw over Monday customers a full week to stay on schedule. If you want to blame anyone, I might buy the argument that the union contract with the Teamsters probably has high rates for Sunday pay, but it still comes down to Republic deciding for itself the best way to maximize its profitability.

posted by historymike on Jan 08, 2014 at 01:39:10 pm     #  

JustaSooner posted at 12:36:16 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Do most people have curb side recycling pick up as well using the larger polycarts? We switched to them (from just bins for recycling this year) and increased what can be recycled and I have maybe one trash bag in the garbage per week and the recycling is full when it is picked up every two weeks. I personally notice a lot of my neighbors continue to stuff the garbage cans full of material that can be recycled (cardboard especially)...is that part of the problem with garbage being overflowing?

I am a recycling geek, and I always cut up my cardboard into smaller pieces, JustASooner. I have the big trash and recycling bins. I flatten cans, crunch down milk jugs, and do everything I can to minimize cubic feet of waste. I have been smashing down the trash and recyclables with my sledgehammer to get the lids closed, but even with all of this I already have two bags of extra trash in my garage.

The problem for me is that we hosted a bunch of holiday parties the last 10 days or so, and the Monday pickup for me was already goofy because of the holiday schedule, plus the recycling bin was maxed out.

When they show up next week, I will have over two weeks worth of trash and three weeks worth of recycling. Oh, and as a Monday customer I get jacked every Monday holiday anyway, so I am already disinclined to want to be generous and say: "That's OK, I don't mind waiting an extra week so that everyone else can have just a one-day delay."

posted by historymike on Jan 08, 2014 at 01:45:37 pm     #   2 people liked this

MrsArcher posted at 12:32:22 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Because the city doesn't have to pay union wages and union overtime based on the old union contract; now the city pays the county who pays Republic for a contracted service.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you still pay the 'trash fee' on your water bill to cover some of the cost of Toledo's former-Cadillac trash service. You don't pay Republican directly, so its not really privatized; the city has simply contracted out for the services instead of employing the people directly. When they employed the people directly, they had a union contract that was generous and expensive.

The county was able to contract with Republic for less than the union contract because either Republic is not union or their union contract was less onerous.

Republic is unionized. And, while I am not familiar with the terms of their contract, I am sure that whatever it contains, you would consider "onerous." Probably has a lot of gold-plated provisions like holiday pay, paid sick leave, maybe a Teamster pension...you know, exorbitant things no working person deserves.

But on the bright side, now that it is semi-privatized and the extravagant city union stranglehold is broken, the trash service is not only better but cheaper....right?

posted by Sohio on Jan 08, 2014 at 01:46:53 pm     #   5 people liked this

historymike posted at 12:39:10 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Republic is a private corporation that has a monopoly to collect trash in the city of Toledo. You are splitting hairs over what "private" means. As I mentioned above, I completely agree that a city-negotiated contract with a private corporation is not really a free market scenario, since I - as a customer - do not have the freedom to switch providers.

However, getting back to the original point, Republic makes its own decisions on this. There is no way a timid Republic manager picked up the phone and called the city to check if it was OK to screw over Monday customers a full week to stay on schedule. If you want to blame anyone, I might buy the argument that the union contract with the Teamsters probably has high rates for Sunday pay, but it still comes down to Republic deciding for itself the best way to maximize its profitability.

Good points, Mike.

One thing is for sure: garbage men do not usually work Sundays. So, if they were required to do so at any time, it would be overtime, which gets paid at time and a half per federal law. Their union contract may or may not provide something above and beyond that, but whether it does or not, working an extra days means extra cost for Republic. Unless their contract with the county provides a stipend for such contingencies, they'd be incurring this extra cost at with no extra benefit to themselves.

Does that sound about right?

posted by Sohio on Jan 08, 2014 at 01:51:39 pm     #   4 people liked this

historymike posted at 12:39:10 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Republic is a private corporation that has a monopoly to collect trash in the city of Toledo. You are splitting hairs over what "private" means. As I mentioned above, I completely agree that a city-negotiated contract with a private corporation is not really a free market scenario, since I - as a customer - do not have the freedom to switch providers.

However, getting back to the original point, Republic makes its own decisions on this. There is no way a timid Republic manager picked up the phone and called the city to check if it was OK to screw over Monday customers a full week to stay on schedule. If you want to blame anyone, I might buy the argument that the union contract with the Teamsters probably has high rates for Sunday pay, but it still comes down to Republic deciding for itself the best way to maximize its profitability.

It wasn't free market when the city provided the services either; you as a customer didn't have the freedom to switch providers unless you wanted to pay to do so.

I disagree that Republic makes their own decisions on this; Republic looks at their contract with the county for what level of service is required. And they provide that level. If the city via the county wanted a higher level of service, than they could have contracted for that - but that would have cost more money. And the city didn't want to spend money they wanted to save money.

If the city contracted for weekly pickup regardless, than the city would call Republic and make it happen. But the city didn't.

So place the blame for the lack of pickup where it belongs - with the city. If enough people complain, than the city will pick up the phone and call the county and tell them they will pay more for the level of service their citizens are demanding. And the county can call Republic and make arrangements to pay the extra money that it will cost.

I guarantee you, that if the contract says Republic MUST pick up trash at every household every week, than that is what Republic would do. But if that is not in the contract, that is not the level of service the city of Toledo wanted (or demanded) and therefore Republic doesn't have to provide what the city isn't paying for.

posted by MrsArcher on Jan 08, 2014 at 02:11:41 pm     #   1 person liked this

MrsArcher posted at 01:11:41 PM on Jan 08, 2014:
historymike posted at 12:39:10 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Republic is a private corporation that has a monopoly to collect trash in the city of Toledo. You are splitting hairs over what "private" means. As I mentioned above, I completely agree that a city-negotiated contract with a private corporation is not really a free market scenario, since I - as a customer - do not have the freedom to switch providers.

However, getting back to the original point, Republic makes its own decisions on this. There is no way a timid Republic manager picked up the phone and called the city to check if it was OK to screw over Monday customers a full week to stay on schedule. If you want to blame anyone, I might buy the argument that the union contract with the Teamsters probably has high rates for Sunday pay, but it still comes down to Republic deciding for itself the best way to maximize its profitability.

It wasn't free market when the city provided the services either; you as a customer didn't have the freedom to switch providers unless you wanted to pay to do so.

I disagree that Republic makes their own decisions on this; Republic looks at their contract with the county for what level of service is required. And they provide that level. If the city via the county wanted a higher level of service, than they could have contracted for that - but that would have cost more money. And the city didn't want to spend money they wanted to save money.

If the city contracted for weekly pickup regardless, than the city would call Republic and make it happen. But the city didn't.

So place the blame for the lack of pickup where it belongs - with the city. If enough people complain, than the city will pick up the phone and call the county and tell them they will pay more for the level of service their citizens are demanding. And the county can call Republic and make arrangements to pay the extra money that it will cost.

I guarantee you, that if the contract says Republic MUST pick up trash at every household every week, than that is what Republic would do. But if that is not in the contract, that is not the level of service the city of Toledo wanted (or demanded) and therefore Republic doesn't have to provide what the city isn't paying for.

Now I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, but to address your points:

  • At no point did I claim that city-provided service was a free market scenario;
  • The city contracts out the service and provides the basic parameters (once a week on trash, every two weeks on recyclables, no smacking the residents with a 2'×4', and so on) but Republic manages the trash collection operations. This is why the Solid Waste division puts the Republic telephone number on their website, so residents pester the company that manages the actual service and not the skeleton crew of landfill employees and handful of Solid Waste officials still employed in some vitally important Solid Waste matters. <eye roll alert>
  • As far as complaining to the city: this might have some long-term, cumulative effect when the contract comes up for renewal, but you can bet that Republic will bribe wine and dine graft lobby the decision makers in the months before a new contract gets bidded out.

posted by historymike on Jan 08, 2014 at 02:38:40 pm     #   2 people liked this

So imagine my surprise to come home and find all the cans on the street untouched. Just found out that Tuesday pickup is delayed a whole week as well. So do I have to drag my full cans back up through the snow to my house? Not fun.

posted by daddyg on Jan 08, 2014 at 07:05:55 pm     #  

historymike posted at 12:39:10 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Republic is a private corporation that has a monopoly to collect trash in the city of Toledo. You are splitting hairs over what "private" means. As I mentioned above, I completely agree that a city-negotiated contract with a private corporation is not really a free market scenario, since I - as a customer - do not have the freedom to switch providers.

However, getting back to the original point, Republic makes its own decisions on this. There is no way a timid Republic manager picked up the phone and called the city to check if it was OK to screw over Monday customers a full week to stay on schedule. If you want to blame anyone, I might buy the argument that the union contract with the Teamsters probably has high rates for Sunday pay, but it still comes down to Republic deciding for itself the best way to maximize its profitability.

Why the hell would they agree to OT pay for working Sundays?

posted by bucknut on Jan 08, 2014 at 07:25:20 pm     #  

Monopolies and unions.

What could go wrong?

posted by justread on Jan 08, 2014 at 08:26:42 pm     #   4 people liked this

The news this evening stated that Republic will pick up extra bags of trash placed next to the cans for the Mon/Tues pickups that were skipped.

posted by llz on Jan 08, 2014 at 09:42:42 pm     #  

justread posted at 07:26:42 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Monopolies and unions.

What could go wrong?

You and some others are getting awfully close to getting /p/ all over the thread.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 08, 2014 at 10:49:51 pm     #   2 people liked this

Let us know when we do. Everybody needs a hobby.
Thanks.

posted by justread on Jan 09, 2014 at 06:44:54 am     #   5 people liked this

anonymouscoward posted at 09:49:51 PM on Jan 08, 2014:
justread posted at 07:26:42 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Monopolies and unions.

What could go wrong?

You and some others are getting awfully close to getting /p/ all over the thread.

What the hell do we have here, the New & Improved anonymouscoward!? Since when are you the voice of reason...?

posted by Sohio on Jan 09, 2014 at 04:22:50 pm     #  

I've just switched to white bags and started hiding them in the snow banks.

posted by hockeyfan on Jan 09, 2014 at 04:50:53 pm     #   4 people liked this

Hehehe Hockey that be dirty pool. :p

posted by Mariner on Jan 09, 2014 at 05:01:03 pm     #  

I heard that they are allowing to place extra bags next to your cans next week to make up for it?
Any truth behind this?

posted by stooks on Jan 09, 2014 at 05:22:28 pm     #  

I am on the Monday route, and my wife just called to say they picked up the recycle cans this afternoon, AFTER I dragged mine back to the house.

posted by d1weeb on Jan 09, 2014 at 05:41:34 pm     #  

stooks posted at 04:22:28 PM on Jan 09, 2014:

I heard that they are allowing to place extra bags next to your cans next week to make up for it?
Any truth behind this?

Yeah, right. And I heard that AnonymousCoward has turned over a new leaf and become the voice of reason on ToledoTalk. How much of that sounds plausible?

posted by madjack on Jan 09, 2014 at 06:06:16 pm     #  

Sohio posted at 03:22:50 PM on Jan 09, 2014:
anonymouscoward posted at 09:49:51 PM on Jan 08, 2014:
justread posted at 07:26:42 PM on Jan 08, 2014:

Monopolies and unions.

What could go wrong?

You and some others are getting awfully close to getting /p/ all over the thread.

What the hell do we have here, the New & Improved anonymouscoward!? Since when are you the voice of reason...?

You'd be quite surprised how often I'm the voice of reason.

I am however quite irritated at the seemingly permitted unabated derping about "UNIONS!" that at least one member here keeps on about. It's one thing to get a crack in about it, it's another to keep on [redacted] that [redacted]. One starts to wonder if the Teamsters dressed up as clowns or monsters or something and traumatized poor [you know who] as a kid or something.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 09, 2014 at 06:33:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

You'd be quite surprised how often I'm the voice of reason.

Yeah, I'll vouch for that. What was it last year AC, two or three times?

posted by madjack on Jan 09, 2014 at 06:55:23 pm     #  

If you want to improve service and cut the cost, here's how in two words: Barone Sanitation.

posted by madjack on Jan 09, 2014 at 07:02:11 pm     #   1 person liked this

If your pickup day is mon/tue , you CAN put xtra bags out next to the can next week (see my orig post about ten up from this one ). They did not say however, how MANY xtra they will p/u.

posted by llz on Jan 09, 2014 at 07:54:22 pm     #  

justread posted at 05:44:54 AM on Jan 09, 2014:

Let us know when we do. Everybody needs a hobby.
Thanks.

Yeah, there are some /p/iss artists around here, aren't there.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 09, 2014 at 11:01:07 pm     #  

d1weeb posted at 04:41:34 PM on Jan 09, 2014:

I am on the Monday route, and my wife just called to say they picked up the recycle cans this afternoon, AFTER I dragged mine back to the house.

They must have done that to lighten their load next Monday!

posted by nana on Jan 09, 2014 at 11:35:22 pm     #  

I also am on Monday schedule. Last evening (Thursday) I happened to be outside and saw the Recycling truck pick up on the other side of the street. I rushed my can back to the curb and got it picked up. Only about a quarter of the cans on my street were out when they came by.

posted by Trilby on Jan 10, 2014 at 07:20:47 am     #