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Bring Lucky's Market to Erie Street Market

The Toledo Warehouse District Association has created a Facebook page dedicated to why Downtown Toledo is the perfect location for a Lucky's Market. Lucky's has seen the space and likes it. If you're in support, please check out the page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/420180734788243/

created by Brewster on Jun 03, 2014 at 12:36:05 pm     Comments: 44

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After checking out their weekly specials, all I can say is, yes, please!

As a downtown worker, this sounds like a perfect, healthy alternative to my normal "OMG what are we going to eat tonight" panic each evening.

Hey, Lucky's, c'mon over here! I know a busy mom who would stop in a coupe of times a week!

posted by Anniecski on Jun 04, 2014 at 09:49:55 am     #  

I can't imagine the critter control they would need. That is one aspect i can't get over. When I was a kid, my Step Dad managed a building downtown. The rats were huge and as he said - unavoidable.

posted by Molsonator on Jun 04, 2014 at 10:34:01 am     #  

Huh... in all of my years downtown (i lived for 6 years, and then subsequently worked for 3) I never saw a rat or any other rodent.

posted by upso on Jun 04, 2014 at 11:49:52 am     #   3 people liked this

I second that. After three building renos, I have yet to see a rat. Tons of birds, a few bats, and a raccoon, but no rats.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 04, 2014 at 12:22:57 pm     #   3 people liked this

Come on guys..after having their rat burrows repeatedly stalked by 6th Floor and filmed by Econocat, all of the rats said "Enough is a Enough" and moved out to the 'burbs.

Def. "Ratflight" (n) - the final stage of urban decay.

posted by Dappling2 on Jun 04, 2014 at 01:02:36 pm     #   2 people liked this

I'd LOVE to see this market come to town and locate in the ESM. With the growing residential population downtown, I have to believe it could be viable. Though I'm not a downtown dweller, I'd certainly support it and have to believe others like me would as well. It would be a very short detour on my way home through downtown each evening.

And, it would have to be more pleasant than what the Point Place Kroger has become.

posted by Foodie on Jun 04, 2014 at 01:27:39 pm     #   2 people liked this

Ok...Ok...Ok... My childhood memories come back to haunt me every so often..... You should have seen the size of them....

posted by Molsonator on Jun 04, 2014 at 01:55:23 pm     #   1 person liked this

Wait a minute. Molsonator.
The rats that you saw as a child...

Were they all seated around a semi-circular table with nameplates and microphones in front of each of them? I think those rats are still downtown, and as your uncle mentioned, unavoidable.

posted by justread on Jun 04, 2014 at 02:07:12 pm     #  

I think Jerry Chabler is the only one still alive. He was the original Mr. T with all the medallions/jewelry he wore.

posted by Molsonator on Jun 04, 2014 at 02:15:27 pm     #  

posted by justareviewer on Jun 04, 2014 at 03:23:22 pm     #   2 people liked this

Hey Annieski and Foodie: would you mind sharing the page with your comments (if you're on FB)? Or even leave comments as such on that page directly. Your words are exactly what Lucky's execs need to hear. They love Toledo and see the potential. They've visited several times, so Toledo should show the love back. Thank you for your support!!

posted by Brewster on Jun 04, 2014 at 06:16:01 pm     #  

My guess is you don't want me to mention the rats the size of dogs?

posted by Molsonator on Jun 04, 2014 at 06:19:23 pm     #   3 people liked this

Molsonator posted at 06:19:23 PM on Jun 04, 2014:

My guess is you don't want me to mention the rats the size of dogs?

small dogs.

posted by slowsol on Jun 04, 2014 at 07:02:37 pm     #   2 people liked this

What's small to a dog is not small to someone coming out of a gin mill at 2:30 in the morning and finding a rat pack orbiting the parking lot. The rats were the size of terriers. I nailed three with my .45 before one of the bastards called 9-1-1. The rest ran down the sewer hole.

I'm telling you, rats. You don't have to take my word for it, either. Just look at the articles The Blade wrote about rats.

posted by madjack on Jun 04, 2014 at 08:04:06 pm     #  

Which three of the five did you nail with your .45?

Peter Lawford
Joey Bishop
Dean Martin
Sammy Davis, Jr.
Frank Sinatra

posted by justread on Jun 04, 2014 at 09:18:29 pm     #  

Since all are dead, he must have been a better shot than he remembers..........

posted by Foodie on Jun 04, 2014 at 09:29:27 pm     #   1 person liked this

Maybe there were two magic bullets involved...

posted by Johio83 on Jun 04, 2014 at 10:33:41 pm     #  

So now the WHD and ESM are such pristine grounds that are possibly absent rats and rodents? Some of you folks are simply too much.

Unless Lucky's is going to receive bags of subsidy/grant cash to locate at ESM, they are complete fools. And if they stick around too long they'll be fools regardless, because the ESM is and will remain a dead zone.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 04, 2014 at 11:36:38 pm     #  

And what exactly is your expertise on the matter, 6th? Since you apparently feel enough authority on the matter to tell people with first hand knowledge that they're lying.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 05, 2014 at 12:17:30 am     #   1 person liked this

I'm assuming your mention is regarding the grocery store and not the rats and rodents.

Aren't the past 15 years enough example that ESM is a dead zone? The downtown population has increased, but let's get serious here. Where else in the world does a grocery store and a population increase of 700 residents since 2000 (an average of 50 per year), elicit as much hoopla?

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 05, 2014 at 01:13:09 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 12:17:30 AM on Jun 05, 2014:

And what exactly is your expertise on the matter, 6th? Since you apparently feel enough authority on the matter to tell people with first hand knowledge that they're lying.

Wait a minute. Not seeing a rat is first hand knowledge of the absence of rats?

posted by justread on Jun 05, 2014 at 05:59:49 am     #  

Downtown rats are not nearly as big as these Rats:

posted by historymike on Jun 05, 2014 at 06:35:45 am     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 05:59:49 AM on Jun 05, 2014:
Johio83 posted at 12:17:30 AM on Jun 05, 2014:

And what exactly is your expertise on the matter, 6th? Since you apparently feel enough authority on the matter to tell people with first hand knowledge that they're lying.

Wait a minute. Not seeing a rat is first hand knowledge of the absence of rats?

Hold on now, don't twist the conversation. The original comment was that the rats around downtown are so big that they'd ward off any potential investment. Upso and I responded that, in our first hand experiences in the area (which 6th has none, to my knowledge, and based on the fact that he didn't provide any when asked for it), we've never encountered rats, so this talk of monsters roaming our streets in years past is probably not the case anymore.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 05, 2014 at 09:09:57 am     #   4 people liked this

I've only seen one giant rat downtown, but it was the 4 freakishly large masked turtles that he hangs around with that have me more worried.

posted by JoeyGee on Jun 05, 2014 at 09:38:17 am     #   1 person liked this

Ok - I am sorry for bringing up my fears. I am some what of a germaphobe anyways. My phobic fears are thinking - open food coupled with its location near Swan Creek and the age of the building.

But hay consider the source. I hate shopping at Meier Store because I hate buying my food next to a guy buying a shovel and underwear.

posted by Molsonator on Jun 05, 2014 at 10:08:39 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 09:09:57 AM on Jun 05, 2014:
justread posted at 05:59:49 AM on Jun 05, 2014:
Johio83 posted at 12:17:30 AM on Jun 05, 2014:

And what exactly is your expertise on the matter, 6th? Since you apparently feel enough authority on the matter to tell people with first hand knowledge that they're lying.

Wait a minute. Not seeing a rat is first hand knowledge of the absence of rats?

Hold on now, don't twist the conversation. The original comment was that the rats around downtown are so big that they'd ward off any potential investment. Upso and I responded that, in our first hand experiences in the area (which 6th has none, to my knowledge, and based on the fact that he didn't provide any when asked for it), we've never encountered rats, so this talk of monsters roaming our streets in years past is probably not the case anymore.

I'm wasn't twisting. I was just asking. But speaking of twisting, here was the original comment that preceded you and upso adding your anecdotal experience to the mix:

"I can't imagine the critter control they would need. That is one aspect i can't get over. When I was a kid, my Step Dad managed a building downtown. The rats were huge and as he said - unavoidable."

In the 90s, I had a building on St. Clair. I saw rats. So, some folks have seen them and some folks have not. Seeing them is no more evidence that they are about to take over the world as not seeing them is evidence that they don't exist. Norway rats are an actual issue for the waterfront and even the residential neighborhoods around the city. Fact. Documented.

I didn't see the sun set last night. That is not proof that it didn't go down.
I've never been shot. So there are no gun crimes.
I've never had a house fire, so the fire department is unnecessary.

"I've never seen a rat, so there are no rats" follows the same logic.

I don't particularly care, but yes, every city has rats, and yes they exist. Plenty of Blade articles on the topic and plenty of codes in place to help mitigate the problem. Even our sheds must have rat walls per city code now.

posted by justread on Jun 05, 2014 at 10:34:57 am     #  

I do appreciate the continuation of the "anti-rat story" campaign. After all, these are the kinds of stories that get told for years to come.

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/127818/Spaghetti_Warehouse

posted by justread on Jun 05, 2014 at 10:43:13 am     #  

Molsonator posted at 10:08:39 AM on Jun 05, 2014:

Ok - I am sorry for bringing up my fears. I am some what of a germaphobe anyways. My phobic fears are thinking - open food coupled with its location near Swan Creek and the age of the building.

But hay consider the source. I hate shopping at Meier Store because I hate buying my food next to a guy buying a shovel and underwear.

Yeah, Swan Creek is definitely a huge piece to the downtown puzzle. A waterway that could be beautiful, but is completely neglected and treated more like a trash heap. If a grocery store like Lucky's happens at the ESM, I think that would light a fire under the city to focus their efforts on the riverwalk idea that was floating around pre-recession.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 05, 2014 at 11:59:58 am     #   2 people liked this

I've never done it myself, but lots of my friends do urban canoe trips with a drop off point at Swan Creek in the warehouse district. It's usable... just needs a clean up and a little reframing!

posted by upso on Jun 05, 2014 at 12:18:13 pm     #   3 people liked this

Last September, a friend and I cleaned up a small portion of the bank along Swan Creek by the farmers market because it was littered with trash, and invasive plants crowded the native flowers. We conducted our little operation very early on a Sunday morning, so that nobody would see us. We didn't have permission to do a river bank cleanup. We observed the mess the day before, and my friend said we should do something. It looked nice when we were done. But within a few weeks or so, the bank was littered with trash again. I guess people must think that a river bank is some kind of garbage can.


Is the Swan Creek pontoon ride still offered? I haven't noticed the signs, during my visits to the farmers market.

Swan Creek Explorer Tour Boat Ride :

Some pics from an August 2006 boat ride, which was a $5 pontoon boat ride up and down Swan Creek in the Warehouse District and then out into the Maumee River from the MLK bridge to the Anthony Wayne bridge and then back to the Erie Street Market. ( 40 smaller photos inside )

A couple of the photos:

posted by jr on Jun 05, 2014 at 12:53:57 pm     #  

"urban canoe trips" - You mean Urban Deliverance!

posted by Molsonator on Jun 05, 2014 at 01:05:59 pm     #  

You guys did a covert ops cleanup? That's freakin awesome! If that ever comes up again, seriously, shoot me a message and I'll be there!

posted by Johio83 on Jun 05, 2014 at 02:30:38 pm     #  

Sure gots a purty toof

posted by MIJeff on Jun 05, 2014 at 02:34:41 pm     #   1 person liked this

Heard from a decent source today that if ever, Lucky's won't happen at least until the nearby highway construction has been completed.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 27, 2014 at 05:16:02 pm     #  

I asked because eventually "A decision about Lucky's will be made next month" fades into just another downtown fairytale.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 27, 2014 at 05:18:10 pm     #  

I thought that was already covered? I've been told repeatedly it's not happening any time soon, if ever.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/420180734788243/

posted by upso on Aug 27, 2014 at 05:48:48 pm     #  

"I know a busy mom who would stop in a coupe of times a week!"

If she traded the coupe in for a minivan, she could go just once and get everything. :)

posted by justread on Aug 28, 2014 at 06:47:34 am     #  

I believe the RATS were a deal breaker.

posted by Molsonator on Aug 28, 2014 at 07:05:16 am     #  

upso posted at 05:48:48 PM on Aug 27, 2014:

I thought that was already covered? I've been told repeatedly it's not happening any time soon, if ever.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/420180734788243/

shit. :(

posted by endcycle on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:01:55 pm     #  

Yeah, ODOT plans on completely reworking the exit ramps from I-75 in that area over the next couple years. Hard to blame Lucky's for not wanting to open a grocery store right before a major construction project happens next door.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:25:31 pm     #  

justread posted at 06:47:34 AM on Aug 28, 2014:

"I know a busy mom who would stop in a coupe of times a week!"

If she traded the coupe in for a minivan, she could go just once and get everything. :)

But Stacy's mom has got it goin' on...

posted by oldhometown on Aug 28, 2014 at 02:55:15 pm     #   1 person liked this

Geez, justread, get a life. You have nothing better to do than go trolling for my typos?

posted by Anniecski on Aug 28, 2014 at 04:41:08 pm     #   4 people liked this

I stumbled on it, actually. You weren't actually on my mind at the time, as hard as that may be to believe.

I assumed it was safe and that you'd be a good sport about it, and nobody else would even go back and see who originally made typo.

Knowing of your propensity to immediately volunteer for service as a victim, I'll be very careful not to post anything that requires you to have a sense of humor in the future.

posted by justread on Aug 28, 2014 at 05:06:14 pm     #   4 people liked this

But does she have a daughter named Stacy?

posted by MIJeff on Aug 28, 2014 at 06:16:28 pm     #