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TOO MUCH RAIN

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I think LZ provides some practical info.

  • If it keeps on rainin', Levee is gonna to break
  • Cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good
  • When the Levee breaks, mama, you got to move
  • Going to Chicago


As of 5:40 p.m., my rain gauge has recorded 2.90 inches of rainfall for the day in West Toledo.

The Toledo area may have some issues.


Toledo Express Airport weather at about 5:00 p.m.

Jun 27, 2015 4:52 pm
Weather : Rain Fog/Mist and Breezy
Temperature : 58 F
Humidity : 97%
Wind Speed : NNW 23 mph - Gust 39 mph
Barometer : 29.70 in
Dewpoint: 57 F
Visibility : 1.75 statute miles


Many Toledo streets were flooded and some were closed.


The heavy rain and strong winds have brought down trees and branches, causing some power outages.

Affected Customers: 5,458
Last Updated: Jun 27, 5:26 PM


Moderate-to-heavy rain should continue for a while yet. It seems to be spiraling over Toledo and moving very, very slowly.


This storm makes sense in November, but in late June, that's out there. One for the books.

posted by jr on Jun 27, 2015 at 05:02:46 pm     #  

This is the most number of statements, advisories, watches, and warnings that I have seen in effect at the same time for Lucas County.

Toledo Area Weather Messages - 2015-06-27T22:11:06Z - (as of 6:11 p.m. EDT)

  • Flood Warning - Maumee River At Waterville - 2015-06-27T18:02:00-04:00
  • Special Weather Statement - 2015-06-27T16:27:00-04:00
  • Lakeshore Flood Warning - 2015-06-27T16:11:00-04:00
  • Beach Hazards Statement - 2015-06-27T16:11:00-04:00
  • Flood Watch - 2015-06-27T15:46:00-04:00
  • Flood Warning - urban areas and small streams in Lucas and Wood counties - 2015-06-27T15:42:00-04:00
  • Flood Advisory - 2015-06-27T14:01:00-04:00
  • Hazardous Weather Outlook - 2015-06-27T22:11:06Z

posted by jr on Jun 27, 2015 at 05:26:43 pm     #  

The number of power outages have increased late this afternoon.

Affected Customers: 8,285
Last Updated: Jun 27, 6:39 PM


Below is an image snapshot of the HTML version of the Lucas County weather alerts page. Here's the atom feed.

posted by jr on Jun 27, 2015 at 05:49:57 pm     #  

Yes CCR. I have seen the rain. And I'm impressed.

posted by slowsol on Jun 27, 2015 at 08:03:09 pm     #  

8 1/2 inches in our basement in the lewis/Laskey area. Water really hasn't gone down even with 2 pumps working on it.

posted by WestToledoan on Jun 27, 2015 at 08:13:34 pm     #  

I'm between Millbury and Walbridge and I just kept walking from window to window all day, taking pictures and saying things like, 'Unbelievable!', and watching the ponds in my yard creep closer to the house by the minute. No water in the basement yet, thanks to 2 new sump pumps. Not the biggest problem in the world by far, but we're gonna lose a LOT of grass. :(

posted by nana on Jun 27, 2015 at 09:31:56 pm     #  

Rain gauge here near Alexis/Talmadge is over 5" at 6:45pm. Probably over 6" by now at 10:45pm. The flowers in my window boxes are all over the ground :( Not the end of the world, but dang.

posted by MsUnderstood on Jun 27, 2015 at 09:45:49 pm     #  

We used to flood on a regular basis almost every spring till the lake levels fell back in the early 80's. This is the highest the water has risen since then, strong NE wind and rain had water out of the ditch and over our driveway. Thankfully the wind has changed direction and it has gone down about 6". I assume it will be down about another foot by morning and worry about being flooded will go away.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 27, 2015 at 09:49:12 pm     #  

As of 10:00 p.m., 3.82 inches of rain has fallen at our home today. Most of the heavier rain has passed. We may have some light rain for a while.

It appears that the counties of Lucas, Fulton, Wood, and Lenawee received the bulk of the rainfall from this system.

According to the radar estimate rainfall map, it appears that southwest Lucas County and northwest Wood County may have received the most rainfall.

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First Energy outages map

Affected Customers: 6,961
Last Updated: Jun 27, 10:21 PM


Blade story road closings

District 2 ODOT road closings

  • Lucas County:
    • Reynolds Rd. from 900 South Reynolds to Angola
    • South Detroit between Airport and South
    • Outbound Anthony Wayne Trail at Copland
  • Fulton County:
    • U.S. 20A east of Delta
    • U.S. 20 near C.R. 7
  • Henry County:
    • S.R. 109 in Hamler
  • Ottawa County:
    • S.R. 19 by Toussaint Road
    • S.R. 2 near Thompson Road
    • S.R. 53 near the Miller Ferry Dock
    • S.R. 163 near Marblehead Park


Blade story

"Madison Street in downtown Port clinton is underwater Saturday afternoon."


At 10:24 p.m., the Cle NWS issued yet another flood warning. This one is for the Maumee River at Grand Rapids.

The National Weather Service in Cleveland has issued a

  • Flood warning for the Maumee River Near Grand Rapids
  • From late tonight until Monday morning
  • Flood stage is 17.5 feet
  • the river is forecast to reach flood stage around 4am sunday and crest near 18.4 feet sunday afternoon.
  • At 18.5 feet ... the 100 year flood level. Mary Jane Thursten State Park Campground is inundated. Homes in Wood County cut off from emergency access. Portions of route 24 and the metropark facilities are inundated.

posted by jr on Jun 27, 2015 at 09:57:22 pm     #  

So apparently I brought the heavy rain...my bad.

posted by JustaSooner on Jun 27, 2015 at 10:04:42 pm     #  

this is insane. sending positive vibes to everyone affected

posted by upso on Jun 27, 2015 at 10:25:25 pm     #  

The gales of November came really early. On Saturday, Lake Erie tried to reclaim some of her former marsh land. It looked rough along the shoreline.

It looked rough well inland too. Multiple types of flooding, along with power outages and damage caused by falling trees and branches.


Sat, Jun 27, 2015 info and images via https://twitter.com/ryan_wichman


https://twitter.com/Travis_Ardner/status/614838217452425216

Look out my front door right now!

Bascom, Ohio, located in Seneca County.


https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/614979458769010689

Officially 3.44" of rain today in Toledo. Beats out the old record of 3.41" for wettest June day in Toledo history. 140+ years of records.


Some peopled tagged their posts with #TropicalStormToledo.

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/614966266961494016

For all those wondering...this will be the closest thing you will ever experience to a true tropical storm ever in northwest Ohio/SE MI.

Based upon of the very slow movement of Saturday's low pressure system through northern Ohio and the persistent strong wind gusts of 30 to 40 mph and heavy rains for approximately 18 hours, the above tropical storm reference probably makes sense.

But in September 2008, the remnants of Hurricane Ike blitzed through Ohio, including the Toledo area. That system caused a lot of damage in southwest Ohio. It produced strong winds and some rain in northwest Ohio, but it moved through our area super fast.

Hurricane-force wind gusts were reported to the east of the center across parts of Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania with significant wind damage including structural damage to buildings and trees.

Sep 14, 2008 Blade story about Ike remnants moving through our area.

Crews throughout northwest Ohio and southeast Michigan are cleaning up after strong winds hit the area Sunday afternoon. The remnants of Hurricane Ike, now a tropical depression, whipped through the region with wind speeds as high as 69 mph in Tiffin and 65 mph in Findlay. Gusts downed tree limbs and power lines across the area. ... most of the real heavy rain stayed to the west, but we ended up with the wind ...

Oh, the Blizzard of '78 was also called a White Hurricane, but that was snow, so it doesn't count.


Back to Sat, Jun 27.

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/614814732864876544

6-10 foot waves likely on Lake Erie today. Some up to 12' possible. Major swells for the shallow western basin.

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/614815513756192769

Wave height of 8' being reported by just offshore of Oregon, OH on Lake Erie. Extreme for western basin.

That's not unusual for the fall. It's bizarre for late June.

A gale warning for the western basin of Lake Erie generally produces forecast waves in the 5- to 10-foot range. A storm warning would produce waves over 12 feet.

Waves get larger in the central and eastern basins of Lake Erie. Here's a Lake Erie forecast from November 2013 for the central and eastern basins.

west gales to 40 knots decreasing to 35 knots. mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers. waves 12 to 16 feet.

A Lake Erie forecast from late October 2012 that I think was for areas east of the islands.

storm warning in effect through tuesday morning... .tonight... north gales to 45 knots becoming northwest storm force winds to 50 knots. rain. waves building to 17 to 22 feet.


Jun 27, 2015 continued.

https://twitter.com/JordanStrack/status/614948489156538368

Oregon Fire Department is giving out sandbags to help with flooding.


https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/614869184422506497

Western Lake Erie as seen from Luna Pier, MI this afternoon.


https://twitter.com/blb739/status/614864680121729024

Bayshore Rd. Marblehead


https://twitter.com/JaceyFaneuff/status/614870153151520768

Perks of living on the lake.


https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/614853594857250817

Tree fell through a house in Oregon, OH due to strong winds this afternoon. Everyone was okay


https://twitter.com/nathansteinmetz/status/614841564066676737

tree snapped right in front of us across Louisiana in downtown Perrysburg. Missed a car by a foot.


https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/614919731410284544

Report of 6" of rain today in Hamler, OH.

Main Street in Hamler, located in southern Henry County.


https://twitter.com/TechnoDilbert/status/614927233480826880

about a foot+ deep in front of my house on W. Northgate [Toledo]. Much deeper to the west here. 3 cars stranded.


When Lake Erie growls, some people go out and enjoy it. Can't waste good freaky weather for late June. This had to be fun, especially since the Lake Erie water temp off Toledo is 70 degrees.

https://twitter.com/jim_lorenzen/status/614840790519562240

watched these guys at Maumee Bay.

posted by jr on Jun 28, 2015 at 12:31:11 am     #  

Thanks for the pics and info JR. I've lived here 35 years and don't think I ever recall it raining that much for that long. I got water in my basement for the first time since I lived in my house. (30 years). It was manageable, kept putting towels down, but not a good sign.
Once water finds its way to the basement, it seems like it will be an ongoing thing anytime it rains for a while.

posted by reggie on Jun 28, 2015 at 05:55:57 am     #  

We never lost power and didn't get but a tiny amt of water in the basement, but the guy next door started sucking the water out of his basement with a shop vac about 12:30 am. We heard him and The Hub went over to offer our extra sump pump but he can't use it, no sumps! Reggie, I've lived here 64 years and I've never seen rain like that and more is coming!

posted by nana on Jun 28, 2015 at 09:19:24 am     #  

From this morning's Hazardous Weather Outlook:

another round of rain will move through the area monday afternoon and night. most areas will see between a quarter and three quarters of an inch of rain but locally higher amounts are possible.

given the saturated soil across the area...water will run-off and could lead to minor flooding or aggravate existing flooding. scattered thunderstorms are expected on tuesday.


a few more tweets and photos

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/615154816566849537

Oregon, OH flooding this morning.


https://twitter.com/Abby_Batchh/status/615149546704871425

Somewhere in the area.


NWS statements about local rivers.

The flood warning continues for The Maumee River At Waterville.

  • At 6:00 AM Sunday the stage was 12.5 feet.
  • Flood stage is 11.0 feet.
  • Minor Flooding is occurring and Minor flooding is forecast.
  • Forecast...the river will rise to near 14.2 feet by this afternoon. Additional rises are possible thereafter.
  • At 14.0 feet...Residences along the river may experience basement flooding.
  • At 13.0 feet...Floodwaters can back up through storm drains onto Water Street in Waterville making roads inaccessible.


The flood warning continues for The Maumee River Near Grand Rapids.

  • Flood stage is 17.5 feet.
  • Forecast...the river is forecast to have a maximum value of 19.3 feet this morning.
  • At 19.5 feet...Front Street inundated. Numerous farm fields and parking lots flooded. Businesses threatened in Grand Rapids.
  • At 18.5 feet...100 year flood level. Mary Jane Thursten State Park Campground inundated. Homes in Wood County cut off from emergency access. Portions of route 24 inundated. The metropark facilities inundated.


A flood warning for urban areas and small streams remains in effect until 3:45 p.m. today for Wood and Lucas counties.

posted by jr on Jun 28, 2015 at 09:42:32 am     #  

I sure hope the wind doesn't go back to NNE or ENE anytime soon.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 28, 2015 at 10:10:42 am     #  

Well, we discovered that our sump pump is dead. :/

posted by endcycle on Jun 28, 2015 at 01:23:59 pm     #  

Well, we discovered that our sump pump is dead. :/

posted by endcycle on Jun 28, 2015 at 01:23:59 pm     #  

That sucks big time

posted by MIJeff on Jun 28, 2015 at 02:58:34 pm     #  

First time I have had water in my Oregon home. Checked it Saturday night around 8 pm, but Come Sunday morning the story was totally different !!! Ouch !! Lots of items were destroyed, still more clean-up due.

posted by Hoops on Jun 29, 2015 at 07:31:45 am     #  

New concrete work is the only thing that saved us (West Toledo), otherwise we would have had a lake in the basement (previous incidents have proven). Just a little bit of water in one corner where the dirt is low in a flower bed that I'll correct.

My folks in Shoreland, that's a different story. Flooded backyard, flooded building in back, potentially lost their pool (inground), water in the house. Measured over 4.5" I believe at their place.

posted by webrioter on Jun 29, 2015 at 08:37:22 am     #  

According to this morning's flood warning statement for the Maumee River at Grand Rapids, the river has exceeded the 100-year level at that location.

1046 am edt mon jun 29 2015

the flood warning continues for the maumee river near grand rapids.

  • at 7:15 am monday the stage was 18.9 feet.
  • flood stage is 17.5 feet.
  • moderate flooding is occurring and moderate flooding is forecast.
  • at 11.0 feet... the river level is hazardous to [recreational] users.
  • at 12.0 feet... bankfull stage.
  • at 15.0 feet... the metropark in grand rapids floods and the park service road inundated.
  • at 16.5 feet... low lying land near grand rapids floods.
  • at 17.5 feet... flood waters inundate grand rapids road cutting off access to a few homes. mill street access on the east end of front street flooded. route 24 threatened by rising flood waters. water can back up through storm drains causing flooding on the south side of grand rapids.
  • at 18.0 feet... water starts to cover front street just west of the grand rapids business district over portions of beaver, west, and mill streets. campgrounds along the river are under water.
  • at 18.5 feet... 100 year flood level. mary jane thursten state park campground inundated. homes in wood county cut off from emergency access. portions of route 24 inundated. the metropark facilities inundated.
  • at 19.5 feet... front street inundated. numerous farm fields and parking lots flooded. businesses threatened in grand rapids.
  • at 20.0 feet... 500 year flood level. the dike protecting grand rapids is overtopped and several businesses inundated. water threatens the railroad bridge upstream where it crosses wapakoneta road.

posted by jr on Jun 29, 2015 at 12:40:58 pm     #  

Some of the Perrysburg docks broke loose this morning and the Coast Guard was doing a roundup of a couple clusters of boats.

posted by justread on Jun 29, 2015 at 01:22:42 pm     #  

After 27 years of a super dry basement, our luck ran out Saturday evening. About a half foot of water gushed in. Well over 2 feet of water in the street in front of the house that didn't recede until after 5 am Sunday. However, our hearts went out to many in our neighborhood who got hit far worse. We saw a number of homes with what appeared to be the entire contents of their homes stacked at the curb yesterday.
I hope they all had good insurance agents - and bought the recommended coverage. I see way too many folks who want the McMansion but aren't willing to purchase the proper insurance to cover it.

posted by Foodie on Jun 29, 2015 at 02:20:52 pm     #  

Forgot to mention - while I don't have a rain gauge, judging from the amount of water I had to drain off the pool, we got nearly 6" of rain in the Point.

posted by Foodie on Jun 29, 2015 at 02:23:16 pm     #  

Foodie posted at 03:20:52 PM on Jun 29, 2015:

After 27 years of a super dry basement, our luck ran out Saturday evening. About a half foot of water gushed in. Well over 2 feet of water in the street in front of the house that didn't recede until after 5 am Sunday. However, our hearts went out to many in our neighborhood who got hit far worse. We saw a number of homes with what appeared to be the entire contents of their homes stacked at the curb yesterday.
I hope they all had good insurance agents - and bought the recommended coverage. I see way too many folks who want the McMansion but aren't willing to purchase the proper insurance to cover it.

Of the 7 houses in our little 'pod' on Pemberville, we were the only ones who did not get water in the basement. We have 2 sump pumps, but 4 of the other 6 do not have even 1. The house to our right just spent $10,000 on his foundation and floor to try to keep the water out, but the storm sewer backed up and they couldn't stop it or pump it out fast enough. Everyone else got 4-5 feet of storm sewer water and 3 of them will be replacing at least washers and dryers, possibly furnaces. :(

posted by nana on Jun 29, 2015 at 07:07:36 pm     #  

Time to put the one way valves in the drains.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 29, 2015 at 07:49:28 pm     #  

Or a stand pipe.

posted by BleacherBum on Jun 29, 2015 at 09:09:53 pm     #  

Jun 29, 2015 City of Toledo Facebook post

Here is a map generated of where most of our calls (water in the basement) came from this weekend.

posted by jr on Jun 29, 2015 at 09:43:45 pm     #  

10:20 p.m., Mon, Jun 29, 2015 NWS statement about the Maumee River at Grand Rapids:

The flood warning continues for The Maumee River Near Grand Rapids.
  • At 8:00 PM Monday the stage was 19.2 feet.
  • Flood stage is 17.5 feet.
  • Moderate Flooding is occurring and Moderate flooding is forecast.
  • Forecast... the river will fall to below flood stage by Wednesday
    morning.
  • At 20.0 feet... 500 year flood level. The dike protecting Grand Rapids is overtopped and several businesses inundated. Water threatens the railroad bridge upstream where it crosses Wapakoneta Road.

Fortunately, the forecast rainfall of 0.50 to 1.00 in. did not occur on Monday and Monday night.

posted by jr on Jun 29, 2015 at 09:52:00 pm     #  

Forwarding this on...

"Mayor Paula Hicks-Hudson has requested Republic Services to provide bulk pick for residents that have been a victim of this recent rainstorm. Every resident affected by this storm should call Republic Services at (419) 936-2511. Republic Services will extend the second quarterly bulk pick up beginning July 1st through the week of July 6th to accommodate residents.

If a resident has not had a bulk pick up in the second quarter, then this bulk pick up will now count as your 2nd quarter bulk pick up. If a resident has already had a bulk pick in the 2nd quarter, then this will count as the 3rd quarter bulk pick up. However, all residents must schedule their bulk pick up with Republic Services by no later than July 3rd to receive the benefit of this extension.

Tree limbs and branches that have been brought down by the rainstorm may be placed in your bulk pick-up. Branches and limbs that are over 3 ˝ ft. must be bundled to be included in the bulk pick-up.

To view health information in regards to flood waters, please visit our website at www.toledo.oh.gov under the tab news."

posted by toledolen_ on Jun 29, 2015 at 09:58:53 pm     #  

I think they meant over 3.5 feet cut and bundled. Otherwise, they are saying no length is too long, as long as it's bundled.

posted by justread on Jun 30, 2015 at 04:26:07 am     #  

Question: Much is being made of the fact that our sewer system worked amazingly well, and NO UNTREATED SEWAGE MADE IT TO THE LAKE.

Uh.... so when we have one inch of rain, the CSOs open up and unleashed the bowels of our sewer system into our streams and rivers, but we have a "3.5" rain event (most of us are calling it a 5-6" rain event), and we don't?
How is this possible? West Toledo basements hold that much?

posted by justread on Jun 30, 2015 at 04:32:50 am     #  

I feel bad for all the people who got flooded basements who didn't have adequate insurance.

posted by reggie on Jun 30, 2015 at 06:27:49 am     #  

As do I. I hope this will remind everyone to check their policies and/or contact their agents.

The magnitude really hit me yesterday when I was arriving home to my neighborhood. The remediation companies were finally getting to some of them. The piles of destroyed belongings stacked at the curb and out in people's yards was mind boggling. And very sad.

My own situation would have been so much worse had I not gone down to the basement to do my routine check on the foundation drain (no sump pumps in the homes in my area, just floor drains) - as I always do in heavy rains - and discovered the backup that was occurring. I grabbed the floor drain plug and screwed that sucker down. While it didn't completely stop the flow, it sure slowed it down. When the service company dropped off a trash pump a few hours later, we were able to keep the level to a minimum thus preventing a far worse situation than what we ended up with.

posted by Foodie on Jun 30, 2015 at 09:13:01 am     #  

We dont have a basement here, just a crawl space. we have the weeping tiles around the house with a sump and a pump in it, but when the water gets as high as it did we just turn it off. No point in letting it run nonstop only thing down there is some plastic sheeting and it will dry out eventually. When the water dropped below the level of the output pipe out in the ditch we turned it back on, took half a day for it to empty out again.

posted by MIJeff on Jun 30, 2015 at 09:27:04 am     #  

After using 3 sump pumps to get the 8 1/2 inches out of ours over 12 hours, we are lucky that all our appliances (washer, dryer, furnace, water heater) still work. It looked worse when there was wall-to-wall water and no end in sight. Contacted our insurance early sunday morning but I don't think we really need to file a claim but we already got the process going...

posted by WestToledoan on Jun 30, 2015 at 11:30:52 am     #  

posted by MIJeff on Jun 30, 2015 at 02:33:49 pm     #   1 person liked this

WestToledoan posted at 12:30:52 PM on Jun 30, 2015:

After using 3 sump pumps to get the 8 1/2 inches out of ours over 12 hours, we are lucky that all our appliances (washer, dryer, furnace, water heater) still work. It looked worse when there was wall-to-wall water and no end in sight. Contacted our insurance early sunday morning but I don't think we really need to file a claim but we already got the process going...

You may be surprised. We thought our loss would end up being fairly minimal - get dried out, toss the ruined stuff and disinfect/wax the tile floor.

Our adjuster was out today. Said the basement has to be gutted and re-done including the tile floor. He noticed places where the tiles are starting to pop and said it will only get worse the drier it gets. He placed our loss at $25,000 which shocked the heck out of us. That includes the cleanup and professional dry out costs but still - holy sh*t. We're still trying to comprehend it.

posted by Foodie on Jun 30, 2015 at 08:05:28 pm     #  

justread posted at 05:32:50 AM on Jun 30, 2015:

Question: Much is being made of the fact that our sewer system worked amazingly well, and NO UNTREATED SEWAGE MADE IT TO THE LAKE.

Uh.... so when we have one inch of rain, the CSOs open up and unleashed the bowels of our sewer system into our streams and rivers, but we have a "3.5" rain event (most of us are calling it a 5-6" rain event), and we don't?
How is this possible? West Toledo basements hold that much?


I'm confused by all of this.


Jun 30, 2015 - Toledo Blade - Basements wet, but city avoided sewage spills

The mayor and Public Utilities Director Edward Moore said the sewer system was overloaded by an unusually heavy 3.5 inches of rainfall in a 24-hour period.

However, Mr. Moore said the system worked well because no untreated sewage bypassed the city’s wastewater treatment plant into the Ottawa and Maumee rivers.


http://www.toledowaterwaysinitiative.com/tech-data

Combined sewer overflows (CSOs) occur when storm water mixed with sewage overflows into the Maumee River, Ottawa River and Swan Creek.

This section includes a map showing the location of the CSO outfalls.


Nearly all of the rainfall occurred on Sat, Jun 27, 2015. Below is CSO data for Jun 27 and 28.

How is this data interpreted? I assumed that the data showed the amount of time that the rainfall-sewage slurry overflowed into our waterways at the following locations.

06/28/2015, CSO #68 , CSO Tunnel 1&2, 175 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #65 , Ayers, 714 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #62 , Windemere, 1315 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #61 , Lagrange, 925 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #48 , Hillside, 1440 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #46 , Hawley, 265 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #42 , Erie, 57 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #33 , Maumee, 925 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #26 , Magnolia, 291 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #23 , Columbus, 710 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #11 , EastSide Bypass, 286 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #9 , Oakdale, 806 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #8 , Fasset, 945 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #7 , Nevada, 1014 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #6 , Main, 97 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #5 , Dearborn, 90 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #4 , Paine, 357 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #69 , CSO Tunnel 6&7, 350 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #68 , CSO Tunnel 1&2, 1031 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #65 , Ayers, 566 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #62 , Windemere, 1295 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #61 , Lagrange, 1106 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #48 , Hillside, 617 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #47 , Junction, 508 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #46 , Hawley, 589 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #45 , Ewing, 660 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #43 , Hamilton-CSO 3,4,& 5, 801 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #42 , Erie, 759 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #33 , Maumee, 668 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #31 , Bostwick, 794 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #30 , Jefferson, 765 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #29 , Adams, 948 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #28 , Jackson, 750 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #27 , Locust, 1050 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #26 , Magnolia, 1129 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #23 , Columbus, 471 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #11 , EastSide Bypass, 453 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #9 , Oakdale, 511 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #8 , Fasset, 1034 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #7 , Nevada, 1196 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #6 , Main, 1152 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #5 , Dearborn, 1005 minutes
06/27/2015, CSO #4 , Paine, 863 minutes


More from http://www.toledowaterwaysinitiative.com/tech-data

When the Toledo Waterways Initiative is complete, roughly 77 percent of all CSOs will be eliminated from our waterways.

It doesn't make sense. Clearly, I don't understand the CSO data and what Mr. Moore said.

To me, it appears that an incomplete project eliminated 100 percent of CSO outfalls last weekend (despite the data above), but the completed waterways project is forecast to eliminate only 77 percent. Therefore, stop the waterways rebuilding project immediately. It's perfect. More progress will make things worse.

Maybe someone in the media will ask Mr. Moore or PH2 about the CSO data for Jun 27 and Jun 28 and how that matches with what Moore said. What does that data mean?

posted by jr on Jun 30, 2015 at 09:16:03 pm     #  

I thought I heard tonight on Fox Toledo that 344 (thousand or million) gallons flowed out of the cso's during the storm. Maybe I heard wrong...

posted by WestToledoan on Jun 30, 2015 at 10:52:12 pm     #  

jr posted at 10:16:03 PM on Jun 30, 2015:
justread posted at 05:32:50 AM on Jun 30, 2015:

Question: Much is being made of the fact that our sewer system worked amazingly well, and NO UNTREATED SEWAGE MADE IT TO THE LAKE.

Uh.... so when we have one inch of rain, the CSOs open up and unleashed the bowels of our sewer system into our streams and rivers, but we have a "3.5" rain event (most of us are calling it a 5-6" rain event), and we don't?
How is this possible? West Toledo basements hold that much?


I'm confused by all of this.


Jun 30, 2015 - Toledo Blade - Basements wet, but city avoided sewage spills

The mayor and Public Utilities Director Edward Moore said the sewer system was overloaded by an unusually heavy 3.5 inches of rainfall in a 24-hour period.

However, Mr. Moore said the system worked well because no untreated sewage bypassed the city’s wastewater treatment plant into the Ottawa and Maumee rivers.


http://www.toledowaterwaysinitiative.com/tech-data

Combined sewer overflows (CSOs) occur when storm water mixed with sewage overflows into the Maumee River, Ottawa River and Swan Creek.

This section includes a map showing the location of the CSO outfalls.


Nearly all of the rainfall occurred on Sat, Jun 27, 2015. Below is CSO data for Jun 27 and 28.

How is this data interpreted? I assumed that the data showed the amount of time that the rainfall-sewage slurry overflowed into our waterways at the following locations.

06/28/2015, CSO #68 , CSO Tunnel 1&2, 175 minutes
06/28/2015, CSO #65 , Ayers, 714 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #62 , Windemere, 1315 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #61 , Lagrange, 925 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #48 , Hillside, 1440 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #46 , Hawley, 265 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #42 , Erie, 57 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #33 , Maumee, 925 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #26 , Magnolia, 291 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #23 , Columbus, 710 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #11 , EastSide Bypass, 286 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #9 , Oakdale, 806 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #8 , Fasset, 945 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #7 , Nevada, 1014 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #6 , Main, 97 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #5 , Dearborn, 90 minutes

06/28/2015, CSO #4 , Paine, 357 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #69 , CSO Tunnel 6&7, 350 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #68 , CSO Tunnel 1&2, 1031 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #65 , Ayers, 566 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #62 , Windemere, 1295 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #61 , Lagrange, 1106 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #48 , Hillside, 617 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #47 , Junction, 508 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #46 , Hawley, 589 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #45 , Ewing, 660 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #43 , Hamilton-CSO 3,4,& 5, 801 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #42 , Erie, 759 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #33 , Maumee, 668 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #31 , Bostwick, 794 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #30 , Jefferson, 765 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #29 , Adams, 948 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #28 , Jackson, 750 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #27 , Locust, 1050 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #26 , Magnolia, 1129 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #23 , Columbus, 471 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #11 , EastSide Bypass, 453 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #9 , Oakdale, 511 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #8 , Fasset, 1034 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #7 , Nevada, 1196 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #6 , Main, 1152 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #5 , Dearborn, 1005 minutes

06/27/2015, CSO #4 , Paine, 863 minutes


More from http://www.toledowaterwaysinitiative.com/tech-data

When the Toledo Waterways Initiative is complete, roughly 77 percent of all CSOs will be eliminated from our waterways.

It doesn't make sense. Clearly, I don't understand the CSO data and what Mr. Moore said.

To me, it appears that an incomplete project eliminated 100 percent of CSO outfalls last weekend (despite the data above), but the completed waterways project is forecast to eliminate only 77 percent. Therefore, stop the waterways rebuilding project immediately. It's perfect. More progress will make things worse.

Maybe someone in the media will ask Mr. Moore or PH2 about the CSO data for Jun 27 and Jun 28 and how that matches with what Moore said. What does that data mean?

The only thing I can think of is that the actual plant has a CSO also, and that they are saying they didn't release any from the plant.

I do not recall CSO outfalls ever exceeding those of last weekend. They should be reported in hours, not minutes.

posted by justread on Jul 01, 2015 at 03:53:28 am     #  

WestToledoan posted at 11:52:12 PM on Jun 30, 2015:

I thought I heard tonight on Fox Toledo that 344 (thousand or million) gallons flowed out of the cso's during the storm. Maybe I heard wrong...

Would be million or trillion. No thousand. Those CSOs ran wide open for in some cases, nearly 24 hours.

Now the question is, how many times worse did Detroit do it? Cause that water is headed our way, if not already in the bay.

posted by justread on Jul 01, 2015 at 03:56:55 am     #  

Kwayme Kilpatrick rides it down the Livingston Channel on a surfboard,,,the same direction we seem to be headed.

posted by Mariner on Jul 01, 2015 at 05:16:24 am     #   1 person liked this

To quote Joe Walsh, "the bottom has a rocky reputation." :)

posted by justread on Jul 01, 2015 at 05:54:21 am     #  

"They should be reported in hours, not minutes."

Apparently, that's a state issue.

Excerpts from a Mon, Jun 29, 2015 blog post by Blade writer Tom Henry titled How to track Toledo-area sewage overflows heading for western Lake Erie

Several people have asked me how heavy Toledo-area sewage overflows were this past weekend and what that means for the development of western Lake Erie algae this summer.

To track the overflows online, go to the Toledo Waterways Initiative website here and click on "Tech Data."

As of Monday afternoon, the city of Toledo hadn't posted numbers for last weekend. But I'm sure it will soon.

Maybe that's why Mr. Moore said no sewage ran into our waterways because the data was still unavailable. But that doesn't make sense because nearly any moderate to heavy rainfall will cause some CSO outfalls somewhere in the city.

More from Henry's blog post

The key thing to remember is that Toledo reports sewage overflows in duration, not volume. Unlike the state of Michigan, where online viewers can see overflows estimated in gallons, Ohio doesn't require that. A state EPA spokesman told me a while back that's because they question the accuracy of reporting overflows in gallons.

Knowing there are 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day, the maximum discharge you will find from any of the city's remaining sewage outlets for any single day is 1,440 consecutive minutes.

This month, [prior to Jun 27-28 data] the page shows 57 releases on nine different days through June 23, the worst being 270 consecutive minutes, or 4.5 hours, on June 15.

But, again, those statistics are about to be obliterated by what the city posts from last weekend in the coming days.

Btw, keep your eye on Outfall No. 33. That's been a high priority to the city because, historically, it has spilled more sewage than others. It held the distinction of the longest spill in May, more than nine consecutive hours.


I think that a gambling opportunity exists here. Bet on the top 3 CSO outfalls for win, place, and show, and then bet the over-under for the minutes on some outfalls.

For CSO no. 33:

  • 06/28/2015, CSO #33 , Maumee, 925 minutes
  • 06/27/2015, CSO #33 , Maumee, 668 minutes

Oh, man. That was a loser pick. Others did much "better."

"... the maximum discharge you will find from any of the city's remaining sewage outlets for any single day is 1,440 consecutive minutes."

Here are the CSO outfalls that registered at least 1,000 minutes or 16.7 hours per day.

  1. 06/28/2015, CSO #48 , Hillside, 1440 minutes
  2. 06/28/2015, CSO #62 , Windemere, 1315 minutes
  3. 06/27/2015, CSO #62 , Windemere, 1295 minutes
  4. 06/27/2015, CSO #7 , Nevada, 1196 minutes
  5. 06/27/2015, CSO #6 , Main, 1152 minutes
  6. 06/27/2015, CSO #26 , Magnolia, 1129 minutes
  7. 06/27/2015, CSO #61 , Lagrange, 1106 minutes
  8. 06/27/2015, CSO #27 , Locust, 1050 minutes
  9. 06/27/2015, CSO #8 , Fasset, 1034 minutes
  10. 06/27/2015, CSO #68 , CSO Tunnel 1&2, 1031 minutes
  11. 06/28/2015, CSO #7 , Nevada, 1014 minutes
  12. 06/27/2015, CSO #5 , Dearborn, 1005 minutes


Again, from the Jun 30 Blade story

Public Utilities Director Edward Moore said the sewer system worked well because no untreated sewage bypassed the city’s wastewater treatment plant into the Ottawa and Maumee rivers.

Hopefully, Henry will ask Moore to explain his comment now that the Jun 27-28 data is available.

Maybe justread is correct, and Moore did not lie, technically. But it appears that the city may have misled the public.


It appears that our forecast has stabilized with slightly below normal temps and little chance for rain over the next week.

Toledo 7-day forecast Last Update: Jul 1, 2015 3:11 am

Today: Partly sunny, with a high near 74. Northwest wind around 10 mph.

Tonight: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 59. Northwest wind 5 to 7 mph.

Thursday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 74. East wind 7 to 11 mph.

Thursday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 57. East wind 6 to 8 mph.

Friday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 79. East wind 5 to 9 mph.

Friday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 59.

Independence Day: Mostly sunny, with a high near 76.

Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 58.

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 80.

Sunday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 65.

Monday: A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Partly sunny, with a high near 81. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Monday Night: A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 68. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Tuesday: A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 79. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

posted by jr on Jul 01, 2015 at 05:57:28 am     #  

Excerpts from a Jul 2, 2015 Tom Henry blog post

Raw, filthy toilet waste flowed into Toledo-area streams for at least five consecutive hours at 26 locations last Saturday, [June 27] 10 of which spilled more sewage waste for five hours or more on Sunday.

One site in North Toledo spilled raw sewage into the Ottawa River for 20 consecutive hours on Saturday, then spilled raw sewage into that same location for nearly 22 consecutive hours on Sunday.

South Toledo had one outlet that spilled untreated toilet waste into Swan Creek, a Maumee River tributary, for 24 consecutive hours on Sunday after spilling sewage more than 10 consecutive hours into the creek on Saturday.


But nothing from Henry about what was spewed by the city earlier this week.

Public Utilities Director Edward Moore said the sewer system worked well because no untreated sewage bypassed the city’s wastewater treatment plant into the Ottawa and Maumee rivers.


Jul 2, 2015 Blade story our June rains.

June’s rainfall went from merely above average to historic for Toledo when 3.33 inches fell on Saturday [at TOL].

The rain caused widespread flooding also put the month into fourth place for all-time June rainfall, at 7.22 inches. That’s 3.65 inches above normal for June.

Toledo’s June record is 8.48 inches, which was set in 1981.

For the month of June, my rain gauge totaled 8.15 inches. During the final two days of May, I recorded 1.08 inches of rainfall. Over a 32-day stretch, 9.23 inches of rain fell.

It's possible that some parts of Lenawee, Monroe, Henry, and Wood counties received more than 10 inches of rain over that same 32-day stretch.


The winter of 2014-2015 officially ended on Tue, Jun 30. More from the Jul 2 Blade story:

Tuesday also closed the books on Toledo’s seasonal snowfall total, which is measured for a July 1-June 30 year.

Despite a record-setting 25.3 inches in February, Toledo’s snowfall for the winter of 2014-15 fell short of the Top 10 list.

According to the weather service, 45.7 inches fell at Toledo Express for the whole winter, about seven inches above normal but 3.5 inches below the 49.2-inch snowfall from 1936-37 that now occupies 10th place on the list.

The record was set in 2013-14, when 86.3 inches fell through the winter at Toledo’s main airport.

posted by jr on Jul 03, 2015 at 10:10:59 am     #