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Latest Water Bill

Just received the latest "water" bill. Water in quotations because it seems like this bill is anything but these days.

$336!

Two people in the house. WTF??!! It wasn't that many years ago that the cost was $90 a quarter.

created by Foodie on Oct 22, 2014 at 03:09:49 pm     Home     Comments: 73

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Same here.

Water fee.
Trash fee.
Sewer usage fee.
Sewer special fee.
The Jackasses kicked the can down the road years ago fee.
We made a deal with the EPA to avoid prosecution fee....

posted by justread on Oct 22, 2014 at 03:15:59 pm     #   4 people liked this

There's a surcharge for providing you with additional microcystin. They don't just give that stuff away!

posted by mom2 on Oct 22, 2014 at 03:17:19 pm     #   11 people liked this

Classic. :)

posted by justread on Oct 22, 2014 at 03:17:49 pm     #  

Check your bill and your meter. Make sure there are no estimates. They often estimate the sewage and sometimes the water.

Also confirm that your inside meter reading matches the remote exterior reading. If they don't match call the Water Department ASAP.

Lastly - if you used the sprinkler a lot (assuming that bill is for July/August/September) call the water department and they will adjust your sewer usage to your "winter" usage. If you don't do that they just match it to your water usage and assume all water used the sewer. Obviously, if you are watering your lawn that is not the case.

I manage about 80 single family homes and I am constantly battling with the water department. They are terrible. They also are in direct violation of Ohio Law by charging the Deed Holder for the water usage and not the tenant, but that's another debate. They just suck in general.

Good luck.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Oct 22, 2014 at 03:43:10 pm     #   2 people liked this

The only positive from these higher water bills is that hopefully voters start noticing a shortage of disposable funds and are forced to start voting down all the levies.

They've managed to add all these fees onto us without having to gain levy support for any of them.

posted by 6th_Floor on Oct 23, 2014 at 09:14:08 am     #  

oh lord jesus. We just got a hot tub a a month ago. I am dreading to see our bill.

posted by stooks on Oct 23, 2014 at 09:37:35 am     #  

stooks posted at 10:37:35 AM on Oct 23, 2014:

oh lord jesus. We just got a hot tub a a month ago. I am dreading to see our bill.

You'll be fine. Hardly any of the bill has to do with water. At least you are getting some benefit.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 09:40:18 am     #  

justread posted at 04:15:59 PM on Oct 22, 2014:

Same here.

Water fee.
Trash fee.

Sewer usage fee.

Sewer special fee.

The Jackasses kicked the can down the road years ago fee.

We made a deal with the EPA to avoid prosecution fee....

Okay, I'll say it - the senior crowd kicked the can down the road when they had the power (decades ago) and now when we have to pay the piper, they want their 'discount' because they are on a 'fixed income'.

posted by MsArcher on Oct 23, 2014 at 10:32:34 am     #   1 person liked this

Ok. Let's look at the leaders, shall we?
Harry Kessler gets a pass. On account of being dead.

Doug DeGood, Donna Owens, John McHugh, Czarty, and JaFo:
No discount for you!!!

I am willing to throw David Boston in there if I get a second for the motion.

And no discount for any member of the Block family living in Toledo. They can get free health screenings at UTMC, however.

posted by justread on Oct 23, 2014 at 10:48:21 am     #  

"........And no discount for any member of the Block family living in Toledo. They can get free health screenings at UTMC, however."

f/k/a "The Medical College of Ohio at Toledo"...............

I second the motion for Boston.

posted by Foodie on Oct 23, 2014 at 11:04:41 am     #  

When I moved out of Toledo in 2003, my quarterly water/sewer bill was running around 32.00 to 37.00 for one person.

posted by Nyse on Oct 23, 2014 at 03:18:37 pm     #  

When I moved out of Toledo in 2010, my water bill was $90 a quarter for 2 people, sometimes 3 on the weekends, but that's only one shower and maybe a load of laundry for him. Got to Lake Township and my bill tripled, I paid $90-$120 per month in the 5 summer months the first year we were here. The following winter we added 575 gallons of rainbarrel and stopped watering the grass forever and it has settled down to about $65/month average for just 2 people, no boarders. Of course, we didn't get the microcystin surcharge either, so we got that going for us.

posted by nana on Oct 23, 2014 at 07:07:24 pm     #  

Use more, pay less!

posted by ifXthenWhyNot on Oct 23, 2014 at 07:28:23 pm     #  

I'd still like to know the "truth" about the number of employees at the water/dept. of public utilities who should have been fired but instead sent there to "hide" them until they get their platinum retirement package. Do they really exist? How many of them are there? Are the rumors true that there are literally hundreds of them? What is their impact on our quarterly bills?

Too bad we can't install Tom Noe as the department head. Then, maybe The Blade - you know, the paper that is run by the egomaniac who lives in Pittsburgh but believes he knows what's best for us and is printed in Sterling Heights - would do some good old fashioned investigative reporting to discover whatever the "truth" is.

posted by Foodie on Oct 24, 2014 at 07:34:47 am     #   6 people liked this

got a bill saying I owe more than 6 grand in water / sewer bills over the past TWO MONTHS. long story short... they read the meter wrong. good lord how many people are overpaying based bad meter reads? egads

posted by upso on Feb 17, 2015 at 09:35:04 pm     #  

Whoa. Dude.

posted by gamegrrl on Feb 17, 2015 at 10:49:03 pm     #  

Good lord when are they going to hire people that can read numbers?

posted by MIJeff on Feb 18, 2015 at 12:11:05 am     #  

Aw crap. Me too. I paid mine.
I assumed I had missed a few more random fees. Like an Algal Remediation Long-Term Analysis fee, or a Deferred Maintenance Eventual Comeuppance fee. Maybe a Garbage Pickup Was Delayed Twice for Snow and That's Going to Cost You fee.

posted by justread on Feb 18, 2015 at 06:46:30 am     #   1 person liked this

Or a "we just moved another hundred employees over to the public utilities dept. and you will have to pay for them to do nothing" fee.

posted by Foodie on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:41:58 am     #   4 people liked this

Jesus Christ, don't get me started on the water department. Two years ago, a representative from the water dept was supposed to meet me at a rental property I handle for a relative (about a meter issue), it was in the dead of winter, the property is vacant, so I have the heat low.

They give you that stupid 3 or 4 hour window, and you have to sit and wait that whole time. So, I armed myself with a warm coat and a couple magazines. Anyways, they stood me up. I made another appointment for the following week, stood me up again. In the meantime, I kept trying to complain, but nobody down there at that department really gives a shit about anything. Made a third appointment, and yep, you guessed it, stood me up again.

Last year I had an issue about the water bill at my business, I called them to get some information, and the customer service phone rep there refused to use the word "gallons" with me.

Now I know they bill in CCF, but I was trying to explain a hypothetical situation, seemed like the only route I could get through to her, and I was saying something like " Well, that's blah blah gallons per 24 hour period " , and she told me at least three times, "Ma'am, we are not allowed to use the term gallons with you ". We only speak in CCF.

WTH ?

posted by foodie88 on Feb 18, 2015 at 02:23:51 pm     #  

I hate the water department. Hate it truly and deeply with a white-hot fire in the pit of my being. I would say that it seems they go out of their way to be inept and incompetent, but that would suggest that they would make the effort required to go out of their way for ANYTHING.

posted by gamegrrl on Feb 18, 2015 at 02:28:44 pm     #   3 people liked this

That reminded me of mom2's white hot hate fire from a thousand suns from a week or two ago. :)

posted by justread on Feb 18, 2015 at 04:34:38 pm     #   2 people liked this

Has the water department ever been independently audited?

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:54:10 pm     #  

Has the water department ever been independently audited?

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:54:11 pm     #  

Has the water department ever been independently audited?

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:54:27 pm     #  

Has the water department ever been independently audited?

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:54:29 pm     #  

I got a $5200 bill last year from the water department. I called them and they asked if my toilet was possibly running.

Running for congress maybe. Looking at the CCFs used, it was like 750,000 thousand gallons for three month period. It worked out to 5 and a half gallons per minute, 24 hours per day, for 90 straight days.

They admitted the mistake and replaced the meter that week, but it took 2 months get the bill fixed and I recieved numerous letters telling me they were going to turn off my water if I didn't pay.

Funny thing I'd call them and the person on the other end of the phone would just tell me to ignore the letters. The threats were still quite troubling.

In the end it all worked out.

posted by SensorG on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:54:39 pm     #  

Why you're doubling, Dappling.

posted by justread on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:55:54 pm     #   1 person liked this

I apologize. My iPhone froze and I hit the "post" button several times! I was not making a statement!

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 18, 2015 at 07:59:09 pm     #  

Hey, I have an idea. This has been a pretty rampant problem for a long time that seems to be going unchecked. Maybe the Blade could do a little investigative reporting on the Water Department instead of stretching their tentacles out to Woodville?

You might look into even the smallest details like what Water Department employees are doing (or not doing) while being paid by tax payers? (just a hint)

posted by Danneskjold on Feb 18, 2015 at 08:03:11 pm     #   3 people liked this

When I left Toledo in 2003, I was paying quarterly 35 to 39 for one person, there was no rubbish pickup on it then. Never had a problem with the water division. Come to think of it, when are they going to let people know how many delinquent connections they have and the amount outstanding or are they going to be like the Treasurer's office with some properties not paying real estate taxes for 10 years and nothing is done. Detroit all over again, an audit needs to be done and soon. Millions in outstanding property tax and they raise the sales tax, no one questions or just follow along like sheep. I still pay for Toledo water and Lucas County property tax.

posted by Nyse on Feb 19, 2015 at 12:43:28 am     #  

Dappling2 posted at 07:54:29 PM on Feb 18, 2015:

Has the water department ever been independently audited?

The water treatment plant was "reviewed" after the water "incident" and the results were a mess. Apparently they keep 2 sets of books. Neither book was balanced, money was missing, etc. Same old, same old for most things connected to the city.

PS-still waiting on the investigation results for the missing backhoe.

posted by hockeyfan on Feb 19, 2015 at 03:09:17 am     #  

Water division needs an outside audit, just like the treasurer's office. Oh, and fire any one who has misplaced or stolen equipment. Poor people can not pay they will tell you, well wonder about all the other people giving up stuff to pay their bills and for the ones that will not pay who make the bills go up due to non payment. And the Blade is worthless, they should right on this tells us the amount of delinquent accounts in both water and property taxes. No wonder their circulation has fallen so much.

posted by Nyse on Feb 19, 2015 at 08:37:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

hockeyfan posted at 03:09:17 AM on Feb 19, 2015:
Dappling2 posted at 07:54:29 PM on Feb 18, 2015:

Has the water department ever been independently audited?

The water treatment plant was "reviewed" after the water "incident" and the results were a mess. Apparently they keep 2 sets of books. Neither book was balanced, money was missing, etc. Same old, same old for most things connected to the city.

PS-still waiting on the investigation results for the missing backhoe.

Part of the '2 sets of books' deal is because for decades the City of Toledo did not have financial records that could be accessed by the departments. So many departments (maybe most?) ran their own set of books on product like Quickbooks or Peachtree in order to know where their money was going and how much they had to spend. It would not surprise me at all that the water department continued to run their Quickbooks-like system in addition to the city's comprehensive system, despite the duplication of work.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 19, 2015 at 10:45:56 pm     #  

It was VERY easy to talk my $6,100 bill down to $100 today over the phone. I suspect they are dealing with a LOT of misreadings.

posted by upso on Feb 20, 2015 at 01:09:40 am     #  

My normal quarterly water bill runs about $180.00 per.

Opened up my invoice today and it was for over $12,000.00. Almost had a heart attack.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jul 06, 2015 at 01:45:29 pm     #   1 person liked this

How many leaky toilets do you HAVE?

posted by justread on Jul 06, 2015 at 02:03:41 pm     #   1 person liked this

Neighbors all filled their polls with his hose?

posted by MIJeff on Jul 06, 2015 at 02:08:37 pm     #  

pools

posted by MIJeff on Jul 06, 2015 at 02:08:46 pm     #  

JohnnyMac posted at 02:45:29 PM on Jul 06, 2015:

My normal quarterly water bill runs about $180.00 per.

Opened up my invoice today and it was for over $12,000.00. Almost had a heart attack.

These SOBs did that to me once for over $1800. Even worse, I had linked them to my bank account for auto-pay, and they yanked that money straight out of my checking account.

These days that would mostly be an inconvenience, but back then I was a starving grad student living mostly paycheck to paycheck. The sudden disappearance of $1800 smackaroos caused me to incur several NSF charges.

To the credit of the Water Dept., they reimbursed me, but it was still a good week to straighten everything out, and I certainly did not get reimbursed for the several hours of time I wasted on their goofy mis-reading and erroneous bill.

posted by historymike on Jul 06, 2015 at 03:17:14 pm     #   1 person liked this

Mine was a mistaken reading of the meter, although I am not sure how they read "1942" as "5074." So, with two phone calls and one viewing of my meter later, I saved $12,072.56!

posted by JohnnyMac on Jul 07, 2015 at 09:47:17 am     #  

Same here, I had an "estimate" reading that was 3 times higher than the usual bill. When I questioned it, they said I needed a new meter but still paid the bill. Once the new meter was in place they conveniently allocated the overpayment to previous quarters to cover a "discrepancy" between the interior and exterior meters. Complete BS in my opinion as once the replacement meter was in place the utilization magically returned to the same approximate usage as before.

I believe a full audit / review of the water dept. is in order.

BTW interesting fact for those not aware the "can that got kicked down the road" was the fact that raw sewage that was getting dumped into the Maumee every time it rained. The EPA has long required cities to take actions to prevent this and fined those that didn't comply with the regulations (it gave cities many years to do so...but of course Toledo did nothing). The EPA's recommendation was to create separate sanitary and storm sewers, this would allow storm runoff to go to the river (and does not require treatment) preventing the issue regardless of how much it rained. Instead the water dept. chose to build a HUGE storage tank to collect the runoff and treat it all before discharge.

The downside of this is:
- It's still possible to outrun the combined storage/treatment facility under extremely heavy precipitation.
- It requires treating storm runoff like sanitary sewage (not inexpensive)
- The sewer system is not upgraded at all so we still have flooding in some areas due to system capacity and age
- The treatment plant does not have increased capacity so it still takes just as long to treat a gallon of water as before (or CCF)

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. #endrant

posted by breeman on Jul 07, 2015 at 11:08:53 am     #   1 person liked this

upso posted at 01:09:40 AM on Feb 20, 2015:

It was VERY easy to talk my $6,100 bill down to $100 today over the phone. I suspect they are dealing with a LOT of misreadings.

aaaaaaaand a year later, guess who got another $6,000 water bill?

Their read: 1,859
Actual read: 748

So, no big deal. We're back in Toledo for the weekend and they'll be installing the new e-meter tomorrow free of charge.

But seriously... how often is this happening? And how many people are grossly over paying on their water because they don't know any better?

posted by upso on Feb 21, 2016 at 05:06:22 pm     #   1 person liked this

We're all grossly overpaying on our water bills even when the reading is accurate.

posted by Foodie on Feb 22, 2016 at 08:59:31 am     #   8 people liked this

I was doing some work for a client last week, and the subject of water bills came up and whether or not the business was on sewer or septic. So I pulled the water bill out and looked - getting charged for sewer, so we assumed we were on sewer.

But then I realized what I was looking at - the water/sewer bill for a retail business with hundreds of people a day in foot traffic has a lower quarterly charge than my HOUSE with 2 people living in it, water only because I'm on a septic system for waste.

Granted, two different townships in the county (i.e., not City of Toledo), but still - a commercial location has a cheaper water and sewer bill than a water only bill at a residential location?!?

posted by MsArcher on Feb 22, 2016 at 09:18:51 am     #   1 person liked this

yeah that's strange

posted by upso on Feb 22, 2016 at 01:24:40 pm     #  

I have often heard that Water Departments are job banks that help pad the amount of city employees, great for favors, great for votes, great all around... Often the employees are... how you say... not "cream of the crop."

I've noticed an inefficiency within Toledo's water department. Detroit's Water Department was a huge issue when they were trying to clean up the budget issues during bankruptcy. Very bloated and inefficient.

Whenever I have heard the political bantering that erupted immediately in Flint I can't help but wonder just how poorly run their water department was and how uncooperative they may have been before things erupted regarding any attempts to become more streamlined and efficient.

Problems are often more complex at the root.

This is one of the major issues I have with State run/Government run entities.

posted by Danneskjold on Feb 22, 2016 at 06:52:55 pm     #  

I agree with Danneskjold about water departments being inefficient. They seem to create jobs in our water department for screw ups/political favors. When Tom Carrother's made that huge screwup with the Southwyck deal instead of firing him like in the private industry they created a $70K+ job a year for him in the water department. Ed Moore who overseas the water department got a check for tuition reimbursement for UT when his tuition was actually being waived because his wife is a UT employee when he was in another department with the city a long time ago. In the private sector he would have been fired and possibly faced criminal charges but instead he gets a six figure salary overseeing the water department even though he still has no degree. I bank at the 5/3rd in the Ohio Bldg where the water dept is and every afternoon a water department clerk gets a police escort to make the deposit even though the bank is just across the hall and the clerk and the police will sit down in the lobby and bs while the teller handles the deposit. Why do the taxpayers need to pay for a clerk and a police officer to sit in a bank lobby while the deposit is being counted????

posted by classylady on Feb 23, 2016 at 01:20:52 am     #  

We recently moved from Sylvania to Sylvania Township (now a Toledo address) and I finally understand this thread. Just got my first bill from 12/21 through 2/12 for $206. We were averaging $60 a month at the previous house and that included trash, which I now have to pay for separately! It seems insane that a suburban resident would be paying less than the city, and receiving more services. Welcome to Toledo I guess!

posted by idinspired on Feb 27, 2016 at 07:39:50 am     #   1 person liked this

idinspired posted at 07:39:50 AM on Feb 27, 2016:

We recently moved from Sylvania to Sylvania Township (now a Toledo address) and I finally understand this thread. Just got my first bill from 12/21 through 2/12 for $206. We were averaging $60 a month at the previous house and that included trash, which I now have to pay for separately! It seems insane that a suburban resident would be paying less than the city, and receiving more services. Welcome to Toledo I guess!

I don't understand all I'm reading here. If you're in Sylvania Township and not in a city, you have the option of drilling your own well instead of buying your water from the city. You also have your choice of trash collectors, or I suppose you can handle the trash yourself.

I think my trash bill is $65 for 3 months, and I have no water bill.

posted by madjack on Feb 27, 2016 at 01:24:37 pm     #  

you have the option of drilling your own well instead of buying your water from the city.

Health department typically condemns any wells once water is brought to an area; you can maintain the well for irrigation purposes, but it is not permitted to be used for pottable water.

We recently moved from Sylvania to Sylvania Township (now a Toledo address) and I finally understand this thread. Just got my first bill from 12/21 through 2/12 for $206. We were averaging $60 a month at the previous house and that included trash, which I now have to pay for separately! It seems insane that a suburban resident would be paying less than the city, and receiving more services. Welcome to Toledo I guess!

I think you are confused. Even though you may have a Toledo mailing address, you are a township resident (or can be, I am taking you at your word that you moved to Sylvania Township).

If you live in the township, you could be getting your water from one of two sources - city of Toledo via a contract with Lucas County (the bill would come from the city of Toledo DPU), or city of Sylvania based on their water district (the bill would come from the City of Sylvania). Either way, your water and sewer rates are more than City of Toledo residents pay, guaranteed.

Now if you moved from Sylvania City to Sylvania Township, you no longer have to pay Sylvania City income tax (though if you work in an city with a income tax, you may not see the savings).

Property taxes in the township are slightly higher, because the township funds the police from property taxes, while Sylvania city uses income taxes to fund their police.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 27, 2016 at 03:02:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

upso posted at 06:06:22 PM on Feb 21, 2016:
upso posted at 01:09:40 AM on Feb 20, 2015:

It was VERY easy to talk my $6,100 bill down to $100 today over the phone. I suspect they are dealing with a LOT of misreadings.

aaaaaaaand a year later, guess who got another $6,000 water bill?

Their read: 1,859
Actual read: 748

So, no big deal. We're back in Toledo for the weekend and they'll be installing the new e-meter tomorrow free of charge.

But seriously... how often is this happening? And how many people are grossly over paying on their water because they don't know any better?

toledo is driving me craaaaaazaaaaaaay

after I got the new e-meter installed the city worker showed me the significantly adjusted bill and let me know I'd get some paperwork in the mail showing the change.

did that paperwork ever arrive? nope.

Instead YESTERDAY (almost 2 months later) I get a final notice that they are turning off my water if I don't pay the $6,700 TODAY. (final notice showing up a day before due date? wtf?)

I called the city and they let me know my adjusted bill for $109 was sent out yesterday.

posted by upso on Apr 06, 2016 at 10:29:25 am     #  

You would think a department that was so well staffed could handle these administrative tasks efficiently.

end sarcastic remark

posted by breeman on Apr 06, 2016 at 10:41:57 am     #   5 people liked this

idinspired posted at 08:39:50 AM on Feb 27, 2016:

We recently moved from Sylvania to Sylvania Township (now a Toledo address) and I finally understand this thread. Just got my first bill from 12/21 through 2/12 for $206. We were averaging $60 a month at the previous house and that included trash, which I now have to pay for separately! It seems insane that a suburban resident would be paying less than the city, and receiving more services. Welcome to Toledo I guess!

Sylvania Township residents pay nearly twice as much as Toledo city residents, due to the suburban delivery surcharge.

Did you receive water through Lucas County when you lived at your previous residence?

posted by mom2 on Apr 06, 2016 at 10:44:11 am     #  

Sylvania Township residents pay nearly twice as much as Toledo city residents, due to the suburban delivery surcharge."

I thought that it was called a water extortion agreement.

Remember :

Mayor Hicks-Hudson said she wants to make Toledo more efficient.

The process takes time. (and higher taxes)

posted by jr on Apr 06, 2016 at 12:40:07 pm     #   1 person liked this

Robbing Hood time again in
Toledo. Steal from those who have it and give to those who ain't.

posted by Mariner on Apr 06, 2016 at 03:53:38 pm     #  

I looked at our water bills from ten years ago and did a year to year comparison. We are paying 213% more then we did in 2005/2006. Based on inflation it would have been reasonable to pay 28% more - not 213% more.

Toledo is in bad shape. I have almost started another thread about just how disappointed my wife and I are. In the 1990's my immediate family members, parents, Grandparent and Aunts comprised about ten different households all living in Toledo, mostly white collar, skilled, above average earners and a few skilled blue collar above average earners. They have all moved away from the Toledo to Perrysburg, Michigan, Rossford.... My wife and I are the last holdouts and we plan on getting out next Spring.

posted by Danneskjold on Apr 06, 2016 at 06:35:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

I looked at our water bills from ten years ago and did a year to year comparison. We are paying 213% more then we did in 2005/2006. Based on inflation it would have been reasonable to pay 28% more - not 213% more.

Toledo is in bad shape. I have almost started another thread about just how disappointed my wife and I are. In the 1990's my immediate family members, parents, Grandparent and Aunts comprised about ten different households all living in Toledo, mostly white collar, skilled, above average earners and a few skilled blue collar above average earners. They have all moved away from the Toledo to Perrysburg, Michigan, Rossford.... My wife and I are the last holdouts and we plan on getting out next Spring.

posted by Danneskjold on Apr 06, 2016 at 06:35:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

Unrelated to this thread but related in general.

Apr 30, 2016 - Toledo Blade - Taxpayers footing bill for the cityís billing error

The city of Toledo is reprinting and mailing nearly 1,700 water bills after a snafu led to some customers not getting bills.

An unknown number of residents did not receive their regular quarterly water and sewer bills from the city, but they did get a warning letter asking them to pay up after the city didnít get its money.

Mr. Wandersee said he could not get a straight answer about his missing bill after spending 15 minutes on the phone Wednesday with a city utility department employee.

posted by jr on Apr 30, 2016 at 08:04:43 am     #  

Had this happen to me, got a late notice in the mail. I called the water department and pointed out that I never got the original bill and was immediately told "they had received a lot of calls" regarding this and would send out a reprinted bill, they also removed the late fee from my bill....nice of them as it was clearly their fault...I'm suprised.

posted by breeman on May 01, 2016 at 12:58:14 pm     #  

And the insanity continues..........latest "water" bill arrived yesterday: $430 for the quarter.

Toledo's reputation as an "affordable place to live" is being destroyed by the insane cost of utilities here.

Latest First Energy bill arrived a couple days ago too: $425.

I'm starting to feel like the schlub in the Little Caesar's commercial:
"That's it! We're going off the grid!"

posted by Foodie on Jul 24, 2016 at 03:14:56 am     #   1 person liked this

Foodie, Your taking too many long showers and leaving too many lights on!

posted by reggie on Jul 24, 2016 at 06:45:40 am     #  

I've actually compared the cost of utilities here with others around the country and even some internationally kwh for kwh and ccf for ccf. The cost of living here in NW Ohio is actually very high compared with many other parts of the country, if it were not for the low cost of housing it would be more expensive than living in California.

posted by breeman on Jul 24, 2016 at 07:05:50 am     #  

reggie posted at 07:45:40 AM on Jul 24, 2016:

Foodie, Your taking too many long showers and leaving too many lights on!

You'd think so wouldn't you? We always practice the rule of thumb - if you aren't in the room, turn the light off. All outdoor security lights are LED bulbs. I actually turn off the water in the shower while I lather up.

We do have an irrigation system - small yard - but we've had that for more than a dozen years. The water bill that is now equal to a mortgage payment used to run about $90/quarter not that many years ago.

As for the electric bill, I can't even discuss that without going in to a profanity laced tirade.

posted by Foodie on Jul 24, 2016 at 09:23:36 am     #   1 person liked this

Foodie is that $425 for first energy just this last month?! My most recent bill was $130 and we have 3 air conditioners running 24-7...

posted by upso on Jul 24, 2016 at 10:34:50 am     #  

Wow, those bills are steep. Our water for a two person household with no lawn last quarter was $165. You may want to check if there are any leaks like an outdoor faucet or toilet that is over-filling. Our last electric was $177, which is higher than normal. That's with a lot of electronics and the central air running 24/7. We added a second air conditioner upstairs that I'm sure guzzles electricity. Do you think any older, lower efficiency appliances may be contributing? Ovens also use a lot of power.

posted by mixman on Jul 24, 2016 at 10:43:27 am     #  

upso posted at 11:34:50 AM on Jul 24, 2016:

Foodie is that $425 for first energy just this last month?! My most recent bill was $130 and we have 3 air conditioners running 24-7...

Yep. Just this past month - without the scorcher week we've just had. Can't freaking wait until the next bill.

posted by Foodie on Jul 24, 2016 at 11:48:19 am     #  

mixman posted at 11:43:27 AM on Jul 24, 2016:

Wow, those bills are steep. Our water for a two person household with no lawn last quarter was $165. You may want to check if there are any leaks like an outdoor faucet or toilet that is over-filling. Our last electric was $177, which is higher than normal. That's with a lot of electronics and the central air running 24/7. We added a second air conditioner upstairs that I'm sure guzzles electricity. Do you think any older, lower efficiency appliances may be contributing? Ovens also use a lot of power.

HVAC system is top of the line, ultra high efficiency Lennox system; range is dual fuel - gas cooktop, electric oven. In the summer, I rarely use the oven. Frig is Energy Star rated.
Anywhere water could possibly be leaking/running has been checked.
Now, we do keep the house cool - 72 - which no doubt is a big contributor but even in the winter (gas heat), the electric bill is above $200/month.

posted by Foodie on Jul 24, 2016 at 11:57:24 am     #  

The treally sounds like a bad reading.

posted by upso on Jul 24, 2016 at 12:38:54 pm     #  

Haven't checked the electric meter yet but I did check the water meter and it matches the reading on the bill.

posted by Foodie on Jul 24, 2016 at 02:49:15 pm     #  

Check to see how often Edison is estimating your consumption. They typically estimate mine at least 5-6 months out of the year, sometimes 2-3 months in a row. Tends to really skew my monthly consumption rates so I'm on the equal payment plan to offset this.

posted by MsArcher on Jul 24, 2016 at 04:08:24 pm     #  

We are also on the monthly "budget" plan which is $254/month. Regardless, $425/month just seems ridiculous.

Then again, we were promised that "under my plan, utility rates will necessarily skyrocket."

posted by Foodie on Jul 25, 2016 at 07:47:23 am     #  

Yipe!!!
We live just outside of Tampa. 3bd 2 bath CB ranch style on 1 acre.Yearly property tax-$886. Monthly water $22. We have septic. Just had a new drain field installed $3500 so good for my lifetime. Whole house electric including central air and heat. Our last electric bill was $225.45 with the AC running like hell. It has been in the 90's for weeks. We have no state income tax, no county income tax. We live in the county so no city taxes. Our roads are as smooth as a baby's ass. No or very few potholes. Is it paradise? No. We still have our problems. But nothing like you folks are suffering through. The wife still wants to move back to Toledo when we retire. I would have to buy a $6000 crack shack fixer upper off of Craigslist to afford to move home.

posted by Wydowmaker on Jul 25, 2016 at 11:40:31 am     #