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On the 'banning' of posters on Toledo Talk

I see another long-standing TT member has just recently been kicked to the curb and I'm curious just how this development constitutes an improvement to the site and translates into a better experience for its members.
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created by McCaskey on Jan 29, 2014 at 02:23:25 am     Comments: 29

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Who are we talking about???

posted by upso on Jan 29, 2014 at 02:41:58 am     #  

Anonymous Coward, seems he made a pretty inflammatory comment in the firefighter thread.

posted by MIJeff on Jan 29, 2014 at 03:22:17 am     #   2 people liked this

I don't come here often but I'm curious as to why anyone believes that what the admin of the site needs to be an improvement to the site or make being here a better experience. Mc referred to "members" as though this is some little club of people who pay dues. It's an internet page set up by someone who controls it for whatever their own reasons are. I would think that at any time a "member" isn't happy or getting a better experience they could start a page of their own, right? Maybe it's just me but it's just the internet folks, start your own page and run it how you see fit.

posted by fred on Jan 29, 2014 at 06:26:59 am     #   12 people liked this

"another long-standing TT member"

Another? Refresh my memory, McCaskey. Who were the others?

posted by jr on Jan 29, 2014 at 09:02:13 am     #  

I didn't see the inflammatory comments, and I don't have any personal beef with AC.

However, this is jr's site, and he can administer it as he sees fit.

posted by mom2 on Jan 29, 2014 at 09:41:13 am     #   11 people liked this

Jr can speak for himself, but I support the excommunication of posters that tend to engage in name calling, insults and profanity.

posted by Ace_Face on Jan 29, 2014 at 10:10:47 am     #   8 people liked this

jr posted at 08:02:13 AM on Jan 29, 2014:

"another long-standing TT member"

Another? Refresh my memory, McCaskey. Who were the others?

Well wolfman aka Paul Wolfarth has said publicly on Swampbubbles (under the names wolfman & MrIndependent) that he was banned because Fred sent emails to the site admin. He claims to have proof but has never produced it.

posted by MikeyA on Jan 29, 2014 at 10:35:22 am     #  

I have never asked any site administrator to ban anyone from anything. I don't know who jr is nor does it matter, I do know Chris of Swamp Bubbles but haven't asked him to ban anyone either. Jr I believe can back me up on this if he wants to.

posted by fred on Jan 29, 2014 at 10:40:31 am     #   1 person liked this

MikeyA posted at 09:35:22 AM on Jan 29, 2014:
jr posted at 08:02:13 AM on Jan 29, 2014:

"another long-standing TT member"

Another? Refresh my memory, McCaskey. Who were the others?

Well wolfman aka Paul Wolfarth has said publicly on Swampbubbles (under the names wolfman & MrIndependent) that he was banned because Fred sent emails to the site admin. He claims to have proof but has never produced it.

If memory serves, Mr. Wolfarth was waging a rather public war here with Brian Wilson and Fred. To the point that Wilson involved his attorney to take action against Mr. Wolfarth. I believe it was also Mr. Wolfarth who provided a link to Fred's personal assets as listed in divorce documents as part of his personal pissing contest with Wilson.

While I don't pretend to speak for jr, that whole mess may well have had something to do with his being banned.

posted by Foodie on Jan 29, 2014 at 11:20:43 am     #  

I am writing this to remind myself, as well. Whatever jr decides to do with this board is the rule. He can change rules whenever he wants to do so without notice.

posted by paulhem on Jan 29, 2014 at 11:27:58 am     #   3 people liked this

There is a time and place for everything. This is not my message board but I did start the Toledo Fire thread. Injured firefighters was the topic and I know threads do go off topic but this was not the thread to go off on some socioeconomic injustice rant. Like I said, a time and place for everything. AC, IMHO picked the wrong time and place.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Jan 29, 2014 at 12:06:40 pm     #   10 people liked this

jr posted at 08:02:13 AM on Jan 29, 2014:

"another long-standing TT member"

Another? Refresh my memory, McCaskey. Who were the others?

Well, what about LimeDrops?

posted by madjack on Jan 29, 2014 at 01:22:39 pm     #   1 person liked this

MikeyA posted at 09:35:22 AM on Jan 29, 2014:
jr posted at 08:02:13 AM on Jan 29, 2014:

"another long-standing TT member"

Another? Refresh my memory, McCaskey. Who were the others?

Well wolfman aka Paul Wolfarth has said publicly on Swampbubbles (under the names wolfman & MrIndependent) that he was banned because Fred sent emails to the site admin. He claims to have proof but has never produced it.

That's demented.

Wolfman got himself deactivated at Toledo Talk because he had no interest in obeying the site rules. Despite my repeated warnings, explanations, and patience, he continued to do whatever he wanted.

As stated in the posting guidelines, ToledoTalk.com is NOT a free speech zone. It's the same with any site that has a terms of service, including major social media sites.

I don't want to hurt his feelings nor disrupt his alternative reality, but nobody e-mailed me about user Wolfman. Zero messages. Nothing.

One morning a few years ago, Wolfman made multiple site violations in quick order. I had a mess to clean up. That was the final straw. Simple. I'm sorry that does not fit any whackadoo, local media conspiracy theory but that's the real reality.

It's not the first time that I've been accused of being in cahoots with local media outlets, regarding site moderation.

I will admit that the conspiracy theories are more entertaining than the boring truth.

In the past, I've also been accused of stealing and shutting down another message board that I did not know existed. I've been accused of organizing a public meetup in order to expose anonymous posters. I've been accused of editing other users' postings to change their opinions.

I enjoy creativity of all kinds, including nutjob accusations.


As to anonymouscoward, his account deactivation was going to be temporary.

I had the same thought as what TrilbyGuy mentioned above.

Time and place and a common sense filter.

In the Toledo firefighter thread, AC posted

FUCK THOSE POORS, THEIR SHIT SHOULD JUST BE LEFT TO BURN!

Obviously, I've permitted that type of rhetoric here for many years, but in my opinion, that was the wrong time and the wrong thread to make an off-topic response to another user's comment, which did not deserve the type of response that AC gave.

A user should have the sense to hold off and save the viewpoint for another time or another thread. Several people flagged that comment as inflammatory, so I was not the only one to view it as unacceptable. I considered his comment to be inflammatory and derailing, which violates the posting guidelines.


It seems that the users who cause the most trouble here are mostly interested in posting about national political issues, which can be discussed at zillions of other websites.

If Toledo Talk is more focused on "softer" topics, such as food, events, and home improvements, then why do the hard core political brawlers complain about having their accounts deactivated when they violate site rules?

Humans are the most fascinating species on this planet to observe.

posted by jr on Jan 29, 2014 at 02:50:10 pm     #   16 people liked this

What is so difficult? Either your argument has merit and others think about or reject. It is not the end of the world. It is ok if other people do not think you are "right." No need to curse or personally attack or insult people. No value in it. We should never take ourselves so seriously.

posted by ilovetoledo on Jan 29, 2014 at 04:36:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

From JR: In the past, I've also been accused of stealing and shutting down another message board...

Just because I like looking at train wrecks or something, I pointed my browser at SwampBubbles where AC has been railing about the unfairness of it all, and I saw this thread right on top:

What is the problem with this site

Every time I go to post a reply, I get "unable to serve this request, connection timed out". Anyone else, or are you just unable to reply as well?

Does anyone want to give me the odds on new conspiracy theories and demented accusations made against JR by Friday of this week? How about the same, including other users of TT?

You gotta admit that the timing here is just about everything anyone could wish for.

posted by madjack on Jan 29, 2014 at 04:37:53 pm     #  

To be fair to the administrators, it must be said that if they let the board degenerate into a circus, they will lose more balanced posters, and that would be a shame.

posted by ilovetoledo on Jan 29, 2014 at 04:45:28 pm     #   4 people liked this

AC obviously is bi polar. That said, I thought he was doing a great job of curbing his aggressive/abuse posts....actually contributing intelligent, readable thoughts.

What he posted was acidic sarcasm. Bad? Yes. Reason for banishment? I don't know what his probationary period or restrictions were.

posted by Molsonator on Jan 29, 2014 at 05:05:47 pm     #   3 people liked this

Molsonator posted at 04:05:47 PM on Jan 29, 2014:

AC obviously is bi polar. That said, I thought he was doing a great job of curbing his aggressive/abuse posts....actually contributing intelligent, readable thoughts.

What he posted was acidic sarcasm. Bad? Yes. Reason for banishment? I don't know what his probationary period or restrictions were.

I leave a diagnosis of AC to the experts and the question of banning to the forum owner. Other than to say that a temporary deactivation is probably the most convenient way for a moderator to deal with a poster going crazy rogue on a sensitive thread at a sensitive time.

What he posted, for the record, was more than acidic sarcasm. It was a multi-post hijack of the firefighter thread with a continuation of his delusion soap box derision of real and percieved "rich" people engaging in class warfare against the innocent poor. It seemed like a carryover from the CAC thread.
An innocent poster with family in the fire department posted something in support of life over property, and he ran with it, trying to twist it into something that it was not, as he has recently done with me fairly often. Lately, his preconceptions seem to cause a reaction to statements that are opportunistic at best, and random at worst.
I rarely report posts, preferring to either engage in the dialog or ignore it. But I reported his post on the firefighter thread, and I read the even worse post that was deleted. It was a totally uncalled for hijack. I would have reported it if _anyone _had done it. It happened to be AC.

Whether he should be banned is not within the scope of my role as a participant. After months of being called all sorts of things by him, I have recently called him "cupcake." If that is an offense to the forum operator, I will stop. The reporting of his post was solely related to the content and the place, and not related to my interaction with him.

posted by justread on Jan 29, 2014 at 06:55:21 pm     #   6 people liked this

...and yet - justread, you find the need to argue with him rather than simply ignore him and move on. You have enabled him to a degree.

posted by Molsonator on Jan 29, 2014 at 07:06:35 pm     #   2 people liked this

Ok, I am responsible for AC's behavior.
Totally fair suggestion.

Please accept my apology.

posted by justread on Jan 29, 2014 at 07:42:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

"Another? Refresh my memory, McCaskey. Who were the others?"---I had Guestzero in mind when I wrote that. Perhaps that has changed?

posted by McCaskey on Jan 29, 2014 at 07:48:49 pm     #  

Ideed. That changed.

posted by justread on Jan 29, 2014 at 07:53:17 pm     #  

Or indeed, as the case may bi. :)

posted by justread on Jan 29, 2014 at 07:53:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

"I don't come here often but I'm curious as to why anyone believes that what the admin of the site needs to be an improvement to the site or make being here a better experience. Mc referred to "members" as though this is some little club of people who pay dues. It's an internet page set up by someone who controls it for whatever their own reasons are. I would think that at any time a "member" isn't happy or getting a better experience they could start a page of their own, right? Maybe it's just me but it's just the internet folks, start your own page and run it how you see fit."----

Tad over the top, aren't we? We're not making a Western here, Fredo. I was making a pretty benign observation that I welcome anybody to comment on. But save your strident tone with your Wolfman obsessions.

posted by McCaskey on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:03:47 pm     #   2 people liked this

There's a difference between being a strident, passionate advocate for a point of view and being an uncivil, verbally abusive, personally insulting prick.

I guess that line is blurred in some...

posted by oldhometown on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:14:19 pm     #   2 people liked this

McCaskey posted at 06:48:49 PM on Jan 29, 2014:

"Another? Refresh my memory, McCaskey. Who were the others?"---I had Guestzero in mind when I wrote that. Perhaps that has changed?

His account has never been deactivated. He left and returned on his own. Last summer, however, his account was restricted to posting only in the politics forum, and I think that he left again. I don't know. Ask him.

When the political brawlers lose their bullying ways, they flee. As a compromise, the politics forum exists here for them. But it's apparent that they are not interested in discussing politics. They are interested only in derailing non-political threads, and that's not happening here.

posted by jr on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:54:04 pm     #   8 people liked this

Or they get run off, like McCaskey ran off Darkseid some years back.

I have good reason to believe that GZ is under the impression his account was deactivated permanently some months back.

posted by madjack on Jan 30, 2014 at 12:30:32 pm     #  

I dunno 'bout that mj - he logged in last month........

posted by Foodie on Jan 30, 2014 at 01:14:03 pm     #  

madjack posted at 11:30:32 AM on Jan 30, 2014:

Or they get run off, like McCaskey ran off Darkseid some years back.

I have good reason to believe that GZ is under the impression his account was deactivated permanently some months back.

I plead guilty to trying, at least, to wear that bastard down. There was no bigger thread-killer than he, with the most vile language used. AC was a Class AA-level shit-disturber compared to him. And I recall no time spent in the penalty-box, or account de-activated.

I do miss him for comic-relief purposes.

posted by McCaskey on Jan 30, 2014 at 01:30:28 pm     #