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Andersons' new HQ

Odds on location?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Retail/2014/07/04/The-Andersons-goes-shopping-for-new-headquarters-location.html

created by MrGlass419 on Jul 06, 2014 at 12:05:11 pm     Comments: 23

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My money says they stay in this area. They are well rooted here, grew up and raised their families here and already donated their estate on Holland Sylvania to the Metroparks. They are just posturing for tax breaks, land deals etc. like Owens Corning and Jeep did.

posted by Mike21 on Jul 06, 2014 at 12:15:07 pm     #  

I don't think there is any logical person who would think Andersons is relocating out of the metro area. I would say 90% chance they stay in Maumee and either build a new office campus directly across the street or somewhere in the plot of land between Ford Street and 475, bordered by Dussel and 20A.

posted by JustaSooner on Jul 06, 2014 at 12:24:30 pm     #   1 person liked this

Maumee.

posted by Molsonator on Jul 06, 2014 at 12:46:54 pm     #  

Another side story that I think is equally as interesting is the fact they hired an out of town general contractor to build it for them. How's that for keeping your money local?

And unions aside. There are non union general contractors in Toledo that are qualified to build such a structure.

posted by slowsol on Jul 06, 2014 at 12:48:44 pm     #  

I have heard some murmurs of a near downtown location but at this point... I'm not holding my breath.

posted by upso on Jul 06, 2014 at 12:55:22 pm     #  

slowsol posted at 12:48:44 PM on Jul 06, 2014:

Another side story that I think is equally as interesting is the fact they hired an out of town general contractor to build it for them. How's that for keeping your money local?

And unions aside. There are non union general contractors in Toledo that are qualified to build such a structure.

Why is it interesting? Because it has the feeling of a "scandal" that can get people worked up? Unless you were part of the decision making and understand why any certain company was hired over another, it really serves no purpose to bring it up.

posted by JustaSooner on Jul 06, 2014 at 01:00:15 pm     #  

I'd love to see them move downtown, but the odds are they'll remain in Maumee. Too bad, because the Fiberglass tower has some of the best views around and would likely work well for their purposes.

posted by Brewster on Jul 06, 2014 at 01:17:06 pm     #  

Did they ever get all the asbestos out of the tower? Otherwise you talking about walking into a mess, regardless of views.

posted by MIJeff on Jul 06, 2014 at 01:18:48 pm     #  

JustaSooner posted at 01:00:15 PM on Jul 06, 2014:
slowsol posted at 12:48:44 PM on Jul 06, 2014:

Another side story that I think is equally as interesting is the fact they hired an out of town general contractor to build it for them. How's that for keeping your money local?

And unions aside. There are non union general contractors in Toledo that are qualified to build such a structure.

Why is it interesting? Because it has the feeling of a "scandal" that can get people worked up? Unless you were part of the decision making and understand why any certain company was hired over another, it really serves no purpose to bring it up.

It seems pretty relevant to the discussion, but if you'd like me to post only things like this in Blade threads just let me know.

posted by slowsol on Jul 06, 2014 at 01:19:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

Brewster posted at 01:17:06 PM on Jul 06, 2014:

I'd love to see them move downtown, but the odds are they'll remain in Maumee. Too bad, because the Fiberglass tower has some of the best views around and would likely work well for their purposes.

If the area is going to go into full recovery mode it can't cannibalize the rest of the metro area to the benefit of downtown. There has to be a clear movement to bring in businesses from outside the area to grow the tax base for the city.

posted by JustaSooner on Jul 06, 2014 at 01:32:24 pm     #   1 person liked this

I recently watched the WGTE documentary about The Andersons. It recounted how, when they built the elevator in Maumee (and later, the elevator along the Maumee), they did it with local, non-union employees. There were apparently pickets, but some kind of deal was negotiated.

posted by WordsRUs on Jul 06, 2014 at 01:57:30 pm     #  

IMHO There is no way will they go to downtown Toledo. The company has such deep roots in Maumee that I don't see them leaving.

Also I don't see them moving to a spot where parking will be such a pain for their employees. A more wide open space with their own lot is more their style.

posted by shamrock44 on Jul 06, 2014 at 03:41:36 pm     #  

I'll put my money on Ford Street or Longbow Drive (or the corner of Ford & Longbow) like the article mentioned. Beaver Creek Circle could be the longshot with a slightly longer shot being downtown. If it ends up being Perrysburg, I will consider them traitors and never shop in their store again. jk

posted by mixman on Jul 06, 2014 at 04:08:55 pm     #  

They will build a new campus in the community that offers the best tax breaks. Nothing wrong with that. That's the business-political game. All the big businesses play it.

Any large, vacant properties for sale in Toledo?

They could choose a location within a JEDZ, and Toledo could still get a piece of the action.

posted by jr on Jul 06, 2014 at 06:58:19 pm     #  

JR is 100% correct. Exam their growth and recent earnings and they can build wherever they choose. They have strong familial ties and loyalty to the entire community. Optimizing incentives is how well managed businesses exceed.

posted by Mariner on Jul 06, 2014 at 07:13:43 pm     #  

The largest undeveloped parcel in the city of Toledo is Kiel Farm, the 154 acre parcel at the corner of Hill and Reynolds...

posted by Mike21 on Jul 06, 2014 at 07:47:00 pm     #  

They are not leaving Maumee.

posted by Molsonator on Jul 06, 2014 at 07:51:35 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 07:51:35 PM on Jul 06, 2014:

They are not leaving Maumee.

Does Maumee have a large area of land available for The Anderson's to build a campus? What about the area around the Fallen mall? I think that's a JEDZ with Toledo.

I predict that The Anderson's HQ will remain outside Toledo, but they will choose a site where Toledo benefits some, tax-wise.

Does the Triad Business Park still have room?

... a joint economic development zone between Toledo, Maumee, and Monclova Township.

http://m.toledoblade.com/Retail/2014/02/04/Allermuir-expanding-in-Maumee-Commercial-furniture-maker-s-plans-could-create-over-70-jobs.html

The Anderson's have visited sites outside Maumee, correct?

posted by jr on Jul 06, 2014 at 09:05:36 pm     #  

Mike21 posted at 07:47:00 PM on Jul 06, 2014:

The largest undeveloped parcel in the city of Toledo is Kiel Farm, the 154 acre parcel at the corner of Hill and Reynolds...

I think that at least 90 acres of that belongs to the Metroparks.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/2008/01/17/Metroparks-will-buy-2nd-portion-of-Keil-farm.html

posted by jr on Jul 06, 2014 at 09:13:30 pm     #   1 person liked this

I think there is still land in the Triad park. There are two new businesses going in out there. One is the furniture company listed above, I'm not sure what the other is.

posted by slowsol on Jul 06, 2014 at 09:46:49 pm     #  

I think there is still land in the Triad park. There are two new businesses going in out there. One is the furniture company listed above, I'm not sure what the other is.

posted by slowsol on Jul 06, 2014 at 09:46:49 pm     #  

Agreed about downtown Toledo being a pipe dream. The Great Lakes Terminal Warehouse would be an awesome spot, since it's a huge location, more than ample parking around there, right next to the future metro park, in an area that is slated for a pretty big overhaul/redevelopment, and a stone's throw from their giant Maumee River loading complex. But in reality, I just don't see them going anywhere that doesn't benefit the city of Maumee somehow (ie, Maumee itself, or the JEDZ)

posted by Johio83 on Jul 06, 2014 at 10:15:43 pm     #  

mixman posted at 04:08:55 PM on Jul 06, 2014:

I'll put my money on Ford Street or Longbow Drive (or the corner of Ford & Longbow) like the article mentioned. Beaver Creek Circle could be the longshot with a slightly longer shot being downtown. If it ends up being Perrysburg, I will consider them traitors and never shop in their store again. jk

I think you are right. Ford and Longbow is probably the most logical choice for them. Plenty of room back in that area. Beaver Creek would be possible as well I suppose. Anything south of there is zoned Industrial I believe, but I don't Maumee would have an issue rezoning if needed.

I don't see them going into the JEDZ in Monclova though and definitely not downtown or Pburg.

posted by JustaSooner on Jul 07, 2014 at 02:52:50 am     #