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New Entertainment Districts on the way?

The Ohio House recently passed a proposal that would allow for 2 entertainment districts in cities with at least 50k people where open containers of alcohol could be carried outside in designated half square mile areas. People would have to purchase their drinks at businesses in the designated areas - they could not bring their own. The proposal is now awaiting a vote in the Senate.

created by Mike21 on Apr 21, 2015 at 01:58:11 pm     Comments: 24

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Hopefully Toledo gets this around the ballpark and warehouse district as mentioned earlier.

posted by Hoops on Apr 21, 2015 at 02:14:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

Why does Toledo need more entertainment districts. It turns me off walking around all the drinkers.

posted by deere1 on Apr 21, 2015 at 04:35:27 pm     #   1 person liked this

deere1 posted at 04:35:27 PM on Apr 21, 2015:

Why does Toledo need more entertainment districts. It turns me off walking around all the drinkers.

deere1, if these new outdoor entertainment districts are located in the Warehouse District and Uptown, then you have nothing to worry about.

I never go downtown. Probably haven't in 50 years. It's just not my cup of tea.

posted by deere1 on Jan 06, 2015

posted by jr on Apr 21, 2015 at 05:15:49 pm     #   11 people liked this

Later alligator!

posted by toledolen_ on Apr 21, 2015 at 09:31:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

I work downtown and live in the Warehouse district and would love to see this materialize. It will encourage more bars and restaurants to open in this area, thus providing more places to eat at during the week. Could also mean that a convenience store or other non-alcohol related businesses could open as well. It will also force all the bars to keep their prices competitive.

I like it because it will mean more security and police presence in the area as well.

All my neighbors except one are in favor of it if it's handled correctly. A lot of the naysayers on this don't even live in Toledo, let alone the Warehouse district.

posted by classylady on Apr 22, 2015 at 10:37:26 am     #   6 people liked this

As a warehouse resident I am concerned about the amount of liter this may generate. Hopefully if it passes more trash / recycling receptacles would be installed.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Apr 22, 2015 at 11:56:54 am     #   1 person liked this

deere1 posted at 04:35:27 PM on Apr 21, 2015:

Why does Toledo need more entertainment districts. It turns me off walking around all the drinkers.

I'm confused. Does Toledo have ANY open container entertainment districts?

posted by mom2 on Apr 22, 2015 at 12:41:49 pm     #  

Open container is not allowed under the current law. The warehouse district us an entertainment district. Currently that just means additional liquor permits are allowed per capita.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Apr 22, 2015 at 01:59:08 pm     #  

I hope the open container law passes, but I doubt it will. There are far too many idiots in State government for the great unwashed to have any real hope of progress.

Still, if it did pass, it would mean a whole new outlook for the warehouse district. During the winter the district would be dead as an abandoned graveyard, but given anything over 55 degrees the place would come to life in a New York minute.

Legalize marijuana and the government could pay off its' debt generously fund all the social programs in the State and have a few bucks left over. Imagine being able to go downtown, have a nice dinner, then get a little tipsy and walk around listening to street musicians and stopping at one jazz club after another... now that's living.

Of course it'll never happen, because then we might have a labor shortage and be able to get the streets fixed and all kinds of other neat stuff.

posted by madjack on Apr 22, 2015 at 04:34:25 pm     #  

I don't see the appeal. Nothing you just described, Jack, would be precluded by the current law - which is basically - finish your drink, tip your server, and make your way to the next establishment.
Who among us has refused to venture to the streets to enjoy musicians and shopping because we can't have a drink while we do it?
Walk from Ye Olde Durty Bird to the Black Cloister without a Sapphire and tonic in my hand? What is this, North Korea?

posted by Progress22 on Apr 22, 2015 at 06:51:08 pm     #  

Smokers will definitely enjoy the new law as well as establishments that don't have patios and food truck operators. I'm sure benches and small tables with chairs will pop up on the sidewalks in front of many places.

posted by Mike21 on Apr 22, 2015 at 07:11:40 pm     #  

"... Nothing you just described, Jack, would be precluded by the current law ..."

But current law probably frowns upon walking around with a beer hat, which I assume would be perfectly fine to wear in an outdoor refreshment zone. No matter how short the walk, a person needs to stay hydrated with a diuretic beverage, especially on a warm, summer evening. In the winter time, such as today, April 22 with our early evening temps now in the upper 30s, that hat could hold bourbon. Hands free drinking, so a person can text while walking. The new entertainment district law is an example of government finally catching up with technology and evolution.

posted by jr on Apr 22, 2015 at 07:31:16 pm     #  

Smokers, establishments that don't have patios and food truck operators will also benefit from the new law if it passes. I'm sure benches, small tables and chairs will pop up in front of many businesses within the new districts.

posted by Mike21 on Apr 23, 2015 at 10:21:23 am     #  

I have lived and worked in the Warehouse District for many years. The issue with this proposed law is that many of the existing establishments (not all) currently do not clean up after their patrons in the areas surrounding their businesses. Walk over to the farmers market on any Saturday morning and you'll see many cups, vomit, napkins, etc. strewn across the sidewalks and gutters. Don't get me started on the cigarette butts either.
I'm am wholeheartedly in favor of improving the attraction of the neighborhood, but a dialogue needs to be opened between the bar owners who will profit immensely and the residents and other business owners (myself included) who are legitimately concerned about increased trash and possible property damage that will come with intoxicated people roaming around from bar to bar, drinks in hand. If the bar owners commit to regularly cleaning up, I don't think there would be too much resistance.

posted by Brewster on Apr 25, 2015 at 09:58:59 am     #   1 person liked this

Brewster- as a resident this is definitely my concern about this I have been to Vegas and seen the amount of empty bottles and glasses left on the street. Yet somehow come 6am they disappear. Unfortunately I don't see Toledo funding this level of cleanup.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Apr 25, 2015 at 10:37:53 am     #   1 person liked this

Having owned a bar for many years, I had to deal with everything that Brewster mentioned. Every day before I opened, I walked the parking lot and picked up countless bottles, cans, fast food wrappers and - after the smoking ban was enacted - began sweeping up cigarette butts. Some irresponsible people will always litter, but a lot of it can be eliminated by the placement of trash receptacles throughout the new districts. Part of doing business is keeping the outside clean - who cleans up in front of the current businesses now? As far as intoxicated people roaming around causing property damage - both are illegal now. You can't serve an intoxicated person, it is illegal to be in public while intoxicated and no one can damage property. I'm sure there will be an increased police presence as well as more agents from the department of liquor control checking the establishments to make sure intoxicated people are not being served. (Yes I know it happens all the time now but a few citations and fines for establishments that violate the law and a few arrests of intoxicated people should diminish the numbers). There will always be naysayers - like the people who said there would be an increase in shootings when Ohio passed the CCW law and that there would be a big upsurge in crime when the casino opened. The overall benefit to the city and the businesses in the new districts far outweighs the misbehavior of the irresponsible few who will always be a problem.

posted by Mike21 on Apr 25, 2015 at 11:00:11 am     #  

Next Tuesday evening, if the weather's good, drive by Wesley's. Been going on for a long time with no problems, disturbances, litter or need of a police presence. And if you see a 1974 Norton Commando 850 Interstate wave hi.

posted by holland on Apr 25, 2015 at 06:44:06 pm     #  

haha

posted by upso on Apr 25, 2015 at 06:57:54 pm     #  

The governor signed the bill so now it is law. They have to determine where the two (if they designate two) districts will be in Toledo. One will likely be near the ballpark but the location of the second one not so sure - Uptown? Maybe near the Seagate Center? Around Promenade Park for more Rallies by the River?

posted by Mike21 on May 01, 2015 at 11:00:15 am     #  

Who does the determination?

posted by endcycle on May 01, 2015 at 11:29:52 am     #  

Who does the determination?

posted by endcycle on May 01, 2015 at 11:29:54 am     #  

http://downtowntoledo.org/dora/

posted by sunshine on Jun 15, 2017 at 02:54:38 pm     #  

If the rain holds off the art loop could be more interesting tonight:) It will be nice for people visiting the art loop to have dinner and grab a cocktail to go. Hopefully the business owners won't have an issue with people bringing cocktails into their business (sounds like the law only prohibits drinks from going into other establishments with a liquor license).

As someone that lives in that area, I am glad that the cut off time is midnight. I had some concerns that there would be people drinking and having loud conversations outside my window late at night as they approached the end of the district.

My other concern is that people will be responsible and dispose of their cups and trash. I don't want to be walking to the farmer's market on Saturday or church on Sunday to be greeted by a bunch of trash in front of my place.

posted by classylady on Jun 15, 2017 at 04:11:21 pm     #  

I have low expectations for the open container zones. I foresee this: so many restriction will be in place, bars and their customers will hardly take advantage of it and no real benefit will be realized.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jun 15, 2017 at 04:30:25 pm     #  

It's been going pretty darn well in UpTown for the past year. It's a slower paced chunk of town, and restricted to a single street, which probably make it easier to work with, but I don't see any reason the same shouldn't be expected for the DORA. Eddy B's new window-service place should be a cool addition to the area, and will hopefully show other establishments how to think outside the box for this kind of stuff.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 15, 2017 at 05:22:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

It's a start. If they're going for the Bourbon Street / Vegas Strip feel, there's definitely a way to go. My suggestions: ditch the cup tax. Plastic cups cost about 5 cents each and nobody wants to pay an extra buck to take their drink outside. The owners / organizers should eat this cost for the sake of generating customers and revenue.

Have the hours coincide with bar hours: 11a-2a. If people get too rowdy then dial it back. Many bars don't get busy until 10pm. People should be free to mill about during peak hours. If it's too hard for employees to keep track of hours, they shouldn't be in a job that involves math.

Encourage participation by offering walk-up service. An episode of Bar Rescue showed how a bar on Bourbon Street increased business by extending their indoor bar to the front sidewalk and adding walk-up window service. That would probably work best seasonally here, but could be added to a patio like The Attic's or the front of a place like Wesley's.

posted by mixman on Jun 15, 2017 at 09:13:57 pm     #   3 people liked this

Does anyone know how the $1 "tax" per cup works? Does the money go to the state or city? Do the bars buy the cups upfront from the city?

I don't have a problem with the "tax" if it goes back the actual neighborhood the district is in to pay for things like clean up and added security.

I'd like to see the hours increased until 1. As a resident that lives in that district I don't want to see the hours extended until 2 due to the issues of noise.

posted by classylady on Jun 19, 2017 at 10:35:47 am     #  

I'm not positive on this point, but I'm pretty sure that $1 is just to be used among the participating DORA members, to cover costs of the cup, of having staff maintain the areas outside their establishments, of the new trash cans, etc. In other words, not an actual "tax," but a fee to cover the expenses of the DORA itself.

And as for the noon-midnight timeframe, I was confused why they'd cut it off that early in the evening as well.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 19, 2017 at 10:44:40 am     #  

How long until one of these boozers get so sloshed that they step out in front of traffic? Hopefully there will be a police officer with a radar gun around at the time.

posted by kritter on Jun 21, 2017 at 01:53:36 am     #  

kritter posted at 01:53:36 AM on Jun 21, 2017:

How long until one of these boozers get so sloshed that they step out in front of traffic? Hopefully there will be a police officer with a radar gun around at the time.

Teetotaling at 2am...

posted by ahmahler on Jun 21, 2017 at 07:44:07 am     #  

Does anyone else feel like they lose brain cells every time they have to read a Kritter post?

posted by endcycle on Jun 21, 2017 at 09:26:46 am     #   7 people liked this

Naw not since we don't have Richard Milhouse to kick around anymore.

posted by Mariner on Jun 21, 2017 at 09:58:48 am     #   1 person liked this