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"Toledo Deserves A Great Newspaper"

This just popped up on FB, featuring Toledo Talk's own Nolan!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Toledo-Deserves-A-Great-Newspaper/1586709614908842

created by nits on Mar 22, 2015 at 04:38:13 pm     Local-Politics     Comments: 37

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Can of worms. Opened!

posted by TrilbyGuy on Mar 22, 2015 at 04:59:40 pm     #  

Wow! You don't bite the hand that feeds you. I have seen this so many times over the years that a employee has become a pain in the a** to the boss and they end up without a job, and a reputation in the industry as a trouble maker. Bad move.

posted by OldTimer on Mar 22, 2015 at 06:01:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

Why is this in /p/?

And good luck in your future endeavors, Nolan!

posted by Ace_Face on Mar 22, 2015 at 08:45:21 pm     #  

" I have seen this so many times over the years that a employee has become a pain in the a** to the boss and they end up without a job ..."

Nolan is the guild president. I doubt that he's working alone.

http://www.toledoguild.org

We represent nearly 200 employees in the editorial, circulation, advertising, information systems and finance departments of The Blade

For a while now, the "Fair Contracts" sign has been the background image on Ignazio Messina's Twitter feed.

Taylor Dungjen uses the image on her Twitter feed. So does Vanessa McCray.

It's not one person. It's one guild.

posted by jr on Mar 22, 2015 at 09:13:04 pm     #   4 people liked this

He's right, but we've never had a great newspaper.

posted by bucknut on Mar 22, 2015 at 09:29:05 pm     #   1 person liked this

Why do newsroom employees feel the need to have a sign that says "no union busting."

As surely as the Blade vociferously derided SB5 and that horrible Mike Bell (and John Kasich) for supporting such a terrible idea, I'm sure they will be more than reasonable in their negotiations with their own union. Busting a union...<guffaw>

Newspaper employees: so hostile a position to take early on! I mean...really...is that necessary? JRB seems like a lovely man, concerned about everyone's welfare. You dare insult the great Oz???

It's not like the Blade just outsourced printing to......

...oh, ummm....well, you know.....

Well anyways--the Blade editors always do a fine job of telling GM and other heavily unionized corporations just exactly how to run things when there's labor trouble in those spots. You know, they may have a point--and I'm sure the employees can look up all the editorial board's stances when it comes to contract negotiations. From my recall, it always seems to be that the evil corporate masters are a bunch of tightwads willing to crush the working man in those cases. Putting profits before people. I'm sure the Blade would NEVER want to crush you treasured employees, so no worries....

Right?

posted by oldhometown on Mar 23, 2015 at 03:09:43 am     #   3 people liked this

1934 called, excited that newspapers and unions are both still so relevant for so many people. In Toledo.

posted by justread on Mar 23, 2015 at 04:13:19 am     #   8 people liked this

but without the newspapers, what are people going to do with their idle hands instead of the crossword puzzles? And without unions, who's going to keep negotiating higher pay and benefits based on companies profits and not actual workers training, skill, or ability?

posted by hockeyfan on Mar 23, 2015 at 04:21:00 am     #   4 people liked this

I like to watch the video with the sound off and pretend he is upset about the Blade having no gym, tanning, or laundry. Probably just me.

posted by justread on Mar 24, 2015 at 05:54:10 am     #  

Or barber.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Mar 24, 2015 at 06:16:24 am     #   7 people liked this

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posted by jr on Mar 24, 2015 at 06:42:36 am     #  

bladeguild on March 19: Day after company rejects fair contract proposal, top manager living it up at Toledo Club for lunch.

First of all, nice class warfare shenanigans. As fair as management crying "union thugs!" If you want sympathy from the public, which you claim you do, take a position that we can sympathize with. You are not the French peasants, and management is not Marie Antoinette.

Second of all, lunch at the Toledo Club is not "living it up." Can't think of anyplace I'd rather eat lunch less. Institutional chicken to a captive audience is not "living it up."

posted by justread on Mar 24, 2015 at 09:34:34 am     #   6 people liked this

Well said justread.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 24, 2015 at 10:34:02 am     #  

But........but......class warfare works soooooooooo well on the small, petty minded among us.

posted by Foodie on Mar 24, 2015 at 10:42:46 am     #  

justread posted at 10:34:34 AM on Mar 24, 2015:

bladeguild on March 19: Day after company rejects fair contract proposal, top manager living it up at Toledo Club for lunch.

First of all, nice class warfare shenanigans. As fair as management crying "union thugs!" If you want sympathy from the public, which you claim you do, take a position that we can sympathize with. You are not the French peasants, and management is not Marie Antoinette.

Second of all, lunch at the Toledo Club is not "living it up." Can't think of anyplace I'd rather eat lunch less. Institutional chicken to a captive audience is not "living it up."

While the words and snark level were perhaps ill-advised with Guild tweet, the real issue is there's redundant management at the top, and the vast majority of those managers could not perform union-assigned duties---meaning all the important shit that actually gets the paper/website/E-product out---if a proverbial gun was held to their heads.
Four meetings a day talking in a circular motion really doesn't get it done for a business that's bleeding green.
The unions have had significant job losses covering a period of more than six years. Management? Ehhhhhh, not so much...
There's some 'class warfare' for ya...

posted by McCaskey on Mar 24, 2015 at 11:36:09 am     #   1 person liked this

Ok, so the premise is that unions and management must suffer job losses at a 1:1 ratio in a privately held company in order for there not to be "class warfare"?

That isn't how this works.

That isn't how any of this works.

posted by justread on Mar 24, 2015 at 12:02:50 pm     #   1 person liked this

Cool. Forget 'job losses'.

How about 'contractual concessions'? Which, I concede (see what I did there?) is the issue pertinent to the thread.

Unions: givebacks going back to at least 2004, increasing in significance and volume as per wages, vacation time, sick time, pension, other variables with each contract.

Management: perhaps paying more for healthcare, and possible reduction country-club memberships. If other aspects like salary, paid time off, whatever else has been affected, anyone please enlighten.

I mean, hope that's not too snarky, but if the discussion is about how 'this works'...given the drop in everything numbers-wise there, not much is 'working' with the people making--and getting paid to make--the big decisions.

posted by McCaskey on Mar 24, 2015 at 12:37:55 pm     #  

No opinion on the Blade situation, but I'm non-union at a publicly traded company. Over the past several years I've had furloughs, wage freezes and reduction in benefits, while paying significantly more for said reduced benefits. I've also recently been informed I'm being laid off and replaced by contractors. Can I call these "give backs" and "concessions" so I can then demand an eye for an eye from my employer?

Sometimes working life is just a huge crap sandwich that we all have to take a bite from--even unions.

posted by JoeyGee on Mar 24, 2015 at 01:08:39 pm     #   2 people liked this

I suppose this would make more sense to me if I would just go ahead and blame the Blade managers for the contraction of the newspaper industry and the gross overestimation of journalist salaries by apparently every university in the nation.

It's a privately held company. If that privately held company decides that the best way to make connections with other leaders and decision makers is to provide club memberships for certain key personnel, does that mean the private company now "owes" each member of the rank and file a commensurate pay increase?

Of course not. Because those entrusted with making the decisions in an organization better dam well know that "fair" does not always mean "equal."

Ironically, labor often successfully pollutes the dialogue about what is appropriate compensation for a particular job classification with a comparison of what is "fair" and "equal" with those well outside that job classification. Funny, considering how long and hard unions have fought to protect the subtle distinctions between one job classification and another.
If collective bargaining is not fundamentally flawed at the core, labor should stop comparing and contrasting themselves with management. These are two very different job classifications.

posted by justread on Mar 24, 2015 at 01:12:30 pm     #   6 people liked this

If we just paid everybody $1,000,000 per year, and let them choose between sweeping the floors and being responsible for leading the organization, we'd have nothing but millionaires and clean floors.

posted by justread on Mar 24, 2015 at 01:20:31 pm     #   4 people liked this

justread posted at 02:20:31 PM on Mar 24, 2015:

If we just paid everybody $1,000,000 per year, and let them choose between sweeping the floors and being responsible for leading the organization, we'd have nothing but millionaires and clean floors.

That's funny and clever and will get you 'likes'. Here, let me be the first...
There we go.
But it has no more relevancy than that newspaper union tweet about management eating rubber chicken at the Toledo Club.
Seems that Blade unions have tried to help that privately-held company stem the bleeding by taking less.
Not working evidently, so bleed out it will be apparently. It has every right to do so, of course. I know, that's how it's supposed to 'work'...

posted by McCaskey on Mar 24, 2015 at 01:48:13 pm     #   2 people liked this

Ah well, guess the whole paper can be done from Pittsburgh and the results can be shipped in from Sterling Heights. I am sure some will just subscribe to the NY Times.

posted by MIJeff on Mar 24, 2015 at 02:24:09 pm     #  

Yeah, the millionaires and clean floors was half analogy and half joke. But like many jokes, there is a truth in there somewhere.

Seems that Blade unions have tried to help that privately-held company stem the bleeding by taking less.

Not to me. I assume that the unions were well aware that this tactic would never work, and it hasn't. Did it work for the printers? It would be like the International Brotherhood of Horse Shoe Installation Specialists saving the horse and buggy by "taking less" per hour to shoe horses.

posted by justread on Mar 24, 2015 at 02:57:09 pm     #   1 person liked this

Maybe its time to close the doors. The city will survive.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 24, 2015 at 03:16:50 pm     #   2 people liked this

It would be like the International Brotherhood of Horse Shoe Installation Specialists saving the horse and buggy by "taking less" per hour to shoe horses.

Except that, at least from the number of Blade stories cited on TT, people aren't exactly saying we don't need journalism anymore.

posted by Anniecski on Mar 24, 2015 at 04:06:35 pm     #   7 people liked this

We just don't need PAPER journalism anymore. I get better news faster by following the TV stations and a few others on Facebook, I don't even use the e-dition of the Blade. If they want to survive, they need to cut the 'phase-in' period and go all electronic now.

posted by nana on Mar 24, 2015 at 09:36:25 pm     #   1 person liked this

Anniecski posted at 05:06:35 PM on Mar 24, 2015:

It would be like the International Brotherhood of Horse Shoe Installation Specialists saving the horse and buggy by "taking less" per hour to shoe horses.

Except that, at least from the number of Blade stories cited on TT, people aren't exactly saying we don't need journalism anymore.

You may have confused evolution with extinction in my point, which was not to say that transportation ended with the buggy.

posted by justread on Mar 25, 2015 at 05:25:03 am     #  

I get better news faster by following the TV stations and a few others on Facebook

Where do you think they get their news??

posted by Anniecski on Mar 25, 2015 at 09:21:40 am     #   4 people liked this

Um, from what I've seen, they follow leads in person and are on the scene as things happen, like backups on the expressway and fires and river flooding and all manner of things that they know they can't report on the next day!!! From your comment, it appears you think they sit around and read the Blade and THEN go out and cover whatever the Balde said is happening. ???

posted by nana on Mar 25, 2015 at 12:16:58 pm     #   1 person liked this

Ahhhh, perhaps that's just WSPD, the 'news ( barf) traffic and weather station'...

posted by McCaskey on Mar 25, 2015 at 12:26:50 pm     #  

Wow just found this page today, read the section about letter to editor about blades reporting on Port Authority versus what this guy actually found meeting with them.

http://www.toledobiz.com/Files/tbj_editorial_vendetta_index.html

posted by MIJeff on Jun 24, 2015 at 01:55:44 pm     #  

I have been hearing the "rumors" again of BCI moving their corporate offices to Northwood. The former NFO Research building on Oregon Rd to be exact.

posted by Hoops on Jun 25, 2015 at 10:23:52 am     #  

According to some really shoddy research I just hastily did, the blade building is 164,438 sq ft and the NFO building is 152,163.

NFO Building:
Headquarters office building available with I-75 visibility and expansion capability. Built in 1975/1998. Two stories (approximately 21,000 SF on second floor). Two five-passenger elevators. 2,600' of frontage on I-75. 77.81 acres with approximately 20-improved acres and headquarters facility. Surplus acreage has additional frontage to adjacent industrial park. Raised-floor data area with backup diesel emergency generator. Video and key-card security. Partial sprinklers. Heat: gas-fired hot-water and boiler system with radiated heat to perimeter offices. Cooling: chilled water-cooling system with a total capacity of approximately 400 tons, included humidity-control system. Parking: approximately 470 asphalt-paved (3.09/1,000 SF). Beautifully landscaped.

Located minutes from I-75, Ohio Turnpike (I-80/90), Downtown Toledo and Owens Community College. (loopnet)

Blade building:
Built in 1926, the Blade building boasts authentic 90-year old windows which provide indoor precipitation, corresponding with the season. On an excellent corner for picketing. Unused printing press. Be near the action. Walking distance to the 22nd floor. In an up and coming neighborhood. Downside: high utility bills and a lot of orbs. Upside: the zoning would allow its demolition and a historic county courthouse could be moved there.

Makes sense on a lot of levels. I wouldn't blame them.

posted by justread on Jun 25, 2015 at 05:07:55 pm     #   2 people liked this

Forgot the part about put all of BCI in it.

Raze the sheds on Southwyck Blvd.

posted by justread on Jun 25, 2015 at 06:08:21 pm     #  

I guess this is the best place to put this. I know, I'm an idiot... :(

One of my auto-posting robots - that I thought was turned off -posted an outrageous news post last night. I will not get into what the post contained. My robot - again supposed to be turned off - grabbed a tragic news headline from several years ago and added "Our favorite from a few years ago." It called this Throwback Thursday. This was not an intentional post for Toledo Blade's Facebook page. It was an error. I sincerely apologize for this mistake, and sincerely regret any concerns this may have caused The Blade's Facebook audience.

https://www.facebook.com/thetoledoblade/posts/10153964045874606

P.S.

When I discovered the post this morning, I deleted it right away. However, I believe that the post was displayed for 12 hours.

posted by paulhem on Jun 26, 2015 at 12:34:18 pm     #  

Been visiting this site every now and then, and recently I've begun to see the Blade Guild's side of things. Calling the cops on Blade workers meeting at The Blade before the holiday parade seems fairly low.

Time for me to "like" that page.

posted by Muddy on Nov 19, 2015 at 04:21:06 am     #  

Thanks Muddy. Calling the cops was uncalled for but not unexpected.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Nov 19, 2015 at 11:05:49 pm     #