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Dog park at Ottawa park meeting with Lindsay Webb

Councilwoman Lindsay Webb is holding a meeting to share thoughts and ask questions regarding the Dog Park Proposal for Ottawa Park. Meeting is Wednesday the 16th at 6:30 in the basement of the Moroe Street United Methodist Churh (3613 Monroe Street, Reeder Hall).

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I also found that there is a petition to put one at the Lucas county rec. center.

http://www.petitiononline.com/k9park/petition.html

posted by transcom on Jul 14, 2008 at 08:49:11 am     #  

A dog park is fine, as long as the people who want such a park are fronting their own money and not sucking the tax teat.

posted by JJFad on Jul 14, 2008 at 10:32:42 pm     #  

Yea, casuse tax monies are only dispersed when it can benefit everyone, right?

posted by Ryan on Jul 15, 2008 at 08:06:33 am     #  

A 'Dog Park' is being proposed, but yet the City of Toledo may not be able to afford a new Police or Fire class?

Okay....funny. This is a joke, right?

posted by GraphicsGuy on Jul 15, 2008 at 04:53:07 pm     #  

From District 5 Councilman Tom Waniewski's July 2008 newsletter :

Well the floods came again, and boy did I hear about it! I've talked with the mayor's office about this. The city has no money I'm told.

Yet, two weeks ago, Toledo City Scoundrels voted to waste $6,900 a month of taxpayer money on utilities for an allegedly energy inefficient building that for some reason continues to house COSI.

And don't forget the sweetheart deals Toledo government hands out at times :

VIVA South Toledo now owns the former south branch library. Council Tuesday agreed to sell the property on Broadway for 10-thousand dollars. According to the County Auditor's website, the current value of this property is $213,500.

And I guess we're now suppose to forget about the January and May 2008 council votes that supported the continual dumping of taxpayer money into the Erie Street Sinkhole, which has already burned through millions of taxpayer dollars from the local and federal governments.

The Erie Street Market opened in the former Civic Auditorium in May, 1997, after the city allocated $2.7 million in federal Housing and Urban Development funds and $1.8 million in city funds to restore the deteriorating structure.

And how much taxpayer money has been pumped into ESM since 1997? Why is the local government involved in retail?

One of my "favorites" is the flower vote from the spring of 2007 :

Council voted 7-4 to approve Mayor Carty Finkbeiner's request for $39,900 to contract with a landscaping firm to plant flowers at and maintain 22 gateway gardens. Ms. Shultz said she opposed the urban beautification effort when it started several years ago, but now considers it critical to attracting new businesses and visitors to the city. "The city looks beautiful and clean and those are two things businesses want," Ms. Shultz said.

At least Toledo does NOT have to worry about being accused of electing intelligent people to office.

posted by jr on Jul 15, 2008 at 05:45:45 pm     #  

I haven't heard how the meeting went; anyone have an update?

The City truly needs to focus on maintaining, if not improving, its parks for PEOPLE, rather than create new ones for dogs. Westwood Park on McGregor is often overgrown (grass to the knees) and littered with broken glass, used condoms, etc... Trilby Park is in better shape, but could really use daily attention and clean up.

These are suburban parks. I can only imagine how ill-maintained others in the city proper are.

Ball fields are also not maintained well. Look at Waldorz-Szabo on the Eastside, Highland Park, and Sterling on the South End. Twelve-fifteen years ago, these fields were at least minimally maintained, the fences/facilities/bleachers in good shape, and the parking lots paved and cared for...Now, they are in complete disrepair.

posted by Shellydav on Jul 17, 2008 at 04:13:11 pm     #  

are there any updates on dog parks in the city? my puppy NEEDS a place to run around soooo bad.

posted by upso on Feb 19, 2010 at 03:59:36 pm     #  

None that I know of, upso. You're pretty much on your own to find a green spot where your dog can run without bothering people. If your dog has excellent -- and I mean excellent -- recall, i.e. he'll come when you call his name no matter what, you have more options. We used to let our dog off-leash at places we weren't supposed to do so, if there weren't too many people around and we could find a good, large open area to play fetch a good distance away from any traffic.

The necessary recall skills in order to get away with this, though, are not super easy to teach. It took us about 3-4 years of incremental off-leash work before our dog was totally trustworthy.

Some of our places were: Highland Park, Swan Creek Metropark (Glendale entrance), the park at the South YMCA where there's a track, an open grassy field on the grounds of UTMC (field is now closed, they're building on it), and the soccer fields on Heatherdowns just before you get to Detroit (not sure if these are still open). Occasionally we'd be asked to leash our dog and we would, no problem. Or sometimes we'd just not be able to find an open space, or sometimes there'd be too many other people and dogs around. That was OK, too, because we'd just turn it into a leashed, walking park visit instead of a running, fetching park visit.

posted by jmleong on Feb 19, 2010 at 04:35:02 pm     #  

hmm. my puppy is way too young to let off leash without a fence... but man alive she wants to run!

posted by upso on Feb 19, 2010 at 04:51:33 pm     #  

Ha! Cabin fever is for canines, too!

Get yourself a super-long leash (not the retractable kind) and take her to the South YMCA and run the track with her. I know that the Y is closed, but I think the park there is independent of of the Y.

Work on your "come" and "drop it" commands and play mini-fetch in your backyard (with her on the long leash). This won't allow her to run, but it will be training for her so that someday she will be able to run off-leash in safe places. Eventually, your next step would be to play with her dragging the long leash -- it's important that it's long so you can step on it and stop her if she's not listening/running away, etc.

Also, during the winter when it was too cold for the park, we'd sometimes chase our dog around the dining room table, heh. If you have a rule about no running in the house, get rid of it! Our dog LOVED to be chased around the dining room table. We also played fetch indoors. OK, so our carpet's in bad shape and I'm pretty sure that one too many enthusiastic jumps up on the couch to retrieve a stuffy toy actually broke it, but meh -- the dog was happy.

posted by jmleong on Feb 19, 2010 at 05:06:10 pm     #  

Hope it passes, would love to have such a park available to take my dog. Though it is a torn issue, while it's a great idea there are sadly a lot more important issues that need to be addressed first for our community.

However if such a place did sprout up and was membership only or required a modest fee I'd be willing to pay it to help self-fund such a place.

jmleong agree on the recall. I sometimes take my dog to Maumee bay and that park near the drive-in on Navarre, and when no one is within view will let him off leash. It also took me about 3 years to train him and he never goes further than say 15-20 feet from me and comes back on command, which is why I feel safe doing so.

posted by INeedCoffee on Feb 19, 2010 at 05:41:49 pm     #  

I think most people would be willing to throw a couple bucks per dog for the use of a dog park. I know I would.

posted by toledolen on Feb 19, 2010 at 06:05:31 pm     #  

I don't think there is a huge investment into making a dog park. A fenced in area with some dog obstacle course items. If this is done well, the fence and other supplies might be donated.
If a dog park is made, does that mean you won't be permitted to take your dog to other metroparks?

posted by hockeyfan on Feb 19, 2010 at 10:07:11 pm     #  

My understanding is you already can't take your dog to many of the parks around the city... the metro parks specifically. I think most or all city parks are dog friendly.

I suspect there is a bit more involved than a fenced in area... Insurance comes to mind. But seriously, it can't be all that much investment wise, and would certainly add to the quality of life for dog owners in the city.

posted by upso on Feb 19, 2010 at 10:17:45 pm     #  

'that park near the drive-in on Navarre'

ahem, that is Pearson, my good sir, and it is a total gem of a park! the new Pearson North wetlands is going to be amazing, can't wait to see what it looks like this spring!!

posted by nana on Feb 20, 2010 at 12:43:51 am     #  

We don't need the government involved to create a dog park. Land and/or warehouse space is cheap, cheap, cheap! Some dog lover(s) should put up some cash and build a business around the idea. Could be run for profit or operate under a coop model. A lot of dog owners would gladly pay $x per day or $y per qtr w/ controlled access for approved dogs/owners.

Given the budget issues confronting the city I really don't think they should be investing time or money on such a thing. Not now anyway.

posted by bam2 on Feb 20, 2010 at 01:46:07 pm     #  

(I think maybe it needs to be pointed out that this thread originated in 2008 and at the moment there is no discussion among public officials of funding a dog park.)

posted by jmleong on Feb 20, 2010 at 03:56:40 pm     #  

I have not heard much since October. Last I heard a fence was donated and that Ottawa park was the targeted location. For some reason since Carty was on his way out they were waiting for Bell to step into office.

Get updates here.

http://twitter.com/ToledoUnleashed

http://www.toledounleashed.org

or email info at toledounleashed.org

posted by transcom on Feb 22, 2010 at 03:45:09 pm     #  

thanks for the tip michael! I had no idea this toledounleashed group existed! gives me hope. :)

posted by upso on Feb 22, 2010 at 08:24:19 pm     #  

update.

I hope that all of you are getting excited for Toledo's FIRST dog park. Mayor Bell was quoted as saying "Toledo's first dog park will be open BEFORE the end of March." Tomorrow morning, I'm doing an interview with 13ABC to talk about our plans for a dog park inside Ottawa Park.

Here's a few of the points we will be discussing. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to email or call.

Talking Points:
1) The park is going to be funded using ZERO tax payer dollars.
2) It is our hope to have the sponsors and ultimately dollars in place to start building the 5' split-rail fence and working on landscaping as soon as the snow is melted.
3) There will be an application form and membership fee required to enter the park. The proposed cost is no more than $60 per year for the first dog in each household, and then around $25 to $30 for each additional dog.
4) At this time, we have received commitments from Universal Metals to provide the steel entry to the park, as well as the green powder coated wire that will run along the inside of the fencing.
5) We're also working on procurring some "retired" fire hydrants which can be sponsored, painted and placed throughout the park. This is not only an amusing visual for the dogs, but we hope a fitting tribute to our new mayor who has been so supportive of this endeavor.

Thanks for all of your support. You will be the first to know when we are accepting memberships. We will probably have to limit the number of members, seeing that this is Lucas County's ONLY park - but we will make every effort to ensure that each of you get an opportunity to join!

Kevin Mullan
Toledo Unleashed
(419) 290-2622

posted by transcom on Mar 02, 2010 at 10:18:41 pm     #  

"ZERO tax payer dollars" ??? There were 4 city trucks, a bobcat and 5 or 6 workers prep'ing the area of the proposed dog park this morning - who is funding this labor? I'd guess we the taxpayers are already footing the bill.

They don't have the funds or equipment to plow the Robert Brundage Bike Path, which is widely used even in winter by walkers and joggers, yet they find the funds to remove existing fencing around one of the park's "natural areas" to make room for a dog park? If they don't have funds for the basics like snow removal, mowing, or regular trash pickup in the parks, they ought not be utilizing scarce resources for this.

Again, I'm all for a privately funded effort on non-public land. I simply fear when the initial enthusiasm fades, the city will be left holding the bag.

posted by bam2 on Mar 03, 2010 at 11:26:43 am     #  

i am soooooooo excited this is happening!!!

posted by upso on Mar 03, 2010 at 12:26:21 pm     #  

I'm totally into this as well. We will happily pay for our two dogs' memberships... and know that other dog owners in the city will as well -- the dog owners that don't keep their dogs leashed up in the back of their houses all day, that is.

"I simply fear when the initial enthusiasm fades..." Don't. Because theirs nothing more precious than seeing your loved family member have fun and get exercised. It's not a fad.

posted by toledolen_ on Mar 03, 2010 at 01:05:49 pm     #  

theirs = there's

posted by toledolen_ on Mar 03, 2010 at 01:06:18 pm     #  

Oh I know...my dogs already run around that park as it is and they would love it even more if they had friends to do it with.

posted by transcom on Mar 03, 2010 at 01:17:06 pm     #  

Update email from Toledo unleashed:

Welcome to all of the new members of the Toledo Unleashed mailing list. †Also, welcome to the members of EPIC who have recently joined in on our quest to build something that should have been taken care of YEARS ago...

Thank you to 13ABC, Fox Toledo, and Star 105.5 for spreading the word about Toledo Unleashed. †(Sorry if I missed somebody) †We've had a great day of media coverage, but it can't stop there.

After YEARS of fighting for this, we are so close to opening the park. †We have a small hurdle to clear tomorrow and we need your help!!!

The Ottawa/Jermain Advisory Board (to date the ONLY people in the country who think dog parks are a bad idea) is holding apress conference at 4:30 at Ottawa Park. †I assume it will be held at the "proposed" location. †

It is my understanding that the OJ Board is merely an advisory board, and can merely make recommendations to either (1) the City of Toledo Parks Commission or (2) the Mayors office, both of whom are on board with Toledo Unleashed. †None the less, we need to take this press conference seriously, as they have at least one member of City Council (Wilma Brown) who is in agreement with them. †

Everyone who wants to see this happen NEEDS to come out and support this effort. †Bring your dogs (on leashes, of course) and be ready to make a statement. †I'm hoping we can speak with numbers, not voices.

I have asked Harry Ward, the president of the OJ Board to open the lines of communication between our organizations so that we can make this a win-win-win (to quote Michael Scott) for the city, the park and pet owners across NW Ohio. †Needless to say, they have been less than rational throughout this entire process.

When: Thursday, March 3, 2010
Where: Ottawa Park (most likely behind the police substation, but I'll email if I hear anything different)
What you need to do: BRING YOUR DOGS, and ANYBODY you know who is in support of a dog park in Toledo.

This is our chance to make a statement to the Mayor, City Council, the Media and everybody else in NW Ohio that TOLEDO NEEDS A DOG PARK.

Thanks for everything.

See you at Ottawa Park.

Kevin Mullan
Toledo Unleashed
(419) 290-2622

Follow us on Twitter! †http://www.twitter.com/toledounleashed

posted by upso on Mar 04, 2010 at 01:01:34 am     #  

I wish the press conference didn't conflict with my work hours - I'd definitely come with my dog.

(And I'd happily pay a membership fee as well - I certainly don't expect a dog park fully funded on taxpayer dollars.)

posted by mom2 on Mar 04, 2010 at 08:10:22 am     #  

just got back from the press conference. were any other toledo talkers there? it was a very weird event...

The Advisory Board of Ottawa park was there to tell the media why they didn't want the dog park created, and how angry they were that people were working on this. But then the guy from Toledo Unleashed stepped in and there was some VERY heated debate. The Toledo Unleashed guy was very well spoken and clearly has his act together. The advisory board didn't seem to know what hit them!

At least 3 of the networks were there shooting. I'm looking forward to seeing the recap on the news.

posted by upso on Mar 04, 2010 at 07:08:18 pm     #  

good turn out from dog owners in support of the park too! More pro dog park people than anti dog park people. Hopefully that is reflected in the media coverage of the event. :)

posted by upso on Mar 04, 2010 at 07:09:05 pm     #  

I missed it - drat! I'm glad to learn that the spokesman for Toledo Unleashed did a good job.

posted by madjack on Mar 04, 2010 at 07:13:38 pm     #  

he did a great job. I was very impressed

posted by upso on Mar 04, 2010 at 07:37:53 pm     #  

wtol has a poll up right now: http://www.wtol.com
just scroll down a little bit

posted by upso on Mar 04, 2010 at 07:57:45 pm     #  

video up

http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=12087792

So mad I missed this. I go to that very spot a couple times a week. There is never anyone using that area where the park will go. It will not be missed. What a bunch of grumps.

posted by transcom on Mar 05, 2010 at 12:23:14 am     #  

Official opposition to the dog park is headquartered with the Ottawa-Jermain Parks Advisory Board, AKA Shankland & Shankland. I couldn't find an address for this group.

I think it's very likely that the Shanklands have their collective knickers in a twist because they weren't 'consulted' about the use of the park. Clearly someone has overstepped someone else's bounds in this little matter and things must be put to rights.

It looks to me as though Toledo will finally have a dog park.

posted by madjack on Mar 05, 2010 at 09:40:21 am     #  

I bet the members of the board are all for closing the parks now to meet the deficit.

posted by oldsendbrdy on Mar 05, 2010 at 11:33:16 am     #  

I sure hope the dog park goes through.Many cities have them and it would be wonderful to have a place where dogs can run and play and socialize with other dogs!

posted by golddustwoman on Mar 05, 2010 at 11:50:42 am     #  

Denmark is where its at these days. :)

posted by Ryan on Mar 05, 2010 at 12:12:03 pm     #  

LOL! Sorry - wrong dog board.

posted by Ryan on Mar 05, 2010 at 12:12:44 pm     #  

LOL! I am thinking Vancouver.....

posted by golddustwoman on Mar 05, 2010 at 12:32:30 pm     #  

video here too: http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/Dog-park-considered-for-Toledo (second video is from yesterday)

posted by upso on Mar 05, 2010 at 12:48:56 pm     #  

actually sorry, here is a better video: http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/Stink-over-proposed-dog-park-hm

posted by upso on Mar 05, 2010 at 12:52:02 pm     #  

I think the idea of a dog park is silly only because I wouldn't have a use for it. However I'm sure there are many who will enjoy it. My questions are; If the City is leasing this for $1.00 per year, who will be responsible for the maintenance? Like mowing the grass, picking up the trash, etc. Also will people have to provide proof of pet insurance just in case their dog kills another dog? Will the City be liable for anyone getting bit by a dog? Does the City have any other nice parcels of land for lease at $1.00 per year? I think we may also need a cat park and a turtle park or maybe even an ostrich park or one for pet gerbils & snakes. I'm sure there are a lot of different types of pets in Toledo. Why do the dog owners get first choice on the land use. It realy doesn't make any difference to me as long as my tax dollars don't pay for it.

posted by AmericanPie on Mar 05, 2010 at 06:39:46 pm     #  

The "Toledo Unleashed" group will be taking care of all of the maintenance. Your tax dollars will not be touching this park. As for turtle and ostrich parks, if you can find a demand for it, then there is no reason they shouldn't exist! :)

posted by upso on Mar 05, 2010 at 06:58:24 pm     #  

AmericanPie - dog parks are VERY common in urban areas.

When I moved to this region several years ago, I was surprised that a city the size of Toledo did not have a designated "off leash" dog park. (Whether private or at one of the public parks.) I didn't even own a dog at the time - I was just used to seeing them in urban areas while on my work travels and/or hearing about them from my college friends who had moved to different cities.

Here's one search engine that shows where dog parks can be found nationally: http://www.dogparkusa.com/dog-park-usa

The reason there is a demand for dog parks in urban areas is because walking a dog on a leash isn't enough to keep your pet well exercised. People who have big yards (such as in rural or suburban areas) may not have as much of a problem keeping their dog exercised as a person in some urban neighborhoods with minimal yard space.

I have a few places where my dog can run already (family property, my yard, a few secret "unofficial" dog areas here in Sylvania Twp), but I still plan to purchase a membership and take my dog to the new park. Its good to have places to take your dog where it can be well-socialized with other dogs and people. Helps keep your dog well-behaved.

(And truthfully, its even good for the non-dog owners if the dogs in the neighborhood have a place to go burn off energy. Well-exercised dogs tend to be better behaved, so it could help reduce "problem behaviors" that might be a nuisance to neighbors.)

Anyhow, I'm not saying that other animals couldn't have designated areas - like upso said, if there's the demand and interest, then go for it. But I think that because of the exercise issue, the interest in paying a membership fee for something like this might be unique to dog owners. ;)

posted by mom2 on Mar 05, 2010 at 07:22:33 pm     #  

And just to be clear - I'm fully on board with the idea of using membership fees to support the dog park. Just because I was surprised that Toledo didn't have a dog park doesn't mean that I thought it should be fully funded by tax dollars.

posted by mom2 on Mar 05, 2010 at 07:24:30 pm     #  

Excellent post Mom2.

Socialization with other dogs and their owners is an incredibly important part of preventing unwanted behavior problems. As is exercise.

I honestly don't understand the objections. Now, if the city were to be funding the dog park, that I could see being a valid criticism and I'd probably agree. But taking the city out of the equation, what really is the problem? Neighbors don't want to hear barking? Neighbors don't want to see dog poop? Well, guess what -- many of us have neighbors who put their dogs out at all hours of the day and night, and ignore them when they bark at passersby or because they want in. Many of us discover dog poo in our front yards because somebody walking by was too inconsiderate to clean up after his or her pooch. These are far bigger problems, IMO, than a dog park would bring. The park will be closed at night, so barking is not going to interfere with anybody's sleep; and the kind of pet owner who pays $60 a year for a membership is more likely to be the kind of pet owner who picks up after his or her dog -- and if he or she doesn't, the dog park administrators who are charged with maintaining the park will have to resolve that problem.

posted by jmleong on Mar 05, 2010 at 07:54:04 pm     #  

SO...
3 days shy of two years later and I get this email... wasn't he accepting donations / memberships to get this thing off the ground?

Long Overdue Apology and Update...

First and foremost, my apologies to those of you that have been left in the dark for the last several months. My wife and I have relocated to Dallas, and while we were hoping that momentum would continue building on this effort, it simply hasnít.

That being said, there is some traction to finally build a dog park in Toledo, and we fully support that. I will put all of my cards on the table, I didnít hold up my end of the bargain when we relocated. My wife and I poured our hearts and souls into fighting with the city to get them to appreciate the value of dog park. We feel as though we won that fight, and a dog park WILL come to Toledo due to the efforts of ALL of the members of Toledo Unleashed, eventually.

Iím currently in conversation with several leaders in Toledo about getting the project running again, with a reputable organization that has a history of success in the dog advocacy and education field. While Iím not sure what, if any, role Iíll be playing in this process, I encourage you to do your homework and choose to support the project based on the merits of the plan, not my errors in the past. Toledo Unleashed also has a FANTASTIC local advocate who can dedicate the time necessary to keep all of you "in the loop" from here on out.

I want to reiterate one point, because itís extremely important. While I feel there are a lot of things that we did correctly, Iím sure I made plenty of mistakes along the way, the largest of which was a lack of communication with you, the loyal supporters of this effort. Please do not take that out on an organization/effort with such a noble mission and the relationship with city leaders to see the project through.

I remain an eternal optimist, and I believe the city leadership whey they say they want a dog park, and will help clear red tape to make it happen. Living in Dallas, a community with about a dozen dog parks spread throughout the Metroplex, I have seen first hand (and so have Elvis, Oscar and Uma) the incredible benefits to the community and the well being of my four-legged friends that a dog park provides. Iím more sure than ever that Toledo NEEDS a dog park.

If you have any questions, concerns or simply want somebody to blame for this project taking 5+ years to get completed, Iím happy to be the fall guy, and I welcome your call. I will admit my mistakes and again encourage you to not take them out on the project. If this project fails, I will take the blame. However, if it succeeds, it will be you, the supporters and citizens of NW Ohio & SE Michigan that create that success.

Sincerely,
Kevin Mullan
972.971.9240

Kevin@five18concepts.com

posted by upso on May 02, 2012 at 08:38:03 am     #  

As I am learning first hand, if you have to deal with anyone in the Parks or Recreation Departments, good luck. They don't want to help or support anything but their own agendas.

posted by hockeyfan on May 02, 2012 at 11:46:49 am     #  

HF, please elaborate. I think it would be good for people to hear your story. I'm being serious too, not a smart ass.

posted by hunkytownsausage on May 02, 2012 at 11:48:48 am     #  

I'd like to hear more to, HF.

You'd think Parks and Recreation would be the sweetest government gig there is. You're serving generally happy people who want to use the greenspace for happy things (parties, cookouts, kids playing, etc.).

The job requirements are basically facility maintenance, mow the grass, pick up trash/replace trash can liners, and event scheduling. Unless, I'm missing something big, anything more is contracted out (building new facilities/capital improvements/etc.)

If they ever allowed it, I'm sure there are a bunch of retirees who would volunteer to garden/landscape/help keep up their neighborhood parks just for the joy of being outside.

So...why are they obstinate jerks? HF?

posted by oldhometown on May 02, 2012 at 12:14:38 pm     #  

I'm not sure it's the sweetest gig. I know I've spent my team yelling a Sean and Shella over softball schedules...

posted by SensorG on May 02, 2012 at 01:01:23 pm     #  

^^Well, if you can't do simple paperwork to ensure efficient operation (and few conflicts), you're pretty well screwed in whatever gig you're in...

posted by oldhometown on May 02, 2012 at 02:24:30 pm     #  

I posted my story and experience under Toledo Street Hockey League. It's a mile long, but so many details are needed I thought to know the entire story.

posted by hockeyfan on May 02, 2012 at 08:41:14 pm     #  

Tina Yoppolo
Toledo Unleashed
(419)346 4336

info@toledounleashed.org


Good Morning!

Yesterday I attended the Toledo City Parks Commission board meeting. First of all, I'd like to say that this is a very dedicated, hard working group. I was amazed by all the exciting things they are accomplishing in the city parks. Did you know there is an off road dirt bike path in the city? They have a Facebook page for more info at Toledo Free Ride. They have concerts planned (free) the last Thursday evenings of the summer months at Levis Square downtown and Zumba on the other Thursdays. Their list of events is long but I will get to what we all want to hear.

The city had been waiting for the Y to rectify some land issues. Most of this is finished. The Y removed underground fuel tanks and soil contaminates. Thirty loads of clean dirt were delivered and the site is being graded. These are very big steps and they are completed. Everybody dance now.

The Y is scheduled to plant grass seed next week. This is the last, I believe, item on the city's agenda. The Y wants to give this parcel to the city. It is a tax burden for them. The city wants to give the land use to us. There is very strong support for this park from the City Division of Parks, Recreation and Forestry. We have a firm committment from City Council. Everything is falling (in slow motion) into place.

Of course, I begged for a tentative date. The board members were wonderfully positive, but the best I got was "soon". So "soon" is all I can tell you at this time.

Respectfully,

Tina Yoppolo

Helping Dogs Run Free Since 2009

Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/toledounleashed

posted by upso on May 18, 2012 at 10:09:56 am     #  

Maybe this has been covered, but where is the location mentioned in this email? I'm assuming it's not in Ottawa Park.

posted by idinspired on May 18, 2012 at 10:25:57 am     #  

Hmmn, the e-mail said it is a location that the Y wants to give to the city.

What properties are owned by the Y that are no longer in use?

I'm not sure...the South Toledo location is one that comes to mind. Not sure if there are others?

posted by mom2 on May 18, 2012 at 10:40:18 am     #  

It's the south toledo location

posted by upso on May 18, 2012 at 03:11:04 pm     #  

Thanks for the post, Upso.

posted by madjack on May 18, 2012 at 05:48:53 pm     #  

Congrats to all dog park supporters. I am glad to hear that something positive can be accomplished.
Can't wait til this dog park is up and running.

posted by hockeyfan on May 18, 2012 at 06:00:49 pm     #  

Those of us that live in that neighborhood are not so happy. Who wants to hear all thosem dogs barking all the time.

posted by deere1 on May 19, 2012 at 05:29:45 pm     #  

It's certainly not as peaceful as the traffic noises from the AWT. If free gold coins fell out of the sky someone would complain that it dented their car.

posted by slowsol on May 19, 2012 at 09:25:16 pm     #   5 people liked this

Really? Dogs barking all the time? If you are living such a quiet life that you'll be able to hear dogs barking in a dog park, you need to turn up your tv or radio.
Maybe with all the dogs around it will help with crime and trouble makers.
I have to believe that the park will be closed at dusk so what's the big deal? As slowsol posted, how peaceful is it really now without the dog park with all the traffic on AWT?

posted by hockeyfan on May 19, 2012 at 10:32:26 pm     #  

We don't hear traffic fronm the trail except for motorcycles. The dogs bark in the daytime when we are trying to enjoy the yard.

posted by deere1 on May 20, 2012 at 09:51:04 am     #  

slowsol posted at 09:25:16 PM on May 19, 2012:

It's certainly not as peaceful as the traffic noises from the AWT. If free gold coins fell out of the sky someone would complain that it dented their car.

Headline: Entire city wiped out by freak gold coin storm. Second responders saw first responders heading west with sagging suspensions.

posted by justread on May 20, 2012 at 10:07:04 am     #  

The dogs bark in the daytime when we are trying to enjoy the yard.

get over yourself deere1

posted by nits on May 20, 2012 at 02:27:34 pm     #  

Don't judge deere1's problem before you've spent an afternoon in his or her yard. We have some neighbors with 10 dogs between 2 properties (their visiting kinfolk bring dogs for the day, so they're not really all living there). They snarl and howl and bay and bark for hours at a time, while the owners sit inside watching TV and playing games online. So the noise doesn't bother them ... they don't see what the problem is. If I were looking to buy a home in this neighborhood, I might give it a pass just because of the constant dog clamor. When I garden, mow, hang out laundry, cook out, rake leaves, or just try to smell my own flowers ... they bark. And bark and bark and bark and bark.

posted by viola on May 20, 2012 at 07:38:28 pm     #  

i don't know... dogs are barking all around the city, all the time anyways. Most major cities have dog parks, no problem. Heck, even BG has one.

I'm sure there are ways to work around any issue residents might have. And I don't know if you've spent a lot of time around dogs, but it's not like groups of them just sit around and bark all day. They may growl, but it's mostly running, jumping, wrestling etc. The barking usually happens when the feel threatened IE: when the mail man comes.

posted by upso on May 20, 2012 at 10:14:37 pm     #  

10 dogs between 2 properties? One thing you can be thankful for is I'll bet you'll never have a break-in. I doubt that there are that many dogs and the "kinfolk" bring dogs for a visit. Where do you live? West Virginia?

In my experience, any house with that many dogs means they aren't being taken care of and/or the yard is not being cleaned of waste. Both can be addressed by the appropriate authority. As far as barking/snarling/growling dogs go, it is legal up to about 9pm. Til then, welcome to the neighborhood.

posted by hockeyfan on May 20, 2012 at 10:36:08 pm     #  

hockeyfan posted at 10:36:08 PM on May 20, 2012:

10 dogs between 2 properties? One thing you can be thankful for is I'll bet you'll never have a break-in. I doubt that there are that many dogs and the "kinfolk" bring dogs for a visit. Where do you live? West Virginia?

In my experience, any house with that many dogs means they aren't being taken care of and/or the yard is not being cleaned of waste. Both can be addressed by the appropriate authority. As far as barking/snarling/growling dogs go, it is legal up to about 9pm. Til then, welcome to the neighborhood.

It's possible that they could be dog-sitting during the day while friends/family are at work.

We used to have a retired man in our neighborhood who I'd see with 6-7 dogs on weekdays. I know that only one of those dogs actually lived in the home, because that's the only one you'd see in evenings or on weekends.

Always figured he picked up some extra cash by dog-sitting during the day.

Doggie daycare can get pricey - if you have a friend/family member who will hang out with your dog while you're at work, it can be a less expensive compromise if you don't want to leave him home alone all day.

posted by mom2 on May 23, 2012 at 03:16:48 pm     #  

Good doggie daycare also means the dogs are supervised. In Viola's case, it sounds like the dogs are left outside to annoy everyone else in the neighborhood. A co-worker of mine drops her dog off at daycare twice a week and he's actually been put in "time out" for barking.

I'm with upso on this. There might be some growling, but I've heard very little barking in the dog parks I've seen. Most parks have rules against excessive barking and they all require that you supervise your dog.

posted by valbee on May 23, 2012 at 09:06:08 pm     #  

viola posted at 07:38:28 PM on May 20, 2012:

Don't judge deere1's problem before you've spent an afternoon in his or her yard. We have some neighbors with 10 dogs between 2 properties (their visiting kinfolk bring dogs for the day, so they're not really all living there). They snarl and howl and bay and bark for hours at a time, while the owners sit inside watching TV and playing games online. So the noise doesn't bother them ... they don't see what the problem is. If I were looking to buy a home in this neighborhood, I might give it a pass just because of the constant dog clamor. When I garden, mow, hang out laundry, cook out, rake leaves, or just try to smell my own flowers ... they bark. And bark and bark and bark and bark.

I've only bought 2 homes in my lifetime but I've passed on potential properties because the people on either side of me have had more than one dog. I'm sorry but I find most people with multiple dogs do not have the time to take care of multiple dogs and they are a noise problem / the yard is full of dog poo.

posted by dbw8906 on May 24, 2012 at 07:15:22 am     #  

We got a couple dogs near here that bark constantly, it drives me indoors because its non-stop when it happens. To me all I hear is, can I come inside, can I come inside, can I come inside, over and over. Or another translation I give it is why wont you play with me, does anyone care about me.

posted by Linecrosser on May 24, 2012 at 09:19:57 am     #  

I have two dogs that are generally well behaved. If one starts barking for no apparent reason, a simple snap of my fingers and she stops. ( Wish I could say the same for Mrs Hoops !) All dog owners should be responsible and courteous of their neighbors.

posted by Hoops on May 24, 2012 at 10:11:41 am     #  

Mrs. Hoops really needs to read this blog...

posted by oldhometown on May 24, 2012 at 10:30:10 am     #  

We have two dogs- A boxer and a Terrier mix, they don't bark. Unless someone knocks at the door or something because unlike everyone in our neighborhood we trained them to not bark at every little nothing that goes on when they are outside. People in our neighborhood need to be slapped in the face because when I am trying to enjoy my evening and all the dogs surrounding our house have a bark off makes me cringe my teeth! So many people who shouldn't have dogs.

But on a positive note I hear they are fixing more pot holes off commonwealth avenue LOL YAY!

posted by stooks on May 24, 2012 at 10:34:56 am     #  

Yes, dogs are much like kids. Both require proper upbringing and adult supervision. Something several of my neighbors have never learned. We have four large breed dogs within easy hearing distance - all of whom bark incessantly at nothing. Well, actually, I'm sure it's out of sheer boredom because their owners let them out in the morning and never pay a minute's worth of attention to them the rest of the day.

Three of the households are retirees. Has always boggled my mind how so many dog owners seem to be oblivious to the noise their pets create. To me, it is no different than if the neighbor decided to use their chain saw at 6:30 AM.

posted by Foodie on May 24, 2012 at 10:46:35 am     #   1 person liked this

I can understand dogs barking in the evening, its communication sorta, hey I'm here, oh so am I, Hey me too, stuff like that is pretty short aroundhere, 20-30 minutes then it stops. I'm talking about hours of non-stop barking from the same dog.

posted by Linecrosser on May 24, 2012 at 10:47:24 am     #  

I do not own a dog presently but have had many dogs in my lifetime. They are family and treated as such. There are many dogs in our neighborhood and yes there is some barking. But the dogs who escape and run loose every day bother me more.

I think a dog park, maintained and paid for by users, is a great idea. Animals need a place to run and many people do not have the space to do that at their homes.

I personally like it when I can hear dogs bark, children playing and birds singing. I then know I am still above the ground for one more day.

posted by jackie on May 24, 2012 at 11:11:37 am     #  

Foodie I'm sure they love their pets even if they have a misguided view on how to take care of and treat them. What I find really offensive is the status pet or fashion pet. Hilton's chiuaua, or people getting pit bulls based on solely their reputation (used to be rotweilers, before that dobbermans, before that german shepards).

posted by Linecrosser on May 24, 2012 at 11:21:27 am     #  

Related I heard on the radio, that there was a large number of owls now in shelters in England since Harry Potter became defunct kids no longer wanted them. I have to scratch my head and wonder who in the hell gets a pet owl in the first place, like bunnies and chicks on Easter here in the state.

posted by Linecrosser on May 24, 2012 at 11:24:12 am     #  

LC: They may well "love" their pets. With that love comes responsibility - both to the pet and being respectful of your neighbors. We have a dog also - who, I will admit, is spoiled rotten and pampered beyond belief. He is a member of the family - but he is also trained to behave and not bark at falling leaves.

Yes, Jackie, animals (especially large breed dogs) need a place to run. Perhaps folks should consider where they live before bringing home that adorable Bull Mastiff pup. Smaller ranch homes with postage stamp lots like those where I live are not suitable - unless you are willing to pull yourself away from the TV wasteland and take that poor dog for at least one daily walk.

I have no issue with a dog park - paid for by those who use it - and not with my tax $$ thank you.

posted by Foodie on May 24, 2012 at 11:42:56 am     #  

I had a wonderful Chesapeake Bay Retriever when I was a kid, loved that dog. But as an adult I'm to "lazy" for a dog. 12 hours days at work, kids, and all the other things that go into my daily life the last thing I have time for is dogs. My wife and I don't work close the house and with my limited free time on the weekend I'm not going to sacrifice a trip out to cuyahoga national park because we have don't have anyone to watch the dogs, or have to bother someone every time we are away from the house (which is often). Plus my kids don't bark in the yard at 5am when they have to pee (at least not anymore)

In my book dogs are more work than kids. I don't need more of either.

posted by dbw8906 on May 24, 2012 at 11:57:23 am     #  

Foodie

"I think a dog park, maintained and paid for by users..." I agree those who use it are responsible for it.

dbw

When I had dogs they did not turn into teenage girls. Yikes.

posted by jackie on May 24, 2012 at 04:30:27 pm     #