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Food Truck Restrictions

Seriously? Hizzoner doesn't have anything better to concern himself with than keeping food trucks a minimum of 100 feet away from existing restaurants?

How about letting the free market decide if we like what the food trucks have to offer better than some of the downtown restaurant fare?

Honest to God, politicians (especially those of the "D" stripe) have never met a gum't restriction they didn't love and want to force on everyone.

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What confuses me about this is that Toledo's government leaders love to have strip malls packed with food options. Why are strip mall food vendors exempt from this 100-foot restriction?

posted by clt212 on Jun 26, 2014 at 02:42:41 pm     #  

Investment dollars, most likely. It can cost hundreds of thousands to build out a brick and mortar restaurant. Food trucks cost what, $25 grand at most? I get the 100 foot rule, but city leaders need to understand that both offer two different dining experiences.

posted by Brewster on Jun 26, 2014 at 03:21:01 pm     #  

http://m.toledonewsnow.com/#!/newsDetail/25873359

The mayor says there are so many food trucks that he wants several restrictions put in place. This is so existing restaurants aren't run out of downtown.

Mayor Collins has proposed new rules that would limit the areas the mobile food trucks could operate in downtown. It would also limit the days of the week and the amount of time each day the food truck can operate in those locations. The trucks would not be allowed to be within 100 feet of an existing restaurant entrance. They also couldn't use city power outlets unless it is authorized.

View the proposed regulations here.

http://bit.ly/1nFEJpf

posted by jr on Jun 26, 2014 at 03:36:08 pm     #  

It's all politics. You can spend over $100k for a new fully equipped mobile food truck. (Even the pick-up truck that pulls Rosie's trailer cost more than $25k). Some restaurant owners who rightly or wrongly felt their business was being adversely affected by the food trucks complained to their council people or the mayor's office - the city has a lot bigger problems to deal with than take this up on their own.

posted by Mike21 on Jun 26, 2014 at 03:41:51 pm     #   5 people liked this

I understand the restaurant owners complaints as well. These food trucks aren't paying any rent or property taxes, utilities, etc. and downtown businesses have a downtown improvement assessment. These trucks are also taking away parking spots from potential customers

I think the truck's should be allowed but they should have to pay a fee to park there.

posted by classylady on Jun 26, 2014 at 03:55:40 pm     #  

Yeah... but to play devil's advocate, the restaurants might have liquor licenses... or parking lots. Food trucks aren't going to put any restaurants out of businesses that weren't already heading in that direction anyways. And frankly, if the restaurants concerned can't figure out ways to fight back (with new items or specials) then they can't handle competition in general.

It'd be like an established restaurant fighting a Mc Donalds going in across the street. Mc Donalds can afford to sell things for dirt cheap, offer loss leaders and be open 24-7.

Competition is competition. Businesses have to stay on their toes!

posted by upso on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:14:42 pm     #   11 people liked this

Aren't some of the food trucks an extension of existing brick and mortar, property tax paying, utility paying restaurants? Wouldn't more food options help position downtown as a place to go?
Doesn't everybody get free street parking downtown during lunch?
Don't food trucks create jobs? Don't people with jobs pay payroll taxes? Don't food trucks buy food supplies, and restock the next day?
Classic anti-business bullchit.
If your existing, established restaurant is "threatened" by a food truck, maybe you should examine your competitiveness, service, selections, and product quality.

posted by justread on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:14:47 pm     #   5 people liked this

Get out of my head, upso. :D

posted by justread on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:15:32 pm     #  

upso posted at 04:14:42 PM on Jun 26, 2014:

Yeah... but to play devil's advocate, the restaurants might have liquor licenses... or parking lots. Food trucks aren't going to put any restaurants out of businesses that weren't already heading in that direction anyways. And frankly, if the restaurants concerned can't figure out ways to fight back (with new items or specials) then they can't handle competition in general.

It'd be like an established restaurant fighting a Mc Donalds going in across the street. Mc Donalds can afford to sell things for dirt cheap, offer loss leaders and be open 24-7.

Competition is competition. Businesses have to stay on their toes!

Amen!

posted by Foodie on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:22:53 pm     #  

justread posted at 04:14:47 PM on Jun 26, 2014:

Aren't some of the food trucks an extension of existing brick and mortar, property tax paying, utility paying restaurants? Wouldn't more food options help position downtown as a place to go?
Doesn't everybody get free street parking downtown during lunch?

Don't food trucks create jobs? Don't people with jobs pay payroll taxes? Don't food trucks buy food supplies, and restock the next day?

Classic anti-business bullchit.

If your existing, established restaurant is "threatened" by a food truck, maybe you should examine your competitiveness, service, selections, and product quality.

Amen again!

posted by Foodie on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:23:20 pm     #  

justread posted at 04:15:32 PM on Jun 26, 2014:

Get out of my head, upso. :D

clearly great minds think alike ;)

posted by upso on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:29:23 pm     #  

Food truck operators pay almost as many bills as the brick and mortar places. They buy gas for their generators instead of writing a check to Edison. They buy propane instead of writing a check to Columbia Gas. They pay the city for the water they fill their tanks up with. Instead of a mortgage or rent, they have a truck payment and insurance on it. They pay the employees wages and workman's comp to run them. They have to get a license from the city to operate and are held to the same standards by the health department. They take chances on rainy, snowy and cold days and they already operate on limited hours. And who knows - if a food truck is successful enough, perhaps they will open a brick and mortar location. Let the consumers decide where they want to eat.

posted by Mike21 on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:29:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

Yeah, I think you can look at some trucks as extensions of brick & mortars and other trucks as incubators for future brick & mortars.

The ones that don't fit into either one of those models probably aren't going to be very disruptive either way as one truck can only prep and serve so much food in a given day.

posted by upso on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:33:35 pm     #  

I say let the restaurant owners decide if they want to participate in this sham. All participating restaurants then PAY the city additional property tax on the 200 ft. (100ft on left + 100ft on right) protection zone in front of their restaurants, AND if the restaurant is behind in taxes, food trucks will be allowed to park anywhere within that protected zone until taxes are paid. $'s collected can then be used on the Erie Street Market improvements.

posted by GTVT on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:58:09 pm     #   4 people liked this

Food trucks aren't going to put any restaurants out of businesses that weren't already heading in that direction anyways.

And frankly, if the restaurants concerned can't figure out ways to fight back (with new items or specials) then they can't handle competition in general.

We'll said. The reaction by Collins makes me think the downtown Toledo restaurant biz is very fragile if they are threatened by food trucks. Two very different "dining" experiences.

Sometimes time permits a sit-down lunch while other times the pref is for a quick walk to grab a tasty sandwich and beverage and some quality standing time in nice weather and then back to the grind PDQ.

Do other cities impose similar restrictions?

Standing around eating outside with pals by a food vendor seems like a big city type of function.

posted by jr on Jun 26, 2014 at 04:59:59 pm     #  

Perhaps they need to start taxing to-go orders at brick & mortar stores? Currently to-go is not taxed, so the city is not making ANY money on that.

Perhaps that's the real issue? The food trucks aren't charging sales tax because it's 100% to-go?

Food for thought! (pun intended!)

posted by upso on Jun 26, 2014 at 05:05:39 pm     #   1 person liked this

They are paying other taxes though. And creating jobs... so... there's that.

"Aren't some of the food trucks an extension of existing brick and mortar, property tax paying, utility paying restaurants?"

Grumpy's, Rosies, Ottawa Tavern, hell - even Chick-fil-A is down there.

posted by toledolen_ on Jun 26, 2014 at 05:12:13 pm     #  

Not sure how accurate this is...

BUT

I’ve heard it’s ICE and (maybe?) the Mud Hens complaining about the competition. So, they should step up and open their own trucks? I can see it now! A Muddy the Mudhen Muffaletta truck, and an ICE just general shitty food and atmosphere truck! They’ll kill it!

posted by toledolen_ on Jun 26, 2014 at 05:26:34 pm     #   1 person liked this

I know they've really put a dent in Portland's brick and mortar restaurants. This is a halfhearted attempt at sarcasm.

http://caroundtheworld.com/2011/07/13/portland-food-trucks/

posted by SavageFred on Jun 26, 2014 at 05:34:47 pm     #  

Glad you brought that up SavageFred. We actually have a friend that moved out that way a couple of years to do a food truck because the scene didn't exist here yet. Her food is AMAZING syrian dishes and it would be amazing to encourage her to move back and be a part of Toledo's new movement.

posted by upso on Jun 26, 2014 at 05:37:50 pm     #  

"an ICE just general shitty food and atmosphere truck"

There is one. You just can't find it.

posted by justread on Jun 26, 2014 at 07:29:46 pm     #  

upso posted at 05:05:39 PM on Jun 26, 2014:

Perhaps they need to start taxing to-go orders at brick & mortar stores? Currently to-go is not taxed, so the city is not making ANY money on that.

Perhaps that's the real issue? The food trucks aren't charging sales tax because it's 100% to-go?

Food for thought! (pun intended!)

Sales tax is assessed by the state and counties. Toledo gets no revenue from sales tax but they should benefit from income tax on the employees and business profit.

Toledo can't stand not having their fingers in something going on.

posted by MrsArcher on Jun 26, 2014 at 10:58:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

In the case of Chik-Fil-A they don't even have a truck. They just set up a tarp downtown and bring the sandwiches in hotbag's premade. I recognize the employees from the location inside in the mall. I am sure Chik-Fil-A wouldn't be happy if Ice was allowed to set up an awning in front of the mall rent free and sell sandwich's. Or if another competitor was allowed to come onto the mall's parking lot and park a food truck there for free.

I feel a good compromise would be to allow downtown vendors to set up tents/tarps in that area for free if they allow the food trucks.

posted by classylady on Jun 27, 2014 at 01:00:57 am     #  

No difference between food in a truck or under a tent. The more the merrier! The OT truck is a downtown business. As is Grumpys.

posted by toledolen_ on Jun 27, 2014 at 02:14:18 am     #  

classylady posted at 01:00:57 AM on Jun 27, 2014:

In the case of Chik-Fil-A they don't even have a truck. They just set up a tarp downtown and bring the sandwiches in hotbag's premade. I recognize the employees from the location inside in the mall. I am sure Chik-Fil-A wouldn't be happy if Ice was allowed to set up an awning in front of the mall rent free and sell sandwich's. Or if another competitor was allowed to come onto the mall's parking lot and park a food truck there for free.

I feel a good compromise would be to allow downtown vendors to set up tents/tarps in that area for free if they allow the food trucks.

What brick and mortar restaurant do you own/work for?

posted by dell_diva on Jun 27, 2014 at 06:17:01 am     #  

ICE, Foccacias and the Mud Hens are the ones complaining. Frankly, I don't normally wish to spend $30 for lunch for two, sit inside on a sunny day and eat generally meh sandwiches. (They'd be less meh if they didn't cost so much).
As Upso and Justread stated, they need to understand that the trucks offer a different option. There are days when a full sit-down sounds good, and days I just want to grab a cheap sandwich and sit under a tree.

posted by Brewster on Jun 27, 2014 at 07:19:36 am     #   1 person liked this

In the summer, Leadership Toledo should do an event called "Food Truck Week" with a list of food trucks and locations that people can try out all week. The food trucks get some press, Leadership Toledo raises some money, and more people come downtown that week.

It could be held at Promenade Park, and in future years, in the parking garage for Promedica when the park is converted to parking.

posted by justread on Jun 27, 2014 at 07:31:46 am     #  

One question: how often are the trucks in the downtown core? I was under the impression it was only Thursday afternoons, but I just spoke with one restauranter who said its everyday now. Can anyone verify this?

posted by Brewster on Jun 27, 2014 at 07:42:46 am     #  

I wonder if Toledo, Ohio is the only city that can make eating lunch downtown politically complex.


Excerpts from a Jun 27, 2014 Ottawa Tavern Facebook post

The mantra of all entrepreneurs must be "Competition will make me better!" Once you stop believing and following this one simple rule, you are bound for the heap of businesses that failed to get better through innovation, superior customer service, and quality products at a fair price.

... this type of legislation is a knee jerk reaction to something that needs no legislation. the market ALWAYS sorts itself out PERIOD!


The above post shared this humorous post. I doubt city government is aware enough to realize that the "youngsters" are making fun of them and their business buddies.

Excerpts:

BREAKING NEWS: City of Toledo moves to enact ban on Keeping it Real. -- In a city known for it's progressive stance on non-progression, leading the way in falling behind, and saying "yes" to "NO!," Toledo, Ohio has issued a warning to anyone in the city limits attempting to keep it real. Punishments may include fines, complacency, and/or relocation.

"We can't just have everyone going around keeping it real all the time. How real is too real? Someone might get hurt. They might break a rule, and worse, they could create forward motion. We don't want that," a spokesperson for the Mayor's office said, wishing to remain anonymous. "Toledo has built a reputation for declining population, loss of buildings, and an incredible sense of cultural stasis. We need to protect that," the spokesperson continued.

In a city that has been in economic and cultural free fall for decades, Adam Sattler, a local Keep It Realer, says keeping it real is a tough pill for Toledo to swallow, mostly because it's not Ambian or Qualudes. "You haven't even been able to get Ludes here in decades," Sattler said. "They want us to stop keeping it so real, but to be honest, I'm not even sure what the other options are. I look around to the cities where nearly every person I have ever met or grew up with has moved to and everyone there is keeping it so real. I don't know, it looks fun. So I thought, 'Why not here?'" Sattler said.

The controversial new legislation is largely being driven by the local business community who is leading a movement through an unconventional business style of trying to build something out of nothing and keeping it that way. One business owner, who also wished to remain anonymous had this to say: "if people start coming in, if we start getting customers, we're just going to have to start ordering supplies and keeping books and hiring people. Who wants to deal with all that?!"

With a tug of war on both sides, it's hard to tell how real this Keep It Real battle might get. The matter will be brought to the floor in a Toledo City Council meeting on Tuesday, July 1 at 1pm.

When asked for comment on the lesser known but growing Keep it Trill movement, the Mayoral rep became visibly ill and muttered "oh god" before passing out.


It doesn't take long for the new Toledo mayor to become the latest buffoon cartoon character.

It's just lunch. If Toledo cannot handle eating lunch well, how can the city accomplish anything more difficult?

posted by jr on Jun 27, 2014 at 09:02:08 am     #   7 people liked this

@Brewster, a couple of the trucks are downtown everyday. But the majority are here on Tuesday and Thurs.

I haven't really priced anything out of Chik-Fil-A and their prices in the downtown tent are less than their Franklin Park store prices.

I am sure if a downtown restaurant set up a food truck in the street outside of some these food trucks physical restaurants and undercut their prices, those food truck vendors wouldn't be happy

posted by classylady on Jun 27, 2014 at 09:44:42 am     #  

Why would the Mud Hens be complaining? It's not like I can walk into the stadium during lunch hour and get a hot dog. Could this be a preemptive challenge for the proposed entertainment district they are developing?

posted by daddyg on Jun 27, 2014 at 09:48:23 am     #  

@justread - Not a bad idea. You should suggest that to Dave S. and Anna at LT. Might be worth exploring.

posted by wahhutch9 on Jun 27, 2014 at 09:58:00 am     #  

daddyg posted at 09:48:23 AM on Jun 27, 2014:

Why would the Mud Hens be complaining? It's not like I can walk into the stadium during lunch hour and get a hot dog. Could this be a preemptive challenge for the proposed entertainment district they are developing?

I could see them worrying about food trucks parking around the ballpark trying to capitalize on people going to the game... but I think there is already legislation on the books disallowing vendors within X amount of feet of brick & mortar joints.

As for ICE? Makes sense. Their location is already terrible enough and having trucks at Levis must feel pretty insulting.

As for Focaccias? Isn't that the same company that owns the Blarney? And don't they have a second focaccia location in 811 madison? They must be hurting if they are complaining about competition yet they have 3 brick & mortar locations downtown and ... I think they deliver? What are they worried about?

posted by nits on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:30:51 am     #  

I think the food trucks should be sitting up in other places in the city on the weekends. It would be a good way to promote their food to other areas of the city to residents that don't work downtown or live or work near their brick and mortar restaurants.

West Toledo would be great. I'm sure they could work out a deal with KeyBank or one of the other office buildings next to the mall that is closed on the weekends to rent out space in their parking lots for dirt cheap and set up picnic tables. The business by the mall would win by getting a little bit of extra revenue when they don't need the parking lot anyway (or even allow the food trucks to use the lot for free for free advertising) and it would allow customers to try new food options for a reasonable price and would give the restaurants exposure and get them future customers at their locations if they impress the customers with the food.

Another good spot would be the sear's or EB lot on central/secor. Lot's of street traffic and the parking lots are never full so plenty of room to spare.

If they were really smart, they would work out a deal with UT or whoever owns that lot at Dorr/Secor and set up a couple days out of the week. Lot's of traffic and would give the students a great opportunity to try some local food.

I would think they would get a lot more business setting up at the UT lot on Dorr/Secor or by the mall than they would downtown

posted by classylady on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:39:56 am     #  

Pretty sure the Ottawa tavern and grumpys trucks are parking all around the city and not focusing on downtown. Could be wrong... Not that the legislation in question is even focused on downtown... Or is it?

posted by upso on Jun 27, 2014 at 10:49:24 am     #  

Nits, the same guy that owns the Blarney also owns Focassia's and he has a place at 811 Madison, but the place at 811 Madison is more of an employee cafeteria type place than a dine in restaurant. His sister owns Ice, so the family has a lot of $ invested in downtown establishments.

I believe they have something like a $25 minimum for a delivery at the Blarney. That is something that irritates me about working downtown, a lot of restaurants charge to deliver when it should be free since they can walk. Lazeez's and Jimmy John's are the only two places I know of that deliver for free. Pita Pitt charges $2 or $2.50 to delivery downtown or the warehouse district plus they want a tip on top of that to deliver a $8 sandwich.

I'm sure the Blarney is a gold mine, but Foscassia's is only open for lunch and is sort of hidden being in a large office building.

Something the downtown/warehouse district restaraunts should consider is partnering with a delivery company like most big cities have. Use one company that has all the menus and will deliver for a reasonable price downtown.

posted by classylady on Jun 27, 2014 at 11:02:05 am     #  

So... 3 restaurants all owned by the same family plus the Mud Hens are the only ones complaining about this? As said before, if your restaurant(s) are on the verge of failing because of competition from food trucks, I think you might have some bigger problems than the mentioned food trucks.

Toledo: Where we keep doing the same things over and over again and expect different results.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Jun 27, 2014 at 11:24:05 am     #  

"Something the downtown/warehouse district restaraunts should consider is partnering with a delivery company like most big cities have. Use one company that has all the menus and will deliver for a reasonable price downtown."

So much easier said than done. The restaurants need to have specific computer systems in place, and that's a lot to ask from one off / small businesses.

Much easier to justify & implement in bigger markets. Downtown doesn't have the demand / foot traffic yet to get something like this going.

posted by upso on Jun 27, 2014 at 11:43:32 am     #  

"Something the downtown/warehouse district restaraunts should consider is partnering with a delivery company like most big cities have. Use one company that has all the menus and will deliver for a reasonable price downtown."

If I am a downtown restaurant owner that is bitching about the competition from food trucks, I'm not going to participate in a food delivery service where I am included in one big website with competing businesses.

posted by dell_diva on Jun 27, 2014 at 11:53:05 am     #  

upso posted at 10:49:24 AM on Jun 27, 2014:

Pretty sure the Ottawa tavern and grumpys trucks are parking all around the city and not focusing on downtown. Could be wrong... Not that the legislation in question is even focused on downtown... Or is it?

According to the wording, the new rules only apply to downtown.

Excerpts from the proposed ordinance. - pdf file

ORD. ____-14

Enacting a new Toledo Municipal Code Chapter 746, “Mobile Food Vendors- Downtown”.

Summary and Background:

A proliferation of on-street mobile food vendors has necessitated the adoption of provision to the Municipal Code to insure fair, safe and orderly regulations. A new Chapter 746 will enact needed regulations of this activity.

Twelve (12) designated zones within Downtown Toledo will allow for mobile food vending operations. These zones are detailed below.

A mobile food vendor may apply for revocable street privileges that run for a twelve-months. The annual fee shall be $1,000.00. Payment is required prior to issuance of the revocable street privilege.

The city may issue no more than twenty (20) revocable street privileges for mobile food vending per year.

Whoever violates any provision of this chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. Each day that any person engages in selling any goods without the proper permit/privilege, as provided in this chapter, shall constitute a separate offense.

The seven-page document contains detailed information on the definition of mobile food vendors, time and locations where the vendors can operate, the application process, and a long list of other rules.


Some links for a few of the food trucks:

Rosie's Rolling Chef


Grumpy's on the Go


The Displaced Chef Mobile Cuisine


Wanderlust Sandwich Co. Food Truck - (Ottawa Tavern's truck)


Nov 12, 2013 - Toledo Blade - Food trucks provide moving downtown dining experience - "Some local restaurants savor results from fast-growing trend"

"Lisa Deeter, co-owner of Deet’s BBQ, center, takes orders from hungry customers in the company’s food truck in downtown Toledo."

It took awhile, but the food-truck phenomenon that has been blossoming in Ohio’s largest cities and other metro areas across the United States finally has motored its way to downtown Toledo.

For now, it’s limited to two or three trucks and a tent on St. Clair Street adjacent to Levis Square. They are there on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 11 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.

But those involved in the mobile dining experiment are hoping to keep it going through the winter and possibly see it blossom next spring to give downtown workers and visitors some tasty cuisine while out for a noontime stroll in Toledo.

“What we’ve done is we’ve sold parking meters [along St. Clair Street] to whoever wanted to come down. Rosie’s did it, and then Bueno Vida, and then Deet’s,” said Bill Thomas, head of the Downtown Toledo Improvement District, a special assessment district created by downtown property owners to provide benefits within a defined 38-block area.

Bill Wersell, vice president of business development services for the Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce, which is helping the food-truck operators, said he was surprised the idea hadn’t been tried before.

“Food trucks are the fastest growing segment in the food-service industry as a whole," said Brian Reed, president of the fledgling Central Ohio Food Truck Association.

“We have areas in Columbus where restaurants can’t really make it, but food trucks are a perfect fit for the lunch crowd. And the technology has evolved as to what you can do on a truck,” Mr. Reed said.


Here's the part that Collins apparently wants to regulate.

Creating synergy

On a Tuesday last month, [Mayor Bell] stopped by to see the trucks at lunchtime and talk to customers about what they thought.

“We’ve been working on this for a while, but it’s great now that it’s happening,” Mr. Bell said. “A guy just walked past me and said, ‘I feel like I’m in Chicago!’ This is definitely something that hasn’t been done before here.

“I’m just enjoying the synergy this creates. We’re trying to invigorate Toledo,” the mayor added.

Downtown workers like the idea too.

“This is cool. It’s just nice to see something different downtown,” said Barb Nichols, a downtown worker who ordered food from Mr. Hodge’s Bueno Vida food truck.

“I just like it — period,” said Elaine Szilagye, Ms. Nichols’ co-worker. “It’s nice to get out of the office.”

“People are loving it,” Bob Deeter said.

The complaints:

However, not everyone is thrilled with the arrival of the food-truck experience.

Mr. Thomas of the downtown improvement district said he has fielded some complaints from downtown restaurants unhappy about the arrival of mobile competition.

A downtown ordinance says food trucks cannot operate within 100 feet of a bricks-and-mortar restaurant, and the location keeps them in compliance.

Mr. Thomas said once improvements to Promenade Park along the river are completed, the plan is to move the food truck vendors to Summit Street next spring.

“But I do think the food trucks have gotten some people out who wouldn’t have been out anyway. So, to some degree you can say the more the merrier, and you’re creating a lot of interest in the downtown,” Mr. Thomas said.

posted by jr on Jun 27, 2014 at 12:30:40 pm     #  

Really?! "A proliferation" of food trucks "has necessitated... needed regulations" and a $1000 annual fee?! I hope the food truck vendors don't start complaining that the proliferation of brick and mortar restaurants downtown necessitates a $1000 annual fee...

posted by Mike21 on Jun 27, 2014 at 12:40:03 pm     #  

So this regulation will in effect just encourage food trucks to disperse around the city, effectively discouraging a food truck "scene"

Great job toledo! It's hilarious to me, that last year's downtown food truck weekly meet-ups (at levis court?) were coordinated by the chamber and now the city is trying to regulate.

Are the chamber and the city not working together?! I'm not sure who is more at fault here in the clusterfuck. The city or the chamber?

posted by nits on Jun 27, 2014 at 12:40:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

Maybe that one guy with the burrito truck who has been around for years is behind all this.

posted by justread on Jun 27, 2014 at 12:41:28 pm     #  

This type of nonsense is emblematic of why nearly all of my friends have abandoned Toledo. Although there are lots of great people making shit happen, they are overwhelmingly outnumbered by those with no vision, so spirit, reactionary management, and entitled attitudes. If somebody wants to sell a goddamned sandwich out of truck, make sure they meet the health code, charge them a daily permit fee and get out of the way.

As my dad used to say: You could f*#k up a free lunch.
Toledo has been making a point of it.

posted by SavageFred on Jun 27, 2014 at 12:55:16 pm     #   7 people liked this

Another brilliant political move. Way to chase away the food trucks by implementing the $1000 fee. If I owned one I'd certainly just move to other areas of town.

posted by OneMoreBourbon on Jun 27, 2014 at 01:16:59 pm     #  

Excellent article from the Columbus Dispatch regarding the relationship between downtown restaurants and food trucks. I've said it before... Toledo could learn a thing or two from Columbus:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/04/08/eats-on-streets-ok.html

"The Central Ohio Restaurant Association, which met with food-truck owners, also supports the legislation.

The new rules create an appeals process for restaurant owners who want food trucks parked near their establishments to move.

Tom Hart, an attorney for the restaurant association, said Columbus restaurants were never concerned about added competition from food trucks. Rather, he said, they worried that too many people massing between a restaurant and a truck could create safety problems."

posted by dell_diva on Jun 27, 2014 at 01:17:44 pm     #   5 people liked this

Yet another reason we look forward to retirement - and putting Tole-duh in the rear view mirror.

The a$$hat politics of this city and county will NEVER change.

But, hey Toledoans! Just keep on voting the same way you always have - just to be extra sure that nothing changes for the better.

Stupid is as stupid does.

posted by Foodie on Jun 27, 2014 at 01:50:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

Apparently, one side consists of:

  • Food truck vendors
  • Downtown Toledo Improvement District
  • Toledo Area Chamber of Commerce
  • Former Mayor Mike Bell

And apparently, the other side consists of:

  • ICE
  • Foccacias
  • Mud Hens
  • Current Mayor Mike Collins

Crazy question: Did both sides ever meet together to discuss their concerns and to create an agreeable solution?

I'm guessing not, based upon this morning's Ottawa Tavern Facebook posting which said:

... this type of legislation is a knee jerk reaction to something that needs no legislation.

If no gathering occurred, then the Collins administration is being embarrassingly one-sided and narrow-minded on this issue.

Mayor Collins is proposing new regulations because of this :

  • it’s great
  • I feel like I’m in Chicago!
  • People are very excited.
  • enjoying the synergy
  • We’re trying to invigorate Toledo
  • Downtown workers like the idea too.
  • This is cool.
  • It’s nice to see something different downtown.
  • I just like it — period.
  • People are loving it.

Yeah, that sounds like a lot of lawlessness. We need new regulations because some vendors and many downtown employees and visitors are enjoying themselves too much.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, the food truck vendors already have to comply with numerous laws and regulations.

I could understand new regulations if the food truck vendors were destroying property or causing mass littering, but I think we already have laws against those activities.

What destructive behavior are the food truck vendors engaging in that requires Mayor Collins to propose new regulations? Lunch food competition? Is that what Collins defines as destructive behavior?

Or is this all politics? Maybe some people donated money to some campaign last fall, and now it's time to return the favor. I imply nothing.

Jan 3, 2014 Toledo Blade story

D. Michael Collins officially became Toledo’s mayor on Thursday with the promise to revive a century-old adage: “You will do better in Toledo.”

The 2014 version:

"You will do better in Toledo if you are politically connected."

http://itmatterswhereyoumakeit.com

New contribution:

"I MAKE it hard for people to have fun
IN TOLEDO."

posted by jr on Jun 27, 2014 at 03:16:50 pm     #   12 people liked this

In the news article, it says City Council is having a meeting on the issue at 1 o' clock on Tuesday and that you can sign up to "put your two cents in". Where do you sign up for this? Also, 1 pm on a Tuesday? Won't most of the people this could effect be at work at this time, you know downtown workers, who were the ones enjoying the food trucks?

The policies and actions of our city officials are downright infuriating at times. Ok, most of the time.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Jun 27, 2014 at 04:08:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

SPEAKING OF FOOD TRUCKS.....the Heildeberg Beer truck got stolen right out from under the driver at Meier's in Maumee. Seems he left the keys in the truck. Happened a couple hours ago and he is already a legend in Maumee.

posted by Molsonator on Jun 27, 2014 at 04:14:15 pm     #   2 people liked this

Maumee police towed the truck because they have a regulation prohibiting the parking of a beer truck within 100 feet of a store that sells competitor's beers.

posted by Mike21 on Jun 27, 2014 at 04:19:07 pm     #   5 people liked this

rofl nice one mike

posted by MIJeff on Jun 27, 2014 at 04:41:45 pm     #  

Be glad we're not more like Chicago. Chicago mandates the use of GPS in all food trucks - big brother monitors the trucks and doles out $2,000 fines to any truck selling food within 200 feet of any fixed business that serves food. Related legal challenges now in year 2 or 3.

Regulation like Toledo's proposals are fairly common. NY Times had a nice piece on Matt Geller of the National Food Truck Association, described him as the Cesar Chavez of the food truck movement. He's the one to aid the locals in organizing. http://nyti.ms/1h9PBhk

posted by bam2 on Jun 27, 2014 at 04:51:02 pm     #  

Gps as I know it isn't as accurate as you would want for that, up to 50' off sometimes depending on number of satellites being used. Well at least my older Garmin anyways, best I have ever had it was like 9 satellites and withing 28', imagine parking your truck in Chicago and suddenly it gets a wild hair and throws you within fine range, no thanks. That stuff right there is what helps prevent business from starting up.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 27, 2014 at 05:14:19 pm     #  

We're not Chicago though. We don't have a thriving downtown. What we do have is people trying to bring something new to the area, something we desperately need, and D. Michael Dipshit is inexplicably trying to kill it. Nice to see we have a mayor that has no backbone whatsoever.

One family and the Mud Hens are who is complaining! So because of that we must impose stupid regulations on small businesses who are owned by local citizens? What a fucking joke.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Jun 27, 2014 at 05:32:35 pm     #   12 people liked this

Shhhhh... Nobody tell these idiots that there's a whole show on Food Network devoted to food trucks. That might really send them over the edge.

posted by dell_diva on Jun 27, 2014 at 07:17:50 pm     #   10 people liked this

Anyone who owns a brick and mortar restaurant and fears competition from a food truck should get out of the business.

posted by JeepMaker on Jun 28, 2014 at 09:12:47 am     #   7 people liked this

Or buy a truck

posted by MIJeff on Jun 28, 2014 at 09:47:31 am     #   1 person liked this

Another stellar reporting job from the local paper today regarding this issue. They mention other Ohio cities who have food trucks and the fees the the cities charge. But the "reporter" didn't bother to research if other cities have the same restrictions or if other cities have pain-in-the-ass whiny restaurant owners such as Ed Becyznski who are using politics to protect their business.

posted by dell_diva on Jun 30, 2014 at 08:39:08 am     #   4 people liked this

Did the paper mention the classless, archaic way that Collins has handled this?

I heard that at least one of the food truck vendors learned about the new proposed regulations through his customers. The patrons knew before the business owner.

If true, were all the vendors blindsided by the new regs idea?

If so, that's offensive. It shows a serious lack of respect by Collins toward creative business people.

I would expect this behavior from dinosaur thinkers like Finkbeiner and Ford.

For mayor Collins as of June 2014, Robert Reinbolt is the mayor’s chief of staff. Reinbolt served as chief of staff under Czarty.

Maybe Reinbolt had nothing to do with this food truck issue, but I don't understand why a mayor in 2014 would retain relics from the dark ages who could poison Toledo's business and political environments.

It's possible that the proposed regs have merit, but Collins handled this without tact.

I know that it's "just" lunch from food truck vendors, but at some point, Toledo city government needs to stop playing bully politics. The Collins administration needs sensitivity training.

This has been another shiny example of the destructive Toledo government attitude that has plagued Toledo for many years.

Why was it so hard for the Collins Gang to act in a decent, humane way and initiate an intelligent, adult conversation with all concerned parties, instead of acting like the mayors from the Stone Age?

posted by jr on Jun 30, 2014 at 09:56:54 am     #   10 people liked this

GTVT: AND if the restaurant is behind in taxes, food trucks will be allowed to park anywhere within that protected zone until taxes are paid.

6F endorses this ^ 100%.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 30, 2014 at 11:11:46 am     #   5 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 11:11:46 AM on Jun 30, 2014:

GTVT: AND if the restaurant is behind in taxes, food trucks will be allowed to park anywhere within that protected zone until taxes are paid.

6F endorses this ^ 100%.

i like that idea a lot.

so... after reading this article: http://www.toledoblade.com/Food/2014/06/30/Toledo-City-Council-considers-food-truck-permits-regulations.html

I'm still a little confused. What about the satellite vendors, like the mexican truck that typically sets up shop at bancroft and ashland. Do they need to move into one of the regulated zones?

Or how about when we have food trucks at the Old West End festival? Do we need to move our food courts to the regulated zones?

Heck, the museum had food trucks last saturday at their big "art of the video games" opening. Would that be allowed under the new proposed legislation?

I don't mind the notion of zones that encourage growth but I don't think they should be the only places to allow trucks. I get that there will probably be special use permits, but that's just more red tape.

posted by upso on Jun 30, 2014 at 11:21:42 am     #  

The collingwood arts center is having a food truck party in a couple of weeks. Would this be allowed under the new legislation?

https://www.facebook.com/events/1433772153551591

posted by upso on Jun 30, 2014 at 11:24:26 am     #  

upso posted at 05:37:50 PM on Jun 26, 2014:

Glad you brought that up SavageFred. We actually have a friend that moved out that way a couple of years to do a food truck because the scene didn't exist here yet. Her food is AMAZING syrian dishes and it would be amazing to encourage her to move back and be a part of Toledo's new movement.

You'd do that to your friend? She's got a solid business going and a nice bunch of loyal customers, and you want her to move back to the gravel pit?

Man, Upso... I gotta say, that's pretty cold.

posted by madjack on Jun 30, 2014 at 03:46:45 pm     #  

I'm also confused about the proposed food truck zones and restrictions.

The Art Walk last week had several food trucks parked off Adams in a parking lot between the 1400 and 1500 block. Will this no longer be permitted since it isn't during the 10pm-3am allowed times?

Isn't Adams (North of the library) between 13th and 21st Streets only supposed to be a night time food truck zone?

There is also a food truck on East Broadway between Idaho and Navarre that has been selling Mexican food for several years. Same for the ribs & chicken truck on Bancroft near Detroit. He also parks at various other locations on particular days. Another rib truck/trailer has been parked just off Dorr, east of Reynolds for several years.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 30, 2014 at 03:54:04 pm     #  

From JR: I would expect this behavior from dinosaur thinkers like Finkbeiner and Ford.

I wouldn't call them dinosaur thinkers. Carlton Finkbeiner's mind is feed bag of rabid weasels. Crazy just rolls off him like heat waves off the hood of a New York Taxi in August.

By way of contrast, Jack Ford has been mistaken for the CPR dummy three times out of three. The man's so comatose he flatlines after three snorts of Bolivia's finest.

From JR: This has been another shiny example of the destructive Toledo government attitude that has plagued Toledo for many years.

It's emergent behavior. Consider the Toledo city council for a minute.

District 1: Tyrone Riley
District 2: Matt Cherry
District 3: Mike Craig
District 4: Paula Hicks-Hudson
District 5: Tom Waniewski
District 6: Lindsay Webb

At-Large Council Members
Theresa Gabriel
Jack Ford
Rob Ludeman
Sandy Spang
Larry Sykes
Steven Steel

Only one person on this list actually understands what's going on and how to fix it. There's a second person that gets it right about half the time. The others are incompetent.

I read this list and I cannot believe that Larry Sykes holds an office. Sykes? Are you kidding me?

I've been reading Toledo Talk for a long time, and I've concluded that most of the people who contribute to the site are on the good side of the bell curve. I'll qualify that by stating that when I say 'most', I mean 99%. It's probably closer to 100% ever since JR took AnonymousCoward out back and shot him.

So here's my bourbon fueled question: Presuming the powers that be could rig an election, which of you would step up to the plate and serve on the Toledo city council, knowing that you have to put up with an unbelievable amount of stable dressing and stupidity from the Glass City rat pack?

And you have to do this stone cold sober.

Now me, I couldn't do it even if I wanted to, and I don't want to. I'd probably last about two meetings before I set off a cherry bomb under Ford's chair or told Lindsay Webb she needs a chauffeur because she's too stupid to drive.

Now consider that neither the Wingnuts nor the Moonbats could find anyone else to run, and these are the winners of the popularity contest.

If Toledo is ever going to get any better, the improvement will begin by replacing the Toledo city council, as well as replacing Mayor Dennis M. Collins with someone, anyone, who has a clue and a solid background in applied economics. Until then, no one should be surprised that one or more new business ventures gets curtailed by Mayor Dennis and his cohorts.

posted by madjack on Jun 30, 2014 at 04:28:00 pm     #   5 people liked this

We need to go back to a city manager type of government and let the mayor and council people go back to cutting ribbons or whatever they did back then.

posted by Mike21 on Jun 30, 2014 at 04:35:42 pm     #  

I had friends attend today's prelim meeting at the Blarney. Sounds like some developer / property owners are pretty anti food trucks in general, and then some like the guy that owns the Blarney wants the current legislation shut down.

I suspect tomorrow council will vote no on the current documents, and a more thoughtful approach will happen for round two. Word is Sandy Spang is being very insightful and bringing a lot of "best practices" documents to the table.

I hope they can figure this all out!

posted by upso on Jun 30, 2014 at 05:02:02 pm     #  

upso/6th - The proposed regulations would only apply to operation of food trucks within the central business district. From the municipal code, that means:

Beginning at a point which is the intersection of the southwesterly right-of-way line of Lafayette Street extended and the Harbor Line of the Maumee River; thence along such southwesterly right-of-way line of Lafayette Street to its intersection with the northwesterly right-of-way line of Michigan Street; thence along such northwesterly right-of-way line of Michigan Street to its intersection with the northwesterly right-of-way line of Spielbusch Avenue; thence along such northwesterly right-of-way line of Spielbusch Avenue to its intersection with the northeasterly right-of-way line of Cherry Street; thence along such northeasterly right-of-way line of Cherry Street to its intersection with the Harbor Line of the Maumee River; thence along such Harbor Line of the Maumee River to the point of beginning.

So it's the area bounded by Lafayette, Michigan, Spielbusch, and Cherry, up to the river.

posted by brainswell on Jun 30, 2014 at 05:06:39 pm     #  

Also, private property within the central business district is exempt in the proposal.

posted by brainswell on Jun 30, 2014 at 05:11:04 pm     #  

This just popped up in my event feed on FB if anyone is interested:
https://www.facebook.com/events/806095552758294

posted by upso on Jun 30, 2014 at 05:25:25 pm     #  

From the June 30, 2014 Blade story

Mr. Mazur said the ordinance would put Toledo in line with Ohio’s other large cities in regulation of mobile food vendors.

It's annoying when government and the media play the "Other Cities" card. The Blade writer failed to report whether the mayors in those other cities bullied their food truck vendors like mayor Collins.

Anti-bullying campaigns exist for schools and the Internet. We need an anti-bullying campaign directed at Toledo government.

More from the Blade story:

Ed Becyznski, the owner of Blarney Irish Pub and Focaccia’‍s Deli in the HCR ManorCare building, said he supports having vendors on the street, but wants it limited to one day a week because of the economic impact they have on the eateries.

“I am not against them. I think it is good to have variety. But we have to make it work for everybody,” he said. “When you sit at the same spot every day, instead of moving around, you are affecting the same places.”

In my opinion, the obvious question that Becyznski should ask is:

"Why are some customers choosing a food truck over a restaurant?"

More from the Blade story:

Councilman Michael Craig agreed that a level playing field is needed to balance the concerns of the “fixed-base” restaurants and the growing mobile food business.

While both are important to downtown revitalization, Mr. Craig said restaurants have to balance fixed costs and slow periods during the winter that make the booming summer months important to their profit margins.

“The legislation is designed to make the vendors move around so they are not preying on a certain restaurant,” he said. “You have to level the playing field and spread this around. I am not totally against the mobile vendors, but we have to make it work for everybody.”

Both Becyznski and Craig used the phrase, "make it work for everybody." That phrase is a red flag.

Our preferences for many things have changed over time due to technology or what we think is convenient.

Maybe our lunch-time eating preferences are changing, and the food trucks satisfy a demand. That's business. That's life. Old phrase: Innovate or die.

But for Toledo: If you cannot innovate, whine to government for help.

I'm surprised Toledo government never tried to legislate against Craigslist for siphoning off classified ad dollars from newspapers.

The Blarney must be on life-support if food trucks are a problem.

Excerpts from some Facebook comments posted to the June 30, 2014 Blade story, which express similar thoughts, posted elsewhere in this thread:

  • "If you own a brick and mortar restaurant, and you fear competition from a food truck, you're in the wrong business."
  • "Maybe the brick and motar need to up their games."
  • "The playing field is already level, if you put out good food at a good value people will choose your restaurant or mobile kitchen."
  • "Competition is a good thing, if you're worried about food trucks hurting your business, then perhaps you should step up your game and offer something better."
  • "Mayor Collins just proves how recklessly reactionary he is."
  • "Its NOT the Mayor or Council's job to "level the playing field." "
  • "Competition gives the consumer more choices and also eliminates inferior products in the market place!"
  • "These measures are hardly leveling the playing field, but rather placing additional burdens on the vendors, and taking choices away from the people."

posted by jr on Jun 30, 2014 at 05:28:16 pm     #   10 people liked this

Word on the street is this is mostly Joe Napoli & Dave Ball. You would think with all of the “investments” they have in the downtown area that they would want to encourage progress. What if all the food trucks just decide to move across the river to the east side? Sure, that will help out the mayor’s poor handling of that part of town but it won’t help Napoli & Ball out because the people will follow.

David Ball has a lot of properties downtown: http://www.showcase.com/b/commercial-real-estate/Dave-Ball/3657647 Doesn’t he get that you need more attractions to attract people to rent your space?

And Napoli has been crying “911 concerns” in regards to not letting trucks park near the park. It was mentioned in the meeting today (that I hope the blade was at!) and has been mentioned elsewhere. So you’re telling me trucks aren’t allowed downtown near the ball park at all? What if i’m moving into the Commodore Perry? No U-Haul trucks during game days? What if I work at frickers and am having something delivered via UPS? No go on game day?

Wait… does Napoli even work for Homeland Security? Is he setting the policy or following established laws / rules with these claims? Will council even address this tomorrow?

I really hope the blade & others do more research on this. Napoli and Ball need to be grilled a little more on their involvement in getting Collins to push this legislation forward and Collins needs to admit why he brought it forward in the first place.

From what i’m gathering anecdotally, Toledo WANTS food trucks and a food truck scene. I think the city should step out of the picture entirely and let the scene grow and figure itself.

Good grief!

posted by nits on Jun 30, 2014 at 09:46:15 pm     #   5 people liked this

Recruit businesses to let you park in their lot and don't worry about a thing.

posted by Hoops on Jun 30, 2014 at 09:55:37 pm     #  

The primary complainers regarding the food trucks have had every edge possible handed to them throughout this phoney downtown renaissance, via tax credits, abatements, etc, yet they are complaining about food trucks dipping into their fishbowl.

Despite being in the pockets of several local politicians, they don't own downtown. So, instead of complaining and trying to receive additional, unfair competitive advantages, they should work harder to compete with the food trucks or get out of the way, because the market wants the food trucks.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 30, 2014 at 10:28:06 pm     #   9 people liked this

*phony

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 30, 2014 at 10:32:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

"I really hope the blade & others do more research on this. Napoli and Ball need to be grilled a little more on their involvement in getting Collins to push this legislation forward and Collins needs to admit why he brought it forward in the first place."

That sounds like real journalism, following the money trail, if one exists, to see what influence it buys, if any.

Yeah, I'll keep hoping too for some investigation, but I'm sure a dog needs adopting, or the new fall fashion trends need to be announced.

Napoli has the Blade in his back pocket.

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/160718/22Aug2013/Mud_Hens_Development

Naturally, many people were jazzed about that proposed project. But some people had questions and a little confusion. The Blade editorial board, however, praised the project. That's why I don't expect any journalism from the paper about the food truck flap.

Supposedly:

Unlike most professional sports teams, the Toledo Mud Hens and Fifth Third Field are actually owned by the citizens of Lucas County.

I know the citizens own the stadium, but I don't know about the team.

A couple of concerns from last summer about the proposed coot project:

  • "I am in favor of renovating those buildings, but not at the expense of the taxpayer and businesses who sank a lot of money into their operations. The Mudhens and Lucas County have deep pockets and can out-compete any private restaurant owner."
  • "I agree with Pete that I don't really want my tax dollars going to more restaurants downtown. That's the big issue I have with government getting involved in projects like this."

All this shit needs a colonoscopy but it ain't gonna happen.

I'm guessing that big money buys preferential treatment from the hacks in government and the media. That's what happens on TV shows and in the movies.

posted by jr on Jun 30, 2014 at 11:13:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

For my lifetime (I'm turning 40 in about a month or so), I have watched the city try to force what they want downtown, business-wise. That has included a "festival marketplace" (now defunct), a science museum (that the voters have rejected, but was jammed in there anyhow), another marketplace (ESM, now essentially dead--with serious maintenance concerns), a convention center (again, rejected by voters but somehow built), and, of course, the stadiums (Huntington Center & 5/3rd Field). All of these efforts took millions upon millions of dollars to conceive, capitalize, and "prop up" (if need be). Not to mention the delinquent property tax bills totaling in the millions as well from private downtown property owners with "juice." And there are pie-in-the-sky proposals to spend more millions to move Owens downtown, move the UT law school downtown, do this, do that....all with "funding" from local government.

And now we have entrepreneurs coming in to generate economic activity, all on their own, not asking for anything other than to be left alone. No funding needed. They'll pay taxes. They'll create happy people downtown who would love to try ________ food for lunch....and they must be pounded into the ground and destroyed??? Because some asshole with political clout says it's unfair.

WTF?

Capital goes to where it is wanted. If this moves forward, it is a signal that capital still isn't wanted downtown. I've said it before and I will say it now: a true revival of downtown will only happen when it is the absolute best place in the region to do business.

Jeezus, doesn't Collins have an MBA from UT? What the fuck do they teach at that school???

posted by oldhometown on Jul 01, 2014 at 01:35:43 am     #   4 people liked this

On that note, what's the dollar amount on tax credits/breaks/etc. that Dave Ball and Joe Napoli have benefited from?

posted by toledolen_ on Jul 01, 2014 at 01:57:36 am     #  

This is a very interesting topic to say the least.

But here is an example.

If you are in Perrysburg driving down Route 20.

There is a McDonalds across the street from Chick Fil a
Walmart next to Meijer
KFC across the street from McDonalds
Lowes and Home Depot on the same street

If a restaurant feels like a food truck will put them out of business or is creating competition then be an entrepreneur and create a new business strategy to make people come into your brick and mortar restaurant versus getting your lunch from a food truck.

Also I just notice is there isn't one single person outside of the ball park selling peanuts, water, hotdogs or any merchandise.

When I am traveling around the country going to different MLB and NFL stadiums people are selling $1 peanuts and water along with other food items and the restaurants and bars are still busy. Yes, those stadiums are drawing 40,000+ people but lets embrace the free market and let people be competitive.

posted by aweberphoto on Jul 01, 2014 at 09:53:22 am     #   7 people liked this

What really bothers me about this is how much politicians in Toledo bitch and moan about how people don't live downtown or spend money downtown, yet when entrepreneurs set up shop downtown and attract people to spend money downtown, the politicians want to get rid of them!

So the guy from The Blarney only wants food trucks to operate one day a week. Ok, fine, then The Blarney only gets one day and Focaccias only gets one day. He wants to "make it work for everybody," so I think having The Blarney open one day, Focaccias open one day, and a competing food truck should work for him since that's making it work for everybody. Similar to how a food truck operator cannot stay in business only working once a week, he will soon see that his generic lunches, faux Irish cuisine, and pretty good beer selection only being offered once per week won't keep his places in business.

posted by clt212 on Jul 01, 2014 at 02:19:54 pm     #   5 people liked this

Why is Focaccia's upset? I'm sorry but we used to order to-go from them all the time. They would always screw something up. ALWAYS. Either they would forget something or make something wrong. Especially in the morning for breakfast. My boss would always call in breakfast for her and myself and I would go pick it up and the lady would be here's the corned beef. I would say there should also be a bagel. "That wasn't on the order", oh wait here it is. That happened pretty much every time I went to pick it up. I'm sorry but get over it. If you have three places and think food trucks will put you out of business then there are other factors involved. I can't justify spending $13-15 on lunch at focaccias (after leaving tip). I am ecstatic that we now have food trucks with good and reasonably priced food. After hearing the owner from Focaccia's say they should only be down here one day makes me want to not ever eat at his establishments.

posted by stooks on Jul 01, 2014 at 03:08:44 pm     #   3 people liked this

"Why is Focaccia's upset?"

Just a guess: When you have grown to rely on a captive audience, you get pretty upset when a truck pulls up near enough for that captive audience to have a nice change of pace.

I can still remember the taste of the predictable, yet tiring and worn out "Holy Toledo" on that dam bread with a side of potato salad.

I say VIVA LA TRUCK! We need a thread with a contact list of food truck vendors that we can contact and try to woo to our businesses.

posted by justread on Jul 01, 2014 at 03:27:15 pm     #   2 people liked this

the toledo city paper has a review of yesterday's meeting:
http://www.toledocitypaper.com/June-Issue-2-2014/Food-Truck-Drama-Part-II/

posted by upso on Jul 01, 2014 at 03:59:27 pm     #  

I dont know it sounds like the restaurant owners almost think they are somehow better than food truck operators. There are gourmet food trucks out there in some cities. The ones who oppose the trucks seem to be sneering down their noses at the trucks and sounds like they want to put them out of business.

posted by MIJeff on Jul 01, 2014 at 05:05:43 pm     #  

Audio from today's City Council meeting:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8HJyQS8JLAScENwc3dmUzdKbEU&usp=sharing&tid=0B8HJyQS8JLASZXB3UzNPSHNraDA#list

posted by toledolen_ on Jul 01, 2014 at 05:33:50 pm     #  

Of course, like money grubbing constitution raping red light cameras, food truck lockdowns are for SAFETY! If we save one life....
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/12-injured-philly-food-truck-explosion-24389803

posted by justread on Jul 01, 2014 at 08:04:55 pm     #  

Breaking news...all new Mexican food trucks will be exempt from this legislation. Toledo city members believe there is not enough options for Mexican food in Toledo.

posted by JoeyGee on Jul 01, 2014 at 08:49:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

Would parking the Garbage Salad Truck in front of Upso's restaurant mean he would have to fine himself for loading up food on the truck?

posted by MIJeff on Jul 01, 2014 at 08:56:16 pm     #  

MIJeff posted at 08:56:16 PM on Jul 01, 2014:

Would parking the Garbage Salad Truck in front of Upso's restaurant mean he would have to fine himself for loading up food on the truck?

for the record I am no longer involved with Grumpy's (left about 6 months ago) and am not sure how they are reacting to the proposed legislation.

That being said, I'm thrilled to see council not pass this round. I have many friends involved with the burgeoning scene, and I wish them well!

Hopefully this will encourage other prospective truck vendors to take the plunge!

posted by upso on Jul 01, 2014 at 11:27:12 pm     #  

toledolen_ posted at 05:33:50 PM on Jul 01, 2014:

Audio from today's City Council meeting:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8HJyQS8JLAScENwc3dmUzdKbEU&usp=sharing&tid=0B8HJyQS8JLASZXB3UzNPSHNraDA#list

you should all listen to this. it's AMAZING

posted by upso on Jul 02, 2014 at 01:02:02 am     #  

“I’m not worried about competition,” Mr. Becyznski said. “It makes my game better.”

Quit while you're behind Ed. Don't dig another hole next to the "level the playing field" hole.

posted by justread on Jul 02, 2014 at 06:35:46 am     #   2 people liked this

justread posted at 06:35:46 AM on Jul 02, 2014:

“I’m not worried about competition,” Mr. Becyznski said. “It makes my game better.”

Quit while you're behind Ed. Don't dig another hole next to the "level the playing field" hole.

His game only gets better (by default) when his competition is only allowed to be open one day a week.

posted by clt212 on Jul 02, 2014 at 08:18:10 am     #  

A couple of weeks ago we were at the TMA's Video Game opening party. Watching the sunset over white marble, with hip FOOD TRUCKS on Monroe, a friend in year 3 of Toledo residence turned to us and said, "I get Toledo now."

The Mayor's proposal (and actions) in this matter are strong evidence for something I have thought for a while -- that our city would be better under anarchy than under its current form of government.

posted by DaddyOh on Jul 02, 2014 at 08:53:37 am     #   3 people liked this

Lol want anarchy? go to a city manager and let council make all the decisions, would be like watching the board of elections.

posted by MIJeff on Jul 02, 2014 at 09:02:27 am     #  

Did anyone actually listen to the audio? Ed never said anything about one day a week.

posted by Brewster on Jul 02, 2014 at 09:18:13 am     #  

Maybe we didn't listen to the audio, but we read the article:

http://m.toledoblade.com/Politics/2014/07/02/Council-avoids-vote-on-food-trucks.html

posted by dell_diva on Jul 02, 2014 at 09:21:23 am     #   4 people liked this

Brewster posted at 09:18:13 AM on Jul 02, 2014:

Did anyone actually listen to the audio? Ed never said anything about one day a week.

You ever wake up and the rest of the class is gone and the lights are off?

posted by justread on Jul 02, 2014 at 09:30:33 am     #   5 people liked this

dell_diva posted at 09:21:23 AM on Jul 02, 2014:

Maybe we didn't listen to the audio, but we read the article:

http://m.toledoblade.com/Politics/2014/07/02/Council-avoids-vote-on-food-trucks.html

And this article http://www.toledoblade.com/Food/2014/06/30/Toledo-City-Council-considers-food-truck-permits-regulations.html

Two different articles, two different days, and two different writers, yet the same words. Interesting...

posted by clt212 on Jul 02, 2014 at 10:22:45 am     #  

From what I have heard (unverified, but from a credible source) is that Blarney was the one who proposed the nighttime entertainment zones for the trucks around the ballpark. The Mud Hens are trying to kill that idea to protect their Henville project/profits. If it's true, then why would Ed say one day a week? The proposed zone was 7 days a week. Anyway, he likely alluded to his sister who is very vocal about the one day a week restriction. Whatever. I am supportive of the food trucks. They are good for all and I've only spoken directly to one person who vehemently opposes it.

posted by Brewster on Jul 02, 2014 at 10:40:39 am     #  

Brewster- Thanks for that info. Hopefully he can get things cleared up with The Blade before the same exact line is used in a third article (the second writer could have at least changed the wording a bit).

How many restaurants are going to be part of Hensville? The opposition by the Mud Hens is surprising since it will be another season and a half until Hensville is ready to open. I guess I see the motivation to get rid of the competition well before you're ready to open, but it's obvious that the truck owners and the customers they are bringing to downtown aren't just going to take this lying down until April 2016 when the Hens open up their development.

posted by clt212 on Jul 02, 2014 at 11:03:23 am     #  

If Ed was misquoted, he should demand a clarification.

From Monday's article:
"Ed Becyznski, the owner of Blarney Irish Pub and Focaccia’s Deli in the HCR ManorCare building, said he supports having vendors on the street, but wants it limited to one day a week because of the economic impact they have on the eateries."

“I am not against them. I think it is good to have variety. But we have to make it work for everybody,” he said. “When you sit at the same spot every day, instead of moving around, you are affecting the same places.”

If that is not a fair characterization of his position, he should get a spokesperson.

If he is backpedaling, he should just stop.

posted by justread on Jul 02, 2014 at 11:12:12 am     #   4 people liked this

What annoys me about the Mud Hens argument is that they claim there is some MiLB rule about any vehicle parked within so many feet of a ballpark. I think some fact checking is in order, as I've heard the Columbus Clippers have food trucks outside their ballpark. I'd like to get some clarification on this rule since they keep throwing out that argument against the trucks.

posted by Brewster on Jul 02, 2014 at 12:39:48 pm     #  

Brewster posted at 12:39:48 PM on Jul 02, 2014:

What annoys me about the Mud Hens argument is that they claim there is some MiLB rule about any vehicle parked within so many feet of a ballpark. I think some fact checking is in order, as I've heard the Columbus Clippers have food trucks outside their ballpark. I'd like to get some clarification on this rule since they keep throwing out that argument against the trucks.

Well, great. If true, can we then expect the MiLB to pay additional taxes for those "so many feet" around the ballpark? Make them responsible for it's policing, maintenance, cleanliness?

Toledo and Lucas County Government = with few exceptions, a bunch of bought and paid for political hacks that couldn't properly manage 10 square feet of vacant land.

But, y'all will re-elect every damn one of them.

posted by Foodie on Jul 02, 2014 at 01:32:15 pm     #   1 person liked this

The Jul 2, 2014 Toledo Blade story states:

"Editor's Note: This article has been updated to clarify Mr. Becyznski‘‍s position regarding food trucks."

But I'm unsure what was clarified.

Again, from the June 30 Blade story :

Ed Becyznski, the owner of Blarney Irish Pub and Focaccia’‍s Deli in the HCR ManorCare building, said he supports having vendors on the street, but wants it limited to one day a week because of the economic impact they have on the eateries.

“I am not against them. I think it is good to have variety. But we have to make it work for everybody,” he said. “When you sit at the same spot every day, instead of moving around, you are affecting the same places.”

From the clarified July 2 story:

Ed Becyznski, the owner of Blarney Irish Pub and Focaccia’s Deli in the HCR ManorCare building, has said previously that he supports having vendors on the street, but wants food-truck service limited to one day a week because of the economic impact the trucks have on the eateries.

“I’m not worried about competition,” Mr. Becyznski said. “It makes my game better.”

I'm more "unclarified."

I expected the clarification to be that Mr. Becyznski never mentioned the one day a week idea, since that was never listed as a direct quote in the paper.

But apparently, Mr. Becyznski said that he is not worried about competition while at the same time wanting the food trucks limited to one day a week.
WTF

With a solid grasp of obfuscation, he's ready for an elected government position.

Above in this thread, I think that justread has posted some helpful clarification statements for Mr. Becyznski.

  • "Don't dig another hole next to the 'level the playing field' hole." >>
  • "If he is backpedaling, he should just stop." >>

I'm guessing that Mr. Becyznski's clarification line is his recent comment when he said, "It makes my game better," which is probably a reaction to what many have stated in the past week.

upso's June 26 comment

Food trucks aren't going to put any restaurants out of businesses that weren't already heading in that direction anyways.

And frankly, if the restaurants concerned can't figure out ways to fight back (with new items or specials) then they can't handle competition in general.

Competition is competition. Businesses have to stay on their toes!

posted by jr on Jul 02, 2014 at 05:16:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 09:30:33 AM on Jul 02, 2014:
Brewster posted at 09:18:13 AM on Jul 02, 2014:

Did anyone actually listen to the audio? Ed never said anything about one day a week.

You ever wake up and the rest of the class is gone and the lights are off?

I did have that happen to me. Turned out it was a fire drill, and the teacher and classmates just left me there...

posted by madjack on Jul 02, 2014 at 05:56:33 pm     #  

This whole food truck business didn't look all that attractive to me until I gave it some serious thought. I'm thinking:

Mad Jack's Mobile Martini Bar

Put together a full service bar and feature locally brewed beer on tap, and away we go. If business was good, I could expand with a pickup truck full of cocktail waitresses dressed for the season. In summer, we'll do the tiki bar theme with some of those tiki torches, artificial palm trees and girls in grass skirts. I could even rent somebody's parking lot for the weekly Friday night happy hour, complete with live tiki band, dancing girls and a few native looking guys in loin clothes juggling live torches.

Yep, Mad Jack's Martini Bar - where it's always five o'clock.

I think it's got a nice ring to it.

And I wouldn't even have to get into food. Let the local roach coaches take turns parking adjacent to me, and I'll bet their business picks up right away. Get two or three to show up, and we'll have a real party.

Whattayathink?

posted by madjack on Jul 02, 2014 at 06:12:00 pm     #  

madjack posted at 05:56:33 PM on Jul 02, 2014:
justread posted at 09:30:33 AM on Jul 02, 2014:
Brewster posted at 09:18:13 AM on Jul 02, 2014:

Did anyone actually listen to the audio? Ed never said anything about one day a week.

You ever wake up and the rest of the class is gone and the lights are off?

I did have that happen to me. Turned out it was a fire drill, and the teacher and classmates just left me there...

I think it happened to me too.

posted by justread on Jul 02, 2014 at 06:40:24 pm     #  

jr posted at 05:16:32 PM on Jul 02, 2014:

The Jul 2, 2014 Toledo Blade story states:

"Editor's Note: This article has been updated to clarify Mr. Becyznski‘‍s position regarding food trucks."

But I'm unsure what was clarified.

Again, from the June 30 Blade story :

Ed Becyznski, the owner of Blarney Irish Pub and Focaccia’‍s Deli in the HCR ManorCare building, said he supports having vendors on the street, but wants it limited to one day a week because of the economic impact they have on the eateries.

“I am not against them. I think it is good to have variety. But we have to make it work for everybody,” he said. “When you sit at the same spot every day, instead of moving around, you are affecting the same places.”

From the clarified July 2 story:

Ed Becyznski, the owner of Blarney Irish Pub and Focaccia’s Deli in the HCR ManorCare building, has said previously that he supports having vendors on the street, but wants food-truck service limited to one day a week because of the economic impact the trucks have on the eateries.

“I’m not worried about competition,” Mr. Becyznski said. “It makes my game better.”

I'm more "unclarified."

I expected the clarification to be that Mr. Becyznski never mentioned the one day a week idea, since that was never listed as a direct quote in the paper.

But apparently, Mr. Becyznski said that he is not worried about competition while at the same time wanting the food trucks limited to one day a week.
WTF

With a solid grasp of obfuscation, he's ready for an elected government position.

Above in this thread, I think that justread has posted some helpful clarification statements for Mr. Becyznski.

  • "Don't dig another hole next to the 'level the playing field' hole." >>
  • "If he is backpedaling, he should just stop." >>

I'm guessing that Mr. Becyznski's clarification line is his recent comment when he said, "It makes my game better," which is probably a reaction to what many have stated in the past week.

upso's June 26 comment

Food trucks aren't going to put any restaurants out of businesses that weren't already heading in that direction anyways.

And frankly, if the restaurants concerned can't figure out ways to fight back (with new items or specials) then they can't handle competition in general.

Competition is competition. Businesses have to stay on their toes!

The clarification was that he did not say it at the meeting, but had said it previously to a reporter.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jul 02, 2014 at 06:41:37 pm     #  

madjack posted at 06:12:00 PM on Jul 02, 2014:

This whole food truck business didn't look all that attractive to me until I gave it some serious thought. I'm thinking:

Mad Jack's Mobile Martini Bar

Put together a full service bar and feature locally brewed beer on tap, and away we go. If business was good, I could expand with a pickup truck full of cocktail waitresses dressed for the season. In summer, we'll do the tiki bar theme with some of those tiki torches, artificial palm trees and girls in grass skirts. I could even rent somebody's parking lot for the weekly Friday night happy hour, complete with live tiki band, dancing girls and a few native looking guys in loin clothes juggling live torches.

Yep, Mad Jack's Martini Bar - where it's always five o'clock.

I think it's got a nice ring to it.

And I wouldn't even have to get into food. Let the local roach coaches take turns parking adjacent to me, and I'll bet their business picks up right away. Get two or three to show up, and we'll have a real party.

Whattayathink?

Although I am not an attorney and stuff, and you should consult your tax advisor and maybe even no kidding a priest; I think you are one charity and one H permit away from being legal. Rock on, Mr. Jack.

posted by justread on Jul 02, 2014 at 06:42:14 pm     #  

Nolan_Rosenkrans posted at 06:41:37 PM on Jul 02, 2014:
jr posted at 05:16:32 PM on Jul 02, 2014:

The Jul 2, 2014 Toledo Blade story states:

"Editor's Note: This article has been updated to clarify Mr. Becyznski‘‍s position regarding food trucks."

But I'm unsure what was clarified.

Again, from the June 30 Blade story :

Ed Becyznski, the owner of Blarney Irish Pub and Focaccia’‍s Deli in the HCR ManorCare building, said he supports having vendors on the street, but wants it limited to one day a week because of the economic impact they have on the eateries.

“I am not against them. I think it is good to have variety. But we have to make it work for everybody,” he said. “When you sit at the same spot every day, instead of moving around, you are affecting the same places.”

From the clarified July 2 story:

Ed Becyznski, the owner of Blarney Irish Pub and Focaccia’s Deli in the HCR ManorCare building, has said previously that he supports having vendors on the street, but wants food-truck service limited to one day a week because of the economic impact the trucks have on the eateries.

“I’m not worried about competition,” Mr. Becyznski said. “It makes my game better.”

I'm more "unclarified."

I expected the clarification to be that Mr. Becyznski never mentioned the one day a week idea, since that was never listed as a direct quote in the paper.

But apparently, Mr. Becyznski said that he is not worried about competition while at the same time wanting the food trucks limited to one day a week.
WTF

With a solid grasp of obfuscation, he's ready for an elected government position.

Above in this thread, I think that justread has posted some helpful clarification statements for Mr. Becyznski.

  • "Don't dig another hole next to the 'level the playing field' hole." >>
  • "If he is backpedaling, he should just stop." >>

I'm guessing that Mr. Becyznski's clarification line is his recent comment when he said, "It makes my game better," which is probably a reaction to what many have stated in the past week.

upso's June 26 comment

Food trucks aren't going to put any restaurants out of businesses that weren't already heading in that direction anyways.

And frankly, if the restaurants concerned can't figure out ways to fight back (with new items or specials) then they can't handle competition in general.

Competition is competition. Businesses have to stay on their toes!

The clarification was that he did not say it at the meeting, but had said it previously to a reporter.

I wouldn't have ever considered that this forum had anything to do with it, but not for this single post. Nah... coincidence.

posted by justread on Jul 02, 2014 at 06:46:26 pm     #  

And I guess it really didn't change. ?

posted by justread on Jul 02, 2014 at 06:53:19 pm     #  

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=744381508955249&set=a.550889741637761.1073741825.550765004983568&type=1&theater

Locally, these Food Trucks are embraced and appreciated. They come from MILES for these types of events.

And this isn't Toledo, folks, this is a small oceanside town of about 15,000.

I think someone up there is missing something...

posted by BrianInFlorida on Jul 03, 2014 at 06:15:53 am     #