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Record year for Ohio charter school failures

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/12/record-year-for-ohio-charter-school-failures-is-unnerving-proponents/

The charter school movement in Ohio has to contend with a rash of failing schools in Columbus. Of the 17 that failed last year — an unprecedented number, according to the Columbus Dispatch — nine only managed to remain open for a few months before failing, leaving students scrambling to find a new school.

Since 1997, 29 percent of Ohio’s charter schools have closed, the Dispatch reported. The median life of an Ohio charter school is four years.

"Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?"

created by anonymouscoward on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:25:10 am     Education     Comments: 29

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Thank God that public schools aren't allowed to fail because their failure rate would double that of charter schools.

posted by Starr15 on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:45:05 am     #   3 people liked this

Education has to be schools, parents, children. When one of the 3 don't commit to educating/learning, a breakdown occurs.

posted by hockeyfan on Jan 13, 2014 at 03:34:53 am     #   1 person liked this

Huh
Do we have the same rate of charter failure in Toledo? That article seems to be focusing on Columbus..,

posted by upso on Jan 13, 2014 at 08:46:58 am     #  

Charter schools (which are public, Starr15) close in Toledo as they do everywhere else, but I would say this year in Columbus has been sort of an exceptional case, because of what appears to be lax oversight by NCO ESC and St. Aloysius.

Also, kind of a pet peeve of mine when rewrites get linked instead of the original article:
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/01/12/charter-failure.html

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jan 13, 2014 at 09:46:25 am     #   1 person liked this

Starr15 posted at 11:45:05 PM on Jan 12, 2014:

Thank God that public schools aren't allowed to fail because their failure rate would double that of charter schools.

Yeah, thank God that public schools get money taken away from them to teach creationism in charter schools, ensuring America's failure rate in STEM areas doubles.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/hundreds-of-voucher-schools-teach-creationism-in-science-classes

http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/creationism-spreading-schools-thanks-v

http://billmoyers.com/content/interactive-map-voucher-schools-teaching-creationism/

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 13, 2014 at 10:43:45 am     #  

A combination of lax oversight and poor management doomed these schools. Was there any background check on Mr. Tucker of The Talented Tenth, or his partners? Apparently they felt things were going well enough after the first week to take the kids on a field trip to Fort Rapids, a water park. The biggest difference between charter and public when it comes to failure is that charter schools can be shut down. Pickett Elementary School was in failure mode for nearly 10 years and remained open. As for scrambling to find a new school, that's not a problem you just put your kid back in the local public school failing or not.

posted by fred on Jan 13, 2014 at 11:33:24 am     #  

fred posted at 10:33:24 AM on Jan 13, 2014:

A combination of lax oversight and poor management doomed these schools. Was there any background check on Mr. Tucker of The Talented Tenth, or his partners? Apparently they felt things were going well enough after the first week to take the kids on a field trip to Fort Rapids, a water park. The biggest difference between charter and public when it comes to failure is that charter schools can be shut down. Pickett Elementary School was in failure mode for nearly 10 years and remained open. As for scrambling to find a new school, that's not a problem you just put your kid back in the local public school failing or not.

Yeah, you put your precious little flower in a public school after Praise Jebus Charter School closes and that's not going to be reflected on the public school's report card... hmmm.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 13, 2014 at 11:40:34 am     #  

Only one of the schools cited by the Dispatch closed because of the state charter law on academic performance.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jan 13, 2014 at 11:43:58 am     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 10:40:34 AM on Jan 13, 2014:
fred posted at 10:33:24 AM on Jan 13, 2014:

A combination of lax oversight and poor management doomed these schools. Was there any background check on Mr. Tucker of The Talented Tenth, or his partners? Apparently they felt things were going well enough after the first week to take the kids on a field trip to Fort Rapids, a water park. The biggest difference between charter and public when it comes to failure is that charter schools can be shut down. Pickett Elementary School was in failure mode for nearly 10 years and remained open. As for scrambling to find a new school, that's not a problem you just put your kid back in the local public school failing or not.

Yeah, you put your precious little flower in a public school after Praise Jebus Charter School closes and that's not going to be reflected on the public school's report card... hmmm.

Yes because all the problems that come from Detroit school all roll back to Jebus right?

posted by dbw8906 on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:00:02 pm     #  

"Yeah, you put your precious little flower in a public school after Praise Jebus Charter School closes and that's not going to be reflected on the public school's report card... hmmm." I'm not familiar with the Praise Jebus school, and did not comment on the school report card. Both my precious little flowers attended parochial school so I didn't have to deal with TPS.

posted by fred on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:13:00 pm     #  

dbw8906 posted at 11:00:02 AM on Jan 13, 2014:
anonymouscoward posted at 10:40:34 AM on Jan 13, 2014:
fred posted at 10:33:24 AM on Jan 13, 2014:

A combination of lax oversight and poor management doomed these schools. Was there any background check on Mr. Tucker of The Talented Tenth, or his partners? Apparently they felt things were going well enough after the first week to take the kids on a field trip to Fort Rapids, a water park. The biggest difference between charter and public when it comes to failure is that charter schools can be shut down. Pickett Elementary School was in failure mode for nearly 10 years and remained open. As for scrambling to find a new school, that's not a problem you just put your kid back in the local public school failing or not.

Yeah, you put your precious little flower in a public school after Praise Jebus Charter School closes and that's not going to be reflected on the public school's report card... hmmm.

Yes because all the problems that come from Detroit school all roll back to Jebus right?

What's the subject of the thread?

OHIO CHARTER SCHOOL FAILURES, and apparently your reading comprehension failure too, for dragging the OMG DETROIT strawman in here.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:23:29 pm     #  

Nolan, what is the law on academic performance? I saw some data that said, in the 2011-2012 school year, 25% of Lucas County charter schools received an F on the state's school report card. In today's Blade, there's a story about the Maritime Academy getting a simulator upgrade to the tune of $100,000. But if you look at their performance, they are scoring an F as well.

Honestly, I would love for my kid to prepare for a maritime career -- but I want to know he'll be educated, too. Doesn't sound like it can happen at this place.

posted by Anniecski on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:24:54 pm     #   1 person liked this

Nolan_Rosenkrans posted at 10:43:58 AM on Jan 13, 2014:

Only one of the schools cited by the Dispatch closed because of the state charter law on academic performance.

So what you're saying is the kids got an outstanding education at charter schools where apparently the owners of the school failed How To Run A Business 101? Or perhaps what you're saying is that we should continue to throw tax dollars after charter schools but it's bad if we give grants and loans to, I dunno, solar panel companies?!?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:26:40 pm     #  

Anniecski posted at 11:24:54 AM on Jan 13, 2014:

Nolan, what is the law on academic performance? I saw some data that said, in the 2011-2012 school year, 25% of Lucas County charter schools received an F on the state's school report card. In today's Blade, there's a story about the Maritime Academy getting a simulator upgrade to the tune of $100,000. But if you look at their performance, they are scoring an F as well.

Honestly, I would love for my kid to prepare for a maritime career -- but I want to know he'll be educated, too. Doesn't sound like it can happen at this place.

Here's the relevant ORC on charter school closure:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3314.35

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:35:36 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 11:26:40 AM on Jan 13, 2014:
Nolan_Rosenkrans posted at 10:43:58 AM on Jan 13, 2014:

Only one of the schools cited by the Dispatch closed because of the state charter law on academic performance.

So what you're saying is the kids got an outstanding education at charter schools where apparently the owners of the school failed How To Run A Business 101? Or perhaps what you're saying is that we should continue to throw tax dollars after charter schools but it's bad if we give grants and loans to, I dunno, solar panel companies?!?

My comment was more in response to Fred's statement that "The biggest difference between charter and public when it comes to failure is that charter schools can be shut down. Pickett Elementary School was in failure mode for nearly 10 years and remained open."

I was just pointing out that these charter schools mentioned by the Dispatch were closed mostly for reasons besides the mandated closure law based on performance.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:36:57 pm     #  

So, if I am reading that right, a charter must fail two out of three years in order to actually, you know, fail.

posted by Anniecski on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:39:38 pm     #  

Anniecski posted at 11:39:38 AM on Jan 13, 2014:

So, if I am reading that right, a charter must fail two out of three years in order to actually, you know, fail.

For the most part, yeah.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jan 13, 2014 at 12:40:52 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 09:43:45 AM on Jan 13, 2014:
Starr15 posted at 11:45:05 PM on Jan 12, 2014:

Thank God that public schools aren't allowed to fail because their failure rate would double that of charter schools.

Yeah, thank God that public schools get money taken away from them to teach creationism in charter schools, ensuring America's failure rate in STEM areas doubles.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/hundreds-of-voucher-schools-teach-creationism-in-science-classes

http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/creationism-spreading-schools-thanks-v

http://billmoyers.com/content/interactive-map-voucher-schools-teaching-creationism/

I read the links but didn't see any connection made between teaching creationism and STEM anything. I know some particularly brilliant high schoolers who happen to be drowning in creationism since kindergarten, having been in parochial school their entire life. Are you telling me my son's A in science classes has all been faked because he has been taught creationism?

posted by MrsArcher on Jan 13, 2014 at 04:36:02 pm     #  

MrsArcher posted at 03:36:02 PM on Jan 13, 2014:
anonymouscoward posted at 09:43:45 AM on Jan 13, 2014:
Starr15 posted at 11:45:05 PM on Jan 12, 2014:

Thank God that public schools aren't allowed to fail because their failure rate would double that of charter schools.

Yeah, thank God that public schools get money taken away from them to teach creationism in charter schools, ensuring America's failure rate in STEM areas doubles.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/hundreds-of-voucher-schools-teach-creationism-in-science-classes

http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/creationism-spreading-schools-thanks-v

http://billmoyers.com/content/interactive-map-voucher-schools-teaching-creationism/

I read the links but didn't see any connection made between teaching creationism and STEM anything. I know some particularly brilliant high schoolers who happen to be drowning in creationism since kindergarten, having been in parochial school their entire life. Are you telling me my son's A in science classes has all been faked because he has been taught creationism?

No, I'm saying your "science" classes might not be worth a damn. Depends.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 13, 2014 at 07:08:30 pm     #  

I realize it's not Toledo, but this school is an example of what happens when public schools fail....nothing. This school won't close, it will get a new principal maybe and a cleaning. http://nypost.com/2014/01/12/no-space-no-books-no-leader-no-clue-at-citys-worst-elementary/

posted by fred on Jan 13, 2014 at 09:25:49 pm     #  

anonymouscoward posted at 06:08:30 PM on Jan 13, 2014:
MrsArcher posted at 03:36:02 PM on Jan 13, 2014:
anonymouscoward posted at 09:43:45 AM on Jan 13, 2014:
Starr15 posted at 11:45:05 PM on Jan 12, 2014:

Thank God that public schools aren't allowed to fail because their failure rate would double that of charter schools.

Yeah, thank God that public schools get money taken away from them to teach creationism in charter schools, ensuring America's failure rate in STEM areas doubles.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/hundreds-of-voucher-schools-teach-creationism-in-science-classes

http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/creationism-spreading-schools-thanks-v

http://billmoyers.com/content/interactive-map-voucher-schools-teaching-creationism/

I read the links but didn't see any connection made between teaching creationism and STEM anything. I know some particularly brilliant high schoolers who happen to be drowning in creationism since kindergarten, having been in parochial school their entire life. Are you telling me my son's A in science classes has all been faked because he has been taught creationism?

No, I'm saying your "science" classes might not be worth a damn. Depends.

You go from saying teaching creationism means STEM-based education will fail, to saying 'science' classes at religious-based schools might not be worth anything. From an absolute to a maybe.

Creationism has nothing to do with biology, or physics, or a lot sciences.

Show some proof that STEM-based education is failing at higher rates at school where creationism is being taught.

posted by MrsArcher on Jan 13, 2014 at 09:31:48 pm     #  

fred posted at 08:25:49 PM on Jan 13, 2014:

I realize it's not Toledo, but this school is an example of what happens when public schools fail....nothing. This school won't close, it will get a new principal maybe and a cleaning. http://nypost.com/2014/01/12/no-space-no-books-no-leader-no-clue-at-citys-worst-elementary/

fred, and the rest of you, would you please explain what the fuck you mean by "close" in terms of closing public schools?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jan 13, 2014 at 11:34:56 pm     #  

Close- to shut down, cease to exist,teachers and administration fired. Does that help?

posted by fred on Jan 14, 2014 at 05:54:50 am     #  

AC has an interesting point. Let's say you remove all the teachers and principal from a school. Would that be closing it down? Or is the school the physical building? So, if you move all teachers, staff, and students to a different building, does that count as closing down? Or do students and stuff need to be dispersed, and the building knocked down, for it to be closed?

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jan 14, 2014 at 10:02:55 am     #   1 person liked this

I think 'closing' a school is a hard thing to define. If you just fire a principal, but leave the hierchy in place that allowed that principal to lead a school in the condition of the one sited, it does no good. You have to have a wholesale restructuring of the process and people that allowed the school to get in such a bad condition.

And what struck me as unbelievable was the parents in that same article - why is no one stepping up and saying something? How long has this school been like this and only now is it being looked at?!? If parents aren't invested in their child's education, who's running the school doesn't make a difference.

posted by MrsArcher on Jan 14, 2014 at 01:12:47 pm     #  

And what struck me as unbelievable was the parents in that same article - why is no one stepping up and saying something? How long has this school been like this and only now is it being looked at?!? If parents aren't invested in their child's education, who's running the school doesn't make a difference.

It seems as though the school was more of a free babysitting service than a place for education.

That's OK, by the time the uneducated children reach a point where they are forced to drop out, it's just more human debris littering the landscape. Perfectly fine.

If you read the article, asking the principal to show up to work for $120,000+ a year was apparently too much. Screw the parents, where was any professional accountability? Admin? Union (if she is part of one)? Hello???

posted by oldhometown on Jan 14, 2014 at 03:56:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

Godwin's Law?

posted by MIJeff on Jan 18, 2014 at 10:58:23 am     #  

MIJeff posted at 09:58:23 AM on Jan 18, 2014:

Godwin's Law?

'fraid so.

posted by Sohio on Jan 19, 2014 at 10:56:56 pm     #