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After three weeks of almost complete drought in my neighborhood (with the exception of one 15-minute steady 0.25" or so shower about 10 days ago) I have measured almost 3" of rain in the past four hours.

If this were winter, that would be somewhere between 12 and 30 inches of snow, depending on the type of snow. The Mayor would have to invent a higher level of snow emergency. :-)

created by historymike on Aug 11, 2014 at 12:32:10 pm     Outdoors     Comments: 32

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The NWS real-time precipitation map suggests that some areas near the Maumee may have received in excess of five inches of rain so far:

Precipitation 8-11

posted by historymike on Aug 11, 2014 at 12:41:52 pm     #  

I just heard the distinct sound of a transformer blowing nearby along with the requisite power flickering; looks like lots of smaller outages in this storm in the area:

Outages 8-11

posted by historymike on Aug 11, 2014 at 12:52:57 pm     #  

I'm in Monclova and by looking at the pool, we are aomewhere between 4" and 5"

posted by wahhutch9 on Aug 11, 2014 at 12:55:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

And... another transformer just blew, meaning another 5-10 more people just lost power in my neighborhood. Interestingly, First Energy's outage map seems to be close to real-time, as they had the affected area listed within a minute or so (both near Rambo/Laskey).

posted by historymike on Aug 11, 2014 at 12:57:49 pm     #  

wahhutch9 posted at 12:55:31 PM on Aug 11, 2014:

I'm in Monclova and by looking at the pool, we are aomewhere between 4" and 5"

I thought my measurement might have been off until I looked at the precipitation maps, wahhutch9.

There will be some serious flooding of basements on my street.

posted by historymike on Aug 11, 2014 at 12:59:54 pm     #  

My workplace in Perrysburg has a flooded basement. At least they bring teams in right away to resolve the situation.

posted by gamegrrl on Aug 11, 2014 at 01:20:22 pm     #  

Had the local news on before work (13ABC) and Billy Spencer kept saying some rain would be moving shortly, nothing severe. Perhaps an inch, maybe more in isolated spot. Toledo must be one big isolated spot !

posted by Hoops on Aug 11, 2014 at 01:47:56 pm     #  

I left the bucket outside after washing the car yesterday. 5 inches in it (Maumee).

posted by Molsonator on Aug 11, 2014 at 02:44:48 pm     #  

Sirens sounding at 4:34 p.m. The one, long continuous tone. Unsure what it's for.

posted by jr on Aug 11, 2014 at 04:35:14 pm     #   1 person liked this

Anyone know why emergency sirens are going off? I am in West Toledo, and at 4:43 pm or so they started going off.

posted by historymike on Aug 11, 2014 at 04:35:45 pm     #  

It was a two-minute siren blast: 4:34 to 4:36 p.m.

It's not weather related that I can tell.

We were under a flood warning this morning. A flood advisory was issued at 2:55 p.m., but sirens are not sounded for those things, typically.

Is it algae-related?

posted by jr on Aug 11, 2014 at 04:40:23 pm     #   2 people liked this

Here is the storm that set off the sirens; it started out near Hull Prairie and rapidly formed into a fairly impressive cell:

Storm 8-11

posted by historymike on Aug 11, 2014 at 04:53:50 pm     #  

We were at about 3.5" of rain for the day in West Toledo before this latest cell rolled in. From the looks of it I think this should be good to add another inch of rain or so to the daily total. The Waterville area must be somewhere around 6-7" for the day.

posted by historymike on Aug 11, 2014 at 05:04:59 pm     #  

Not sure but last I knew the only reason for a continuous blast of fire sirens was for a tornado warning.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 11, 2014 at 06:25:42 pm     #  

We had 1.30 inches in south Toledo.

posted by deere1 on Aug 11, 2014 at 11:25:23 pm     #  

Just under 4.5 inches over in the Southwest Toledo.

posted by SensorG on Aug 11, 2014 at 11:32:46 pm     #  

My rain gauge in West Toledo measured 3.87 inches of rain for Mon, Aug 11, 2014.

Here's one storm report from the Perrysburg area at mid-morning on Monday.

1035 AM HEAVY RAIN PERRYSBURG 08/11/2014

5.95 INCHES OF RAIN MEASURED IN TWO AND HALF HOURS JUST SOUTH OF I-475.

Aug 11, 2014 - Toledo Blade - Lucas, Wood counties begin mopping up from heavy rain

Blade photos

Sounds rough in the Detroit area, which received around five inches of rainfall.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140811/NEWS05/308110181/Freeway-flooding-heavy-rain

"Cars are stuck in the flood waters on the Lodge freeway near the Oakmand Blvd. overpass."

"The roofs of submerged vehicles along northbound I-75 near Woodward Heights Blvd. are all that remain afloat on Monday August 11, 2014 after heavy rains flooded multiple expressways in metro Detroit."

posted by jr on Aug 11, 2014 at 11:55:30 pm     #  

I believe this is the same area my parents were almost stranded in 15-20 years ago. It had been raining heavily and my mom was driving their minivan when almost instantly the highway flooded and their van shut off. My dad questioned my mom as to how the van could be moving if the car had no power. She responded "we're floating!" Thankfully someone in one of the cars around them got their car to start and told my mom to put her foot on the gas and don't stop for at least 20 minutes.

posted by llz on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:35:10 am     #  

Most of those freeways in Detroit are submerged like that, man made river beds, just waiting to flood.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 12, 2014 at 02:32:24 am     #  

If Detroit got that much rain then it means they must have dumped a LOT of raw sewage into the Detroit river. That'll help things in lake Erie....NOT.

posted by JeepMaker on Aug 12, 2014 at 08:05:48 am     #   2 people liked this

Federal, state and local are going to hold our feet to the fire to clean up our aged equipment and Detroit gets a pass for far more discharge and the reason is what?

posted by Mariner on Aug 12, 2014 at 08:38:01 am     #   1 person liked this

JeepMaker posted at 08:05:48 AM on Aug 12, 2014:

If Detroit got that much rain then it means they must have dumped a LOT of raw sewage into the Detroit river. That'll help things in lake Erie....NOT.

We dumped a lot too.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 09:44:49 am     #  

Aug 12, 2014 - Toledo Blade - Downpour contributes to algae problem

Monday’s torrential downpour contributed to the algae problem with massive sewage spills, although their duration has not yet been quantified and posted online.

When heavy rains deluge combined sewer systems — where storm water and sewerage can mix — the volume can overwhelm systems and spill untreated sewage into waterways, including the Maumee.

Raw sewage contributes to the development of algae blooms on Lake Erie.

Residents can check the frequency and duration of sewage spills on the Toledo Waterways Initiative Web site, www.toledowaterwaysinitiative.com . Go to the Tech Data heading.

http://www.toledowaterwaysinitiative.com/tech-data

posted by jr on Aug 12, 2014 at 09:49:12 am     #  

We got that kind of overflow into our basement in 1974 and 1975, the first 2 years in our first house. Baumgartners came over and installed a 4 foot long PVC pipe in our basement drain that we could screw in and remove as needed to keep the water out in the sewer lines moving on its way and out of our basement and we never had another basement flood. Found out also that our lines drain combined along with our next-door neighbor below their driveway and HE already had one of those pipes, so the backup in our house was made worse by it not being able to backup into his, too. Hope the people who we sold the house to had that pipe in yesterday! :(

posted by nana on Aug 12, 2014 at 10:08:06 am     #  

Did Toledo ever finish the project to seperate the storm water and sanitary sewer systems? Or are we still dumping sewage into the lake when it storms?

Seems like we should have come up with a solution decades ago. It IS the 21st century.

posted by JeepMaker on Aug 13, 2014 at 10:16:57 am     #  

According to jr's link, we are 62% finished with it. The goal is 2020.

posted by justread on Aug 13, 2014 at 12:43:43 pm     #  

The site has been updated to reflect the affects of Monday's heavy rains in Toledo.

http://www.toledowaterwaysinitiative.com/tech-data

Combined sewer overflows (CSOs) occur when storm water mixed with sewage overflows into the Maumee River, Ottawa River and Swan Creek.

This section includes a map showing the dates of CSO overflows, their location and their duration.

Aug 11, 2014 overflows:

Windemere, 452 minutes
Lagrange, 385 minutes
Hillside, 622 minutes
Junction, 68 minutes
Hawley, 153 minutes
Ewing, 40 minutes
Hamilton, 55 minutes
Erie, 145 minutes
Maumee, 378 minutes
Bostwick, 103 minutes
Jefferson, 85 minutes
Adams, 119 minutes
Jackson, 65 minutes
Locust, 617 minutes
Magnolia, 305 minutes
Oakdale, 375 minutes
Fasset, 325 minutes
Nevada, 466 minutes
Main, 326 minutes
Dearborn, 495 minutes
Paine, 350 minutes


Some of the worst days of 2014 for these overflows occurred on:

  • Jan 11
  • Feb 20
  • Aug 11

posted by jr on Aug 13, 2014 at 12:57:57 pm     #  

That's gross. :(

posted by justread on Aug 13, 2014 at 01:33:22 pm     #   1 person liked this

Good research job jr! Justread is correct. Unusual climate condition, but is there any wonder why we have the degraded situation we have let expand. Former mayor's are also correct. Finger pointing is of no value at this stage. Short-sighted was yesterday. Let's use an intelligent approach to remedy the situation today. Hate to use the comparison of the replacement of the Maumee-Perrysburg bridge demolition and re-construction to the repairs of the Cherry bridge lift span (which still doesn't work properly) but let's get the damned thing right the first time for a change. Get the talent in and put it together correctly.

posted by Mariner on Aug 13, 2014 at 05:41:17 pm     #  

From Mariner: Finger pointing is of no value at this stage.

I wouldn't go that far, Mariner. The entertainment value alone is worth something. Maybe not much, but something. And let's remember that the time honored tradition of finger pointing and name calling tends to reassure the general public that all is well, plus it serves to take people's minds off the real problem of government by blithering idiots. An idiocracy, maybe?

From Mariner: Let's use an intelligent approach to remedy the situation today.

Okay, see, right there. Intelligent approach. Not just the usual approach, but an intelligent approach. Given that there's one, maybe two exceptions to the bloviating fatheads and back-slapping mental midgets that run the local government, what makes you think that any intelligent solution will ever be implemented?

posted by madjack on Aug 13, 2014 at 06:36:54 pm     #  

Yup, Dearborn, that was us, and look, it's the worst in time spent regurgitating. 40 years and it's no better.

posted by nana on Aug 13, 2014 at 11:50:58 pm     #