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Blade blight article. Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2014/06/15/Blight-scars-city.html

"For thousands of residents, Toledo has turned into a tattered town, a scary place where rats and raccoons scurry in tall weeds, where pimps, hookers, and gangs do business on street corners or in fancy cars cruising potholed streets."
-Janet Romaker as Opal Covey.

So when Econcat88 does it, it's negativism that will set this town back 100 years. When the Blade does it, it's journalism. Although I think Econcat has less opinion in his journalism.

So they want people who are upside down on old properties that will never recover to invest at their own loss out of the principles involved. Yet they are walking away from their own infrastructure because they can't afford to keep printing at that old building. And 130 people get to lose their jobs.
Meanwhile Sinclair broadcasting invests heavily on Byrne Road and is roundly demonized by BCI and all her entities over a contractual negotiation to which the citizens are not a party.

They want to tell us how dangerous and scary parts of Toledo have become, but they hammer away at gun control.

They say Econcat88 did damage to our image as a community.

But one must wonder what has been the effect of decades of hypervetting, political favoritism, editorial agendas, public shaming and criticism of those who don't fall into line, and the resistance of business and industry to enter the shark-filled waters on the loss of jobs and the loss of 100,000 people in one generation.
The Blade role in the loss of 130 jobs and decline of one building is clear. The Blade role in the loss of thousands more and the decline of an entire city can only be guessed.

People say we have one party control in Lucas County. We do. But neither Democrat or Republican influence can compare to the influence of one dysfunctional generation of a family that once did so much for this community. But that generation inherited a powerful sword only to use it to cut the diversity from public opinion in this area and scare away talented and visionary people with the resources to make a difference. Had they only inherited the wisdom, leadership and confidence that would have enabled them to wield that sword with greater fairness and for the benefit of the community, things may have been different.

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The best thing that Mayor Collins can do for Toledo is to ignore suggestions from Jack Ford, Carty Finkbeiner, and the Blade. Those three have done enough for/to Toledo over the past 20 years, so they need to take a break and let someone else originate ideas.

Collins has been mayor of Toledo for only five months, and he has his own team and platform. He does not need help from those other three.

Jack Ford got elected to Toledo City Council in 1993. He has been elected/appointed to:

  • state government
  • mayor of Toledo
  • Toledo Public School Board
  • Toledo City Council again in 2013
  • and he plans to abandon his second go-around on city council after only one year by running for a state position in November 2014 against Edna Brown

Ford has a plan for Toledo. In my opinion, Ford is placating the Blade in order to win the Blade's endorsement for this fall's election.

Ford's 2014 plan differs from his idea back in 2007 when Jack Ford said about Toledo:

We need more white folks with middle-class paychecks.

On this blight issue, it seems that Mayor Collins and Jack Ford disagree on what to do next. Maybe Ford can break out his Malcolm X poster to intimidate Collins.

From a 2005 story

[Mayor Ford] also got laughs when he talked about some white businessmen’s reactions to artwork in his office on the 22nd floor of Government Center. One is a picture of Muhammad Ali. The other is of Malcolm X, the more militant Civil Rights Movement peer of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"That’s so when folks come in there, I want them to see instantly what time of day it is. Literally, business guys have come in there and their legs buckle. They come in and say ‘Oh my gosh, the mayor’s got Malcolm X on his wall.’ That means we’re going to do the right thing; that’s why that picture’s up there," Mayor Ford said.

Ford though that was funny. To me, it seems classless and infantile. It appears to me that Ford did not take the role of mayor of Toledo seriously.

In June 2007, the Toledo Public School board chose Jack Ford to fill a vacant spot on the board. A handful of people applied for the position.

Excerpts from my June 2007 comment

Yeah, the vote by the board members went as expected.

The level of political inbreeding that exists in Toledo is staggering, and it's a major reason for the problems in the city and the school system.

Current mayor recommends a former mayor. The daily paper endorses the same candidate and practically threatens the other board members to vote for Ford. Status quo. Failure.

And so it goes for Toledo and TPS. Three-term Carty, Ford, Foley. It's amazing, yet it should no longer be surprising.

And I don't how someone gets serious consideration for the school board when he expresses his half-ass interest by scribbling on a teacher's application like Ford did.

The other candidates for that open school board position in 2007 submitted formal resumes and cover letters, but Ford did not. In my opinion, Ford felt that since he was Jack Ford, former mayor of Toledo, that he was exempt from properly applying for the school board position. But Ford had to submit something, so he hand-scribbled ineligibly on a teacher's application.

These are images of Ford's blighted application for the 2007 school board position, which apparently contained an incorrect home address and a phone number that did not work. It seems like a bad example to set for the children.


In my opinion, during the application process for that 2007 school board position, Ford showed a lack of respect for the job, no attention to detail, and unprofessional behavior.

Ford's past classless actions disqualify him from being taken seriously today.

Carty is not worth listening to either. The Blade continues to seek feedback from Carty and Ford on Toledo's problems, and the irony of that is delicious.

posted by jr on Jun 22, 2014 at 01:27:17 am     #   13 people liked this

paulhem posted at 10:12:18 PM on Jun 21, 2014:

And if you can't make a specific logical argument, then become a demagogue by attempting to politicize the discussion.

Yeah. Bush did it.

1.) I thought I was being ignored by you because of my "Blade-hate macro." Apparently not. <shrug>

2.) An appropriate quote by a politician does not "politicize" the argument. If Ralph Nader would have said it, I would have quoted him. If the pope would have said it, I would have quoted him. If Eddie, the crazy homeless guy who shits his pants while talking to you, said it, I would have quoted him.

It so happens the President summed the philosophy which you repeatedly espouse as THE significant reason Mike Sallah won a Pulitzer--the Blocks and their newspaper. Not Sallah's talent, drive, investigative skills (not to mention his partners' s drive and skills). Nope, the "chance of a shot" Sallah got was due to the opportunity to work for the Blade and the Block family.

Oh yeah, I forgot--you said the reporters were "great"........and then in the same sentence you again said "without the CURRENT generation of Blocks there would have been no Pulitzer." Yep, all good things stem from your awesome employer.

By that logic, Sallah should also thank the members of Tiger Force for the opportunity to win a Pulitzer Prize. After all, without them beheading babies, making necklaces out of human ears, collecting the scalps of Vietnamese villagers, and other assorted brutalities, Sallah would not have a "chance at a shot" at a Pulitzer either. There would have been no other compelling stories. Just like there are no other places where he could have worked and earned a Pulitzer.

3.) Demagogue?

dem·a·gogue noun \ˈde-mə-ˌgäg\
a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason

(a) I'm not a political leader
(b) Show me where I'm trying to get "support" by ****false claims and promises.***** I pointed out what you said and what a political leader said are completely analogous. That's it.
© Emotion rather than reason? I merely demonstrate your perspective is skewed.

4.) Since the Blade hasn't won a Pulitzer since 2004, does that mean the Blocks no longer make the investments and decisions that lead to Pulitzer Prizes?

posted by oldhometown on Jun 22, 2014 at 07:34:12 am     #   6 people liked this

The Blade invests in Mike Sallah= Pulitzer
The Miami Herald invests in Mike Sallah= Pulitzer

The Blade invests in Ben Konop= nothing

Sometimes its the performance of the stock, not the investor.

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2014 at 08:29:32 am     #   7 people liked this

If the publishers of The Blade deserve to have toes on the stage with the winners of the Pulitzer simply because they hired and paid them, do they not deserve to be storm chasing with Allan Detrich?

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2014 at 09:01:00 am     #   1 person liked this

justread:

I do like your sense of humor.

However, it makes me think you are doing a little rabble-rousing. And I think the other posters are intelligent people. So, I have found it hard to believe that oldhometown actually believes his twisted logic. Yeah, I know that "demagogue" refers to a politician. So, perhaps you are not a professional politician. However, you are playing political games, so it the shoe fits...

Times Wins Four Pulitzers; Brooklyn Nonprofit Is Awarded a Reporting Prize

By CHRISTINE HAUGHNEY

The New York Times won four Pulitzer Prizes on Monday, including two awards for its reporting on the actions of companies like Apple and Wal-Mart overseas, and another for an examination of the hidden wealth of the Chinese premier’s family.

In a sign of the changing news business, an independent nonprofit organization based in Brooklyn, InsideClimate News, won the prize for national reporting for its coverage of dangers posed by oil pipelines.

The fiction prize, which was not awarded last year, went to Adam Johnson for “The Orphan Master’s Son.” The prize for general nonfiction was awarded to “Devil in the Grove: Thurgood Marshall, the Groveland Boys and the Dawn of a New America,” by Gilbert King.

The Star Tribune in Minneapolis won two Pulitzers, one for local reporting on the rise in infant deaths at badly regulated day care centers and another for editorial cartooning by Steve Sack. The Wall Street Journal won one Pulitzer Prize for Bret Stephens’s commentary on politics and American foreign policy.

The Washington Post won a Pulitzer Prize for Philip Kennicott’s criticism of art and the social forces that underlie it, including an examination of the allure of violence and misfortune in an essay after the Newtown school shootings called “Why Do We Stare?”

The fourth award for The Times went to John Branch for his feature “Snow Fall,” on a fatal avalanche in the Cascade Mountains in Washington State, which, the Pulitzer committee noted, was “enhanced by its deft integration of multimedia elements” including extensive video, animation and graphics. This is the third highest number of Pulitzer Prizes that The Times has won in a single year. (It won five in 2009 and seven in 2002.)

The Denver Post won in the breaking news category for its coverage of the theater shootings last summer in Aurora, Colo. The Pulitzer committee recognized how The Post’s reporting staff used social media tools like Twitter, Facebook and video to “capture a breaking story and provide context.” A finalist in the same category was the staff of The Hartford Courant for its coverage of the Newtown school massacre.

The Sun Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., received its first Pulitzer, winning in the public service category for its reporting on how off-duty police officers were often speeders who endangered the lives of residents.

The prizes were especially valued in 2012 because so many news organizations were battling their own financial troubles. The Washington Post won one award and was a finalist for four others, even as the company endured a change in executive editors and found its financial situation under scrutiny. In an interview, Mr. Kennicott said that The Post had made sure that he felt that these financial and management changes would not affect his ability to focus on his work.

While the board that administers the Pulitzers started including online-only news sites in its awards in 2009, InsideClimateNews.com is by far the smallest of such winners. InsideClimate News described itself as a five-year nonprofit organization financed by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Marisla Foundation and the Grantham Foundation for the Protection of the Environment. Its newsroom currently includes only seven full-time journalists.

David Sassoon, founder and publisher of the news site, said his staff members celebrated on a telephone conference call because they work from their homes.

“We’re just thrilled with this recognition,” Mr. Sassoon said in a telephone interview. “It really helps a small outlet like us.” How? “Hopefully we’ll be able to raise more funds, to expand, which is what we want to do.” He joked that now that they have a Pulitzer, “more sources will call us back.”

The publishing industry was watching the fiction award closely after the Pulitzer board declined to award the prize in 2012. In addition to the winner, “The Orphan Master’s Son,” there were two finalists: “What We Talk About When We Talk About Anne Frank,” by Nathan Englander, and “The Snow Child,” by Eowyn Ivey. Tom Reiss won the biography prize for “The Black Count: Glory, Revolution, Betrayal and the Real Count of Monte Cristo.”

Ayad Akhtar won the drama award for “Disgraced,” a play about a corporate lawyer who long disguises his Pakistani Muslim heritage, and Sharon Olds won the poetry award for “Stag’s Leap.”

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: April 15, 2013

An earlier version of this article misstated the name of the winner of the Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning. He is Steve Sack, not Steve Sacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/business/media/the-times-wins-four-pulitzer-prizes.html?_r=0

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 11:55:01 am     #  

The above clearly demonstrates that news organizations retain their Pulitzer prize. Of course, so do the writers.

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 11:56:42 am     #  

I wish every thread about a story reported in the Blade didn't turn into a thread about the Blade itself.

posted by Ace_Face on Jun 22, 2014 at 12:09:50 pm     #   7 people liked this

Sounds like taking credit for the hard work of others is the norm for newspapers, sure they supply them with the opportunity but that same reporter could of wrote that story anywhere, and today could self publish on the internet, bypassing the newspaper altogether, scary thought for the newspaper industry, probably why they look down their nose at online amateur reporters with such disdain. Really brings out the elitist in their souls I think.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 22, 2014 at 01:25:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

Ace_Face posted at 12:09:50 PM on Jun 22, 2014:

I wish every thread about a story reported in the Blade didn't turn into a thread about the Blade itself.

Taking a leap that I understand the perspective of the original poster, it was as much a thread about the story as the Blade itself.

But I still know what you mean, I think.

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2014 at 01:38:50 pm     #  

MIJeff:

It looks like The broadcast people do the same thing. Edward R Murrow Award gets claimed by the station, not the reporters, photographers and videographers.

http://rtdna.org/content/2014_national_edward_r_murrow_award_winners

On an academic note. I wonder what affect media convergence will have on these awards in the future.

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 03:02:13 pm     #  

Comcast or Buckeye will claim the awards.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 22, 2014 at 03:10:58 pm     #  

MIJeff: I do think your point about "amateur reporters or writers" is one to watch.

I continue to believe that technology would support amateur reporters writing with people who currently reporters turning into editors.

That includes video. No longer does it take tens of thousands of dollars to produce video that's "good enough" for news.

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 03:24:29 pm     #  

After going around and around about that reread the original comment where this started.

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/178241#178633

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 03:28:12 pm     #  

I have found it hard to believe that oldhometown actually believes his twisted logic. Yeah, I know that "demagogue" refers to a politician. So, perhaps you are not a professional politician. However, you are playing political games, so it the shoe fits...

Your judgment or comprehension is poor. All I did was highlight/spotlight that the prevailing thought behind your statement (and in many other minds when the subject area is broadened out) is that the institution deserves more credit than the individual when great things happen like a Pulitzer. I believe, in this case, that perspective to be rather discourteous to the reporter(s) who were the ones putting in the late nights/long hours. This perspective is neatly, cleanly summarized in the statement I quoted.

The Blade, as an institution in a position of leadership, can claim its share of the Pulitzer all it wants--dandy. I have zero argument with the Blade claiming to be a place where Pulitzer-level work has occurred. However, a representative of the publisher(s), the social media manager, saying "without US, none of ______ would have occurred" is self-aggrandizing and boastful. It's also "small" at the same time. I don't have a clue why it is so important that the Blocks be feted for the work of others, but apparently it is.

I'm soooooo twisted.

Since you like quotes, here are a few to chew on about leadership. Some of these may come from politicians. Oh no...

"It is better to lead from behind and to put others in front, especially when you celebrate victory when nice things occur. You take the front line when there is danger. Then people will appreciate your leadership." -- Nelson Mandela

"A good leader takes a little more than his share of the blame, a little less than his share of the credit." -- Arnold Glasow

"A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves." -- Lao Tzu

"No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself or get all the credit for doing it." -- Andrew Carnegie

"You're only as good as the people you hire." -- Ray Kroc

"Leadership is a privilege to better the lives of others. It is not an opportunity to satisfy personal greed." -- Mwai Kibaki

"You don't lead by hitting people over the head - that's assault, not leadership." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower

posted by oldhometown on Jun 22, 2014 at 03:31:52 pm     #   3 people liked this

I have found it hard to believe that oldhometown actually believes his twisted logic. Yeah, I know that "demagogue" refers to a politician. So, perhaps you are not a professional politician. However, you are playing political games, so it the shoe fits...

Your judgment or comprehension is poor. All I did was highlight/spotlight that the prevailing thought behind your statement (and in many other minds when the subject area is broadened out) is that the institution deserves more credit than the individual when great things happen like a Pulitzer. I believe, in this case, that perspective to be rather discourteous to the reporter(s) who were the ones putting in the late nights/long hours. This perspective is neatly, cleanly summarized in the statement I quoted.

The Blade, as an institution in a position of leadership, can claim its share of the Pulitzer all it wants--dandy. I have zero argument with the Blade claiming to be a place where Pulitzer-level work has occurred. However, a representative of the publisher(s), the social media manager, saying "without US, none of ______ would have occurred" is self-aggrandizing and boastful. It's also "small" at the same time. I don't have a clue why it is so important that the Blocks be feted for the work of others, but apparently it is.

I'm soooooo twisted.

Since you like quotes, here are a few to chew on about leadership. Some of these may come from politicians. Oh no...

"It is better to lead from behind and to put others in front, especially when you celebrate victory when nice things occur. You take the front line when there is danger. Then people will appreciate your leadership." -- Nelson Mandela

"A good leader takes a little more than his share of the blame, a little less than his share of the credit." -- Arnold Glasow

"A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves." -- Lao Tzu

"No man will make a great leader who wants to do it all himself or get all the credit for doing it." -- Andrew Carnegie

"You're only as good as the people you hire." -- Ray Kroc

"Leadership is a privilege to better the lives of others. It is not an opportunity to satisfy personal greed." -- Mwai Kibaki

"You don't lead by hitting people over the head - that's assault, not leadership." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower

posted by oldhometown on Jun 22, 2014 at 03:31:53 pm     #   4 people liked this

oldhometown I it was drivel after I read this:

All I did was highlight/spotlight that the prevailing thought behind your statement (and in many other minds when the subject area is broadened out)is that the institution deserves more credit than the individual when great things happen like a Pulitzer.

Watch out oldhometown is now reading our thoughts.

Can anyone find a quote from me where I wrote, "institution deserves more credit than the individual when great things happen like a Pulitzer. I believe, in this case, that perspective to be rather discourteous to the reporter(s)?"

Thank you, oldhometown for conceding the issue.

The Blade, as an institution in a position of leadership, can claim its share of the Pulitzer all it wants--dandy.
oldhometown
Then the ranting about leadership. Strange

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 03:56:47 pm     #  

Jeezus...even trying to meet you halfway and saying the Blade should be able to claim its share of a Pulitzer win isn't enough.

Your overall tone is that we should be thanking (oh so very thankful) to the Blocks for hiring Sallah or paying his business expenses (travel, research, etc.) and really its the institution's Pulitzer. It's all over this thread. There's a substantial post where you list all the newspapers that won Pulitzers. A direct quote is not necessary when the overall tone and presentation regarding a topic is obvious.

I find that self-aggrandizement to be the antithesis of an institution of leadership. Leaders always turn the spotlight to their people, not themselves. You are promoting the exact opposite.

And it's not like The Blade got nothing out of all that investment. The halo & prestige of a Pulitzer is substantial. So spare me how much money the Blocks invested in supp orting the Tiger Force story.

You have a problem with me. I don't care. I did not minimize your contributions as "drivel," only skewed (in my opinion). I understand where they are coming from, as a defender of your employer, but do not agree with them.

The Blade is a place that nurtured Pulitzer-level work 10 years ago. The writers made that award happen, not the investors. Pulitzer doesn't give a damn about how much money you spend; they only care about the quality of the end product.

posted by oldhometown on Jun 22, 2014 at 05:07:25 pm     #   4 people liked this

No.

"really its the institution's Pulitzer. It's all over this thread. "

You can attempt to put words in my mouth or tell us what you believe I am thinking. However, I never said those words or words similar.

My comments are in response to justread's original post and the comment he made just after Fred's last entry here.

Honestly, I did not recognize your word's as me halfway. I am happy that you feel that way.

It does appear we were arguing about different things. Me. That that Block's leadership and financing that The Blade has a Pulitzer. Of course the people they hired deserve recognition!

You. That I thought that the Block family deserved exclusive recognition.

We are talking about very different things. Again, please take a look at justread's post that started this thread .

Now that I understand what you were concerned about, I agree with your concern. However, I did not intend to attempt to minimize Mike's and his comrades' work.

The folks who wrote these wanted to advance their careers and make more money. In order to do that they went to a bigger paper.

By the way, Mitch Weiss has written a book about a SOF mission that went awry in Afghanistan.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0425253406?pc_redir=1403261588&robot_redir=1

Of course the Tiger Force book is here.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0316066354?pc_redir=1403342135&robot_redir=1

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 05:36:38 pm     #  

I shouldn't 't use phone to write . Sorry about the missing words, folks.

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 05:38:26 pm     #  

Mike21 posted at 08:53:55 PM on Jun 20, 2014:

Comments so far on this string.... justread - 53, paulhem - 41... but who's counting...

Where are we at now? I see he's still Hemming all over my thread.

Count green boxes too, just for fun.

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2014 at 05:44:20 pm     #   1 person liked this

justread:

Of course, you have overwhelming support here.

I post here to make sure that the database includes the other side, not to impress anyone here, or anywhere else, for that matter. As I have mentioned many (too many times) the newspaper and the Block family may have their detractors. However, no one can deny that they deserve credit for Pulitzers. I think a lot of people realize that the award winning newspaper impresses intelligent leaders who are looking for a place to move that has a newspaper such as The Blade. And I am not referring to many legacy businesses. I am referring to those businesses that want their employees to be able to consume the best that journalism has to offer.

A lot (not all) of the journos at The Blade hate that I post here. Frankly, they feel that this site would just go away and that - don't hit me for this - I give the site more credibility by even recognizing that it exists. One of two actually were angry about it.

While journalists are friendly people and fun to be around, they really don't care what some in the community thinks of them. Why? They feel that they are (not everyone and not 100%) here to tell you stories that you do not want to know. About politicians that you may like... About a business you may work for... About an organization that you may belong to. A relative who got into trouble... The list goes on.

So. As BrianInFlorida mentions, perhaps I am an apologist by the strict definition of the word.

However, no one pays me enough to put my name out here and take some of the abuse I have had to endure. That means I believe in what I am saying here. The good and the bad.

justread: I spent most of my university career preparing to become and Army officer. I spent years after that trying to be the best Army officer that I could be. So, it is and has been a big part of my life. I still communicate and visit with brothers I served with and members of the Pershing Rifle community. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pershing_Rifles I think about the Army every day.

I am not trying to brag about my service. I am letting you understand why I might post here and why no one else might.

It is because I was crazy enough to become a paratrooper and "jump out of perfectly good airplanes." As most Airborne people (women too) we know we are crazy. You have to be crazy to be willing to jump into the middle of enemy territory and be a bad ass. So. here I am, out-numbered, and out-gunned. No problem.

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 07:27:50 pm     #  

Did he just call hemself a badass? Another post by Hem about Hem.

I am an unlikely member to be overwhelmingly supported. I crack obscure jokes and play the devil's advocate. Neither leads to sweeping popularity. In fact, I am pretty sure some folks just don't get me or care for me. What is overwhelmingly supported is the exchange of truths regarding The Blade. The posts earned the green boxes. Not my award winning personality.

Outgunned for sure. And outwitted.
Again with mistaking dissenting opinions as "enemy territory."
You've barely been insulted, let alone "abused." You insult Airborne people with your victim mentality.

Those are smart people at The Blade who don't think you are doing The Blade any favors by posting here. As if they need more bad PR.

What you are missing is that discussion forums are little microcosms. Conversations begin, and take a natural course. Like a gathering of friends. There's an ebb and flow, and some issues of etiquette. Your insistence that you must be a part of every conversation that includes the words "The Blade" (you just admitted that is your role) is not normal. As if the next time I have a dinner party, if anyone is going to utter the words "The Blade" you are entitled to an invitation. It's simply not the case. Only a paranoid person and a paranoid organization would insist on always, always, polluting every conversation with the company party line. Rather than prove how wonderful The Blade is, you reinforce the creepy aspects of message control.

The fantasy in which you have enveloped yourself that this has anything to do with service in the Army or that you are somehow a brave lone soldier on the battlefield is pathetic at best, and disturbing at worst. It's also disrespectful to those who served who don't try to leverage that service in online disagreements.

Your prior service didn't prepare you to act appropriately as a social media manager, and your throwing it out there as a defense of your instability is in poor form. You post because you are a mental case, not because you are "crazy" with bravery and honor.

Outgunned indeed.

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2014 at 07:47:17 pm     #   3 people liked this

"they feel that this site would just go away"

And that is why it should not. It appears to be the last bastion of freedom of messaging and exchange of ideas in this town.

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2014 at 07:51:37 pm     #   8 people liked this

Wait. I am mistaken.
You are not a mental case. The rest of us are "twisted."

I give up Hem. If I cause you to do what you do, I can solve that. There are enough others to speak the truth.

Enjoy that cookout that you are having for the members here this summer. Sounds like a blast.

posted by justread on Jun 22, 2014 at 07:58:47 pm     #  

paulhem posted at 05:36:38 PM on Jun 22, 2014:

No.

"really its the institution's Pulitzer. It's all over this thread. "

You can attempt to put words in my mouth or tell us what you believe I am thinking. However, I never said those words or words similar.

My comments are in response to justread's original post and the comment he made just after Fred's last entry here.

Honestly, I did not recognize your word's as me halfway. I am happy that you feel that way.

It does appear we were arguing about different things. Me. That that Block's leadership and financing that The Blade has a Pulitzer. Of course the people they hired deserve recognition!

You. That I thought that the Block family deserved exclusive recognition.

We are talking about very different things. Again, please take a look at justread's post that started this thread .

Now that I understand what you were concerned about, I agree with your concern. However, I did not intend to attempt to minimize Mike's and his comrades' work.

The folks who wrote these wanted to advance their careers and make more money. In order to do that they went to a bigger paper.

By the way, Mitch Weiss has written a book about a SOF mission that went awry in Afghanistan.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0425253406?pc_redir=1403261588&robot_redir=1

Of course the Tiger Force book is here.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0316066354?pc_redir=1403342135&robot_redir=1

I often wonder how you're able to breathe, much less type, with JRB's genitals so firmly planted in your mouth. It's absolutely astounding the amount of bullshit and arrogance you spew in regards to your overlords on this message board. Sorry for my vulgarity but I just can't take it anymore. I understand he's your boss, but I just couldn't live my life being a yes man to someone else. Life's too short.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Jun 22, 2014 at 09:02:05 pm     #   8 people liked this

paulhem posted at 07:27:50 PM on Jun 22, 2014:

justread:

Of course, you have overwhelming support here.

I post here to make sure that the database includes the other side, not to impress anyone here, or anywhere else, for that matter. As I have mentioned many (too many times) the newspaper and the Block family may have their detractors. However, no one can deny that they deserve credit for Pulitzers. I think a lot of people realize that the award winning newspaper impresses intelligent leaders who are looking for a place to move that has a newspaper such as The Blade. And I am not referring to many legacy businesses. I am referring to those businesses that want their employees to be able to consume the best that journalism has to offer.

A lot (not all) of the journos at The Blade hate that I post here. Frankly, they feel that this site would just go away and that - don't hit me for this - I give the site more credibility by even recognizing that it exists. One of two actually were angry about it.

While journalists are friendly people and fun to be around, they really don't care what some in the community thinks of them. Why? They feel that they are (not everyone and not 100%) here to tell you stories that you do not want to know. About politicians that you may like... About a business you may work for... About an organization that you may belong to. A relative who got into trouble... The list goes on.

So. As BrianInFlorida mentions, perhaps I am an apologist by the strict definition of the word.

However, no one pays me enough to put my name out here and take some of the abuse I have had to endure. That means I believe in what I am saying here. The good and the bad.

justread: I spent most of my university career preparing to become and Army officer. I spent years after that trying to be the best Army officer that I could be. So, it is and has been a big part of my life. I still communicate and visit with brothers I served with and members of the Pershing Rifle community. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pershing_Rifles I think about the Army every day.

I am not trying to brag about my service. I am letting you understand why I might post here and why no one else might.

It is because I was crazy enough to become a paratrooper and "jump out of perfectly good airplanes." As most Airborne people (women too) we know we are crazy. You have to be crazy to be willing to jump into the middle of enemy territory and be a bad ass. So. here I am, out-numbered, and out-gunned. No problem.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

posted by hunkytownsausage on Jun 22, 2014 at 09:05:34 pm     #   8 people liked this

I think a lot of people realize that the award winning newspaper impresses intelligent leaders who are looking for a place to move that has a newspaper such as The Blade. And I am not referring to many legacy businesses. I am referring to those businesses that want their employees to be able to consume the best that journalism has to offer.

As a current small business manager, the LAST thing I think about when making business plans is how good the local rag is. As someone who was advising small business for over 20 years, this was NEVER a topic that was mentioned. You have a very over-inflated sense of importance of newspapers today. I've stayed out of the rest of this argument, but this is seriously funny, IMO.

posted by MrsArcher on Jun 22, 2014 at 09:59:30 pm     #   6 people liked this

over 20 years, this was NEVER a topic that was mentioned
That's why I used the word, " legacy."

posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 10:50:50 pm     #  

Hey Paul, anyone in the newsroom think this one is going to bring home another Pulitzer?

What, in your opinion, is the motivation behind this article, and who decided to, in essentially the same breath, vilify econcat (while promoting him), and then turn around and report their own version of the same thing? What is the process behind THIS particular story? I will be the first to line up to defend some of the important stories The Blade has reported over the years. This particular story feels very out of touch, sloppy, or agenda driven. Can you see that perspective?

posted by ahmahler on Jun 22, 2014 at 11:05:50 pm     #   5 people liked this

I would think that if you were Airborne (as you claim; I have a hard time even believing that) you would be able to find a more honorable job than the one you have now. You know, a job that actually requires you to have balls and the ability to think for yourself.

posted by dell_diva on Jun 22, 2014 at 11:24:07 pm     #   1 person liked this

Winning an argument on an internet message board is like winning at the Special Olympics, yeah you won, but you're still retarded.

posted by bucknut on Jun 22, 2014 at 11:46:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

bucknut posted at 11:46:31 PM on Jun 22, 2014:

Winning an argument on an internet message board is like winning at the Special Olympics, yeah you won, but you're still retarded.

What an intelligent and totally non-ignorant contribution to this whole discussion.

posted by dell_diva on Jun 22, 2014 at 11:52:01 pm     #   7 people liked this

bucknut posted at 11:46:31 PM on Jun 22, 2014:

Winning an argument on an internet message board is like winning at the Special Olympics, yeah you won, but you're still retarded.

Who's keeping the list of nominees for TT's most offensive comment of the year?

This one is a strong contender.

posted by mom2 on Jun 23, 2014 at 12:11:12 am     #   7 people liked this

http://www.wimp.com/abandonedisland/

posted by MIJeff on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:14:28 am     #  

Regarding newspapers and businesses.

1. Develop a plan.
2. Realize there is no one path to success.
3. Work your local newspapers.

http://m.businessknowhow.com/startup/findcustomers.htm

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 08:42:07 am     #  

paulhem posted at 10:50:50 PM on Jun 22, 2014:
over 20 years, this was NEVER a topic that was mentioned
That's why I used the word, " legacy."

I'm confused, you said:

And I am not referring to many legacy businesses.

But it doesn't matter if you are referring to business that have been here for generations or new businesses, the thought that a business - in today's world - makes decisions based on how good or bad the local newspaper is, is out of touch. Did this happen a generation ago? Okay, I'll say it may have been one of a hundred factors taken in to consideration. But you used present tense, not past tense.

The more pertinent question is how many businesses has the Blade scared away because of its witch-hunt tactics?

posted by MrsArcher on Jun 23, 2014 at 09:21:29 am     #   4 people liked this

If the Blade as Paul suggests attract businesses how does he explain all the businesses that have left Toledo in the last 50 years? Are they unaware of the Blade? Did the Fortune 500 companies that used to be here drop their subscriptions? Please name one business that you are aware of Paul that based their decision to open/start in Toledo on the Blade.

posted by fred on Jun 23, 2014 at 09:36:23 am     #   9 people liked this

MrsArcher is dead on. The thought that the quality of the local newspaper even enters into the minds of anyone looking to relocate a business to a particular city is laughable. What WOULD influence their decision, however, is a results page full of negative articles from said newspaper when they do a google search for that city.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 09:39:51 am     #   7 people liked this

Anyone looking to relocate a business to a particular city wouldn't rely on google. Unless you know people in that area who are colleagues and associates, you'd never relocate there. So really, it's more about the word of mouth of known performers with regional and national influence. You know, people like, well... Dock Treece.

Uh oh.

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 10:33:19 am     #   5 people liked this

Actually, I strongly disagree with that. I can't imagine a scenario where you're considering a relocation to a city, and you don't read up on it. Of course you'd check with people you know from that area, but who on earth wouldn't look up information on the city? If we had some situation in my company where there was some incentive to move to a city I don't know much about, you can bet your ass the first thing I'd be doing is looking up info on the city.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 11:13:05 am     #  

Perhaps the key word is "rely."

Also, personal relocation is different than moving or expanding a business.

But ok, one "strongly disagree" it is.

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 11:16:02 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 11:13:05 AM on Jun 23, 2014:

Actually, I strongly disagree with that. I can't imagine a scenario where you're considering a relocation to a city, and you don't read up on it. Of course you'd check with people you know from that area, but who on earth wouldn't look up information on the city? If we had some situation in my company where there was some incentive to move to a city I don't know much about, you can bet your ass the first thing I'd be doing is looking up info on the city.

Read up on, get info, etc., yes. But first your decision wouldn't be based on the quality of the newspaper and second there are a lot if sources for info about a city, not just the local newspaper.

posted by MrsArcher on Jun 23, 2014 at 11:19:31 am     #  

johio83: I provided independent information regarding businesses using newspapers to expand their customer base. Where is your supporting information?

Probably the most controversial (at least within the military and political leaders), was the embedded journalist program.

Instead of whining about how journalists were bad for national security (Which I confess I did while on active duty...) the military brought them in and made it possible for journalists to live with various military units. Of course some journalists felt that reporters were "getting too close" to those they had to write about.

The point is, johio83, thankfully, more forward thinking business leaders like Jeff Bezos and increasingly others like Google, Yahoo and Apple are attempting to embrace journalists.

So, instead of complaining about how the company or Cupertino appears in the press, Google is taking positive action to embrace the news profession. (And exploit it?)

http://www.google.com/get/journalismfellowship/

"There will be a focus on data driven journalism, online free expression and rethinking the business of journalism. The 10-week long Fellowship will open with a week at Google followed by nine weeks at one of the participating organizations.

"Participating organizations are based in Berkeley, CA, Columbia, MO, Cambridge, MA, St. Petersburg/Miami, FL, New York, NY, Washington, DC and Boston, MA, Austin, TX.
They include the Center for Investigative Reporting, the Committee to Protect Journalists, Investigative Reporters & Editors, Pew Research Center’s Journalism Project, Poynter, Nieman Journalism Lab, PRI.org, ProPublica, Sunlight Foundation and the Texas Tribune."

...

Hmmm... "Center for Investigative Reporting" Think about that. A business supporting an organization that may investigate it.

Again... Legacy thinking won't work anymore.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 11:24:26 am     #  

(Just for clarity's sake, it wasn't a scenario of personal relocation. The "my" in "my company" wasn't meant like "the company I work for," but "the company that coincidentally has my last name in it") We've never considered a relocation, outside of our accountant's suggestion that moving north of the state line would be a big tax savings. But that was dismissed pretty immediately, as any proud Ohioan would have done.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 11:24:39 am     #  

MrsArcher posted at 11:19:31 AM on Jun 23, 2014:
Johio83 posted at 11:13:05 AM on Jun 23, 2014:

Actually, I strongly disagree with that. I can't imagine a scenario where you're considering a relocation to a city, and you don't read up on it. Of course you'd check with people you know from that area, but who on earth wouldn't look up information on the city? If we had some situation in my company where there was some incentive to move to a city I don't know much about, you can bet your ass the first thing I'd be doing is looking up info on the city.

Read up on, get info, etc., yes. But first your decision wouldn't be based on the quality of the newspaper and second there are a lot if sources for info about a city, not just the local newspaper.

Wait wait wait. Read the succession there, not just that one comment. The very first thing I said was that the newspaper itself has no bearing on a company's relocation. The information out there about the city is what would be important. Your comment just now of "But first your decision wouldn't be based on the quality of the newspaper" is pretty much exactly what I said in my first point, "MrsArcher is dead on. The thought that the quality of the local newspaper even enters into the minds of anyone looking to relocate a business to a particular city is laughable." See, I even cited you in it! We're absolutely on the same page here.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 11:27:51 am     #  

La-Z-Boy stayed in Monroe. Must be a much better newspaper.
Now I get it.

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 11:47:40 am     #   3 people liked this

Paul, I think you and your links are arguing different things. I don't think anyone is refuting the point that news is important, and that newspapers and journalists serve a very important purpose. The argument is whether or not a local newspaper inspires companies to move to that city.

To make sure we're all talking about the same thing, you referenced Amazon, Apple, and Google to support your point. So, which of those three is considering a relocation to be in the same city as a great newspaper?

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 12:00:07 pm     #   1 person liked this

(oh, and Yahoo. Sorry, didn't mean to leave them out.)

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 12:01:49 pm     #  

johio83:

I won't argue with you about what the Google program means.

Maybe this will help you.

Wouldn't the local chamber of commerce be one of the first places a business owner would check before considering a new location for his/her business?

The Seattle Chamber hosted a presentation present regarding what went into Seattle Times winning a Pulitzer for a story on a local shooting.

Chamber of Commerce, defined.

"chamber of commerce, local association of business people organized to promote the welfare of their community, especially its commercial interests. Each chamber of commerce usually has an elected board of directors, and its work is done through committees. Among the activities frequently carried on by these committees are industrial surveys and efforts to attract new industries to the city, the provision of information and advice to government on topics ranging from labor disputes to taxes, and the promotion of tourism in cities."

Here's the example of the chamber's activity with the local newspaper.

"'Who, what, where, when, why and – most importantly – how did The Seattle Times win a 2010 Pulitzer Prize for 'Breaking News' for its coverage of the Lakewood police shootings and the Maurice Clemmons manhunt?"

"Those questions were asked – and well-answered – at the Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce first Executive Speaker Series event, 'Anatomy of a Pulitzer Prize' on June 22 at The Westin hotel. The Washington News Council was a 'promotional partner' for the luncheon, along with the Public Relations Society of America and The Times.'"

http://wanewscouncil.org/2010/06/23/anatomy-of-the-seattle-times%E2%80%99-pulitzer-prize/

Using Aristotelian logic:

If a chamber of commerce chooses to highlight the local newspaper, it follows that the local newspaper is a positive for the community that sell the area.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:07:38 pm     #  

I did what Paul suggested I do if I were to relocate my business to the Seattle area.
I looked on the chamber of commerce's website.
Here is the page that tout's all the benefits Seattle has to offer.
Not one mention of a Pulitzer Prize winning newspaper.
http://www.seattlechamber.com/AboutSeattle/RegionalInformation.aspx

posted by cujo on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:20:19 pm     #   3 people liked this

"I won't argue with you about what the Google program means."

You won't argue because you CAN'T argue.

posted by dell_diva on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:23:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

man alive this is a hard thread to catch up on.

posted by upso on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:28:15 pm     #   1 person liked this

Basic summation of where it stands right now: Does the Blade's existence bring businesses to Toledo?

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:32:16 pm     #  

cujo:

Do you deny that the Chamber held and advertised a forum that touts the local newspaper?

The fact that you didn't find a reference does not exclude the fact that the chamber, in effect, was selling its local newspaper. And that the chamber's mission includes "efforts to attract new industries to the city."

Therefore, if bad news (remember the Seattle Times' Pulitzer was for story covering a shooting and a manhunt) hurts business, then why would an organization charged with enticing businesses even tout the newspaper?

Rather than attempt to refute the evidence, why not explore what this could do for Toledo? Or how could Toledo use this?

Hey. I am all for blowing off steam at public institutions - government, media, etc. However, instead of attempting to fight the institution head-on, why not try to use the strengths of each of those institutions to make a positive difference for your business or the businesses you are associated with?

Small towns have plusses and minuses. One definite minus are family feuds and individual grudges that go one for generations. They hurt the community.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:45:24 pm     #  

if it does it should be able to be proven. i'm sure any intelligent business leader who moves here because of the newspaper would search out jrb and let him know that his paper was a reason for moving his company to the area. and i can't imagine jrb and his paper not touting that fact as they have with utmc, formerly mco, or the "keep jeep" effort. so paul, call jrb in pittsburgh and ask him for some names. then show us a list of all the pittsburgh and toledo companies who decided to move to those cities because of the respective papers.

posted by fred on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:49:48 pm     #   3 people liked this

upso posted at 01:28:15 PM on Jun 23, 2014:

man alive this is a hard thread to catch up on.

To summarize, a severe thunderstorm currently exists in northwest Ohio, apparently headed toward southern Lucas County and northern Wood County.

Radar snapshot.

short term forecast
national weather service cleveland oh
124 pm edt mon jun 23 2014

a strong thunderstorm over extreme northwest ohio will continue to move east at 10 mph. the thunderstorm will move to western lucas and wood counties between 300 pm and 330 pm this afternoon. there is the possibility that the storm could produce strong gusty winds...very heavy rain...and cloud to ground lightning as it moves into the area.

Latest warning statement:

Severe Thunderstorm Warning
Statement as of 1:42 PM EDT on June 23, 2014
The National Weather Service in northern Indiana has issued a
  • Severe Thunderstorm Warning for... extreme northeastern Defiance County in Northwest Ohio... southwestern Fulton County in Northwest Ohio... northwestern Henry County in Northwest Ohio... southeastern Williams County in Northwest Ohio...
  • until 215 PM EDT
  • at 136 PM EDT...a severe thunderstorm was located near Bryan...and moving east at 30 mph.

Hazard...quarter size hail and 60 mph wind gusts.

Torrential rainfall is occurring with this storm...and may lead to flash flooding. Do not drive your vehicle through flooded roadways!

posted by jr on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:54:03 pm     #  

Great summary - information I needed... Thanks!

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 01:56:03 pm     #  

To summarize...

1) Blade reports blight, or "It's OK when we do it, not OK when someone else does and does it first".

2) Paul Hem..."blah, blah, blah, pay no attention to the facts anywhere stated. Look over there! The Blade may or may not have had something to do with something really good once in it's decades of reporting!"

3) JustRead "Paul, we need facts, please give us some."

4) PH "I'm great, the Blade's great, the Blade is responsible for countless new business in Toledo"

5) Chorus "No it's not"

6) PH "Yes it is"

7) Chorus "No it's not"

8) PH "Yes it is"

9) Chorus "No it's not"

(Repeat)

posted by JoeyGee on Jun 23, 2014 at 03:12:51 pm     #   3 people liked this

You forgot to add:

PH: "I'm a self-proclaimed badass who was in the military one time. Did I mention I was in the military? Yeah, the military. Not that I want any recognition for that. But I was in the military."

posted by dell_diva on Jun 23, 2014 at 03:17:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

Fred:

...if it does it should be able to be proven.
And if it doesn't it should be able to be proven, Fred.

So, show me the evidence and prove that The Blade has kept businesses away.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 03:22:18 pm     #  

Because that is what has been repeated here over and over again. Paraphrase "The Blade is the reason for the area's problems."

Answer the evidence that I provided, Fred. A really forward looking city is using their newspaper's awards regarding BAD news to highlight the strength of their area.

Does this or does it not make sense, Fred?

Here it is again. It's Seattle. What else do you want?

Here's the example of the chamber's activity with the local newspaper.

"'Who, what, where, when, why and – most importantly – how did The Seattle Times win a 2010 Pulitzer Prize for 'Breaking News' for its coverage of the Lakewood police shootings and the Maurice Clemmons manhunt?"

"Those questions were asked – and well-answered – at the Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce first Executive Speaker Series event, 'Anatomy of a Pulitzer Prize' on June 22 at The Westin hotel. The Washington News Council was a 'promotional partner' for the luncheon, along with the Public Relations Society of America and The Times.'"

http://wanewscouncil.org/2010/06/23/anatomy-of-the-seattle-times%E2%80%99-pulitzer-prize/

Using Aristotelian logic:

If a chamber of commerce chooses to highlight the local newspaper, it follows that the local newspaper is a positive for the community that sell the area.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 03:28:51 pm     #  

paulhem posted at 03:22:18 PM on Jun 23, 2014:

Fred:

...if it does it should be able to be proven.
And if it doesn't it should be able to be proven, Fred.

So, show me the evidence and prove that The Blade has kept businesses away.

Actually Paul, that's a logical fallacy. It's called an argument from ignorance. The inability to disprove something does not in turn prove it.

The burden of proof is on you, my man. It's not up to Fred to prove that the Blade doesn't create business, it's up to you to prove that it does.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 03:58:36 pm     #   2 people liked this

If a chamber of commerce chooses to highlight the local newspaper, it follows that the local newspaper is a positive for the community that sell the area.

If a chamber of commerce chooses to highlight business scams, does it follow that business scams are a positive for the community?

I don't think "highlight" is the word you want to use in this context.

posted by oldhometown on Jun 23, 2014 at 04:02:41 pm     #  

Is it even up for debate that The Blade agenda and stand over tactics have had a chilling effect on private and civic investment and involvement?

That essential fact is a narrative thread that runs through the story of our commercial decline, anemic civic and political involvement, and political inbreeding for the last 40 years.

Hell, it's not even limited to public figures anymore. An anonymous guy posting videos was subject to stalking and are full-on attempt at outing. That was a low point in the history of The Blade, and a chilling cross between "journalism" and "The Running Man."

Not to mention the recent treatment of Anita Lopez and Mike Bell on the political side, and in the private sector more recently, the personal attacks against Dock Treece and his sons.

It's disgusting.
And if The Blade really wants to be a positive force in this community, it needs to take a long hard look at itself and decide to change, not simply send us "passels of nincompoops" to parrot the party line.

The first step is to admit that you have a problem.

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 04:09:06 pm     #   4 people liked this

johio83, my man, where did I say that that the newspaper "creates business?"

So, it looks like you might need a lesson in logic.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 04:41:00 pm     #  

"I think a lot of people realize that the award winning newspaper impresses intelligent leaders who are looking for a place to move that has a newspaper such as The Blade."

So you didn't say that, Paul? Someone hacked into your account and posted that?

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 04:57:59 pm     #  

Or is my logic so poor that I'm mistakenly thinking "business leaders who are looking for a place to move" means "creates business"?

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 04:59:38 pm     #  

Is it even up for debate that The Blade agenda and stand over tactics have had a chilling effect on private and civic investment and involvement?

Hahaha ... Looks like you ran out of any semblance of reason.

Prove your premise. It is already established that your original post regarding the family who owns the newspaper isn't true. Now back up this one. Evidence?

Like I mentioned earlier, if posters here want to vent, fine. However, that does not excuse untrue accusations and claims.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:01:03 pm     #  

Creates business = brings business in, is there a difference? Does closing its print shop create business in our area? You can play cheerleader all you want, we understand its part of your job, just dont try to snow us on the fact that The Blade has seen much much better days long ago in the past and is hardly a glimmer of its past glories. JRB is not a local citizen regardless of what you try to spin, be it gold or brown stuff. Maybe you should look into the history of your paper over the last 30 years and read more than the headlines. The Blade is a liberal rag, supports unions over the populace (unless its negotiation times with its own unions) and will publish anything JRB tells it to publish. It IS a reason, not the only one but one of the reasons this town (at what population does it cease to be a city) is viewed upon on as not friendly to business of any persuasion other than liberal owned or union made.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:02:12 pm     #   3 people liked this

Prove my fucking premise???

Oh Jesus Christ.

Do they ALL have Asperger's?

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:13:32 pm     #   2 people liked this

http://www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris/2013/12/10/Treece-boys-not-ready-for-prime-time.html

Mini Madoffs?

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:15:25 pm     #   2 people liked this

Or is my logic so poor that I'm mistakenly thinking "business leaders who are looking for a place to move" means "creates business"?

Absolutely. It does not mean "creates business." It does mean that Seattle is smart enough to tout their strengths.

Think about it.

What is your comment concerning Seattle's chamber?

Regardless, I am posting here for the database. I must really be effective since I'm seeing the "Winning an argument on a blog..." Epithet.

And it's "dandy" that the Block family should get some credit for the Pulitzer.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:18:49 pm     #  

"Locals say Block tries to run the town, and he and his paper often get their way."
http://ajrarchive.org/article.asp?id=3133

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:18:54 pm     #   2 people liked this

As long as the Blocks of the world subject us to the Hems of the world, this town is screwed.

100,000 escapees and counting.

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:26:23 pm     #   1 person liked this

Paul, I just... I... I can't even figure out how to respond to you after that.

Me: Or is my logic so poor that I'm mistakenly thinking "business leaders who are looking for a place to move" means "creates business"?
You: Absolutely. It does not mean "creates business." It does mean that Seattle is smart enough to tout their strengths.

.... what?!? Ok, first, YES, Paul, YES it does mean that! Business leaders moving to an area CREATES BUSINESS for that area! It's not an implied meaning or an assumption, it is literally what it means. And what did my question have to do with Seattle? How is that even relevant?

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:28:20 pm     #   2 people liked this

Do they ALL have Asperger's?

justread: What does that comment mean? Do you know anyone who is living with Asperger syndrome?

Here' s a story from Fox News about the heart-wrenching way families have to suffer when a child has it and how they overcome it.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/06/19/why-choose-to-talk-about-aspergers-syndrome/

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:28:44 pm     #  

Imagine a man, with his hand up near his forehead, his index finger raised, other three fingers folded, and thumb extended perpendicular to the index finger, outstretched to his left.

Got it? Good. That's the salute you give to the guys who brag about being in the military to win an internet argument.

posted by justread on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:36:43 pm     #   2 people liked this

.... what?!? Ok, first, YES, Paul, YES it does mean that! Business leaders moving to an area CREATES BUSINESS for that area! It's not an implied meaning or an assumption, it is literally what it means. And what did my question have to do with Seattle? How is that even relevant?

I did not say, "Business leaders moving into an area."

I supported my "I think.." statement well.

Like I mentioned before, I must be effective because you are using question marks and exclamation points.

Have at it. I'm going to enjoy my evening, not watching you invent statements I never made to get a reaction.

Nice try, though.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:37:56 pm     #  

justread:

Really. You are losing your cool. Sorry you can't do better than that. Good night.

posted by paulhem on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:42:09 pm     #  

I wonder how Ray Kest is doing these days.

Hope you don't get a Pulitzer for that.

I was kidding.

I just wrote that to troll you.

posted by BrianInFlorida on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:46:49 pm     #  

Invent statements you never made? Paul, I cut and pasted it directly from your comment.

"I think a lot of people realize that the award winning newspaper impresses intelligent leaders who are looking for a place to move that has a newspaper such as The Blade. And I am not referring to many legacy businesses. I am referring to those businesses that want their employees to be able to consume the best that journalism has to offer." posted by paulhem on Jun 22, 2014 at 07:27:50 pm

posted by Johio83 on Jun 23, 2014 at 05:50:19 pm     #   2 people liked this

Why should anyone care about an award that was bestowed upon such paragons of journalism as Janet Cooke and Walter Duranty?

Nothing excuses the reason why this thread was created in the first place, the Blade's piece on blight 6 months after attacking Econcat88 for doing the same thing. I cannot imagine this fact carries less weight with a company looking to relocate than a Pulitzer won 10 years ago.

posted by tolbuck on Jun 23, 2014 at 06:23:21 pm     #  

This might explain a lot of what has come before. From Paul's linkedIn profile - I saw the future of social media. While many were joking about how meaningless social media is and would be, I was studying how to use it for news, marketing and sales. -
That knowledge must be working well for the Blade. They lost over $8M last year alone, are getting ready to close a portion of their downtown facility, and cut over 100 jobs. What else do you see in the future Paul?

posted by fred on Jun 23, 2014 at 06:58:30 pm     #   7 people liked this

And here I was led to believe this was the lowly "chattering class." Well flip me over and call me Hazel.

posted by Mariner on Jun 24, 2014 at 06:35:08 am     #  

That's just not right.

posted by justread on Jun 24, 2014 at 06:50:29 am     #   2 people liked this

paulhem posted at 05:37:56 PM on Jun 23, 2014:
.... what?!? Ok, first, YES, Paul, YES it does mean that! Business leaders moving to an area CREATES BUSINESS for that area! It's not an implied meaning or an assumption, it is literally what it means. And what did my question have to do with Seattle? How is that even relevant?

I did not say, "Business leaders moving into an area."

I supported my "I think.." statement well.

Like I mentioned before, I must be effective because you are using question marks and exclamation points.

Have at it. I'm going to enjoy my evening, not watching you invent statements I never made to get a reaction.

Nice try, though.

Next you will be arguing over what the definition of the word "is" is.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 24, 2014 at 12:34:19 pm     #  

So, I had this dream in which I was talking to this short man in a bow tie. I think it was Wally Cox. It sounded like Wally Cox. It was a very nice affair, I think. Wally and I had a lovely tête-à-tête.

We talked about the dognappings. Wally doesn't think it's cool.
I don't either. So me and Wally have that. Nice fella. I'm not sure what this dream means.

Maybe it is an allegorical adumbration.

Maybe just a dream.

posted by justread on Jun 25, 2014 at 06:00:42 pm     #  

That's funny, I had a dream as well.

In this dream I was walking through a beautiful green rain forest full of tall trees, exotic flowers and giant ferns. I came to this huge lavender mushroom and climbed on top, where I found someone's hookah. I started smoking the hookah, and pretty soon this gorgeous blond girl came riding along on a giant caterpillar, that had white, purple, green and tangerine stripes running around it. The girl took off her top and said, "I dig you daddy-oh, but don't bug me Jack."

And as I was trying to concentrate, I heard the old Tarzan yell. Like from the old Johnny Weissmuller Tarzan movies.
Ah-AH-ahhhh
ah-a-ah-a-ah-a-ah-a-ah-a
Ah-ah-ahhhhhhh!

Like that. See? And HistoryMike came swinging down out of a tree on a grape vine, and he was dressed in a loin cloth and toting his briefcase. He landed and said to the girl, "I've lost my dog. Will you help me look for him?"

And the girl smiled and said, "Why certainly I'll help. What do you have in your little brown bag, Sir?"

Then they rode off on the caterpillar with HistoryMike singing Little Green Bag.

And that's all I remember.

posted by madjack on Jun 25, 2014 at 07:13:33 pm     #  

Ok, so it's two bags?

posted by justread on Jun 25, 2014 at 08:33:20 pm     #  

Dan Johnson, Collective Vision and Collaborative Leadership TedX speech. Worth a watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfosipc5cyI

posted by justread on Jun 25, 2014 at 08:45:58 pm     #  

The water authority talk in the other thread made me wonder if any updates existed for Toledo's blight authority.

The app allows residents to report a range of issues to the city directly from smart phones, tablets, or computers. The cost to Toledo taxpayers was $16,000.

Toledo’s charter requires the mayor to get council approval for any outlay of $10,000 or more. The mayor said the app’s $16,000 cost was divided into three purchase orders, negating the need for council action.

In 2008, when Mayor Collins was a councilman, he criticized Mayor Carty Finkbeiner for spending $100,000 to renovate a section of the Erie Street Market into a concert venue. The renovations at the city-owned market building near downtown was split into more than a dozen contracts, each below the $10,000 council-approval threshold.

Did EconCat88 get honored, or is he still being hunted?

posted by jr on Sep 30, 2014 at 11:15:27 am     #  

and just a short drive from the Toledo Club...

posted by justareviewer on Sep 30, 2014 at 11:38:41 am     #   1 person liked this

Yep. So much for the fake lighthouse plan in the Marina District.

I thought that the idea was to remove blight and not create it.

posted by jr on Sep 30, 2014 at 11:54:57 am     #   1 person liked this

That is exactly as it was planned! There's nothing to see here! It's a beautiful...whatever.

posted by slowsol on Sep 30, 2014 at 11:59:20 am     #  

Agreed, the above picture of the future "lighthouse" does nothing to help our waterfront. This city has no idea what an asset our river is to us and it's totally ridiculous that nobody can figure out what to do with the riverfront. A few weeks ago, the company I work for had a trade show for our customers (1000+), some who came from S. Carolina and GA. Most came from Ohio/Mich/Indiana. We had a party for them at The Docks. The comments about that area and the views of downtown, were nothing but positive.
This past weekend, the Toledo Rowing Club hosted The Frogtown Regatta. There were 319 registered boats from 32 boat clubs (Bay City, Cinci, Detroit, Dublin, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and more). As usual, almost non existent press on the event. In fact, the only thing I saw was the ad in The Blade for the Maumee River Fest that listed Toledo Rowing as a sponsor and mentioned the upcoming Saturday races. Not even the news stations that I watched had any coverage. All of these out of towners, enjoying our waterfront, eating in our restaurants, etc. and not a mention. Several of the out of town clubs commented that Toledo has the nicest venue for rowing out of any other venue.

posted by llz on Sep 30, 2014 at 12:46:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

What does it say about Toledo that EVERYONE can agree we are under utilizing our river front but NO ONE can figure out how to fix it or what to do with it?

Is it lack of political leadership, or is a lack of solid Developers with solid plans?

posted by upso on Sep 30, 2014 at 01:19:23 pm     #   1 person liked this

upso posted at 01:19:23 PM on Sep 30, 2014:

What does it say about Toledo that EVERYONE can agree we are under utilizing our river front but NO ONE can figure out how to fix it or what to do with it?

Is it lack of political leadership, or is a lack of solid Developers with solid plans?

The developers aren't going to invest in money pits that will get undercut by the politicians in Toledo. Also, when the riverfront does get investors, those investments are used to campaign AGAINST the mayor who got the investments, and then the investors are chased out of town. But politicians will fork over money to Lyle Lanley, err, I mean Larry Dillin, who will show nice pictures and drawings, then disappear to Texas with that money.

posted by clt212 on Sep 30, 2014 at 01:32:44 pm     #   2 people liked this

This past weekend, the Toledo Rowing Club hosted The Frogtown Regatta. There were 319 registered boats from 32 boat clubs (Bay City, Cinci, Detroit, Dublin, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and more). As usual, almost non existent press on the event.

Did anyone write a press release? Call the media? Invite them for a spin on the river?

If the answer is yes, then shame on the media for missing out.

If the answer is no, then shame on the organizers for not doing these simple things.

posted by Anniecski on Sep 30, 2014 at 04:05:00 pm     #   2 people liked this

All of these out of towners, enjoying our waterfront, eating in our restaurants, etc. and not a mention

Can't report news. Komen Walk. pink.

Not to criticize coverage for a charity, and one of my very favorite people in the entire world is dealing with Cancer right now, but seriously? If you dared to turn on the local news this weekend, this was the only thing on.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 30, 2014 at 04:23:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

Anniecski, I don't know who all was called, but I personally called ch 13. There was a paid ad in The Blade, so someone down there would have been aware of it. There were signs in and around downtown directing people to Int'l Park. With 32 clubs, there were many, many trailers with 4-8 boats on them. There were vendors with tents, some of whom were set up Friday night. Not to mention all of the people that were walking along the river watching the races. There were so many people that we spotted people in pleasure craft taking pictures of all of us on shore! Owens Corning was a major sponsor and even had a couple of boats with employees in a race. It was a great event that started at 6 am and ended around 5:30. I'm sure the restaurants at the docks didn't mind the extra business either.

posted by llz on Sep 30, 2014 at 06:20:06 pm     #  

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