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In addition to being dubbed the "chattering class" all the contributors herewith can consider themselves "Or the second-guessers who think that typing an online insult amounts to social activism?" so designated by David Kushma an editor for a local publication.

http://www.toledoblade.com/DavidKushma/2014/08/24/Pay-attention-to-what-Collins-said-not-the-way-he-said-it.html

Apparently professional journalists, those who derive payment for the written word, would far and away prefer not to have rank amateurs such as you and I, the ability to engage in discourse on an electronic medium with a free transmission of ideas and inquiry. In the same condescending manner of union workers naming all others scabs, the inference is that all weighty topics are best left to those who think they know best. In order to retain the theme it's necessary to reply: Stow it and Shove it Mr. Kushma.

created by Mariner on Aug 24, 2014 at 08:18:22 am     Comments: 21

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Ironic. They source their opinions from Detroiters. Detroiters will soon be printing them, too. In his over-worded opportunity to say "hey, I asked him the question in the first place, I own this" he threw his own "homegirl" under the bus with the rest of us who, because we differ in perspective, are illegitimate.

posted by justread on Aug 24, 2014 at 08:46:16 am     #   2 people liked this

A prostitute is still a prosti no matter how much she wants to be called a "lady."

posted by Mariner on Aug 24, 2014 at 08:50:48 am     #   1 person liked this

Not sure how Kushma even glommed onto the defense of the utterly indefensible 9/11 blatherization, when he should have focused on the fact that the August 1 "crisis" had little to do with water and much to do with an over-reaction and incitement of panic by a group of people who were elected and appointed well beyond the scope of their combined ability to lead, manage, and direct.
I admire many of them for reaching beyond their own grasp. But the opportunity to rise to the occasion has passed.
In a new role calling for vision, clarity, transparency and leadership... Collins reverted to crime scene tape, custody and control of secret evidence, and cover your ass. If he could have handcuffed the algae and walked it from a paddywagon to the safety building this would have gone perfectly.

posted by justread on Aug 24, 2014 at 09:19:14 am     #   6 people liked this

Mr. Collins noted that the water crisis, as well as his overall tenure as mayor, have subjected him to “a lot of Monday-morning quarterbacking.” He asserted: “No other mayor in the history of Toledo has had this windfall of challenges — has had to face everything I’ve had to face."

Monday-morning quarterbacking was perfectly fine for him to do when he was on council.

No other mayor in the city's history? That's a pretty broad statement. Nothing he is facing was an unknown when he took office - not blight, not the condition of the water plant, not the finances, none of it.

posted by MrsArcher on Aug 24, 2014 at 12:45:11 pm     #   10 people liked this

Mayor Cornell Shrieber called. He said "smh ....lol."

posted by justread on Aug 24, 2014 at 01:37:22 pm     #  

From Pay Attention To What Collins Said, Not The Way He Said It by David Kushma

The mayor’s point, if less than artfully expressed, is that we need the same sort of all-hands-on-deck commitment and mobilization to heal Lake Erie that Americans — citizens and elected officials alike — provided to fight terrorism after Sept. 11, 2001.

Anyone want to argue with that?

I'm your huckleberry.

Begin with the Patriot Act, over 350 pages of legalize signed into law by King George II in 2001 and extended by the Ayatollah Obongo in 2011.

The law allows immigrants to be detained indefinitely; allows law enforcement officers to search a home or business without the owner’s or the occupant’s consent or knowledge; allows the FBI to search telephone, e-mail, and financial records without a court order; and gave expanded access to law enforcement agencies to business records, including library and financial records.

Federal courts have since ruled that a number of provisions are unconstitutional.

Continue with the militarization of the police force and the airport security system that is supposed to keep everyone safe but has failed on numerous occasions, then add the secret 'no-fly' list that prohibited Senator Kennedy from getting on a plane.

I see little point in continuing.

Yeah, all hands on deck. Line up single file in front of the diving board...

Lake Erie isn't going to get fixed. The opponents have more money than the mere civilians, and the commercial news media employs brilliant writers such as David Kushma, an intellect that we, the hoi polloi, can never hope to compete with, who are directed to defend the completely asinine statements of Toledo mayor Dennis M. Collins.

posted by madjack on Aug 24, 2014 at 07:38:18 pm     #   6 people liked this

Apparently professional journalists, those who derive payment for the written word, would far and away prefer not to have rank amateurs such as you and I, the ability to engage in discourse on an electronic medium with a free transmission of ideas and inquiry.

That is correct. Gold star for you.

You might do something bad with your First Amendment rights, like have an opinion different then them. This shows your obvious ignorance and mis/maleducation.

The mass media will have an opinion for you, repeat it endlessly to brainwash you (facts be damned), and then condemn you if the brainwashing didn't work and you don't parrot their "correct" and socially acceptable renderings word-for-word.

They just cannot stand that they are not the gatekeepers of information anymore and that free speech applies to the Internet as much applies to standing on a crate at Government Center.

posted by oldhometown on Aug 24, 2014 at 08:55:13 pm     #   2 people liked this

**than them...not "then" them...

posted by oldhometown on Aug 24, 2014 at 08:59:08 pm     #  

Not everyone in mass media thinks the open nature of discourse is a bad thing.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Aug 24, 2014 at 09:55:05 pm     #   3 people liked this

*open nature of discourse on the internet

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Aug 24, 2014 at 09:55:39 pm     #  

+1 Nolan_rosenkrans

posted by paulhem on Aug 25, 2014 at 10:52:28 am     #  

I am finding more and more the redundancy of getting the paper, everything is either covered on the local news or radio, if not there then definitely on the internet through either other media outlets or social media, and at the price they want for tissue thin, crinkled, ripped, smudgy printed, small format newspaper, I am again questioning why I bother giving them money.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 25, 2014 at 12:56:52 pm     #  

And I'm hooked by MIJeff :)

I suspect that most of the news discussed here comes from The Blade. So there must be something unique there - just sayin...

There are electronic Blade products. If you like to have print-like layout, then the eBlade is available and of course the Web site and apps are also not "tissue-thin, crinkled, ripped, smudgy, etc.

Also The Blade, so far, still publishes and delivers the paper seven days per week. The Detroit papers deliver only 3 days per week. And they are pretty small, as well.

posted by paulhem on Aug 25, 2014 at 01:17:12 pm     #  

paulhem posted at 01:17:12 PM on Aug 25, 2014:

And I'm hooked by MIJeff :)

I suspect that most of the news discussed here comes from The Blade. So there must be something unique there - just sayin...

There are electronic Blade products. If you like to have print-like layout, then the eBlade is available and of course the Web site and apps are also not "tissue-thin, crinkled, ripped, smudgy, etc.

Also The Blade, so far, still publishes and delivers the paper seven days per week. The Detroit papers deliver only 3 days per week. And they are pretty small, as well.

I suspect that plenty of Blade stories started here.

Funny how that works.

posted by justread on Aug 25, 2014 at 01:39:08 pm     #  

People usually provide "tips" to news outlets of all types. That has been the nature of the business for years. This is a virtual meeting-place and the news people here will check for stories, like they would in a bar, restaurant, meeting, etc.

posted by paulhem on Aug 25, 2014 at 02:04:32 pm     #  

In that case have a tip for you straight from the coconut telegraph. Have been swimming in that green speckled lake all my life and am strong as a horse and healthy. Much ado about nothing said the bard. Verifiable sanity might be an issue, however, after all this is the new normal.

posted by Mariner on Aug 25, 2014 at 03:51:42 pm     #  

Have been swimming in that green speckled lake all my life and am strong as a horse and healthy.

Hahahaha! Me too. It was scary in the 60s, though. The dead fish lying on the shoreline reeked at Sterling State Park at the time. Plus you couldn't see bottom at all. The zebra mussels fixed the clarity issue - except the Cyanobacteria (It ain't algae - it just looks green).

I did waterski on the Maumee near Perrysburg, once, back in the 80s. When I fell from the skis and was underwater, I saw some poop float by on the surface above me. Well, I did have a few beers before that. So. maybe it wasn't poop?

People told me when I refused to put my head under water in the Maumee, "That ain't poop, it just looks like it." "looking like it" is close enough for me... No need to measure to the nearest 0.1 ppb

posted by paulhem on Aug 25, 2014 at 04:36:36 pm     #  

Paul - we would water ski in the 80's as well until one of our gang got a urinary track infection. Then we took it to Catawba.

posted by Molsonator on Aug 25, 2014 at 04:52:27 pm     #  

I'm sure it was poop.

That just made me think about Caddyshack. I think I'll go rent it tonight, haven't watched that movie in a really long time.

posted by foodie88 on Aug 25, 2014 at 04:52:31 pm     #  

Am probably sending mixed signals but the last several posts reminded me the only thing that would clean a white fiberglass hull at the end of the year was toilet bowl cleaner and a power washer. It was something we just lived with for decades.

posted by Mariner on Aug 25, 2014 at 05:56:20 pm     #  

Mariner posted at 05:56:20 PM on Aug 25, 2014:

Am probably sending mixed signals but the last several posts reminded me the only thing that would clean a white fiberglass hull at the end of the year was toilet bowl cleaner and a power washer. It was something we just lived with for decades.

Been 10 years since I wet-slipped a boat. But I can still imagine the smell and feel the sting of the acid on my arms behind the glove line and on my face.

posted by justread on Aug 25, 2014 at 06:16:09 pm     #