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Checkpoints tonight May 9.

Drunk driving is bad. Don't do it. Seriously.
There are alternatives these days.

Checkpoints are bad too. They have done a poor job of required communicating this time. Where exactly on Central does one go if they'd like to experience a checkpoint?

created by justread on May 09, 2014 at 08:24:09 pm     Legal     Comments: 47

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Personally I think its dumb that they have to announce where and when they will be looking for drunk drivers, then again the folks who drink and drive are pretty stupid so chances of them seeing or caring where and when they will be pulled over is sort of moot.

posted by MIJeff on May 09, 2014 at 09:04:08 pm     #  

Yeah, but being that it is what it is, I kind of like to know where I can go to get questioned and stopped for no reason, since my tax money is providing this enriching experience.

posted by justread on May 09, 2014 at 09:11:53 pm     #   3 people liked this

I'm a member of DAMM, Drinkers Against Mad Mothers

posted by bucknut on May 09, 2014 at 10:29:57 pm     #  

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with checkpoints. Of any kind, for any purpose...

But I will say this: if you guys had known someone killed by a drunk driver, you would not be cracking jokes.

Justread is absolutely right. There ARE alternatives. Call a damn cab. There's more than one taxi company in this area, and those drivers are hard-working folks who would love to have your business and get you home safe.

Better yet: DRINK AT HOME. It's cheaper, you can make a cocktail just how you like it, no annoying morons in the vicinity to harsh your buzz, and best of all, YOU PICK THE MUSIC. Oh, and no risk of drunk driving. That too.

Yeah, but being that it is what it is, I kind of like to know where I can go to get questioned and stopped for no reason, since my tax money is providing this enriching experience.

Wow. In a situation that involves a person driving drunk and possibly killing someone...the use of your tax dollars to snag the person is what pisses you off...? Really?

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 10:48:28 pm     #  

what justread and sohio said

except... sometimes i like others to pick the music... which is why i sure wish i lived within walking distance of the village idiot.... great music; great beers; great crowds

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on May 09, 2014 at 11:05:35 pm     #   1 person liked this

Sohio your letting the ends justify the means. If that were the case why not just go into the bar and arrest anyone that is drunk before they leave the bar. Or why not arrest them as the enter the bar, there is intent to drink there I think. Maybe we should find a way to see who is even thinking fo going to a bar and arrest them at home before they leave to go to the bar. Maybe we should just make alcohol illegal, oops they tried that once didn't they.

posted by MIJeff on May 09, 2014 at 11:09:09 pm     #  

bucknut posted at 10:29:57 PM on May 09, 2014:

I'm a member of DAMM, Drinkers Against Mad Mothers

First of all, it's Drunks Against Mad Mothers. Not 'Drinkers'. Drunks.

Secondly, that's my line. Go get a line of your own.

posted by madjack on May 09, 2014 at 11:12:41 pm     #  

From Sohio: Justread is absolutely right. There ARE alternatives. Call a damn cab. There's more than one taxi company in this area, and those drivers are hard-working folks who would love to have your business and get you home safe.

Call any kind of cab, even a damned cab will work in a pinch. You can also try cadging a ride home with a designated driver who is going your way. Any good bartender will help you find one. If the bartender won't help, just ask around. Explain you're too broke for a cab and you screwed up and drank too much. Promise not to get sick in the car or do stupid stuff. If you strike out on all counts, start walking. I've even seen cops stop and give drunks a ride home - back in the old days, anyway.

Better yet: DRINK AT HOME. It's cheaper, you can make a cocktail just how you like it, no annoying morons in the vicinity to harsh your buzz, and best of all, YOU PICK THE MUSIC. Oh, and no risk of drunk driving. That too.

I'll second that. If you're going to get a little hammered, or even just plain old regular hammered, stay home. You'll be a lot less trouble to the rest of us, and that includes the occasional asshole that, for whatever reason, wants to get into a fight with you.

I have little tolerance for the sloppy, amateur drunk. Here's my last experience with a drunk - read at your own risk: Hit and Run

Cheers!

posted by madjack on May 09, 2014 at 11:24:13 pm     #  

MIJeff posted at 11:09:09 PM on May 09, 2014:

Sohio your letting the ends justify the means. If that were the case why not just go into the bar and arrest anyone that is drunk before they leave the bar. Or why not arrest them as the enter the bar, there is intent to drink there I think. Maybe we should find a way to see who is even thinking fo going to a bar and arrest them at home before they leave to go to the bar. Maybe we should just make alcohol illegal, oops they tried that once didn't they.

You misunderstand me.

I told you: I don't really agree with checkpoints. If you peruse my posting history here, you'll see that I am generally against unfocused enforcement.

All I was saying is that my tangible ire is generally reserved for the more egregious aspects of the situation. I disagree with random checkpoints...but I am much more disdainful of people who drive drunk. One of those things can be opposed intellectually; the other invites a more emotional response. One violates rights, one kills people.

Priorities, man.

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 11:26:47 pm     #  

Ok sorry to have misjudged your statement above, we agree, driving drunk is stupid.

posted by MIJeff on May 09, 2014 at 11:37:29 pm     #  

No harm, no foul.

posted by Sohio on May 09, 2014 at 11:56:05 pm     #  

OK, I'll give you one better:

You all see me as a union apologist/thug, right?

Well, most police in this area are unionized...

And, without knowing for sure, I would assume that running checkpoints requires less unionized cop manpower than having them out patrolling the streets, looking for drunks the old-fashioned way...

So, if for no other reason, I would oppose checkpoints on the basis that it kills jobs for union cops.

So, you see? I'm with you here, guys.

But, even with that said, I STILL get more pissed off by the thought of someone driving drunk and killing someone.

posted by Sohio on May 10, 2014 at 12:30:09 am     #  

You don't really strike me as a thug. No pun intended.

posted by justread on May 10, 2014 at 06:49:34 am     #  

I feel that if they're setting up checkpoints to catch drunk drivers they should lay off the other bs citations

posted by steve155 on May 10, 2014 at 07:39:56 am     #  

justread: you ain't missing much. When you pass through one of these Gestapo zones civil-liberties-do-not-apply zones checkpoints, the cop will shine a flashlight at you, ask you a question like "how are you doing tonight" or "where are you headed tonight," and then the detainment harassment interaction is over.

Unless you are impaired, of course, or unless one of the other cops in the gauntlet fishing expedition checkpoint turns your name up in the computer with outstanding warrants.

Oh, and a quick warning to anyone getting the wise idea of making a U-turn to avoid the delays of the checkpoint: don't. There are always other units lurking about just waiting for a chance to nab someone trying to evade the checkpoint.

posted by historymike on May 10, 2014 at 09:26:08 am     #  

Going back to the return on investment measurement, since we are all footing the bill, when will dawning light hit that the streets are just not full of scallywags anymore. The numbers can't be justified. Yes, yes I realize that without the deterrent there would be wild hordes of grey haired two wheeled marauders on $25,000 machines out after dark terrorizing the citizenry and putting our womenfolk at risk, but those trying to make a living in the service and entertainment industries have suffered enough. The grants and overtimes are offensive. To those who have lost people to senseless vehicle accidents you do have my condolences. A lockdown on all society will not bring them back.

posted by Mariner on May 10, 2014 at 10:11:25 am     #   2 people liked this

They aren't official checkpoints, but if you are driving along Dorr St from Collingwood to Byrne, after dark, don't be surprised when you are stopped at any intersection with a traffic light by highway patrol.

I'm kind of hoping they stop Larry Sykes, because people need to be aware how many people are being stopped for petty reasons or without reason, by highway patrol within the city the past couple years.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 10, 2014 at 10:55:01 am     #  

"I'm kind of hoping they stop Larry Sykes"

That was gold.

posted by justread on May 10, 2014 at 01:30:15 pm     #  

If a white person gets pulled over on Dorr Street by a black cop, can they claim racial profiling?

posted by classylady on May 10, 2014 at 09:03:27 pm     #  

Not really.

posted by justread on May 10, 2014 at 09:09:46 pm     #  

classylady posted at 09:03:27 PM on May 10, 2014:

If a white person gets pulled over on Dorr Street by a black cop, can they claim racial profiling?

They can claim it all they want but the daily rag wouldn't let it see the light of day.

posted by Foodie on May 11, 2014 at 08:11:40 am     #  

That actually happened to me once, I think.

Up in one of Michigan's larger cities. On my way to work at 3am, I got detoured by a closed road (water main break, or something), and since I was not from around there, I got lost (there was no actual detour route marked...I guess they figured you'd make it around one way or another). I was pulled over by a cop, who happened to be black. He never really told me why he pulled me over, but he was nice enough and told me how to get back to where I wanted to be.

I got to work, and told the guy I was relieving what happened. He asked where it happened, and when I told him, he said "AHHH. You just got profiled." I found that hard to believe...who would suspect lil' ole me of being up to no good?

Apparently, the neighborhood I was in was predominately black, and even had a vaguely racist name attached to it that indicated that fact. The stigma is that white people only venture into the area to buy drugs. About a year later, I was talking off the record to an off duty cop from that city, and he agreed: the cop was profiling me.

So, it DOES happen.

posted by Sohio on May 11, 2014 at 08:44:41 am     #  

Had it happen in Benton Harbor - St. Joe Mi. too. Naive thought they were looking out for my welfare.

posted by Mariner on May 11, 2014 at 09:56:48 am     #  

Sohio posted at 08:44:41 AM on May 11, 2014:

That actually happened to me once, I think.

Up in one of Michigan's larger cities. On my way to work at 3am, I got detoured by a closed road (water main break, or something), and since I was not from around there, I got lost (there was no actual detour route marked...I guess they figured you'd make it around one way or another). I was pulled over by a cop, who happened to be black. He never really told me why he pulled me over, but he was nice enough and told me how to get back to where I wanted to be.

I got to work, and told the guy I was relieving what happened. He asked where it happened, and when I told him, he said "AHHH. You just got profiled." I found that hard to believe...who would suspect lil' ole me of being up to no good?

Apparently, the neighborhood I was in was predominately black, and even had a vaguely racist name attached to it that indicated that fact. The stigma is that white people only venture into the area to buy drugs. About a year later, I was talking off the record to an off duty cop from that city, and he agreed: the cop was profiling me.

So, it DOES happen.

Just not on Dorr St., which was the question.

posted by justread on May 11, 2014 at 10:35:53 am     #  

Drove downtown last night around midnight and saw two different motorists stopped by troopers. Needless to say I drove home later using a different route.

Seeing two stopped is less than other nights. Two weekends ago I saw five different motorists stopped by troopers along Dorr between Collingwood and Douglass.

They aren't only on the state routes, but they're mostly there so avoid driving state routes if possible...especially at night. And if you've had too much to drink, definitely use an alternative route or ride a taxi.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 11, 2014 at 10:58:02 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 10:58:02 AM on May 11, 2014:

Drove downtown last night around midnight and saw two different motorists stopped by troopers. Needless to say I drove home later using a different route.

Seeing two stopped is less than other nights. Two weekends ago I saw five different motorists stopped by troopers along Dorr between Collingwood and Douglass.

They aren't only on the state routes, but they're mostly there so avoid driving state routes if possible...especially at night. And if you've had too much to drink, definitely use an alternative route or ride a taxi.

NO, if you have had too much to drink find another way home, either someone sober drives or get another ride aka taxi or friend. Suggesting they find an "alternate route" sound like condoning drunk driving.

posted by MIJeff on May 11, 2014 at 11:26:57 am     #  

Actually MIJeff, I believe in grown folks knowing there are consequences for their actions, so you can climb back down from your soapbox.

Maybe you ought to stand at the checkpoints and do your part to assist the American police state which condones stopping people at checkpoints who haven't done anything.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 11, 2014 at 12:02:44 pm     #  

MIJeff, personally I think its dumb that they have to announce where and when they will be looking for drunk drivers.

Personally, I think these checkpoints should be altogether illegal, whether announced or not. Police should be able to spot drunk drivers while performing their normal duties, but instead have decided to violate other drivers' rights with stopping everyone driving through a chosen area.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 11, 2014 at 12:06:53 pm     #   4 people liked this

It was less cumbersome to cross from West Berlin to East while we ran Operation Vidals the airlift to feed Berliners post WWII than to travel the outlying areas of Toledo. Go for those single guys alone in a car (no witnesses) on a Friday nite after they have worked all week and can hire the mouthpiece and pay the fines. Cramp them down for the next 5yrs they won't make a sound. Thing is, when they are back on their feet, they run like jackrabbits never to return leaving the paunchy oldsters with all the peace they can handle. Smart move.

posted by Mariner on May 11, 2014 at 12:40:30 pm     #  

6th, I don't know if you thought I approved of the Nazi tactics of sobriety checkpoints, I actually don't. They have continued to lower the standard they consider drunk to where just sniffing an alcoholic drink just about makes you flunk their tests.

posted by MIJeff on May 11, 2014 at 01:35:48 pm     #  

Sohio posted at 11:56:05 PM on May 09, 2014:

No harm, no foul.

That's how the drinking laws should be enforced.

posted by bucknut on May 11, 2014 at 04:51:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

OHP has been patrolling a lot of the state route roads within the city limit

posted by Hoops on May 11, 2014 at 08:18:04 pm     #  

I was driving in a 7 series BMW on C street in North Toledo, which is a predominately African American neighborhood..driving slowly looking at houses for sale as my father-in-law was a real estate investor at the time.

We were pulled over by TPD and asked what were were doing. We were let go. I was told that they assumed we were looking to by drugs.

For what it is worth, I am a European-American and a 10th generation American.

I feel Mr. Sykes pain! :-)

posted by Dappling2 on May 11, 2014 at 10:41:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

Sorry for the typos! "By = buy" and "Sykes = Sykes' "

posted by Dappling2 on May 11, 2014 at 10:45:26 pm     #  

Mariner posted at 09:56:48 AM on May 11, 2014:

Had it happen in Benton Harbor - St. Joe Mi. too. Naive thought they were looking out for my welfare.

Yeah, good old Benton Harbor. I had a contract with Whirlpool that lasted about 6 months, and my co-workers told me right up front to stay out of Benton Harbor after dark. Another man told me that the people in St. Joe discriminated on the real estate sales, but that it was better than it used to be.

When I was there the cops in St. Joe would pull you over for very minor infractions of the law, and the police had a penchant for pulling over teenagers, especially if loud music was involved. Boom cars were not tolerated in St. Joe.

posted by madjack on May 12, 2014 at 09:24:44 am     #  

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/06/02/3.html

Five hours, nearly 1700 cars, and a total of three arrests. It's not hard to make three arrests just doing regular patrol.

posted by clt212 on Jun 02, 2014 at 11:56:49 am     #  

They were probably looking for Larry Sykes.

posted by justread on Jun 02, 2014 at 12:43:56 pm     #   3 people liked this

First of all, Do NOT drink and drive.

(Secondly that would include but not be limited to the 2500 block of Woodville between 9PM and 2AM where they will have a checkpoint tonight.)

posted by justread on Jun 06, 2014 at 07:02:02 pm     #  

:-D

posted by paulhem on Jun 06, 2014 at 07:31:29 pm     #  

Your papers please

posted by bucknut on Jun 06, 2014 at 09:59:09 pm     #  

600+ checks

zero arrests
return on expenditure - priceless

Would the very last person leaving Lucas County please turn all the lights off and make sure the sidewalks are completely rolled up.

posted by Mariner on Jun 07, 2014 at 06:32:48 am     #  

And tonight-McCord rd in Toledo from 12am-3am, AND crissey rd-holland. 8pm-11pm

posted by ahmahler on Jun 07, 2014 at 04:08:48 pm     #  

Fishing expeditions, don't forget to ask if they have their licenses for catching drunken trout.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 07, 2014 at 05:01:14 pm     #  

Ahmahler - If you don't mind me asking, how and when did you learn of the checkpoints? Highway Patrol protocol calls for the locations to be released in general terms "about a week" before the event is conducted and then specific information is released "a few hours" before the event. I didn't see anything in the hard copy of the Blade in the mornings preceding the checkpoints.

What was your source of the information?

posted by jimavolt on Jun 09, 2014 at 12:14:39 pm     #  

The local TV stations' newscasts as well as their websites tell you where and when the checkpoints will be.

posted by Mike21 on Jun 09, 2014 at 12:57:26 pm     #  

I receive email alerts-typically they roll in the day of checkpoints

posted by ahmahler on Jun 09, 2014 at 12:58:27 pm     #  

They had a gestapo checkpoint, I mean safety checkpoint on River Rd Friday night between Grand Rapids and Napoleon. A friend went through there and when he told them that he didn't drink they didn't believe him and gave him a big hassle.
He mistakenly thought he was a free man and could travel between his home and cottage without being stopped and hassled. Nope.
If we save one life, the forfeiture of our freedoms will have been worthwhile. Right?

posted by justread on Jun 09, 2014 at 01:02:34 pm     #   2 people liked this