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Southwyck purchase

Please tell me they already have a end user lined up. Gotta be The Anderson's, right?

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I have heard from 3 friends about this deal. Hardly inside information. But, two of them work at the distribution center and the other one works for a title company. All 3 have heard that Andersons is in fact the potential end user.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jul 21, 2014 at 10:44:53 am     #   1 person liked this

Everything I've read seems to stress that this purchase only goes through as long as the end user agrees to move forward. Not sure about the Andersons thing, since the location doesn't make much sense with so much land available in Maumee still. Though if they were going into Toledo it probably remains close enough for their employees to not have to extend their commute much. We'll have to see. Would much rather see a new outside company come in, instead of feeding off those already based in the area.

http://www.toledofreepress.com/2014/07/20/city-announces-plans-to-buy-southwyck-site/

posted by JustaSooner on Jul 21, 2014 at 12:38:46 pm     #  

At this point, any development is welcome. It's been sad to watch the death of this area. I would even welcome it as a green space. The vacant lot is an eyesore and it's own source of blight that is dragging the area down.

posted by OhioKimono on Jul 21, 2014 at 02:30:29 pm     #   2 people liked this

Ditto with Northtowne.

posted by MIJeff on Jul 21, 2014 at 03:07:30 pm     #   1 person liked this

As a former south toledo resident for a good chunk of my early years, I really wish that area the best. I know Collins is working really hard to turn the Southwyck area around and this is a pretty amazing step forward.

posted by upso on Jul 21, 2014 at 03:19:11 pm     #   3 people liked this

The buildings that sit on Southwyck Blvd are crap. Some are abandoned, others barely standing. There are two buildings that have grass and weeds 5 feet or higher. It has to be a priority for the City to deal with those properties as well or no one will buy into a project there.

posted by Molsonator on Jul 21, 2014 at 04:01:13 pm     #  

OhioKimono posted at 03:30:29 PM on Jul 21, 2014:

At this point, any development is welcome. It's been sad to watch the death of this area. I would even welcome it as a green space. The vacant lot is an eyesore and it's own source of blight that is dragging the area down.

It is definitely puzzling how tough development has been for that area. They really need to go through and just remove all of the old abandoned structures and replace it with green space at this point. Is anything in the old Holiday Inn that was across from the Ramada?

Andersons going to Southwyck would definitely be a big win for that area, but I wonder what else could really work there. I know the city here chased an outlet mall from Horizon Growth Prop and its done extremely well. The main reason for it was to draw in sales tax dollars from outside the area that it normally wouldn't get. I guess my question on that would be how are county sales taxes distributed there since down here they are done on a city level. The nearest outlet mall I could find for that area is the one in Indiana along I-69 but it is fairly small. I know the one in Monroe went bust many years ago, but some stores might still be functioning there.

Not saying it is a savor or the right move, but it might be an option to put in that area to help spur additional redevelopment. You'll get to clear a ton of the area out from old blighted buildings and put it in a location that is pretty good being right off the turnpike.

posted by JustaSooner on Jul 21, 2014 at 04:04:24 pm     #  

I would be really surprised in Anderson's leaves Maumee. Maybe they are floating rumors of a move to Southwyck to leverage a better deal out of Maumee with tax abatements, etc. What about the area south of Levi's Commons?

I do agree with the post about the buildings around Southwyck. For all of the talk about blight, not much seems to be being down about the buildings (for example on the corner of Southwyck and Cheyenne) where the grass is 3 feet high

posted by Dappling2 on Jul 21, 2014 at 04:42:32 pm     #  

ya know what would look cool there? a monument to the greatest mayor Toledo ever had...wait, that should go out by the airport.

posted by justareviewer on Jul 21, 2014 at 08:15:14 pm     #  

Wasn't that old Holiday Inn turned into a retirement community? I thought I remembered reading that somewhere. Ah yes, here's a link from nearly a year ago. No idea what's happened in the past year, however. When I go into Maumee via surface streets, I almost always come in via Heatherdowns to Cass.

posted by valbee on Jul 22, 2014 at 07:02:10 am     #  

Based upon the streets, services, city council, etc. I would be stunned if Anderson's moved to toledo. If anything, they will move to Perrysburg.

posted by Dappling2 on Jul 22, 2014 at 12:36:59 pm     #  

I will be shocked if Anderson's ends up in Toledo. Maumee (Inc Monclova twsp) or Perrysburg have to be the fav's.

posted by Hoops on Jul 22, 2014 at 12:59:23 pm     #  

Agreed. I am sure thAt Maumee will be offering quite a few tax incentives to keep them.

posted by Dappling2 on Jul 22, 2014 at 04:37:41 pm     #  

Doubt that Anderson's would feign interest in the Southwyck site as a bargaining manuever if they didn't have a real interest in moving there. Doesn't seem like their style.

posted by MariaL on Jul 22, 2014 at 07:40:58 pm     #  

My first real job was working at Southwyck Mall (1 year after it opened). Reynolds Road was hopping back then. Was there any better pizza or Italian buffet then Dominic's?

When I drive the length of Reynolds Road now, it makes me sad. At least they're getting rid of the Clarion eyesore.

posted by Unclesam on Jul 23, 2014 at 09:37:12 am     #  

Ahhhh, Dominic's. Best after wait shift restaurant ever. Bloody Mary anti pasta with all the trimmings.

posted by ahmahler on Jul 24, 2014 at 12:57:22 am     #  

Definitely NOT The Anderson's. It will take a lot to get SW redeveloped. There are so many vacant buildings all around the metro area that can be repurposed for the fraction of the cost of building new. The Anderson's are a Maumee company. I would be shocked if they moved out of Maumee while there is still an Anderson in the CEO role.

posted by LoveToledo on Aug 01, 2014 at 05:31:00 pm     #  

I agree 100%. I am sure that the mayor of Maumee and other powers to be in Maumee are sweetening the pot to keep Anderson's there.

posted by Dappling2 on Aug 01, 2014 at 07:54:27 pm     #  

Anyone notice the new, freshly painted Anderson's logo painted on the huge port authority's silos visible from the i-75 Maumee river bridge? They may be a Maumee company, but they are definitely a major presence in Toledo.

posted by upso on Aug 01, 2014 at 10:22:41 pm     #  

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/26852662/toledo-two-steps-closer-to-reviving-former-medcorp-and-southwyck-land

I thought 3 months ago there was strong interest in the parcels at Southwyck. This doesn't sound like it now.

“We talked to a number of end users. We talked to The Anderson's before. We have no commitment from any end user right now but once again I'm confident that once the city acquires it and eliminates that hurdle of the challenge of multiple owners, I believe we'll be in a much better position to redevelop the site,” said Sapara.

posted by Molsonator on Oct 22, 2014 at 08:50:22 am     #  

Ah, good. I see from another article about this that "council also voted 11–1 to create a new economic development arm for the city, which the Collins administration said was needed to finance the $9.4 million in land purchases." Clearly, with the Port Authority, Regional Growth Partnership, Lucas County Economic Development Corporation, Downtown Toledo Investment Corporation, Toledo Chamber of Commerce, and Toledo's Department of Development, all of whom state economic development in their mission statements, we obviously need to add/fund one more to really make an impact in the area.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 22, 2014 at 09:06:14 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 10:06:14 AM on Oct 22, 2014:

Ah, good. I see from another article about this that "council also voted 11–1 to create a new economic development arm for the city, which the Collins administration said was needed to finance the $9.4 million in land purchases." Clearly, with the Port Authority, Regional Growth Partnership, Lucas County Economic Development Corporation, Downtown Toledo Investment Corporation, Toledo Chamber of Commerce, and Toledo's Department of Development, all of whom state economic development in their mission statements, we obviously need to add/fund one more to really make an impact in the area.

All those people in charge yet nothing get done, too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

posted by MIJeff on Oct 22, 2014 at 09:57:06 am     #  

As a resident of the Southwyck neighborhood, I am coming to terms with the proposed site plan... light commercial along Reynolds, offices in the back. At least it's something. While I'd love to see replaced what once was, like a modern enclosed mall (a two-story regional affair complete with strong anchors and parking garages rivalling Franklin Park would be nice) or at least an open-air Fallen Timbers or Westgate style development (minus the mega boxes), the reality is enclosed malls are not being built anymore (only 1 in the US since 2006), investors seem skittish to take a chance on the site, and retail in the southwest metro has already migrated elsewhere. Here's to hoping something decent ends up there.

posted by mixman on Oct 22, 2014 at 10:43:22 am     #  

It would be great to see something that would bring people into that area from greater metro Toledo and outlying areas. I've seen people wish for a Trader Joes or Whole Foods and I think Ikea or World Market would be a welcome addition. I just don't know if Toledo is considered large enough to sustain one of those. I'd like to see the south end get a crack at some of the businesses that seem to continually cram into the area around Franklin Park.

posted by hippiechick on Oct 22, 2014 at 11:04:35 am     #  

Do we think the city of Toledo can handle another / second mall? Curious to see how much Franklin Park has influence on other developments...

posted by upso on Oct 22, 2014 at 11:20:32 am     #  

upso posted at 12:20:32 PM on Oct 22, 2014:

Do we think the city of Toledo can handle another / second mall? Curious to see how much Franklin Park has influence on other developments...

No. In fact, when looking at the landscape longer term, I don't see how the metro area can support the future building growth that both Levis Commons and Fallen Timbers want to have.

Economic growth will stimulate the service and retail industries, not the other way around. A new strip mall and building onto an outdoor mall with many open storefronts is not economic development.

posted by clt212 on Oct 22, 2014 at 11:29:48 am     #  

The area is not growing. Until it does, in hard number terms (i.e. population growth, income growth, etc.)...and with two very new malls just down the road (FT & LC), a massive new retail project is simply not going to happen.

You know, unless the brilliant economic leaders downtown decide to (1) give away the land and (2) give so many "tax credits" to a developer it's like we're paying to build the thing. Then all bets are off..

posted by oldhometown on Oct 22, 2014 at 12:47:35 pm     #  

I would imagine Southwyck is too far from the interstate to appeal to any major national retailer, be it Ikea, Trader Joes, or any of the others that get mentioned. The turnpike is a pass-through, not used for intracity purposes, so I don't think that would factor into any decisions.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 22, 2014 at 02:51:50 pm     #  

hippiechick posted at 12:04:35 PM on Oct 22, 2014:

It would be great to see something that would bring people into that area from greater metro Toledo and outlying areas. I've seen people wish for a Trader Joes or Whole Foods and I think Ikea or World Market would be a welcome addition. I just don't know if Toledo is considered large enough to sustain one of those. I'd like to see the south end get a crack at some of the businesses that seem to continually cram into the area around Franklin Park.

I'd be really surprised to see IKEA move to Toledo and take up some space in the old Southwyck Mall. IKEA is not in Columbus and there is much, much more money, as well as a much greater population base in Central Ohio than there is in Toledo and NW Ohio. It would make more economic sense for IKEA to go to Columbus than build a store here.

posted by toledojim on Oct 22, 2014 at 07:35:22 pm     #  

Its like the movie Ground Hog Day....

posted by Molsonator on Oct 22, 2014 at 07:40:43 pm     #   3 people liked this

Johio83 posted at 03:51:50 PM on Oct 22, 2014:

I would imagine Southwyck is too far from the interstate to appeal to any major national retailer, be it Ikea, Trader Joes, or any of the others that get mentioned. The turnpike is a pass-through, not used for intracity purposes, so I don't think that would factor into any decisions.

Speaking of major national retailers and the pass-through turnpike, imagine Bass Pro's complete surprise when they found out that they had accidentally located near I-80/I-90.

posted by justread on Oct 22, 2014 at 08:01:39 pm     #   2 people liked this

justread posted at 09:01:39 PM on Oct 22, 2014:
Johio83 posted at 03:51:50 PM on Oct 22, 2014:

I would imagine Southwyck is too far from the interstate to appeal to any major national retailer, be it Ikea, Trader Joes, or any of the others that get mentioned. The turnpike is a pass-through, not used for intracity purposes, so I don't think that would factor into any decisions.

Speaking of major national retailers and the pass-through turnpike, imagine Bass Pro's complete surprise when they found out that they had accidentally located near I-80/I-90.

You can clearly see Bass Pro from 75

posted by slowsol on Oct 23, 2014 at 06:04:55 am     #  

Indeed you can. Like you can see Cabela's from US23. But damned if there isn't the crossing of another highway nearby.
(Played by M-50.)

But, like other destination stores (Cabela's, Ikea, et al) they pull people into town rather than cause last second merges to the exit when locals OR travelers suddenly realize that it exists. We aren't talking about Stuckey's or a truck stop.
Now, I am not saying that a traveler has never pulled over at the sight of the sign of a destination store.

The point here is that the turnpike is not an insignificant feature in the grand scheme of trying to put a destination store at or near Southwyck. And the turnpike is pretty dam close to Southwyck. With exits directly on and off route 20.

The question is whether 20 itself, with traffic coming from US-23 and I-475 via US24 is enough to play the supporting role of a cross-route that is often found around destination stores.

As far as local draw goes, it should be remembered that 43614 is the most affluent zip code within the Toledo city limits.

I'm not really for or against re-development of the Southwyck area. Whatever makes sense for a PRIVATE INVESTOR is fine with me. I'm just throwing these thoughts into the mix.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 06:34:16 am     #   2 people liked this

"The question is whether 20 itself, with traffic coming from US-23 and I-475 via US24 is enough to play the supporting role of a cross-route that is often found around destination stores. "

I don't think it is.

There is something about this area that detracts from destination stores. There is no true crossroad between 23 and 80/90 and the Toledo side is a little too shady. The type of clientele the small businesses in the area attract becomes a factor.

In both Cabela's and Bass Pro - the amount of land available allowed them to control the surrounding area. There are outdoor displays and inventory that would never be safe in a Southwyck environment. There is also clear signage from the hwy.

I think the area is better suited for B2B.

posted by Molsonator on Oct 23, 2014 at 07:15:13 am     #  

I would say the link between 475/23 and 80/90 is Dussel Dr. This has created the traffic that current businesses are seeking.

And 80/90 has become the barrier between Maumee and Toledo in that stretch. You can see that Kroger and Holiday Inn have determined it is that area that is desirable for business today vs. their prior locations north of 80/90 in Toledo.

B2B at Southwyck? Maybe, but not much else I would predict.

posted by ThePolishFalcon on Oct 23, 2014 at 07:42:17 am     #  

Molsonator posted at 08:15:13 AM on Oct 23, 2014:

"The question is whether 20 itself, with traffic coming from US-23 and I-475 via US24 is enough to play the supporting role of a cross-route that is often found around destination stores. "

I don't think it is.

There is something about this area that detracts from destination stores. There is no true crossroad between 23 and 80/90 and the Toledo side is a little too shady. The type of clientele the small businesses in the area attract becomes a factor.

In both Cabela's and Bass Pro - the amount of land available allowed them to control the surrounding area. There are outdoor displays and inventory that would never be safe in a Southwyck environment. There is also clear signage from the hwy.

I think the area is better suited for B2B.

I tend to agree on the issue of what 20 can support.

I disagree that the area is particularly "shady." I'd call it more neutral. Could go either way. I think that the right mix could stabilize it quite a bit. Lack of attention and planning could allow it to slip the other way for good.
I think that the proximity to people with household incomes in excess of $100,000 (not that 100 grand is what it used to be...) is a factor in any possible re-birth.

Cabelas in Dundee has been the location of many drug and atf busts. It is not a fairy wonderland free of crime because it's a newer development that is near the highway and "controls" its area. Just 10 days ago a guy was busted selling drugs in the parking lot. Recently, shots were fired at the Bass Pro building. After all, a crossroads is a crossroads for good AND bad people.

If I were a criminal, I'd appreciate the controlled access and view of the highway. Limits the approach options for law enforcement. In the Southwyck area, law enforcement could come from anywhere.

(Just thoughts, not arguments.)

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 08:41:59 am     #  

I've never seen an IKEA that wasn't located directly off of a major interstate (not toll road) with massive visibility. Typically, outside city limits, rural areas. Think of the deal Costco is working on in Perrsyburg, they would want that sort of leverage and flexibility, or as Molsonator mentions, the BPS spot, they aren't going to just look at a vacant commercial space and gobble it up because Toledo needs to develop it. The IKEA in Cinci is between Cinci and Dayton. The IKEA in Detroit is between Detroit and A2. In other words, those major cities weren't even big enough, they wanted a wider radius of population to draw from since it's a destination. Demographically speaking, we already have an IKEA, it's off of 275 in Michigan.

It's a little hazardous to look at a vacant space and dream of all of the Big Boxes we're missing. It's sort of like the grocery store downtown. Looking for that dream fix is unrealistic, and even if an IKEA or whole foods were to open, is it the best spot for them in Toledo? If not, would you want one of these places try to open, fail and then categorize Toledo further as a market that can't support this "level" of retailer? Vacancies and brown spaces are bad. Southwyck has plenty of spots that will need to be addressed. If we can't start making practical sense of those visible spaces, that area could be in some serious trouble. Something decidedly un-sexy will eventually go there and it will bring much needed stabilization to that area.

Something we should remember is the impact that a property owner from outside of this area can have on a major high profile parcel. When you drive by a physical property every day, you may make different choices than if you look at it as a line on a spreadsheet. That's what sunk Southwyck and Westgate in the first place.

posted by ahmahler on Oct 23, 2014 at 08:45:58 am     #  

Justread - all good points. I sat on a Lucas County Grand Jury several years ago and one officer told us the busiest parking lot for drug deals was the Krogers on Monroe in Sylvania. Easy access to the hwy. Criminals are businessmen too. Ha!

I think there is too much work to be done in that area (Southwyck) to make it attractive to a major retailer. I hope I am wrong though.

posted by Molsonator on Oct 23, 2014 at 09:00:12 am     #  

ahmahler posted at 09:45:58 AM on Oct 23, 2014:

I've never seen an IKEA that wasn't located directly off of a major interstate (not toll road) with massive visibility. Typically, outside city limits, rural areas. Think of the deal Costco is working on in Perrsyburg, they would want that sort of leverage and flexibility, or as Molsonator mentions, the BPS spot, they aren't going to just look at a vacant commercial space and gobble it up because Toledo needs to develop it. The IKEA in Cinci is between Cinci and Dayton. The IKEA in Detroit is between Detroit and A2. In other words, those major cities weren't even big enough, they wanted a wider radius of population to draw from since it's a destination. Demographically speaking, we already have an IKEA, it's off of 275 in Michigan.

It's a little hazardous to look at a vacant space and dream of all of the Big Boxes we're missing. It's sort of like the grocery store downtown. Looking for that dream fix is unrealistic, and even if an IKEA or whole foods were to open, is it the best spot for them in Toledo? If not, would you want one of these places try to open, fail and then categorize Toledo further as a market that can't support this "level" of retailer? Vacancies and brown spaces are bad. Southwyck has plenty of spots that will need to be addressed. If we can't start making practical sense of those visible spaces, that area could be in some serious trouble. Something decidedly un-sexy will eventually go there and it will bring much needed stabilization to that area.

Something we should remember is the impact that a property owner from outside of this area can have on a major high profile parcel. When you drive by a physical property every day, you may make different choices than if you look at it as a line on a spreadsheet. That's what sunk Southwyck and Westgate in the first place.

Yeah. I don't think it is an "IKEA-worthy" parcel.

Nor is the proximity to 80/90 on the same par as the parcel that either Cabela's or Bass Pro are on.

But IS worthy of something just under that tier, so to speak. It is far more valuable in terms of transportation access than a bunch of small retails and glorified flea-market action.

Soon enough, chances are high that ProMedica will overbuild more unneeded health care infrastructure there right? So, we'll have that.
What we need is for Mercy to buy a speculative piece of ground there. Then it's ON.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 09:57:24 am     #  

Its like the movie Ground Hog Day....

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posted by OneMoreBourbon on Oct 23, 2014 at 10:47:03 am     #   2 people liked this

I agree with justread regarding the "IKEA-worthy" comment as ahmaler stated the case very well. And I extend that thought to any major retail entry into that parcel/area.

I also think the crime issue is not a large obstacle as increased focus could shift it away to another area. I don't think the 43614 money is a large factor as today's retailers are looking at a much larger pie to draw from.

Southwyck in its day started to be the extension of the high end south end area (upgrading from Beverly Hills to Ragan Woods). What changed is the shift from property ownership to rental properties. The continued push west after 475/23 was built in the 60s accelerated that pace toward Swanton, Waterville, Whitehouse, etc....leading to Fallen Timbers today. I don't see any shift back in the cards.

The traffic, as I mentioned earlier, is keeping on the Maumee side of 80/90 and the perception may be that Maumee police can keep a better tab on things than TPD.

posted by ThePolishFalcon on Oct 23, 2014 at 10:55:52 am     #  

IKEA in NW Ohio is a non-issue. Unless they start building Bed, Bath & Beyond sized stores, it won't happen.

Traffic, car counts, and proximity to highways are all factors. Consider that Franklin Park has anchors and big boxes nearby and it's not in view of an interstate. FP benefits from an ideal position between busy streets, population center, and lack of nearby competition. It's an example that retail developments can be successful from city traffic and proximity to shoppers.

If the Southwyck property was majority retail, I think it would be well served by a mix of big and little stores, maybe something like Westgate with one or two anchors to draw people, and then smaller specialty stores and eateries. If a huge (IKEA or Costco size) store went in there, it would eat up too much real estate. There aren't that many parcels in total along S Reynolds. How about some variety?

Mixed use could also be a viable option. Something like Levis Commons with shops and dining on the ground level, offices upstairs with a residential component. The Village at Southwyck plan from around 2008 looked fine to me.

posted by mixman on Oct 23, 2014 at 11:56:06 am     #  

If another retail center goes into Southwyck... RETAIL IS NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT!!!

When the city owns the land, they surely can offer discounted sales prices for a logistical company or a distribution center. There is plenty of land for that, Reynolds can support trucks, and it's just off the turnpike and a short drive (via Airport Hwy) to 475/23.

If the City of Toledo leaders really want more retail, then they should have all the developers looking for handouts assist in transforming the thousands of shitty and/or vacant strip malls in the city.

posted by clt212 on Oct 23, 2014 at 12:08:43 pm     #  

One day, when every single person in the city either works in health care or is retired, we'll need retail for shopping and malls for mallwalking.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 12:41:09 pm     #  

I've never seen an IKEA that wasn't located directly off of a major interstate (not toll road) with massive visibility.

The IKEA in Detroit is between Detroit and A2.

Just have to disagree on Ikea's interstate locations. Ikea in canton is on 275, not an interstate. I remember the first time I went up there I was trying to figure out where the heck it was because you couldn't see it from the expressway. It may be between Detroit and Ann Arbor, but I am surprised they didn't put it closer to two major crossroads, not just off of one. JMO.

Not saying that Southwyck would work for Ikea, just that I don't see the prime location in Canton.

posted by MrsArcher on Oct 23, 2014 at 01:01:36 pm     #  

Demographically speaking, we already have an IKEA, it's off of 275 in Michigan.

Yep.

IKEA does not move into geographic areas with less than 7 figure populations. Detroit + Toledo = 7 figures and we have a store.

Take a look at a map of their locations and give up this fantasy that Southwyck will turn into an IKEA location.

posted by oldhometown on Oct 23, 2014 at 01:03:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

Perhaps it is important to point out that IKEA has been used as a representation of a destination type store.
I, and I don't think anyone else was suggesting that IKEA actually would build a store there. It was more of an analogous use.

I can't speak for the Trader Joe Cult.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 01:16:36 pm     #  

MrsArcher posted at 02:01:36 PM on Oct 23, 2014:

I've never seen an IKEA that wasn't located directly off of a major interstate (not toll road) with massive visibility.

The IKEA in Detroit is between Detroit and A2.

Just have to disagree on Ikea's interstate locations. Ikea in canton is on 275, not an interstate. I remember the first time I went up there I was trying to figure out where the heck it was because you couldn't see it from the expressway. It may be between Detroit and Ann Arbor, but I am surprised they didn't put it closer to two major crossroads, not just off of one. JMO.

Not saying that Southwyck would work for Ikea, just that I don't see the prime location in Canton.

It's prime in Canton because 275 runs between the two areas Ikea targeted - Ann Arbor and Detroit.

I mean, can you get more centered? MAAAYBE they could have gone for the 94/275 intersection by the airport or the 96/275 intersection but otherwise? Pretty much perfect. 275 has a LOT of north-south traffic, too. Up a few more miles on the map from that pic is Farmington Hills, and a touch to the east is Southfield.

posted by endcycle on Oct 23, 2014 at 01:29:41 pm     #  

I assume that no movement is occurring with the horse farm idea for Southwyck.

September 2009 WTOL story, :

The mayor says he's trying to bring new life to a quickly dying south Toledo. His actions were quickly criticized over flowers and lights along Reynolds Rd., but he had quite a reaction.

"I'm going to step in here. The question is insulting. No, no, it's insulting. Nobody is going to move into a neighborhood because of a flower, but people will move out of a neighborhood because of the absence of infrastructure, beauty, cleanliness, and public safety, and they'll move out in droves and they already have done that," Finkbeiner responded to a reporter from WSPD.

Mayor Finkbeiner said a Kroger and a horse farm are among those interested in the former Southwyck Mall location. He said they've even attracted an eye doctor at the old Bootleggers.

"Would they do if that flower bed wasn't there, and those walls weren't there? I don't know. But the very fact that we're showing attentiveness to the infrastructure and to the street is very important," Finkbeiner said in a response that lasted over six minutes.

City leaders say they're not going to let the Glass City lose out to the suburbs any longer. Finkbeiner said, "They want that. They don't want to see gray and dust and dark and gloom and beaten up infrastructure. They want to see good infrastructure."

posted by jr on Oct 23, 2014 at 01:31:49 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 02:03:48 PM on Oct 23, 2014:

Demographically speaking, we already have an IKEA, it's off of 275 in Michigan.

Yep.

IKEA does not move into geographic areas with less than 7 figure populations. Detroit + Toledo = 7 figures and we have a store.

Take a look at a map of their locations and give up this fantasy that Southwyck will turn into an IKEA location.

Probably more like Detroit suburbs period. I doubt there are many Detroit city dwellers making the trek out to IKEA but, who knows?

Don't discount the extremely heavily traveled and retail fortified Ford Rd. where IKEA is located. My SIL lives very near the area so we're up there a lot. I always joke "if you can't find it on Ford Rd., you don't need it."

posted by Foodie on Oct 23, 2014 at 01:44:00 pm     #  

Ikea in canton is on 275, not an interstate
For clarification:I-275-the "I" stands for Interstate. 3 digit "I" numbers typically circle or connect pieces within cities. The Intestate doesn't refer to actually connecting the states but the time of and standard of highway expansion that represents the most modern and heavily traveled highways. That red top, blue bottom sign that ends typically end sin 5 or 0 is an Intestate sign.

posted by ahmahler on Oct 23, 2014 at 03:55:52 pm     #  

It's prime in Canton because 275 runs between the two areas Ikea targeted - Ann Arbor and Detroit.

Okay, if by 'between' you mean located an equal distance from and dividing said territory; 94 runs between, 96/14 runs between. 275 doesn't IMO.

Now, 275 does run between Toledo and Canton; but for those of us on the western part of Toledo, its a pain in the @$$ to get to.

Sorry, I just don't see their location in Canton on 275 as that oh-my-gosh perfect to get to. Is it busy? Yes. But would I go more often if it was easier to get to? Hell yes.

JMO.

posted by MrsArcher on Oct 23, 2014 at 04:08:05 pm     #  

ahmahler posted at 04:55:52 PM on Oct 23, 2014:
Ikea in canton is on 275, not an interstate
For clarification:I-275-the "I" stands for Interstate. 3 digit "I" numbers typically circle or connect pieces within cities. The Intestate doesn't refer to actually connecting the states but the time of and standard of highway expansion that represents the most modern and heavily traveled highways. That red top, blue bottom sign that ends typically end sin 5 or 0 is an Intestate sign.

The also have Interstates in Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico. There are also several Interstates that dont leave a state such as I-4.

posted by MIJeff on Oct 23, 2014 at 06:10:58 pm     #  

just curious, if you were an investor, would you invest there, and what would you place there? I'd do a waffle hut but somebody beat me too it.
That's not economic development but hey, jobs is jobs. Taxpayers is taxpayers. Income and property. Is there a car wash? Yeah, dam. I don't think light industrial, heavy commercial or additional logistics or shipping really would help. We'd sell out the nearby stabilizing homeowners and the rental conversion rate would skyrocket. Or something. And...were back to retail and other office restaurant type stuff. People.... Some heavy horsepower people live really close to that site. Play on Google maps. You'll find some serious estates around there. They're hidden more or less. Fuck it. I'm having lunch with Sapara.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 06:11:10 pm     #  

Mexican restaurant.

posted by MIJeff on Oct 23, 2014 at 06:11:49 pm     #  

Pardon my effbomb. Long day. My regards to the ladies and children.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 06:12:18 pm     #  

I'm letting him pick. Instinct.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 06:12:45 pm     #  

Don't discount the extremely heavily traveled and retail fortified Ford Rd. where IKEA is located. My SIL lives very near the area so we're up there a lot. I always joke "if you can't find it on Ford Rd., you don't need it."

But they don't have a Container Store and I need one of those! ;) This thread has me thinking, with the grand opening of HomeGoods and Marshall's yesterday, what retail I'd still like to see here (aside from Trader Joe's, of course). The Container Store is one place. The closest one is in Columbus. There are none in Michigan.

I'm happy enough to finally have HomeGoods, though. For now... :)

posted by valbee on Oct 24, 2014 at 06:48:33 am     #