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Chrysler accepting applications 3/5/14

I heard they were opening for Assembly line positions at 10am this morning. Anyone happen to have a requisition number or can verify that I should be in the Production Occupation category?

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It's up, Production Warehouse- Productions Occupations

posted by JKersteJr on Mar 05, 2014 at 11:15:59 am     #  

And now the server has overloaded and crashed, not 10 minutes into the application....

posted by JKersteJr on Mar 05, 2014 at 11:52:43 am     #  

Some young people I know got hired last year during the time they were hiring a lot of people, thought it would be easy money. Two of them have already quit, not able to hack it

posted by Hoops on Mar 05, 2014 at 01:49:39 pm     #  

Hoops posted at 12:49:39 PM on Mar 05, 2014:

Some young people I know got hired last year during the time they were hiring a lot of people, thought it would be easy money. Two of them have already quit, not able to hack it

Imagine that...work is work... :)

posted by oldhometown on Mar 05, 2014 at 09:11:33 pm     #  

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles uses an employment agency out of Detroit for some of its Jeep hiring. This has added a really less than stellar element to the workforce that some of the local hires have found to be difficult. My nephew, who was hired this past summer, describes the group that he works with as "essentially convicts."

posted by Starr15 on Mar 05, 2014 at 11:26:29 pm     #  

What was your nephew in prison for?

posted by justread on Mar 06, 2014 at 06:40:16 am     #   6 people liked this

justread posted at 05:40:16 AM on Mar 06, 2014:

What was your nephew in prison for?

For being related to Starr15.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Mar 06, 2014 at 09:40:28 am     #   5 people liked this

I'm just impressed that justread and hunkytownsausage can read something that wasn't written in crayon.

posted by Starr15 on Mar 06, 2014 at 11:39:58 pm     #  

Starr15 posted at 10:39:58 PM on Mar 06, 2014:

I'm just impressed that justread and hunkytownsausage can read something that wasn't written in crayon.

joke's on you - their default browser font was set to Comic Sans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Sans_MS

posted by endcycle on Mar 07, 2014 at 10:34:18 am     #   3 people liked this

I don't know what this thread is about.

posted by jr on Mar 07, 2014 at 01:04:06 pm     #   6 people liked this

A reason many detroit people have been hired is a detroit uaw rep possibly has been selling job slots to people for $ 1,000 a piece. The rumor is he has pocketed $400,000 from it.

posted by EconCat88 on Mar 07, 2014 at 01:32:57 pm     #  

Got a source for that assertion?

posted by endcycle on Mar 07, 2014 at 04:44:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

EconCat88 posted at 12:32:57 PM on Mar 07, 2014:

A reason many detroit people have been hired is a detroit uaw rep possibly has been selling job slots to people for $ 1,000 a piece. The rumor is he has pocketed $400,000 from it.

The story as presented is difficult to believe. It would take just one or two disgruntled people unwilling to pay such a bribe to get such a union rep arrested and charged with extortion.

Do some unions have problems with favoritism or nepotism? Of course. Do some unions have bloated bureaucracies? Undoubtedly. Do union leaders engage in horsetrading with employers on grievances, hiring decisions, or work conditions? All the time.

I have worked in union environments many times, including in the aforementioned Detroit. Even in mob-infested New Jersey a scam like the one described would be difficult to pull off, especially by one person. If there was a shakedown involving that kind of money, you can bet that many greedy hands would want a piece of that pie.

Besides, trying to extort $1000 from unemployed schleps looking for a job is an awfully bleak scenario. Extortionists, by definition, like to shakedown people who actually have money, as opposed to down-on-their-luck job seekers.

posted by historymike on Mar 07, 2014 at 06:46:42 pm     #   6 people liked this

^This.

400 times?

Umkay. Sure.

posted by justread on Mar 07, 2014 at 07:21:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

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UAW Staff Representative Nicky Santoro says: "Youse want one a dose plum gigs down at da Jeep plant in T-Town? Gonna cost ya a lot more diamonds dan dis, ya momo. Ahm runnin' a bidness heeya."

What are you going to do, muscle Nicky? Nicky IS the muscle.

posted by Sohio on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:04:00 am     #  

Excuse me: "stones."

posted by Sohio on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:07:02 am     #  

Not JUST a Detroit union rep, but none other than UAW Chrysler unit head General Holiefield.
They've done a pretty good job of keeping the story quiet, but around Jeep it's fairly well known.
This is the same guy who "accidently" shot his wife last December.
Surprise, the union announced that he will be retiring in June.

posted by JeepMaker on Mar 08, 2014 at 10:41:52 am     #  

This just doesn't make sense. The unions are protecting the workers from 19th century robber barons that would otherwise enslaved them and make them work for free.

posted by justread on Mar 08, 2014 at 11:10:36 am     #  

Hey historymike Its difficult because you didnt want to believe It. how about next time saving your well worded posts for a story you actually the have information? Have justread and sohio remove your foot from your mouth then proceed to assist him removing their own. This type of paying for uaw union jobs isnt a new game and if you had the experience and knowledge about unions you already would have known. Somewhat similar was people selling their lottery spot. People paid up to 10,000 for those because the annual bonus was nearly that amount.

The reason dumbass holifield was caught im told is he actually deposited the 400,000 into a bank account.

Rosenkrans heres another layup story and hopefully you follow up and further investigate this because toledo area job seekers need to know this happened.

posted by EconCat88 on Mar 08, 2014 at 11:39:19 am     #  

Adding to the irony of this scam is several of the detroit people already have been fired or quit because of absenteeism and other work related misconduct.

posted by EconCat88 on Mar 08, 2014 at 11:43:50 am     #  

I've known that the UAW, like most unions, was a crooked racket for years. No surprise.
Crooked. Thug. Racket.

The question is, 400 times?

posted by justread on Mar 08, 2014 at 12:26:42 pm     #  

Hey it's not unheard of to oversell something, like airplane seats, or just outright lie as in the case of fake sporting or concert tickets. It's already illegal why not sell more than is really available.

posted by MIJeff on Mar 08, 2014 at 01:14:30 pm     #  

EconCat88 posted at 10:39:19 AM on Mar 08, 2014:

Hey historymike Its difficult because you didnt want to believe It. how about next time saving your well worded posts for a story you actually the have information? Have justread and sohio remove your foot from your mouth then proceed to assist him removing their own. This type of paying for uaw union jobs isnt a new game and if you had the experience and knowledge about unions you already would have known. Somewhat similar was people selling their lottery spot. People paid up to 10,000 for those because the annual bonus was nearly that amount.

The reason dumbass holifield was caught im told is he actually deposited the 400,000 into a bank account.

Rosenkrans heres another layup story and hopefully you follow up and further investigate this because toledo area job seekers need to know this happened.

Where to begin.... <facepalm>

  • I repeat: the story as presented is difficult to accept at face value. You are saying that one person has virtually unlimited power to hire and extort hundreds of thousands of dollars with no one else getting a piece of the pie, and no disgruntled job seekers who refuse to pay the extortion have decided that authorities need to be aware of the scam. If you were to have presented this as a conspiracy involving the numerous people who are involved in hiring and/or discussed an total amount that would not attract fellow crooks like vultures to a carcass, the story would be believable.
  • Regarding my "qualifications" to offer my opinion on a message board (setting aside the fact that we have no basis to gauge your own qualifications): as a journalist I have written several investigative pieces over the years about the very Jeep facility you reference here. Some of my Jeep work even won local journalism awards, for the record (not that I am bragging, but you implied that I have no knowledge of how things work at Jeep). The pieces I wrote were quite far from being pro-union fluff pieces, let me assure you.
  • Again: I have worked in numerous union environments over the years. The idea that one person has unchecked authority with no oversight (or collusion by other union officials) is very difficult to accept as you have presented. Are we missing something here?
  • If you have inside information that crimes have committed, why are you not reporting the criminal activity? Silence implies approval, or at least fear, and your video exposÚs do not suggest that you are a person who is frightened easily.
  • Not sure why you are dragging justread and Sohio into this: I do not know them outside of this board, and there is no conspiracy to attack you. Just three different people with three different views: chill out, bro.
  • You have taken the step of identifying a specific individual in your comments. I am not a lawyer, but if the allegations are not true, your comments might represent an actionable activity. If I were you, I would avoid naming names until (or unless) an actual court case emerges.

posted by historymike on Mar 08, 2014 at 02:00:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

Did Joe the Plumber pay his $1000 for his job? How about Star15's nephew? Seems lots of folks aren't having a hard time getting hired there.

posted by SensorG on Mar 08, 2014 at 02:38:53 pm     #   2 people liked this

Maybe union dues have increased markedly and this is all a big misunderstanding.

After all, workers have been bribing their way into to UAW jobs for decades, legally.

posted by justread on Mar 08, 2014 at 02:48:41 pm     #  

SensorG posted at 01:38:53 PM on Mar 08, 2014:

Did Joe the Plumber pay his $1000 for his job? How about Star15's nephew? Seems lots of folks aren't having a hard time getting hired there.

Those two are union thugs. No doubt about it.

posted by Sohio on Mar 08, 2014 at 07:31:39 pm     #   5 people liked this

And convicts. Probably making shivs during lunch.

posted by justread on Mar 08, 2014 at 08:07:34 pm     #   4 people liked this

EconCat88 posted at 11:43:50 AM on Mar 08, 2014:

Adding to the irony of this scam is several of the detroit people already have been fired or quit because of absenteeism and other work related misconduct.

Well then, so much for the tired old "unions protect bad workers!" parable, huh?

posted by Sohio on Mar 09, 2014 at 12:27:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

Imagine how bad they must have been.

posted by justread on Mar 09, 2014 at 12:30:44 pm     #   2 people liked this

justread posted at 12:30:44 PM on Mar 09, 2014:

Imagine how bad they must have been.

Perhaps not as bad as you think.

I knew a guy who got fired from my shop for bringing an empty box that had once been a case of Old Dan Tucker whiskey in to work. He had changed jobs, and used the box to move stuff from one locker to the other. When he was done, he threw the box in a recycling dumpster (all of this on security cameras, mind you). A boss saw it and turned him in for violating the zero-tolerance alcohol-on-the-premises policy. The union took the case all the way through arbitration, arguing that it was not alcohol, but rather a just cardboard box, but an arbitrator upheld the firing, saying he presented the possibility that alcohol was consumed on the job. This guy had 14 years at the shop, with about seven to retirement. So, while you hear a lot about turds getting their asses saved by unions; you hear a lot less about the decent ones that get railroaded who the union tries to help, but can't, thanks to NLRB rulings. Just sayin'. It goes both ways.

posted by Sohio on Mar 09, 2014 at 12:41:15 pm     #  

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/03/05/philadelphia-judge-issues-ruling-that-could-give-anonymous-online-commenters-second-thoughts/

Because of the headline on this article you must read all the comments at the end of it. No second thoughts there.

posted by SherryET on Mar 09, 2014 at 01:26:20 pm     #  

Or even "frist" thoughts. Or thought in general.

posted by Sohio on Mar 09, 2014 at 01:41:35 pm     #  

*first

posted by Sohio on Mar 09, 2014 at 01:41:58 pm     #  

I hate it when that happens. You have this great slam going and then you look at your post and you have a typo. Doh.

Best comments under that article:

"Sticks and stones wielded by union members may break my bones but names can never hurt me."

"Q - How do you damage the reputation of a union boss?

A - Prove that they are honest."

posted by justread on Mar 09, 2014 at 02:33:38 pm     #  

You have this great slam going and then you look at your post and you have a typo.

Yeah...so much for the quality of MY thought process, I guess...that's what an IQ of 64 gets ya...

Best comments under that article:

Really? My favorite was the one posted by some guy called Telcontar46. It was a more reasoned, intelligent analysis of the topic. But hey, I can't really begrudge the union haters' their opportunity to express their disdain. Even if the article had nothing to do with unions, apart from it being a union officer who was accused of being a pedophile. Got to strike when the iron is hot, I suppose.

posted by Sohio on Mar 09, 2014 at 03:38:25 pm     #  

I'll go read it again. I didn't think that he was accused of being a pedophile. I thought that he was called a "pedo."

I think that accusations and name calling are similar, yet different offenses.

The comments didn't address whether he was a pedophile, but they did make a pretty strong case for him being corrupt. The article didn't suggest what actual damages were incurred by a random, anonymous person on the internet lobbing "pedo" at him. Did he lose his daycare license over it?

posted by justread on Mar 09, 2014 at 04:01:51 pm     #  

Anybody can sue anybody....collecting is another issue tho. I have been told this by more than one source so I dont mind speculating It may be true. Historymike with another marathon post with the usual self-service items. Replying to your earlier post, these broke schleps you snarkly mention not possibly being milked paying a 1,000 job fee/bribe to me sounds cheap compared to immigrants risking their lives, paying very high fees, even going into debt for years to be Illegally transported across borders. Time will tell whether or not this scam is fully exposed.

posted by EconCat88 on Mar 09, 2014 at 04:07:44 pm     #  

Sohio I am not familar with uaw procedures but I have worked at union shops which the union couldnt do anything about management's decisions about firing employees before they completed the probationary time period.

posted by EconCat88 on Mar 09, 2014 at 04:10:00 pm     #  

Sherry took the time to read all the comments and am still going to call the Michelin Man a big fat over-weight stack of used painted tires. So there.

posted by Mariner on Mar 09, 2014 at 04:10:41 pm     #  

Plugging tor back in.

posted by Mariner on Mar 09, 2014 at 04:12:31 pm     #  

Hey Sohio, maybe the anonymous name caller meant to call him "Pedro" but he had a typo and it all went horribly worng.

posted by justread on Mar 09, 2014 at 04:14:18 pm     #  

Imagine you are going to ask someone about their pedometer, because you are starting a walking program, and you shorten it to "pedo" and accidentally type "you're" instead of "your."

There is a judge somewhere that will hear that case.

posted by justread on Mar 09, 2014 at 04:29:49 pm     #  

Email me sources and I'll gladly give them a call.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Mar 09, 2014 at 07:27:23 pm     #  

EconCat88 posted at 04:07:44 PM on Mar 09, 2014:

Anybody can sue anybody....collecting is another issue tho. I have been told this by more than one source so I dont mind speculating It may be true. Historymike with another marathon post with the usual self-service items. Replying to your earlier post, these broke schleps you snarkly mention not possibly being milked paying a 1,000 job fee/bribe to me sounds cheap compared to immigrants risking their lives, paying very high fees, even going into debt for years to be Illegally transported across borders. Time will tell whether or not this scam is fully exposed.

LOL. Since you dislike words, EconCat88, I will summarize in a less wordy way:

EconCat88: Blah blah you are not qualified to talk about this.

HM: (discusses qualifications)

EconCat88: Blah blah you are self-serving and write too much.

Conclusion: EconCat88 is not interested in a discussion, but just wants to troll. So troll on, brother, troll on.

posted by historymike on Mar 09, 2014 at 07:28:51 pm     #  

justread posted at 04:14:18 PM on Mar 09, 2014:

Hey Sohio, maybe the anonymous name caller meant to call him "Pedro" but he had a typo and it all went horribly worng.

He probabl dud.

posted by Sohio on Mar 09, 2014 at 07:49:23 pm     #  

Nolan_Rosenkrans posted at 07:27:23 PM on Mar 09, 2014:

Email me sources and I'll gladly give them a call.

I think that the Blade should run an ad on the front page asking for information and sources.

Wouldn't be the first time.

posted by justread on Mar 09, 2014 at 08:17:27 pm     #  

EconCat88 posted at 04:10:00 PM on Mar 09, 2014:

Sohio I am not familar with uaw procedures but I have worked at union shops which the union couldnt do anything about management's decisions about firing employees before they completed the probationary time period.

That has always been my experience, in every union shop I've ever worked in. In my current place, the union has absolutely NO input in the hiring process. When you hire in, you're probationary for six months--you pay no union dues, and have no union rights, for that period, with the exception of being given a seniority number (which means little, until your probation is over.) When a probationary employee is let go, the union will almost always file a grievance, but it's largely symbolic, since they don't really have much power where probationary employees are concerned.

If you don't mind me saying so, I have to join historymike in questioning your assertions, based on exactly what you've written here. Again, my experience, as it sounds like yours has been, is that unions have little or no power in terms of hiring or firing probationary employees. So, I have a hard time seeing where a union official would have such sway over Chrysler's hiring decisions. Unless he's in cahoots with the company; in which case, going back to what Mike pointed out, that would add yet another long roster of people (this time, non-union Chrysler corporate insiders?) that would have some likelihood of blowing the lid off the whole thing.

I am not, and have never been, in the UAW, so maybe they do things differently as far as the hiring process goes. Like you, I am not real familiar with UAW workings. But then again, if, as you say, you are "not familar with UAW procedures", then I'm kind of wondering how you know so much about UAW corruption? You seemed confident in your knowledge of UAW goings-on, vis-a-vis historymike's, a few posts ago...?

Just asking.

posted by Sohio on Mar 09, 2014 at 09:40:17 pm     #   4 people liked this

justread posted at 11:10:36 AM on Mar 08, 2014:

This just doesn't make sense. The unions are protecting the workers from 19th century robber barons that would otherwise enslaved them and make them work for free.

Hyperbole, justread. I get it.

Seriously, though....I don't think the robber barons really expected anyone to work for free. They might have expected you to use a tenth-floor window with no stairs as a fire escape...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_shirtwaist

...but work for free? That just wouldn't be right.

posted by Sohio on Mar 09, 2014 at 09:45:08 pm     #  

That's right. You need something to spend at the company store.

posted by justread on Mar 09, 2014 at 11:35:05 pm     #  

The figure I've heard was that Holiefield got 300 people into Jeep, supposedly at $1k a piece. We'll likely never know for sure.....unless the IRS finds out about some undeclared income.

As far as unions having no input into the hiring process, it may be different now, but I know for a fact that in the past they did.
Back in the 70's, my wife's uncle, (she was my fiancÚ back then) was a chief steward. He was allowed to submit a few names of applicants that they recommended per year. That's how I got hired.

posted by JeepMaker on Mar 10, 2014 at 09:33:42 am     #  

JeepMaker posted at 09:33:42 AM on Mar 10, 2014:

The figure I've heard was that Holiefield got 300 people into Jeep, supposedly at $1k a piece. We'll likely never know for sure.....unless the IRS finds out about some undeclared income.

As far as unions having no input into the hiring process, it may be different now, but I know for a fact that in the past they did.
Back in the 70's, my wife's uncle, (she was my fiancÚ back then) was a chief steward. He was allowed to submit a few names of applicants that they recommended per year. That's how I got hired.

That's how I got my job, too. But, the union had nothing to do with it. My place lets everyone--hourly and salary--refer people for hiring in that fashion. I guess we may be talking about the difference between the union actively influencing hiring; and employees who happen to be union members referring candidates through company-established channels?

Also, there's craft unions, where skilled trades are hired job by job right out of the union hall. Obviously, the union has a heavier role in that type of hiring. But I think that's a different beast.

posted by Sohio on Mar 10, 2014 at 10:47:23 am     #