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Larry Sykes

I've always found people's needs for vanity plates puzzling, but to each their own. Very interesting choice for an elected official however.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/05/06/Sykes-alleges-racial-profiling-by-police.html

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Its one of those "in your face" kind of things I think. Don't see any other reason for vanity place in the first place, and Ohio's premium for vanity plates is pretty high.

posted by MIJeff on May 06, 2014 at 03:57:52 pm     #  

It's an odd vanity plate, but getting pulled over for a b.s. reason is also maddening, racial profiling or not.

Also, I think the hardline stance from a former white police officer who happens to be mayor now that racial profiling in the police doesn't exist played a role in this.

posted by clt212 on May 06, 2014 at 06:27:45 pm     #  

If it was a black 4 door dual rear wheel truck, it would all make sense. :)
Although the cowboy hat Larry used to wear seems kinda normal now.

On topic? Racial profiling exists. This may have been a regular bad stop however, as opposed to a driving while black bad stop. Random stops for no reason are wrong in every color.

posted by justread on May 06, 2014 at 08:16:40 pm     #   2 people liked this

what an idiot.

just another sign that this nitwit is in over his head with life.

posted by BrianInFlorida on May 06, 2014 at 10:15:38 pm     #   5 people liked this

honestly if i saw that plate, i wouldn't know how to read it. doubtful the copy knew how to read it either.

posted by upso on May 06, 2014 at 11:44:03 pm     #   3 people liked this

Ah, another "professional victim".

posted by JeepMaker on May 07, 2014 at 07:18:17 am     #   4 people liked this

Larry Sykes is a basic pain in the ass. When he isn't trying to bully someone fully half his size, he's busy being a victim of racial discrimination. Too bad he didn't somehow manage to get himself tazed.

posted by madjack on May 07, 2014 at 07:22:43 am     #   9 people liked this

So the officer couldn't read the license plate. Was there something over the plate such as a colored license plate cover that I see on so many vehicles before the photo was taken?

If the answer to that is yes, then I'd say the officer did the right thing. That said, why isn't everyone who sports license plate camouflage pulled over? Why aren't people with blacked out front windows pulled over? I thought those were illegal in OH. While I'm on a rant, whatever happened to the 50 foot noise emanating from a vehicle ordinance?

I've seen all of the above occur numerous times with a cop next to or behind such a vehicle and they do nothing.

While I agree Larry Sykes is a PITA idiot, he may have a point this time.

posted by Foodie on May 07, 2014 at 08:28:18 am     #   3 people liked this

I'm told by a co-worker (wife of a TPD officer) that there was indeed a yellowed, plastic cover over Sykes' plate making it unreadable. If true, wonder if that will ever "officially" come out?

posted by Foodie on May 08, 2014 at 09:21:17 am     #  

Larry should be aware that all his court records are still online and if he wants to claim DWB he might want to take his foot off the gas pedal once in awhile.

posted by fred on May 08, 2014 at 11:08:00 am     #   4 people liked this

All from TMC docket:

MOTOR VEHICLE AND MOTOR CYCLE BRAKES amended from SIGNALS BEFORE CHANGING COURSE, TURNING OR STOPPING GUILTY 09/26/2011

HAZARDOUS ZONES;OPERATOR TO OBEY DIRECTIONS OF DOT SIGNS OR MARKINGS GUILTY 04/06/2009

SEAT BELT REQUIRED DISMISSED 09/19/1991

OBEDIENCE TO TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES GUILTY 11/19/1990

OBEDIENCE TO TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES;PEDESTRIAN, DRIVER OR OPERATOR DISOBEY DISMISSED 04/11/1988

DRIVING UNSAFE VEH; VEH BUMPERS/HEIGHT amended from OPERATION OF VEHICLE AT STOP SIGNS GUILTY 04/22/1983

TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNAL TERMS & LIGHTS GUILTY 11/26/1982

SPEED REGULATIONS GUILTY 09/12/1980

SPEED REGULATIONS GUILTY 03/29/1979

DRIVERS LICENSE REQUIRED DISMISSED 06/21/1978

SIGNAL LIGHTS GUILTY 06/21/1978

In his defense, most of these were a pretty long time ago.

posted by Ace_Face on May 08, 2014 at 11:52:29 am     #   1 person liked this

I cannot imagine working with this horse's ### on the school board or on City Council. I pity the people who have had to attempt to work with him in the past or will be forced into this role in the future.

posted by MariaL on May 08, 2014 at 12:54:12 pm     #   1 person liked this

If I would have seen the vanity plate on the road, I wouldn't have figured out what it meant, and I can't imagine most police would either.

His behavior reminds me of Floyd Rose. I just hope he doesn't decide to run for mayor. He would make Collins look like an effective leader

posted by jamesteroh on May 08, 2014 at 11:15:42 pm     #   2 people liked this

madjack posted at 07:22:43 AM on May 07, 2014:

Larry Sykes is a basic pain in the ass. When he isn't trying to bully someone fully half his size, he's busy being a victim of racial discrimination. Too bad he didn't somehow manage to get himself tazed.

posted by MIJeff on May 09, 2014 at 12:23:55 am     #   3 people liked this

Have any of you ever been pulled over for "nothing"? If so, has it happened more than once? How many times? And what were the circumstances for the "nothing" - like the "can't see plates".

Because I've lived here for almost a decade and have never been pulled over. Not once. But I'm white.

Don't really see whats wrong with his plate outside of the lame vanity thing.

Gotta say... lame plate aside... if I was pulled over a couple times over a few years for nothing...

Yeah. I would be pissed off. And I bet the lot of you would too.

Also, classy job of posting his speeding tickets. Because we are all SO ABOVE traffic tickets.

posted by toledolen_ on May 09, 2014 at 12:47:57 am     #   1 person liked this

Toledolen_ said "Yeah. I would be pissed off. And I bet the lot of you would too."

But isn't the argument about that is that if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about?

posted by MIJeff on May 09, 2014 at 02:39:45 am     #   1 person liked this

A few basic truths:

-Yes. Larry Sykes is a unique and challenging individual with a healthy sense of "self."
-Yes. Many cops profile and more blacks get pulled over.
-Yes. It sucks to be stopped all the time when you are a law-abiding citizen.
-Yes. The plate is dumb.
-No. You don't have "nothing" to worry about when your civil rights are being violated. Bad cops exist. Things can go wrong in these situations. Ask Mike McCloskey. He probably figured that he had nothing to worry about when stopped on his motorcycle one night in Ottawa Hills. He hadn't robbed a bank or killed anyone, but in retrospect, he should have taken off like a bat out of hell.

In some neighborhoods, you don't need to be driving to get rousted. Being out and about is enough. You will be up against a wall with your ID being checked before you can say "don't taze me bro."

posted by justread on May 09, 2014 at 07:02:50 am     #   3 people liked this

Also, classy job of posting his speeding tickets. Because we are all SO ABOVE traffic tickets

He is a public official making a very public complaint that he is being pulled over for his race and not his driving. That makes his previous traffic violations fair game.

posted by Ace_Face on May 09, 2014 at 07:55:42 am     #   1 person liked this

I found it interesting that Mr. Sykes decided to write his complaint letter to Chief Moton on City of Toledo stationery. Was he complaining as a councilman or as a private citizen who was pulled over DWB?

posted by fred on May 09, 2014 at 09:51:06 am     #   1 person liked this

Also, classy job of posting his speeding tickets. Because we are all SO ABOVE traffic tickets.

I have received three traffic tickets in my life; one was undeserved. It's been over 30 years since my last ticket. Yeah, some of us really are so above traffic tickets, as you put it.

This goes to the man's character and general attitude. Sykes holds public office and is supposed to be a role model. For this, Sykes should be held to a higher standard.

posted by madjack on May 09, 2014 at 10:21:50 am     #   2 people liked this

Good for you. I have had 2. Both deserved.

"In his defense, most of these were a pretty long time ago." Exactly.

posted by toledolen_ on May 09, 2014 at 12:19:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

Sykes holds public office and is supposed to be a role model.

I call bullshit.

First of all, I know of few people, especially on this board, who consider politicians role models.

Second, our government is supposed to be "for the people, by the people." Given that we are drawing from our own pool for our democratically elected leaders, we can expect our elected leaders to be no better than we are. They ARE us...ideally, anyway.

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 12:31:20 pm     #   1 person liked this

No. They are union members.

posted by justread on May 09, 2014 at 12:47:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

...Huh?

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 12:52:17 pm     #  

Politicians in this town aren't like me. They tend to come from unions. Especially city council.

posted by justread on May 09, 2014 at 12:56:56 pm     #   1 person liked this

That's not the only way they aren't like you...

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 12:57:42 pm     #  

That means they aren't "people like me."

:)

posted by justread on May 09, 2014 at 01:00:35 pm     #  

But, they ARE people like you, justread. Sykes just proved it. Grouchy, combative pricks. See?

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 01:03:26 pm     #   3 people liked this

But, they ARE people like you, justread. Sykes just proved it. Grouchy, combative pricks. See?

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 01:03:32 pm     #   2 people liked this

Times two. BAM!

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 01:04:05 pm     #   2 people liked this

Well......well.........well.........who'da thunk such things from such an upstanding, model citizen?
http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/05/13/Report-Sykes-claims-he-was-racially-profiled-while-driving-unfounded.html

posted by Foodie on May 13, 2014 at 01:21:44 pm     #   1 person liked this

Whoops. Hate it when that happens.

Only one plate on the SUV and it was obscured enough by the cover that he had to make sure to remove it before the Blade took a photo of it.

Another case of "driving with less than one visible license plate."

(DWLTOVLP)

posted by justread on May 13, 2014 at 02:12:18 pm     #   3 people liked this

Who would have thunk that Larry Sikes would lie about being racially profiled? I, for one, never saw that coming.

posted by Molsonator on May 13, 2014 at 02:19:34 pm     #  

Page 8 of the investigation (as linked by the Blade) is really funny. Sykes tries avoiding the fact that he doesn't have a front plate. And then that he has a cover on his rear plate. And then that he actually took the fricken' cover off after he was stopped but before the Blade took pics!!!

posted by MrsArcher on May 13, 2014 at 03:03:43 pm     #  

MrsArcher posted at 03:03:43 PM on May 13, 2014:

Page 8 of the investigation (as linked by the Blade) is really funny. Sykes tries avoiding the fact that he doesn't have a front plate. And then that he has a cover on his rear plate. And then that he actually took the fricken' cover off after he was stopped but before the Blade took pics!!!

In a world where responsibility and integrity matter, this man would be forced to resign from office, as his actions demonstrate a complete lack of character required for a position of public trust and leadership.

But scream "racial profiling" and everything is seen through that lens. Impose consequences for these actions--you're a racist. Get council to sanction him for these actions--they're racist. Say his actions were wrong in any way--yep TT'ers, you're racist too. It's a whole white conspiracy here in Toledo.

It's a neat trick. Scream "racial profiling" when it doesn't matter and watch everyone around you melt away in fear. Integrity be damned.

Another shining example of Toledo leadership.

posted by oldhometown on May 13, 2014 at 03:49:17 pm     #   5 people liked this

Most of the Republicans I know have moved out of Toledo. The only thing left is for the Liberals in power is to eat their own.

posted by Molsonator on May 13, 2014 at 04:10:11 pm     #   2 people liked this

The Democrats running Toledo aren't anymore liberal than the Republicans running the Lucas County Republicans are conservative.

posted by SensorG on May 13, 2014 at 04:51:43 pm     #   3 people liked this

So elected councilman Larry Sykes :

  • maliciously attempts to have an individual of another race fired
  • lies to the news on camera
  • removes evidence to cover his tracks

Lucky for him he runs a city instead of a basketball team.

posted by MrGlass419 on May 13, 2014 at 06:40:52 pm     #   7 people liked this

Molsonator posted at 04:10:11 PM on May 13, 2014:

Most of the Republicans I know have moved out of Toledo. The only thing left is for the Liberals in power is to eat their own.

You mean they aren't already doing so??

posted by Foodie on May 13, 2014 at 07:14:37 pm     #  

MrGlass419 posted at 06:40:52 PM on May 13, 2014:

So elected councilman Larry Sykes :

  • maliciously attempts to have an individual of another race fired
  • lies to the news on camera
  • removes evidence to cover his tracks

Lucky for him he runs a city instead of a basketball team.

Perfect.

posted by Foodie on May 13, 2014 at 07:15:28 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 03:49:17 PM on May 13, 2014:
MrsArcher posted at 03:03:43 PM on May 13, 2014:

Page 8 of the investigation (as linked by the Blade) is really funny. Sykes tries avoiding the fact that he doesn't have a front plate. And then that he has a cover on his rear plate. And then that he actually took the fricken' cover off after he was stopped but before the Blade took pics!!!

In a world where responsibility and integrity matter, this man would be forced to resign from office, as his actions demonstrate a complete lack of character required for a position of public trust and leadership.

But scream "racial profiling" and everything is seen through that lens. Impose consequences for these actions--you're a racist. Get council to sanction him for these actions--they're racist. Say his actions were wrong in any way--yep TT'ers, you're racist too. It's a whole white conspiracy here in Toledo.

It's a neat trick. Scream "racial profiling" when it doesn't matter and watch everyone around you melt away in fear. Integrity be damned.

Another shining example of Toledo leadership.

Post of the year. 1000% true and accurate.

posted by Foodie on May 13, 2014 at 07:24:44 pm     #   2 people liked this

oldhometown posted at 03:49:17 PM on May 13, 2014:
MrsArcher posted at 03:03:43 PM on May 13, 2014:

Page 8 of the investigation (as linked by the Blade) is really funny. Sykes tries avoiding the fact that he doesn't have a front plate. And then that he has a cover on his rear plate. And then that he actually took the fricken' cover off after he was stopped but before the Blade took pics!!!

In a world where responsibility and integrity matter, this man would be forced to resign from office, as his actions demonstrate a complete lack of character required for a position of public trust and leadership.

But scream "racial profiling" and everything is seen through that lens. Impose consequences for these actions--you're a racist. Get council to sanction him for these actions--they're racist. Say his actions were wrong in any way--yep TT'ers, you're racist too. It's a whole white conspiracy here in Toledo.

It's a neat trick. Scream "racial profiling" when it doesn't matter and watch everyone around you melt away in fear. Integrity be damned.

Another shining example of Toledo leadership.

Yep. Great post.

BUT. At least he was really up front about the massive chip on his shoulder by getting a license plate that indicated he was overtly hypersensitive to it "driving while black."

posted by justread on May 13, 2014 at 07:39:54 pm     #  

Oldhometown...I think you need to check your privilege. Have you walked a mile in his shoes?

posted by Dappling2 on May 13, 2014 at 08:41:20 pm     #  

I got pulled over for no front license plate by a black police officer and got a ticket, maybe if I had been black and was pulled over by a white officer I would have gotten a warning, like Larry did, instead.

posted by OldTimer on May 13, 2014 at 08:45:03 pm     #  

Did anyone see (under the FB comments section on the Larry Sykes article in the Blade) the exchange between a poster and Rich Iott?

Check it out (if it is still there) as it makes interesting reading!

posted by Dappling2 on May 13, 2014 at 08:54:55 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 02:19:34 PM on May 13, 2014:

Who would have thunk that Larry Sikes would lie about being racially profiled? I, for one, never saw that coming.

That's because you're an attorney, and as such have undergone special attorney training that tends to impede your natural ability to anticipate certain situations. Criminals and falsehood, for instance, wouldn't automatically go together for you unless coupled with six feet of duct tape.

posted by madjack on May 13, 2014 at 08:55:20 pm     #  

Dappling2 posted at 08:41:20 PM on May 13, 2014:

Oldhometown...I think you need to check your privilege. Have you walked a mile in his shoes?

I don't think so, Dappling2. I think you'd do a whole lot better for yourself and the people around you if you'd shit-can the knee jerk reactions to perceived discrimination.

Larry Sykes had no license plate displayed on the front of his vehicle, and the rear plate was obscured. That's reason to pull him over and write two citations, which should have been written. Then Sykes decided to get mouthy, which should have earned him a field sobriety test - drunks are belligerent and often feel like they are above the law. Like Sykes, for instance.

Because the world refused to acknowledge his elevated station in life, Larry Sykes decided to get himself some payback, and when his story wasn't good enough Larry Sykes did what Larry Sykes always does. He lied.

Sykes bloviating failed to produce the desired result, and his story has fallen apart. He should be brought up before a grand jury, and the arresting officer should sue him for slander.

Now, none of that will happen because of Larry Sykes privilege. Something you seem to be an expert on. So about checking that privilege... when do you suppose Larry Sykes will check his?

posted by madjack on May 13, 2014 at 09:20:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

The real shame is Larry Sykes attempted to ruin an innocent mans life. I'm so glad the cop car is equipped with video and audio. You have a young man who puts his life on the line everyday to defend citizens. Without the available video and audio where would this young mans life be now?
Removing race from the equation, falsely accusing a public servant of a crime, publicly lying, and attempting to cover up alone should be enough of a scandal to remove Councilman Sykes from office. Adding in the fact that the crime appears to be racially motivated makes the entire situation abhorrent. Larry Sykes should never receive another taxpayer dollar.

posted by MrGlass419 on May 13, 2014 at 10:12:44 pm     #   4 people liked this

I think the true question that has yet to be asked is "In what capacity was Larry Sykes acting when this event unfolded?"

Was Larry representing the City at this hour?

Or is there a certain window one must be in in capacity of said title when representing? As in, "once the person left the studio, his presence as a councilperson ends as well?"

It wasn't like Larry was heading to Checker's for a sandwich.

Just curious.

posted by BrianInFlorida on May 13, 2014 at 10:48:59 pm     #  

Madjack...au contraire mon frere! :-)

In the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away.

There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars.

There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often.

And I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African American community interprets what may or may not have happened [in Toledo]. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws -- everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws.

And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

According to what is known as "critical race theory," one not acknowledging the fact that they do in fact have "privilege" is prima facie evidence of said privilege.

posted by Dappling2 on May 13, 2014 at 11:12:05 pm     #   2 people liked this

BrianInFlorida posted at 10:48:59 PM on May 13, 2014:

I think the true question that has yet to be asked is "In what capacity was Larry Sykes acting when this event unfolded?"

Was Larry representing the City at this hour?

Or is there a certain window one must be in in capacity of said title when representing? As in, "once the person left the studio, his presence as a councilperson ends as well?"

It wasn't like Larry was heading to Checker's for a sandwich.

Just curious.

I have been wondering why this would have any bearing. If he is "driving in the capacity of a councilperson" he doesn't have to display a license plate?

People driving to Checker's for a sandwich have different responsibilities that come with obtaining a driver's license in the state of Ohio than politicians?

posted by justread on May 14, 2014 at 06:47:42 am     #   4 people liked this

Dappling2 posted at 11:12:05 PM on May 13, 2014:

Madjack...au contraire mon frere! :-)

In the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away.

There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars.

There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often.

And I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African American community interprets what may or may not have happened [in Toledo]. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear.

The African American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws -- everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws.

And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

According to what is known as "critical race theory," one not acknowledging the fact that they do in fact have "privilege" is prima facie evidence of said privilege.

A) We are allowed to say "black" now. Not all black people are of African ancestry.

B) In light of all the real racial discrimination and profiling that goes on every day for black people, it is particularly appalling that a black man would try to falsely exploit that dynamic.

posted by justread on May 14, 2014 at 06:55:38 am     #   9 people liked this

almost every reasonably informed person knows it is illegal to drive with one plate and that you are not allowed to obscure a plate. if the story turns out to be true, to then remove that obscuring lense and then lie about it intentionally is unexcusable.

as mrglass pointed out, putting this officers job and career at risk is the absolutely worse offence... how can you do that to a person!? he was intentionally provacative by breaking the law and then refused to take responsibility and then lied to place blame else where.

dappling... everything you wrote about the black experience is true... discrimination that every black person experiences in big and little ways happens all the time... i think everyone here would acknowledge that... but

that is exactly why a public figure like mr sykes should be more careful and measured and truthful. because of his inability to acknowledge his car was improperly tagged which is a valid reason to be pulled over and then he chose to escalate and lie about it... for his personal ego or agenda he has damaged the relationship between police and the black community... the community that most needs the assistance of police because they are most often the victims of crime, now are less likely to trust police.

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on May 14, 2014 at 08:01:46 am     #   4 people liked this

Dappling2 posted at 08:41:20 PM on May 13, 2014:

Oldhometown...I think you need to check your privilege. Have you walked a mile in his shoes?

Overall, his shoes are (or were) probably pretty comfortable. He was the Community Affairs Officer for Fifth Third Bank for 30 years. That was a big reason everyone wanted him on their boards. He had access to the $$ that Fifth Third donates to nonprofits, charities, etc.

posted by Ace_Face on May 14, 2014 at 08:40:26 am     #  

BrianInFlorida posted at 10:48:59 PM on May 13, 2014:

I think the true question that has yet to be asked is "In what capacity was Larry Sykes acting when this event unfolded?"

Was Larry representing the City at this hour?

Or is there a certain window one must be in in capacity of said title when representing? As in, "once the person left the studio, his presence as a councilperson ends as well?"

It wasn't like Larry was heading to Checker's for a sandwich.

Just curious.

I don't think that is really that important. What does matter is that he wrote his letter on council letterhead, clearly trying to leverage his position as a member of council. That is what should earn him some sort of sanction by Council.

posted by Ace_Face on May 14, 2014 at 08:44:29 am     #   1 person liked this

Everything is ok now because Councilman Sykes believes the officers were justified in pulling him over after the investigation. Public apology to the officers? No. Dan Wagner president of the Police Patrolman's association asks for Councilman Sykes resignation. Were is city council on this?

Oh the story gets better in today's issue of The Blade. In 1989 Councilman Sykes was arrested for drunken driving. Later he accused the sheriff's of beating him and smashing his head into a table. The sheriff and the FBI found it to be a frivolous accusation.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/05/14/Police-say-Sykes-profiling-claim-unfounded.html

posted by MrGlass419 on May 14, 2014 at 08:49:12 am     #  

So maybe I'm naive for saying this, but is it possible that Sykes tried to pull this stunt just to try to make some money? That 2002 traffic stop where he claimed his civil rights were violated ended in a cash settlement. Maybe he was trying to parlay the most recent traffic stop into a payday too. Until it went south, anyway.

posted by gamegrrl on May 14, 2014 at 09:41:23 am     #   1 person liked this

"Who will the City's lawyer represent should this advance to the next stage?"

I guess THAT should have been my question.

posted by BrianInFlorida on May 14, 2014 at 10:19:22 am     #  

If you didn't catch Fred's spot on WSPD this am regarding the Sykes fiasco, do yourself a favor and grab the podcast. It began at about the 7:45 am time frame. It was hilarious. Brought some needed comic relief while repeating the facts of the traffic stop.

posted by Foodie on May 14, 2014 at 10:49:38 am     #  

gamegrrl posted at 09:41:23 AM on May 14, 2014:

So maybe I'm naive for saying this, but is it possible that Sykes tried to pull this stunt just to try to make some money? That 2002 traffic stop where he claimed his civil rights were violated ended in a cash settlement. Maybe he was trying to parlay the most recent traffic stop into a payday too. Until it went south, anyway.

Who knows? Would love to know more about the 2002 incident though. The story indicates that he was walking along Route 2 when an officer stopped and questioned him. Isn't Route 2 kind of a busy place to be getting a workout?

Also liked this:

Mr. Sykes said on Tuesday that he never mentioned in his letter to Chief Moton that he believed he was “racially profiled,” only that he was “profiled.”

“I never suggested it was racial profiling,” Mr. Sykes said. “You can be profiled for all sorts of reasons.”

What a loser.

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/05/14/Police-say-Sykes-profiling-claim-unfounded.html#OiARWKtbBRHzMOG4.99

posted by Ace_Face on May 14, 2014 at 11:38:59 am     #  

It would be both funny and proper if he would be pulled over and ticketed today for not having a front license plate on his vehicle. How about it TPD?

posted by jimavolt on May 14, 2014 at 02:17:02 pm     #   9 people liked this

4DRWLS

posted by justread on May 14, 2014 at 03:58:13 pm     #   1 person liked this

And now an apology where he doesn't really apologize.

“If I have caused any misunderstanding, I sincerely apologize,” Mr Sykes said during a news conference this afternoon. “I support our police force. I am apologizing and I am moving forward.”

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2014/05/14/Sykes-issues-public-apology-over-racial-profiling-accusations.html#vGCz2ickkHjObiXV.99

Also worth noting is that he lightly dissed JR Block in his interview with the TPD. His interview starts on page 6 and the Blade comment is on page 17.

http://www.toledoblade.com/attachment/2014/05/13/Toledo-Police-investigation-of-Larry-Sykes-traffic-stop.pdf

posted by Ace_Face on May 14, 2014 at 05:32:23 pm     #  

I just read the whole interview. I never realized how inarticulate Larry Sykes is.

posted by justread on May 14, 2014 at 06:16:40 pm     #   3 people liked this

Dappling2 posted at 08:41:20 PM on May 13, 2014:

Oldhometown...I think you need to check your privilege. Have you walked a mile in his shoes?

Indeed not. However, having talked to my Asian-American wife, my Cuban-American dissertation chair, and my African-American neighbor, we all still came to the conclusion that Sykes is a grade-A dick, my privilege notwithstanding.

posted by oldhometown on May 14, 2014 at 07:43:21 pm     #   15 people liked this

The thing that bugs me the most about this is that, because of fabricating his racial profiling allegations, he has probably set race relations in our community back by years. Wonder if, in retrospect, he has thought about this, or even cares.

Also bugs me that this is a slap in the face of our local police department, who (like police across the country) is expending much time, money, and energy to educate their officers to avoid any behavior that might be perceived as racial profiling.

posted by MariaL on May 14, 2014 at 07:50:40 pm     #  

Ace_Face posted at 05:32:23 PM on May 14, 2014:

And now an apology where he doesn't really apologize.

“If I have caused any misunderstanding, I sincerely apologize,” Mr Sykes said during a news conference this afternoon. “I support our police force. I am apologizing and I am moving forward.”

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2014/05/14/Sykes-issues-public-apology-over-racial-profiling-accusations.html#vGCz2ickkHjObiXV.99

Also worth noting is that he lightly dissed JR Block in his interview with the TPD. His interview starts on page 6 and the Blade comment is on page 17.

http://www.toledoblade.com/attachment/2014/05/13/Toledo-Police-investigation-of-Larry-Sykes-traffic-stop.pdf

This shit makes me so incensed.

An apology doesn't settle this. The cop's name (most likely--I haven't seen it) appears on the ticket. Think that won't float around the department every time he comes up for a promotion? Sykes raised hell for days about being "profiled" (a charged word if ever there was one). Threw us all back down the rabbit hole of racial problems and a "racist" "profiling" police force. Now--"sorry, my bad." Hell, no.

This is a complete picture of the man all in one package. Unfit for public office. Unfit for public trust. This isn't about him be profiled. This isn't about driving while black (dumbass license plate or not). This is about someone throwing damaging bombs...at the officer, at TPD, at law enforcement in general (comments which aim themselves towards the African-American community, already mistrustful of police but in many areas saturated with gang activity and crime). After all that, "sorry, my bad, moving forward" doesn't fucking cut it.

Will anything happen? No. He's black and you're racist for wanting any consequences for this egregious, deliberate lie and smear. Just because he made a "mistake" you're gonna make it harder for the black man to earn a living? Fuck you.

That's how it shakes out in my view.

posted by oldhometown on May 14, 2014 at 07:52:26 pm     #   3 people liked this

Turning the coin around and flipping it over a few times not a lot comes up shiny. From the vid the two TPD men acted well. It appeared to be a non-event. When George Kennedy told Newman to just stay down Luke, don't get up, Cool Hand ignored him since it was not good advice. Agree with what he is after or not, Sykes is a fighter. I don't want to see any fighter hug the mat. I am speaking to all of us - me included.

posted by Mariner on May 14, 2014 at 08:42:28 pm     #  

Any man who compares Larry with Luke spends a night in the box.

posted by justread on May 14, 2014 at 08:57:36 pm     #   3 people liked this

Mom passed some time ago so I spent that time. I know she would agree with me on balance.

posted by Mariner on May 14, 2014 at 10:15:27 pm     #  

posted by Ace_Face on May 14, 2014 at 11:37:12 pm     #  

My biggest issue is that Sykes didn't actually apologize. He said the words "apologize" and "apologizing," but never really apologized for anything. Saying those words under the premise of, “If I have caused any misunderstanding" is not actually being sorry for anything. Either he's sorry for his actions towards the officers or he's not. If he thinks he was profiled, then he should just stay silent instead of giving a fake apology where he doesn't actually apologize for anything he did.

posted by clt212 on May 15, 2014 at 01:52:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

Also, this will impact future instances of profiling. Racial profiling does exist (despite what Toledo's mayor believes) and the reaction Sykes had initially and to the TPD's report will cast doubt in future cases when people are actually illegally profiled.

posted by clt212 on May 15, 2014 at 02:05:39 pm     #  

What we have here, is a failure to communicate.

posted by Wulf on May 15, 2014 at 02:23:38 pm     #   1 person liked this

clt212 posted at 01:52:43 PM on May 15, 2014:

My biggest issue is that Sykes didn't actually apologize. He said the words "apologize" and "apologizing," but never really apologized for anything. Saying those words under the premise of, “If I have caused any misunderstanding" is not actually being sorry for anything. Either he's sorry for his actions towards the officers or he's not. If he thinks he was profiled, then he should just stay silent instead of giving a fake apology where he doesn't actually apologize for anything he did.

The headline today said "Councilman apologizes to 2 officers over profile issue" which is totally inaccurate. He did not apologize IMHO and he definitely didn't do it to the officers.

posted by Ace_Face on May 15, 2014 at 02:47:16 pm     #   3 people liked this

In the words of Toledo's most famous political pundit.

Boooooooooo, Larry Sykes Booooo, Booooooo Boooo Booo Larry Sykes, Booooooo, Liar, Liar, Larry Sykes Liar. Booooooooo

posted by MrGlass419 on May 15, 2014 at 11:36:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

I still think it's hilarious that South Park thought that was funny enough to reference in one of their episodes......
www.youtube.southparkboowendy

posted by foodie88 on May 16, 2014 at 11:45:20 am     #   1 person liked this

Try this one. Listen close. The last time he says it he says "boo ben." :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jimPXzGaY6w

posted by justread on May 16, 2014 at 11:56:09 am     #  

I like this video better the last one I think represents the Lucas county BOE.
http://www.omigu.com/funniest-banned-comercials-2/

posted by MIJeff on May 16, 2014 at 02:49:24 pm     #  

I think he owes an apology to members of the black community also. I'm sure that there are actual instances of people getting pulled over for being black that should get the attention that Sykes is exploiting

posted by steve155 on May 17, 2014 at 02:02:50 pm     #   2 people liked this

"I think he owes an apology to members of the black community also."

Totally agree. My opinion certainly did a 180 when I saw the TPD video. So SOOOO glad the car had cameras. This guy needs to go. What a waste of taxpayer $.

posted by toledolen_ on May 17, 2014 at 04:49:31 pm     #   6 people liked this

I'd like to see him get ticketed for the license plate violation - three or four times in different jurisdictions.

posted by madjack on May 18, 2014 at 08:50:41 am     #  

I am trying to wrap my head around whether the notion that all members of "the black community" are due an apology for the bad acts of one man simply because he happens to be black and played the race card and failed miserably is actually racist.

If being black is the only reason that they are owed an apology, I imagine that some individuals who have nothing to do with this other than the fact that they are black might not be interested.

If white people were all due an apology every time that a white person "represents" the rest of us poorly, or played the race card and failed miserably, us white folks would never get anything done.

posted by justread on May 18, 2014 at 09:27:47 am     #   4 people liked this

Best part of the internal affairs report is where Councilman Sykes asks if the report will be public. When instructed several times it will be private during the investigation which may take up to 100 days, but will be public upon completion, Larry asks for the investigation to take 3 years until his term is over. Wouldn't want this to be public even though he did nothing wrong?

posted by MrGlass419 on May 18, 2014 at 01:59:18 pm     #   5 people liked this

When instructed several times it will be private during the investigation which may take up to 100 days, but will be public upon completion, Larry asks for the investigation to take 3 years until his term is over.

I don't know if the "black community" deserves an apology, but "the community" does...and a resignation.

If this doesn't demonstrate the craven nature of this man, nothing will.

posted by oldhometown on May 18, 2014 at 02:53:04 pm     #   5 people liked this

"I am trying to wrap my head around whether the notion that all members of "the black community" are due an apology..."

Specifically because he played the race card. Profiling is an actual thing. But yes, he owes all of us (regardless of color) a resignation.

posted by toledolen_ on May 18, 2014 at 03:17:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

Profiling exists. True.

But nothing racial happened in this case.

Dumbass ego-tripping whining happened. Therefore, the suggestion that blacks are especially maligned because he happens to be a black dumbass ego tripping whiner is racist.

ALL non-dumbasses deserve an apology. Black ones, white ones, brown ones, yellow ones, and every other shade of non-dumbass.

posted by justread on May 18, 2014 at 03:41:22 pm     #   4 people liked this

Again. "But yes, he owes all of us (regardless of color) a resignation."

posted by toledolen_ on May 18, 2014 at 04:22:12 pm     #  

Echo-o-o-o

posted by justread on May 18, 2014 at 05:10:11 pm     #  

ALL non-dumbasses deserve an apology. Black ones, white ones, brown ones, yellow ones, and every other shade of non-dumbass.

What about financial reparations for having to share space with poo-flinging howler monkeys?

posted by madjack on May 18, 2014 at 07:18:21 pm     #  

i... wow.

posted by endcycle on May 19, 2014 at 09:47:02 am     #  

"What about financial reparations for having to share space with poo-flinging howler monkeys?"

Ok. But nothing exceeding the cost of dry-cleaning and one Plexiglas partition.

posted by justread on May 19, 2014 at 10:25:36 am     #   2 people liked this

I read through the City Charter to investigate exactly what is needed in order to recall an elected official. Sadly, it the same Section that approves recalls also precludes the filing of the recall petition within 1 year of the elected officer taking office. Because he took office January 2, 2014, nothing can be submitted until after Jan 2, 2015.

http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/Ohio/toledo/toledomunicipalcode?f=templates$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegal:toledo_oh

posted by jimavolt on May 19, 2014 at 12:25:14 pm     #  

sorry, above link doesn't work properly. Here is the text to Section 87A of the Toledo Charter:

87A. Removal of Officer by Recall Petition.

Any elected officer provided for in this Charter may be removed from office by the electors by the following procedure:
A petition for the recall of the elected officer containing a statement in not more than two hundred (200) words of the grounds for the recall may be circulated once in any calendar year within a circulation period not to exceed ninety (90) days, and may be filed with the Clerk of Council. Such petition to be sufficient shall be signed by at least that number of electors which equals twenty-five percent (25%) of the electors voting at the last regular City election for that office. Within ten (10) days after the day on which such petition shall have been filed, the Clerk shall determine whether or not it meets the requirements hereof. If the Clerk shall find the petition insufficient, the Clerk shall promptly certify the particulars in which the petition is defective, deliver a copy of the certificate to the person who filed the petition, and make a record of such delivery. Such person shall be allowed a period of twenty (20) days after the day on which such delivery was made in which to make the petition sufficient. If the Clerk shall find the petition sufficient, the Clerk shall promptly so certify to the election authorities, shall deliver a copy of such certificate to the officer whose removal is sought, and shall make a record of such delivery. If such officer shall not resign within five (5) days after the day on which such delivery shall have been made, the election authorities shall thereupon fix a day for holding the recall election at the next regular municipal election held not less than sixty (60) days after the expiration of the period of five days last mentioned. No petition to recall shall be filed within one (1) year after an officer takes office.
(Added by electors 11-3-92)

posted by jimavolt on May 19, 2014 at 12:34:30 pm     #  

The good news is, since you only need 25% of the number of people actually voting, you'll only need about 2 signatures on that petition.

posted by JoeyGee on May 19, 2014 at 01:03:34 pm     #   3 people liked this

Question:

As far as our local media is concerned, has anyone viewed any public statements or interviews from the mayors administration or city council concerning this matter?

If so, how did they compare to the public statements made concerning the Treece airport proposal?

posted by GTVT on May 19, 2014 at 06:52:01 pm     #  

Maybe one could ask why The Blade has spent significantly less time on this story. You know one that involves a Toledo City Council member falsely accusing a TPD Officer of racial profiling. Instead of 3 years (or whatever) and counting about the Seneca County Courthouse?

posted by hunkytownsausage on May 19, 2014 at 08:26:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

May 22, 2014 - Toledo Blade - Firefighters ask councilman to resign

The union representing Toledo’s firefighters joined the Toledo Police Patrolman’s Association in calling for the resignation of Councilman Larry Sykes, whose allegations of police profiling were deemed unfounded.

Jeff Romstadt, president of Toledo Firefighters Local 92, sent a letter Tuesday to Mr. Sykes, stating the councilman’s accusation “demonstrates a profound lack of judgment and an unpardonable breach of the public’s trust.”

Dan Wagner, president of the Toledo Police Patrolman’s Association, immediately called for Mr. Sykes to resign. On Monday, Mr. Wagner mailed the councilman a letter asking for his formal resignation. Mr. Wagner said Wednesday if the union does not hear from Mr. Sykes by next week, it plans to ask for a censure. A censure from council would not affect Mr. Sykes’ ability to serve on council, but is simply a formal disapproval.

“These are probably the worst accusations you an make against a police officer,” Mr. Wagner said. “

The defiant Sykes said:

"I’ve moved on with my life. … There’s no story. You guys have covered everything there is to be covered. Right or wrong, I’ve moved on and I’m not going to comment any more about this topic."

posted by jr on May 22, 2014 at 08:05:59 am     #  

"Right or wrong, I’ve moved on and I’m not going to comment any more about this topic."

Pure arrogance.

posted by toledolen_ on May 22, 2014 at 09:42:41 am     #   10 people liked this

But, all will be forgotten and forgiven and he'll be handily re-elected when he next runs. This is Lucas County after all..........

posted by Foodie on May 22, 2014 at 09:47:35 am     #   2 people liked this

And some wonder why I have no hope for Toledo/Lucas county ever improving.

posted by Erin on May 22, 2014 at 05:40:35 pm     #  

And now I bet any further comments on his idiocy will be considered racism.

posted by MIJeff on May 22, 2014 at 06:42:32 pm     #  

Call me a racist then. Larry is Toledo's Jesse and Al all rolled up into one shitty package.

posted by Erin on May 22, 2014 at 07:30:48 pm     #  

Add the TPS teachers union to the list

posted by bucknut on May 22, 2014 at 08:33:54 pm     #   1 person liked this

Erin posted at 07:30:48 PM on May 22, 2014:

Call me a racist then. Larry is Toledo's Jesse and Al all rolled up into one shitty package.

The Rev. Floyd Rose called. He wants his spot back.

posted by justread on May 22, 2014 at 08:57:57 pm     #   2 people liked this

Larry Sykes had a shovel at the groundbreaking for Scott's new stadium today. No word whether it still had crap on it.

posted by justread on May 22, 2014 at 09:24:19 pm     #  

Larry IS the problem. It's heavily laden with "stupidity".

Just from his license plate, or lack thereof, Larry has made a story.

Yeah, Larry, YOU move on. Just another feather in your cap of "righteousness", throwing your "entitlement" against the wall hoping one day it will catch and not smear off. Driving with the same license plate for years, you clearly have an agenda.

Being in the position of power and prestige, you found something that would bring your anger to light, seeing you got "no justice" on the school board.

But your own stupidity and ego just couldn't be reigned in on City Council. You even tried to use City Council stationary to drive your angst home. Yet you pitched out "profiling" like you are a victim.

You're not a "victim", Larry Sykes. You're the problem with "racism".

And for that, you must go.

posted by BrianInFlorida on May 23, 2014 at 06:54:11 am     #   10 people liked this

City teachers' union joins call for Sykes to resign. Yet council and the mayor continue their silence.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/05/23/City-teachers-union-joins-in-call-for-Sykes-to-resign-post.html

posted by MrGlass419 on May 23, 2014 at 09:00:29 am     #  

MrGlass419 posted at 09:00:29 AM on May 23, 2014:

City teachers' union joins call for Sykes to resign. Yet council and the mayor continue their silence.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/05/23/City-teachers-union-joins-in-call-for-Sykes-to-resign-post.html

Gotta give this to elected democrats: whether the behavior is right, wrong, racist, criminal or indifferent, they can most always be counted on to tightly circle the wagons.

posted by Foodie on May 23, 2014 at 09:30:53 am     #  

Larry Sykes said a couple days ago: "There’s no story."

Obviously, that's incorrect, but not for the reason that you think, which is explained further down this comment.

First, excepts from the May 23, 2014 Toledo Blade story about the alleged reasons why unions want Sykes to resign:

The Toledo Federation of Teachers got behind the city’s safety forces on Thursday calling for the resignation of Toledo Councilman Larry Sykes.

“I think the voters of Toledo deserve better and if Mr. Sykes does not resign, I will be calling upon the council members for censure as well,” said Kevin Dalton, president of the educators’ union, which represents more than 2,000. “He has created a hostile environment, which flies directly in the face of what this community has been trying to do for the past 18 months.”

Mr. Dalton was referring to the Changing Minds, Changing Lives forums hosted by various organizations, including The Blade, to discuss race and community relations.


Hold on! This Sykes kerfuffle may be nothing more than Toledo politics.

Connect the dots.

More from the May 23, 2014 Blade story:

There is no love lost between Mr. Sykes and the teachers’ union. In October, the union, along with dozens of other union leaders, rallied against Mr. Sykes and Adam Martinez who were seeking election and re-election to council respectively. The unions were upset at Mr. Sykes for, in part, his push to privatize food services in the schools.

Dalton said: "I think the voters of Toledo deserve better."

That could be incorrect, since Sykes has been elected/re-elected multiple times.

And Sykes's behavior is nothing new.

Sykes got elected to the TPS board. Then he lost re-election. Then he won election back to the TPS board. Then he won election to Toledo city council.

If the voters deserved better, then they would have never elected Sykes.

In November 2013, Sykes won election to Toledo city council at-large, which means every registered voter in Toledo had a chance to vote FOR or AGAINST Sykes.

But voter turnout in Toledo last November was only about 25 percent.

And Sykes won the 6th and final council at-large seat by defeating incumbent Adam Martinez by six votes.

In the fall of 2013, the local unions campaigned against Bell because of his support for SB5 in 2011. The state Democrat party said defeating Bell was the party's top goal for 2013 because of Bell's support for SB5.

Martinez lost local Democrat support because he endorsed Bell for mayor last fall. Martinez opposed SB5, but his support for Bell displeased many Democrats.

In the late days of the [Nov 2013] campaign, Martínez angered fellow Democrats and union leaders by publicly endorsing Mayor Bell’s candidacy. Union and party leaders denounced the endorsement by Martínez—some even calling for him to return campaign contributions.

Six votes separated Martinez and Sykes for the final council at-large seat. Even though local unions opposed both men, the local unions may have enabled Sykes, who probably had better name recognition, to defeat Martinez. And now some local unions want Sykes to resign.

This story reaches jocularity level.

I hope Sykes does NOT resign. Sykes can be removed in the 2017 election by a 20-percent voter turnout.

Stay strong Larry. Keep being an asshole, but do not step aside.

I don't believe the unions are sincere in their calls for Sykes to resign. Well, they are sincere for political reasons, but they are not sincere for the reasons that they have given this week, in my opinion.

I think the unions see this as an opportunity to get another one of their "guys" on council.

In November 2013, Toledo city councilman Shaun Enright lost his bid to remain an at-large councilman.

  • "Shaun Enright, who was the endorsed Democrat to replace Phil Copeland on council ..." - >>
  • "Shaun Enright, who was appointed to the council in January [2013]." - >>
  • "Shaun Enright is a former union official who was appointed over Ford by the majority of Democrats on council." - >>
  • "Shaun Enright, the choice of Toledo union bosses, was appointed to fill a vacant at-large seat on Toledo City Council." - >>

Earlier this month, the local Democrat party was successful in getting their endorsed candidate, Matt Cherry a union official, elected to Toledo's district 2 council seat.

Obviously, Toledo is a union town, so it's understandable that local unions would like to replace Sykes with Enright, assuming that's possible if a councilperson resigns.

Anyway, it's just politics.

posted by jr on May 23, 2014 at 10:48:59 am     #   3 people liked this

Jr, it seems as though you're ignoring that Sykes' public lies blemished two cops permanent records. His hollow apology took no responsibility for the damage to these young guys careers.

I'm pissed that no one on council has the guts to call him out on this. The lack of vocal disapproval of his antics amounts to default approval.

Are people that afraid of the bully???

posted by jimavolt on May 23, 2014 at 12:35:08 pm     #   6 people liked this

jimavolt, it seems as though you're ignoring that this is Toledo.

posted by jr on May 23, 2014 at 12:48:43 pm     #  

I knew that posted evidence of a union or unions taking the same position as practically every poster on this board (or at least this thread) would not be allowed to just float by unabated.

For a second there, all these fine people were inadvertently agreeing with some slimy union thug! Thank you, jr, for pointing out that, while that shady figure might agree with them on the surface, he surely doesn't do so for the right reasons...but no doubt some complex, self-serving tangled web of nefarity instead.

Whew! That was close!

posted by Sohio on May 23, 2014 at 04:31:57 pm     #  

Oh what a tangled web of nefarity we weave, when first we practice to agree with union thugs.

After all, a broken clock is "right" twice a day.

posted by justread on May 23, 2014 at 05:15:55 pm     #  

After all, a broken clock is "right" twice a day.

Supposedly true. But, while a stopped clock may techincally be "right" twice a day, you could not really tell exactly when it was, unless you had another working clock, in which case, why would you bother with the broken one? Clock type is also a factor, certain digital clocks, when stopped, display a flashing time or no time at all, in which case that stopped clock is never right nor wrong, but inoperative. Not to mention, a stopped clock is actually less valuable than a clock displaying the wrong time, because, assuming the clock was functioning properly, you could still use it to assess the passage of time. Mix in time zones, and you actually have the potential for a stopped clock to be correct several times a day, just perhaps not in your region.

It's moot, anyway, justread. You don't agree with a union thug. You may think you do, but you don't, as jr pointed out.

To wit: union types like this Mr. Dalton simply aren’t like us. At least, they don’t have the same moral compass that we do. So, the thought that maybe this Dalton guy has a functioning sense of right and wrong, and shares the outrage that everyone here has over this issue, is plain silly.

Equally as dubious is the idea that he is doing the buddy thing, and speaking out in support of two union members (the cops) who have been pretty obviously harassed by a representative of their management (the city) just for doing their jobs.

There must be something more there…and you nailed it. Slim were their chances of flexing any political muscle to get Sykes ousted in favor of a more union-friendly candidate in the next election. Given their abysmal track record in that arena, it would have been foolhardy for them to roll the dice on that.

NO, this miniature Zsa Zsa Gabor thingy was the answer to their prayers. Finally, with any luck, they can use this little brouhaha to wedge in some “friend of theirs” onto council and, at long last, have a majority voice in that governing body. Without Larry Sykes and his big mouth, it might never have happened. Larry flung the door wide open for union thuggery and labor leader skullduggery. And they are rolling the whole sordid plot out, wrapped up in an innocent-looking package of phony-baloney “commiseration” with two people who have been wronged. Nice try, but you gotta get up pretty early in the morning!

And you uncovered it all, jr. Kudos. You’ll have turned the tides of this thread in no time, for sure. Time for us all to throw our support behind the embattled Mr. Sykes. He’s fighting the good fight against those greedy union bastards; like the two cops [who were probably getting paid double time or some shit while they pulled him over!!]

Do it…or the unions WIN!

posted by Sohio on May 23, 2014 at 05:33:52 pm     #  

Again, from the Blade story, Sohio:

There is no love lost between Mr. Sykes and the teachers’ union. In October, the union, along with dozens of other union leaders, rallied against Mr. Sykes and Adam Martinez who were seeking election and re-election to council respectively.

The Blade uncovered it by basic reporting. Ain't no altruistic reasons here. But keep the faith, brother. Maybe someday.

posted by jr on May 23, 2014 at 07:04:40 pm     #  

jr posted at 07:04:40 PM on May 23, 2014:

Again, from the Blade story, Sohio:

There is no love lost between Mr. Sykes and the teachers’ union. In October, the union, along with dozens of other union leaders, rallied against Mr. Sykes and Adam Martinez who were seeking election and re-election to council respectively.

The Blade uncovered it by basic reporting. Ain't no altruistic reasons here. But keep the faith, brother. Maybe someday.

Exactly what I said. No altruism. No human feelings. Not even any solidarity with other union members under fire.

Just opportunism and posturing. I'm sure the Firefighter's union had similar grudges with him...?

Furthermore, assuming a union president speaks out against Sykes only because of past political transgressions...is not at all the same as labeling someone a racist for denouncing Sykes when he happens to be black. One is perfectly OK. One is closed-minded and unfair. I forget which one is which.

posted by Sohio on May 23, 2014 at 08:15:15 pm     #  

Certainly. Me too. I think.

posted by justread on May 23, 2014 at 09:00:18 pm     #  

"Police say they pulled over a minivan early Monday morning because the vehicle did not have a front license plate. A male passenger then jumped out of the van and took off on foot."

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/25666029/three-in-custody-after-central-toledo-drug-bust?utm_content=bufferbef26&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

posted by BrianInFlorida on Jun 02, 2014 at 04:53:21 am     #  

I meant to add that "this guy can HOPE he gets a blank page of City Council stationary."

posted by BrianInFlorida on Jun 02, 2014 at 04:54:35 am     #  

You beat me to it Brian. I wonder if Larry feels more like an ass now? I doubt it, people like him have no shame.

posted by Erin on Jun 02, 2014 at 05:26:35 pm     #  

"people like him"

Um. Ah. Oh. Uh. Yeah.

posted by justread on Jun 02, 2014 at 06:39:26 pm     #  

Narcisissts can be any color look at Stainbrook.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 02, 2014 at 07:20:03 pm     #   8 people liked this

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/06/03/Toledo-police-union-calls-for-punishment-of-Sykes.html

In the letter, Mr. Wagner writes that the appropriate punishment, based on the city charter, of Mr. Sykes “should include censure and office forfeiture.”

posted by toledolen_ on Jun 03, 2014 at 06:31:17 pm     #   1 person liked this

Were Mr. Sykes windows tinted beyond the legal limit?

posted by MrGlass419 on Jun 03, 2014 at 09:53:07 pm     #  

This morning's Blade advises that a local minister wants to assist in bringing the parties together. I hope Dan Wagner remains committed to his path in the same manner that Sykes was committed to his.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/06/04/Meeting-of-Sykes-unions-is-sought.html

BTW, congrats to Mr. Wagner for exploring the City Charter and finding a way to censure Sykes.

posted by jimavolt on Jun 04, 2014 at 09:25:25 am     #   2 people liked this