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ProMedica Parkway

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I was on the expressway and passed the ProMedica Parkway exit. It made me wonder how a company gets a street named after it. I guess if it were named "Toledo Hospital Parkway" it would make sense in terms of people knowing a hospital is located on the street and at that exist, but "ProMedica Parkway" doesn't tell that story.

Did ProMedica have to pay money for this? Did City Council have to approve this? Just curious.

created by Unclesam on Jul 23, 2014 at 10:18:16 am     Comments: 25

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Developers name streets with the city's approval. ProMedica developed the area around Toledo Hospital, and I'm sure they requested ProMedica Parkway as the name of the street bisecting their campus. They are responsible for the road, so I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to name it. Call it a marketing ploy if you will.

If you check the map, the new 475 ramp is really an extension of the preexisting ProMedica Parkway. So why not have the same name for the entire length of the road? After all you are literally exiting onto ProMedica Parkway.

posted by tolbuck on Jul 23, 2014 at 11:45:40 am     #  

Not sure its true but I heard they paid something like $5 million dollars toward the project for the rights to name it. Again this is simply a rumor but that is what I was told. I like the name - has a good ring to it.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jul 23, 2014 at 12:02:22 pm     #  

You'll love the new ProMedica Park where Promenade is now.

posted by justread on Jul 23, 2014 at 12:58:31 pm     #   2 people liked this

whatever brings private investment....Promenade was just sitting there....unused and stagnant. Whatever Promedica puts into it will be appreciated.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jul 23, 2014 at 02:59:41 pm     #   3 people liked this

Like a parking structure with green lights.

posted by justread on Jul 23, 2014 at 03:00:47 pm     #   2 people liked this

I'm with Bulldog - City has had decades to do something. Instead they just bleed the tax payer money. Promedica keeps up there properties as good as any company and MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the city.

Talking about city - who do they hire to plant grass after doing new roads because they should be fired. Its not even grass seed its weed seed.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jul 23, 2014 at 03:22:13 pm     #   1 person liked this

Apparently, they hire the same people to plant grass after demolishing a house. Nasty, nasty weed seeds on top of supposed "topsoil" that is a sickly baby poop color.

posted by gamegrrl on Jul 23, 2014 at 03:51:51 pm     #  

"Fill Tird."

They seed it with a proprietary blend of Crabgrass and Blightweed. The birds bring the mulberries.

posted by justread on Jul 23, 2014 at 06:16:50 pm     #  

At the rate they're going, they might change the name of the city to Promedica Ohio. It seems like they own half the town. :)

posted by JeepMaker on Jul 24, 2014 at 09:44:05 am     #  

So, ODOT closed one of the Promedica Pkwy on ramps to I-475 blaming it on drivers who can't figure out how to merge. I have to agree with the reason - if indeed true. Toledoans do not seem to comprehend the traffic terms of "merge" and "yield".

That said, ODOT then creates one of the worst nightmare merge debacles I've ever seen - I-475 EB to I-75 NB. It is downright suicidal to take that route. 475 traffic is dumped into the reduced lanes of NB 75 with the NB 75 traffic (non stop trucks make up a large part of the traffic there) still zipping along two abreast at full speed. I avoid it at all costs.

posted by Foodie on May 19, 2015 at 08:47:28 am     #   2 people liked this

Foodie, I couldn't agree more. From what I've read, the Promedica Pkwy closing is permanent, but I'm wondering if this is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, since most of the problem seems attributable to I-475 EB going down to one lane, which backs everything WAY up.

I usually take Monroe St. to work downtown, but the few times I don't have to drop kids off first, I take the e-way, and end up kicking myself for getting into all that mess.

And if you've ever tried to kick yourself while driving, let me tell ya, it ain't easy.

posted by Anniecski on May 19, 2015 at 10:23:51 am     #  

ODOT messed this up BIG TIME.

1) Why make a double lane bridge going northbound on 475 a single lane merger? That lane backs up 1/2-1 mile every day from 4 p.m to 6 p.m. That new bridge should have been double lane like many cities to handle the capacity.

2) ODOT then puts up cones and makes southbound 475 a 1 lane merger, when clearly its designed for 2. So basically you have 4 lanes of traffic merging down to 2 lanes, 1 going north and 1 going south. Just dumb.

3) As someone who enters on Promedica Pkwy and is trying to head north toward the point at rush hour it is nearly impossible to get over.

Basically you have 1/2 mile to cross 3 lanes of traffic, but the main problem is the north bound lane is already backed up PAST the promedica pkwy entrance. So to get over into the north bound lane you have to cross 2 lanes of traffic and come to almost a complete stop and "hope" that there is space available to merge into the northbound lane that is already backed up. Oh yeah - and you have to complete the 3 lane merger in less than a half mile with cars going 55-60 mph.

Terrible design. Both North and South should have been double lane exits. The space was easily available.

posted by Xbuckeyex on May 19, 2015 at 10:35:06 am     #   1 person liked this

"Terrible design. Both North and South should have been double lane exits. The space was easily available."

I believe that was the original plan when 475 was widened/upgraded - allegedly with $$ from the "stimulus" run on the Treasury. Remember the "American Recovery/Reinvestment Act" signs they put up when the project first began?

The current work on 75 was also supposed to have been part of that project. The current 75 project is needed in order to accommodate the two lane ramps between the two x-ways.

Anyway, the whole shebang ran out of $$ - which is curious since Washington just prints it as needed - and that is why the two lane ramps are only being used as single lane ramps.

If you find yourself having to go through this choke point - please do be careful. It is a very dangerous configuration.

posted by Foodie on May 19, 2015 at 11:31:22 am     #  

That new bridge will eventually be multi-lane, but it has to remain a single lane per federal law until the new exit ramps are finished on northbound 75. It's the same reason that the new clover is being done at Central off of 23/475. Only single lane mergers can be within a certain distance of an exit. If you want multiple lanes at the merger, the law requires that there not be an exit within a prescribed distance.

So, long story short, the new 475 to northbound 75 bridge will be two lanes, once all the other work is done.

posted by Johio83 on May 19, 2015 at 01:08:08 pm     #  

once all the other work is done

You mean, it will be DONE??!?!? Someday??

please...?

posted by Anniecski on May 19, 2015 at 02:44:32 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 01:08:08 PM on May 19, 2015:

That new bridge will eventually be multi-lane, but it has to remain a single lane per federal law until the new exit ramps are finished on northbound 75. It's the same reason that the new clover is being done at Central off of 23/475. Only single lane mergers can be within a certain distance of an exit. If you want multiple lanes at the merger, the law requires that there not be an exit within a prescribed distance.

So, long story short, the new 475 to northbound 75 bridge will be two lanes, once all the other work is done.

Thanks for the insight. Too bad it takes a decade to complete these projects.

Its a wonder that this country was able to build the interstates to begin with. Nowadays it takes 4 years to do a 2 mile stretch.

posted by Xbuckeyex on May 19, 2015 at 03:08:05 pm     #  

And not just the length of time each project takes, but the number of projects they feel it necessary to take on at the same time.

posted by Johio83 on May 19, 2015 at 03:16:38 pm     #   1 person liked this

..Only single lane mergers can be within a certain distance of an exit. If you want multiple lanes at the merger, the law requires that there not be an exit within a prescribed distance...
! posted by Johio83 on May 19, 2015 at 01:08:08 pm
Does that apply to ANY exit, whether before or after the multiple lanes merge? They have permanently shut down the left-side exit from the merger ramp to Jeep Parkway. Or does that have more to do with the Port Authority's absolutely asinine plans for the Jeep Overland site, where they decided to put a pretty little park by the highway?

posted by Bandito on May 19, 2015 at 07:25:47 pm     #  

The Overland park area is its own topic from which I feel I should withhold my rant at this time. I've opened up on it before in other threads, but I tend to get long-winded about such things.

As for the lanes, it's a matter of oncoming traffic requiring enough time to be able to get over. A single lane merging on can reasonably be expected to get all the way over to an exit in a pretty short period of time, but once you start letting a few lanes of traffic on at once, then it can get pretty dicey. I mean, just imagine if there were three lanes getting onto 23S from 475W, and somebody in the far left lane wanted to get off at Central. They'd have to fly across some pretty serious traffic in like 15 seconds to make that happen.

posted by Johio83 on May 19, 2015 at 11:05:34 pm     #  

from both the safety and economic usefulness perspective, a full four-way interchange at Douglas would have made more sense ... probably from a cost to construct point of view as well.

based on the entry-only ramp that was at this location previously it was evident this new ramp with it heavier traffic would be a hazard for drivers getting to NB 75. what are the odds anyone will be held responsible for poor decision making?

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on May 20, 2015 at 01:26:20 pm     #  

EES - Toledo has always been the poster child for poster highway design...only major city in the state with an outer loop that only has 2 lanes...will never have 3 lanes from Monroe Street to US23. This area has just sucked in that department...

posted by avinsurer on May 20, 2015 at 03:23:25 pm     #  

Will the Promedica entrance to EB 475 open again once the other construction at the 474/75 intersection is complete?

posted by shamrock44 on May 20, 2015 at 05:18:42 pm     #  

Yes.

posted by Mike21 on May 20, 2015 at 06:05:00 pm     #  

yes, but i believe they intend to restrict it to 75 south.... no north 75...

avinsurer.... i only noticed in the last couple years that the streets/bridges over westbound 475 could only accommodate two lanes each way!! sooo short-sighted.

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on May 20, 2015 at 07:55:10 pm     #  

enjoyeverysandwich posted at 07:55:10 PM on May 20, 2015:

yes, but i believe they intend to restrict it to 75 south.... no north 75...

avinsurer.... i only noticed in the last couple years that the streets/bridges over westbound 475 could only accommodate two lanes each way!! sooo short-sighted.

So was the original decision to make the ramps from one x-way to another single lanes. Whenever I mention this to natives of the area, I always get the response "well, you have to understand that was XX years ago." Yes, I understand that but did no one have the foresight to think traffic volumes may increase some day? Apparently not.

posted by Foodie on May 21, 2015 at 09:06:06 am     #