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2015 Toledo Mayoral Election

No September mayoral primary exists in this special election year.

All candidates will appear on the Nov 3, 2015 ballot, provided that they obtain the necessary petition signatures.

The deadline to file petitions is Sep 4. Candidates are required to obtain at least 750 valid Toledo signatures.

The party affiliations are guesses. The endorsed Democrat candidate is current mayor Paula Hicks-Hudson.

Unofficially, here's the mayoral field as of Wed, Aug 19:

  • Mike Bell - (I)
  • Sandra Drabik Collins - (I)
  • Opal Covey - (R)
  • Mike Ferner - (I)
  • Carty Finkbeiner - (D)
  • Paula Hicks-Hudson - (D)
  • Sandy Spang - (I)

Past Election Info

November elections:

2005:
Carty Finkbeiner 47,351 61%
Jack Ford 29,169 38%
76,520
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2009:
Mike Bell35,11852%
Keith Wilkowski31,98748%
67,105
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2013:
Mike Collins28,15955.4%
Mike Bell21,72142.7%
49,880


Additional info:

  • The November 2013 Toledo voter turnout was 25.4 percent of registered voters.
  • Nearly 27,000 fewer votes were cast for the 2013 mayor's race, compared to 2005.
  • Both losers in the 2005 and 2009 mayoral elections had more votes than the winner in 2013.
  • In the November 1993 Toledo mayoral election, Carty Finkbeiner defeated Mike Ferner by 672 votes. In that election, 92,470 votes were cast.
  • Toledo's population in 1990 was 332,943.
  • Toledo's population in 2010 was 287,208.
  • Toledo's estimated population for 2013 was 282,313.


The top four finishers in the September 2013 primary:

(I) Michael P. Bell634027%
(I) D. Michael Collins580624%
(D) Anita Lopez544323%
(D) Joe McNamara532822%

Prediction

I'll guess that at max, 45,000 votes will be cast in Toledo's mayoral election in November 2015.

The city's population is around 280,000 with approximately 190,000 registered voters. I think.

Voter turnout will probably be between 22 and 24 percent.

Here's my wild-guessed predicted finishing order that's based upon almost no data:

  1. Mike Bell - 25% ~11,000 votes
  2. Carty Finkbeiner - 22%
  3. Paula Hicks-Hudson - 20%
  4. Sandy Spang - 15%
  5. Sandra Drabik Collins - 12%
  6. Mike Ferner - 5%
  7. Opal Covey - 1%

If voter turnout is lower, then it's possible that the winner may tally only 8,000 to 10,000 votes.

created by jr on Aug 19, 2015 at 10:44:31 pm     Local-Politics     Comments: 52

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No idea who Ferner or Spang are, so I'll have to look into them. If there's nothing there worth voting for then its Opal all the way for me. The rest are unacceptable.

posted by taliesin52 on Aug 20, 2015 at 03:39:22 pm     #  

No idea who Ferner or Spang are

Nutshell:

Mike Ferner is two clicks away from being a domestic terrorist type. That's how passionate he is about his extreme views. If he was just a little crazier.... Former councilman and former mayoral candidate. Hobbies include highway overpass spray painting and invading and stopping congressional meetings. Neither does he do well.
Also likes to slam the Navy for Navy Week. Like Carty's Marine snafu on steroids. Got to be the most hated man by true Navy veterans ever.
http://warisacrime.org/content/navy-vet-responds-navy-week-pr
His time has come and gone already. I talked to him, and was distracted by wondering if Bea Arthur was still alive.

Sandy Spang is a small business owner who recently joined council as an at-large rep. She owns Plate 21 in south Toledo. She is also neighbors with Sandy Drabik, err Collins. Newer in politics, seemingly moderate. Certainly represents the small business owner well. Her time may not have come yet. It's a short trip from one council term to Mayor. I talked to her, and she seemed reasonable and collaborative. I liked her personally. Don't see her as Mayor, yet.

posted by justread on Aug 21, 2015 at 05:57:10 am     #   2 people liked this

Aug 21, 2015 - Toledo Blade - Ferner, a felon, can run for mayor

posted by jr on Aug 21, 2015 at 06:29:23 am     #  

Good summary of those two.

The Bea Arthur comment is hilarious. I don't usually laugh that hard early in the morning.

posted by foodie88 on Aug 21, 2015 at 06:33:28 am     #  

jr posted at 07:29:23 AM on Aug 21, 2015:

Aug 21, 2015 - Toledo Blade - Ferner, a felon, can run for mayor

"Mr. Ferner said he was aware of the potential ban on him serving in office and was planning to ask Gov. John Kasich for a pardon if he was ruled disqualified from holding office."

He's delusional to think Kasich would have even considered that request.

posted by Ace_Face on Aug 21, 2015 at 07:23:11 am     #  

And Carty is officially in.

I am thinking Doug DeGood would be good right about now. He has Mayor on July 1, 1979, when Toledo Police and Fire threw us all under the bus and walked off the job, resulting in 48 hours of violence, arson, and well... mayhem.

If he knew then what he knows now.... you know?
He's still younger than Carty.

posted by justread on Aug 29, 2015 at 06:56:54 pm     #  

Assuming that these Toledo mayoral candidates qualify for the November ballot, I've suggested walkout music for their public appearances. These lyrics are secondary. I simply like the music.

My walkout song for a mayoral debate would be Three Little Birds by Bob Marley. Or maybe Swamp Thing by The Grid.

The debate moderator's intro song should be Nasty Letter by Otis Taylor.

posted by jr on Aug 31, 2015 at 11:21:07 am     #  

Opal

posted by justareviewer on Aug 31, 2015 at 11:35:34 am     #  

POLL FROM TODAY'S BLADE

Which Toledo mayoral hopeful do you plan on voting for?
Mike Bell. 24%
Sandy Drabik Collins. 12%
Opal Covey. 8%
Mike Ferner. 3%
Carty Finkbeiner. 35%
Paula Hicks-Hudson. 12%
Sandy Spang. 5%
Total votes: 1854

posted by justareviewer on Aug 31, 2015 at 11:44:49 am     #  

...carty is winning...

that's.... uh...

yeah. okay. sure. awesome, toledo. big thumbs up.

/head+desk

posted by endcycle on Sep 01, 2015 at 09:52:34 am     #   2 people liked this

There's that quote that is attributed to Einstein (whether that's accurate or not, who knows) that pretty much sums up the situation - "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

posted by dell_diva on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:11:22 am     #   3 people liked this

I don't live in Toledo. I plan on having a glass of bourbon while pointing and laughing at the idiots in Toledo.

My crystal ball is showing Carty in a landslide victory, with Ed Emery coming in a distant third.

posted by madjack on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:38:36 am     #   1 person liked this

well, the golden goose that was the democratic party now appears to be dead. the endorsed incumbent democrat can muster only 12% of the vote, does not seem to have strong serious staff of her own people around her, and barely has any presence on the internet and absolutely none zero nada presence at all in the mailbox.

the party in-fighting over the years between A and B team combined with elected officials, especially in county offices who abandoned the city after they took us into financial crisis as members of city council, much more focused on getting their OPERS years of service in rather than focusing on great public policy, creating coalitions of sympathetic voter groups, or mentoring the next generation of leaders has left toledo with nothing more than centers of power based on individual personalities or union affiliation.

in the city, this is obviously reflected in the choices for mayor and in such a weak city council that in order to prove their relevance try to seize the power away from the plan commission. pete ujvagi must look at this situation he is stepping back into with no small amount of dismay.

within the democratic party the splits appear to be the progressives, the black community, broadly 2 groups of unions hostile to each other, and then personalities like carty.

you saw this split coming when wilkowski, a strong progressive intellectual elite lefty type, could not not get the black vote despite having been the earliest and biggest advocate for barrack obama nor the broad union vote despite being an attorney representing unions AND having done so much work for the party on voter protection.

in county offices this manifests itself in fiefdoms of highly paranoid, isolated, finger to the wind types who all operate largely free and independent of each other as kind of independent "brands".  but also is seen in county officials who keep silent and dont attempt to unify the party lest they offend a union or the blade.

an organized republican party putting up a strong slate of candidates and frankly weeding out the weaker democrats would be helpful for everyone but with stainbrook around and a general apathy toward politics from the party, that appears a long way off. instead the continued downward spiral and eventual collapse appears likely.... or is here now.

the fight for power within the city toledo is a bit futile because there is so little ability in the short run to make a difference with budgets constrained and such confusion reining over what direction yet another mayor will move the city. and honestly, do carty or bell seem likely to stick around and run again in 2 years. i think not ... carty stepped away 6 years ago and bell ran such a weak half-hearted campaign 2 years ago it was clear he was bored by the job.

and so the prospect is very strong that we will have yet another mayor come 2017... that will be 5 in just over four years (assuming these numbers hold up) and that we will flounder for several more years as we re-shuffle and re-prioritize. YIKES

madjack... can you spare a glass for me to cry into

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:45:46 am     #   2 people liked this

those poll numbers are from the blade's informal side bar daily question. not an actual poll right?

posted by upso on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:54:38 am     #  

upso posted at 11:54:38 AM on Sep 01, 2015:

those poll numbers are from the blade's informal side bar daily question. not an actual poll right?

Correct. It's a collection of <2000 unique IP addresses that took the time to actually find the poll and vote in it.

posted by clt212 on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:00:20 am     #  

dell_diva posted at 11:11:22 AM on Sep 01, 2015:

There's that quote that is attributed to Einstein (whether that's accurate or not, who knows) that pretty much sums up the situation - "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Yes - well, that perfectly describes most Toledo and Lucas County voters.

posted by Foodie on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:06:39 pm     #  

and so the prospect is very strong that we will have yet another mayor come 2017... that will be 5 in just over four years

Half of the currently 6 candidates have already been Mayor at least once. So, we could have one guy elected 3 times in 5 years (Bell), 4 times in 20 something years (Carty) or Even more improbably-someone serving 3 pieces of different terms, and elected to only 2 of those (PHH). It's tough to judge the job Hudson has done, and it will be equally difficult to judge the job the next person does.

The best thing that could happen to this city, and this is a total "no shit" statement-Find someone that most people like, that is young enough to stick around for a while without controversy and get stuff done. Serve 3 or 4 consecutive terms and have a legacy.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:04:19 pm     #   1 person liked this

Foodie posted at 01:06:39 PM on Sep 01, 2015:
dell_diva posted at 11:11:22 AM on Sep 01, 2015:

There's that quote that is attributed to Einstein (whether that's accurate or not, who knows) that pretty much sums up the situation - "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Yes - well, that perfectly describes most Toledo and Lucas County voters.

Actually it perfectly describes liberals and about 50% of republicans.

posted by MIJeff on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:22:45 pm     #   1 person liked this

From EnjoyEverySandwich: madjack... can you spare a glass for me to cry into

For you? Sure. I'll even throw in a bar towel so you don't dillute pollute cry into the bourbon.

The obvious problem with Toledo government and the elections that got Toledoans to this point is a definite lack of qualified candidates. That, in turn, is caused by a lack of city resources coupled to a bad economy.

Consider Detroit. If Toledo is a gravel pit, Detroit is a scrap yard. Just how do you think Detroit got a mayor like Kwame Kilpatrick anyway? The real answer is that no one cares. There isn't anything to be mayor of in Detroit, and Toledo is much the same way. It isn't so much as who could do the job, because as it sits right now even an emotionally dysfunctional, intellectually challenged senior citizen can be mayor and not be recalled due to monumental incompetence.

The situation is a catch-22. No one who's qualified will run for the office and get themselves elected, and why should they? What would you actually do if you were elected mayor? Besides resigning and moving out of town, I mean. And if you're a white male over 55, the majority of the city council is going to hate you on SJW principles. You'd need to be a gay black feminazi with a transgender administrative assistant to gain cooperation of the council - they wouldn't dare oppose you because you could scream discrimination and bully them into resigning. But even if such a person could be found, what would they do in office? What could turn the city around?

Even if I, personally, were elected I wouldn't want the job. It's a no-win proposition.

posted by madjack on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:23:08 pm     #  

enjoyeverysandwich said

"the endorsed incumbent democrat does not seem to have strong serious staff of her own people around her, and barely has any presence on the internet and absolutely none zero nada presence at all in the mailbox."


The PH2 campaign will probably kick into high gear in October.

Paula Hicks-Hudson is the officially endorsed democrat candidate, and PH2 has support from the Ohio democrat establishment, which views a PH2 victory this November as helpful for the 2016 presidential election in Ohio.

Aug 23, 2015 Tom Troy story titled With packed field, marijuana vote, anything could happen

Ms. Hicks-Hudson goes into the election with an Ohio Democratic Party determined to do everything it can to regain the office for an endorsed Democrat after two elections won by political independents.

The state party is helping to pay for a full-time manager for Ms. Hicks-Hudson, experienced Columbus operative Ernie Davis, and the campaign is planning to spend at least $300,000. That will pay for a flood of direct mail advertising and television advertising.

She is holding fund-raisers that could include high-profile state politicians like U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D., Ohio) and former state Sen. Nina Turner (D., Cleveland).

“This is important and for a lot of reasons for the Ohio Democratic Party, to make sure we have a truly Democratic elected mayor,” Mr. Davis said, adding that having a Democrat as mayor will be important to winning Ohio for the 2016 presidential and U.S. Senate elections.

PH2 has the backing from people who don't give a damn about Toledo. But it's politics, and all politicians, including Paula Hack-Hudson, won't decline big money.

Assuming that PH2's Wikipedia page is correct, Mayor Hicks-Hudson has participated in one November election.

In November 2011, Paula Hicks-Hudson won the District 4 Toledo city council seat.

Paula Hicks-Hudson : 5,062 votes : 70.87%
Anita Rios : 2,081 votes : 29.13%

In 2013, her council colleagues voted for [PH2] to replace council President Joe McNamara when he resigned to run for mayor.

After Mayor Collins passed away, the city council president became mayor, per the Toledo city charter.

In a roundabout way, PH2 became mayor of Toledo with only 5,062 votes.

With big money support from the state party in a free-for-all mayoral election, PH2 has a shot at winning when only a small number of votes are needed for victory.

The Ohio democrat party plans to spend at least $300,000 on Paula Hicks-Hudson's campaign. With that kind of warchest, will PH2 need to do any fundraising? If she does raise some money on her own, "her" campaign may spend between $350,000 and $400,000 this fall.

How does that compare to the fall of 2013, only two years ago?

Oct 24, 2013 Blade story

Mr. Bell reported spending $178,312 in the period Aug. 22 through Oct. 16. Mr. Collins spent $37,310 in the same period.

Combined with the money he carried over from the previous report, that left Mr. Bell with $11,432 cash in his campaign account as of Oct. 16, compared with $59,391 for Mr. Collins.

I don't know what the final expenditures were for the Bell-Collins election, but obviously, the Ohio democrat party is serious about PH2 winning.

Hicks-Hudson in 2015 may spend more than Bell-Collins combined spent in 2013. The PH2 campaign may spend more than most of this year's candidates combined.

posted by jr on Sep 02, 2015 at 07:12:33 am     #  

Paula Hicks Hudson wants to be the candidate bought and paid for by Columbus. Who will she ultimately be beholden to? Those who financed her campaign.

posted by MemyselfandI on Sep 02, 2015 at 08:32:37 am     #   1 person liked this

Just how do you think Detroit got a mayor like Kwame Kilpatrick anyway?

Well, people care in Detroit now. He'd never get elected today. Sometimes you just need to hit rock bottom. They were trending down, they (apathy) elected him, then they saw how it actually could be worse. Hitting rock bottom kills apathy. The turnout this year in Toledo will be interesting. It's possible, the population views Toledo as having already hit rock bottom and with this field, there is opportunity to hit rock bottom again. I think the wild card are the Unions. With 6 candidates, unless they throw their entire strength behind 1, the fragmentation may let Bell slip through without any Union support. I'm guessing PHH or Collins will get the Union support. If they pick just one of those, it may be over already.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 02, 2015 at 09:07:37 am     #  

I sure hope the union vote is fragmented and always remains so, otherwise Toledo will never change. I see union power as a very big part of Toledo's problems.

But do note that Sean Enright has endorsed Carty, though I gather that locals under his umbrella can, and hopefully will, make their own endorsements.

I would have expected they'd go for PHH, who they can control like a puppet.

posted by Bandito on Sep 02, 2015 at 10:03:48 am     #  

Bandito posted at 11:03:48 AM on Sep 02, 2015:

I sure hope the union vote is fragmented and always remains so, otherwise Toledo will never change. I see union power as a very big part of Toledo's problems.

But do note that Sean Enright has endorsed Carty, though I gather that locals under his umbrella can, and hopefully will, make their own endorsements.

I would have expected they'd go for PHH, who they can control like a puppet.

They'd have gone for PH2 in a heartbeat - had she not stood by Santiago.

posted by Foodie on Sep 02, 2015 at 10:45:14 am     #  

Aug 29, 2015 Toledo Blade story about Carty's announcement event that occurred last Saturday:

Mr. Finkbeiner ... The unendorsed Democrat had two Toledo city councilmen and the representatives of three union organizations on hand.


Again, from the Aug 23, 2015 Blade story:

The state party is helping to pay for a full-time manager for Ms. Hicks-Hudson, experienced Columbus operative Ernie Davis ...

Ernie Davis's twitter feed.

His past experience includes:

  • Campaign Assistant - Strickland for Senate
  • Democratic Chief of Staff - Ohio Senate
  • Executive Director - Ohio Association of State Liquor Agencies
[PH2] is holding fund-raisers that could include high-profile state politicians like U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D., Ohio) and former state Sen. Nina Turner (D., Cleveland).

Former Ohio governor Ted Strickland appeared at PH2's official mayoral candidacy announcement that was held yesterday.

Sep 1 Tom Troy tweet

Ted Strickland expected here at Teamsters local 20 hall for Paula Hicks-Hudson rally.

Tweets by others

# - Ted Strickland speaking at PH2's event.


#


PH2 has the heavy hitters in her corner.

Tom Troy tweet

Former Gov Strickland reminds crowd that Paula Hicks-Hudson was in his admin (chief legal counsel in bud off)

And that means what, exactly?

Former Toledo mayor and current mayoral candidate Mike Bell was also associated with Strickland's administration when Ted was the democrat governor of Ohio.

In 2007 [Mike Bell] was appointed as State Fire Marshal by Ohio Governor Ted Strickland.


More Tom Troy tweets that are about what PH2 said yesterday.

#

@phh4Toledo says others making promises but "city doesn't have $ to the checks" for those promises. Her only promise - safe, livable city.

Right. Because a vague promise like "safe, livable city" costs no money.


#

At Teamsters hall rally @phh4Toledo says she'll appoint a dedicated public safety director.

At zero cost?


#

@phh4Toledo says she's going to have law dept hunt down & sue those who polluted Lake Erie.

That promise won't cost money?

Mariner started a thread about this disturbing idea.

Excerpts from a Sep 2, 2015 Blade story

Ms. Hicks-Hudson vowed to appoint a special counsel to sue those whose pollution is forcing city water users to fund new treatment and security procedures.

“The people of Toledo did not create this problem and they should not bear the burden of fixing it,” Ms. Hicks-Hudson said.

Wow. This looks like nothing more than a scary money grab for PH2's version of Toledo.

This is yet another reason why the outlying communities will never trust Toledo officials when the concepts of unigov and regionalism are discussed. It's always another community's responsibility to pay for Toledo's self-inflicted problems.

I thought that it was impossible to out-asshole Carty, but the Toledo Pride Parade grand marshal Obergefell succeeded in doing that last Saturday.

I thought that it was impossible to out-derange Carty, but Paula Hicks-Hudson has succeeded in doing that yesterday.

It's stunning. By accident, others are going to make Carty appear to be a worthwhile mayoral candidate.

Communities like Oregon and Port Clinton also draw their tap water from Lake Erie, but are they planning to hunt down and sue polluters? If they do, they could start by filing lawsuits against the city of Toledo.

The city of Toledo (80 square miles) is a major Lake Erie polluter because of a broken sewer system that allows raw sewage to spill into our rivers and streams. The city provides data to support this. But I understand that this fact is lost on PH2 since it appears that utilities director Ed Moore believes that our sewer system handles all heavy rainfalls. That's why Hacks-Hudson gave the incompetent Moore a significant pay raise.

PH2 will need to sue all the shitters and pissers in Toledo and in the rest of the Maumee River watershed. And she'll definitely need to sue everyone in charge of maintaining our sewers.

While the farmers get most of the blame, lawn chemicals have been cited as a small contributing factor to Lake Erie's problems.

I expect PH2's new gestapo to sue every homeowner, business, landlord, and landscape company that is spreading toxic chemicals.

And if PH2 is elected mayor, she should work to outlaw lawn chemicals in Toledo. Shared sacrifice. We all need to do our part to clean up Lake Erie.

April 2015 Blade op-ed

The study calls for greater controls on the use of commercial fertilizers, on lawns as well as farms.

It seeks stricter regulation of discharges into Lake Erie by large municipal sewage treatment plants and storm-water systems.

Yo, PH2, look inward. Before hunting down the polluters in the outlying areas, you might want to focus on TOLEDO's significant contributions to Lake Erie's problems. Hell, simply employing competent people would be a massive first positive step. And probably a lot cheaper than employing bounty hunters.

As Mariner wrote this morning:

The brain numbing response is for the city itself to hold up a mirror first, put it's own house in order, then worry about the small violators.


Earlier this year, I thought that this mayoral election would be a snoozer, but it may turn out to be the whopper of wackiness.

The Lake Erie thing is a waste of time, in my opinion. The Toledo mayor will do little to correct something that has been growing for the last 20 years if not longer. And the "problem" involves a region that includes northwest Ohio and southeast Michigan and maybe more.

Too many governments. Too many businesses. Too many special interests. Too many lobbyists. Too many screwballs.

But unfortunately, "water" will be a major political distraction this fall, thanks to last year's alleged crisis in Toledo.

Why didn't the Toledo political turdsticks begin saving money and repairing our sewers 20 to 30 years ago? Even back then, they knew that our infrastructure was old.

If rubes choose a mayor based upon the best H2O idea, well then ... whatever.

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet Tooth Tony

posted by jr on Sep 02, 2015 at 12:49:57 pm     #   8 people liked this

Sep 17, 2015 - Toledo Blade - Ferner promotes plan to fix Toledo streets

Standing in the middle of Collingwood Boulevard to promote his plan to “fix the damn streets,” mayoral candidate Mike Ferner today said ...

I suppose that's better than fix the f*cking roads.

posted by jr on Sep 17, 2015 at 07:25:04 pm     #  

Yeah, using the f-word on a campaign sign whilst doing a pressie probably wouldn't go over well at all, and "gaddam" would still be too edgy; but "damn" works fine.

posted by Bandito on Sep 17, 2015 at 11:48:26 pm     #  

I would have preferred "fucking" on the signs. He's a longshot - might as well try to make a splash.

posted by endcycle on Sep 18, 2015 at 08:33:01 am     #   1 person liked this

Should he be cited for being on the street, in traffic ??/

posted by Hoops on Sep 18, 2015 at 10:55:56 am     #  

endcycle posted at 09:33:01 AM on Sep 18, 2015:

I would have preferred "fucking" on the signs. He's a longshot - might as well try to make a splash.

Longshot? The sheeple just gave Ujvagi another grab at the brass ring. Don't count Ferner out. Looney or not doesn't seem to matter much to Toledo voters.

posted by Foodie on Sep 18, 2015 at 12:07:25 pm     #  

Should he be cited for being on the street, in traffic ??/

! posted by Hoops on Sep 18, 2015 at 11:55:56 am

I think this is a wee bit different than Carty obstructing traffic on major thoroughfares during rush hours.

That section of northbound traffic on Collingwood has no through-traffic with the connection to Cherry still being closed due to construction. (Though I believe the soutbound from Cherry to Collingwood just reopened.)

What's next? I hope nobody is going to call for econcat88 to be cited for some of his videos.

posted by Bandito on Sep 18, 2015 at 01:38:56 pm     #  

The first candidates forum or debate is scheduled for Wed, Sep 23, 2015 from 6:30 to 8:00 p.m. It will be sponsored by The Blade and the University of Toledo.

The debate will occur at UT without an audience.

For viewers, it will be an internet-only debate, live-streamed at toledoblade.com and somewhere on YouTube.

Opal Covey was not invited to participate.

You can suggest questions.

Toledo Blade tweet

@toledonews, @UToledo to host #Toledo mayoral debate Sept. 23. Have questions for candidates? Use #BladeUTDebate
(Without Opal Covey)

posted by jr on Sep 18, 2015 at 05:32:29 pm     #   2 people liked this

She's a certified candidate for mayor is she not?

Why shouldn't she be a participant? Has Ferner been invited?

I'd submit he has a much higher whacko factor than Opal.

posted by Foodie on Sep 18, 2015 at 07:54:48 pm     #   2 people liked this

The better question is, why should she be a participant?

posted by Bandito on Sep 18, 2015 at 10:21:27 pm     #  

Yes, all of the other candidates will participate on Sep 23.

Opal has been invited to attend the second debate, which is sponsored by The Blade and Channel 13. That debate will be held on October 28.

Since the Blade is involved in both debates, and since Opal has been invited to the second one, then maybe it was the University of Toledo who kiboshed Opal. That makes sense. Can't have diversity of thought on a university.

It seems wacky that a debate held at a public university would be closed to one of the candidates who met the board of elections' requirements to appear on the November ballot.

I wonder if they teach this kind of close-minded horsehshit at the University of Toledo. Pretty damn embarrassing for a SCHOOL.

Even if it was the Blade's idea to exclude Opal, the public university that probably fancies itself as being progressive should have overruled and claimed that it's all about being inclusive.

Why is the University of Toledo engaging in bigotry?

bigotry: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

It's fascinating to watch people who preach tolerance eventually become as intolerant as the people who they have railed against for so long.

"I want to force others to accept my brand of tolerance." - The Enlightened Mob

The first debate without Opal will occur inside the University of Toledo’s Doermann Theatre.

The second debate with Opal will occur in the studio of WGTE-TV, Channel 30.

The Blade story fails to mention who decided to exclude Opal from the first debate and why. It doesn't matter. It will be held at a public university, and it seems that the process is discriminatory.

Opal has magnitudes more courage than can I dream of having. I can only imagine that it must be extremely taxing to enter the public eye as a political candidate while jackals like me take potshots.

It terrifies me to speak in front of only a handful of people, which is probably why I easily gravitated toward internet message boards long ago.

I admire anyone who can public-speak with ease in front of a crowd. I've seen Opal do this. No way in hell could I do it.

Opal has conviction. Her ideas may be a "bit out there" but so what? In my opinion, some disturbing ideas have already been advanced by Carty, Paula, and Ferner, but I don't believe that they should be banned from a debate.

"You will do better in Toledo if you meet our approval."

Sep 18, 2015 Toledo Blade letter to the editor:

Not extending an invitation to Ms. Covey to take part in the Sept. 23 Internet debate among mayoral candidates sponsored by the University of Toledo and The Blade is unfair, discriminatory, and bullying by exclusion.

What if a student or an org at the University of Toledo was found to be "unfair, discriminatory, and bullying by exclusion." Would the university levy disciplinary action against the offender?

The people making the decisions for this first debate, I wonder how they protect their knuckles as they drag them across the ground.

posted by jr on Sep 18, 2015 at 10:24:43 pm     #   4 people liked this

Good point that a following debate sponsored by the Blade does include the Opal, but the first one involving UT doesn't.

posted by Bandito on Sep 18, 2015 at 10:30:57 pm     #  

Bandito posted at 11:21:27 PM on Sep 18, 2015:

The better question is, why should she be a participant?

Basically, because the prior mayor died in office, creating an open field without a primary. Therefore, she's a candidate, on the ballot, and there is no reasonable justification for excluding her, regardless of your opinion of her beliefs or statements.

If she doesn't represent a majority of the citizens, let that be indicated by the vote.

Next time, there will likely be a primary.

posted by justread on Sep 19, 2015 at 04:09:04 am     #   2 people liked this

@jr:

"It's fascinating to watch people who preach tolerance eventually become as intolerant as the people who they have railed against for so long.

"I want to force others to accept my brand of tolerance." - The Enlightened Mob

Thank you jr. Glad to know there's at least one other person on this planet who sees this.

posted by Foodie on Sep 19, 2015 at 06:03:49 am     #  

Thanks jr, for pointing out the hypocrisy of whomever decided Opal should be excluded. Hopefully, more than a few will keep this in mind the next time the Blade or UT gets on their high horse about someone/some group not being inclusive enough in their vaunted opinions.

posted by Foodie on Sep 19, 2015 at 06:09:47 am     #   2 people liked this

A quick read of:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris/2015/10/06/Meanwhile-behind-the-curtain.htm.

This calls to the front the architect of the Point Place zoning conflict as none other than Mike Bell's former chief of staff aka Niccolo Macheaveli, he who brought Toledo the wonderful and inglorious Exigent Circumstances and all the delightful ramifications of that device. The same 1950's modus operandi of wrap it up in legalese, double-speak served with a pate of obfuscation and you are assured of achieving your objective at the expense of the common good. Mike Bell should have chosen his friends better. Wonder if time and distance has changed that.

posted by Mariner on Oct 06, 2015 at 07:14:01 am     #  

Jerry Springer: "I've ruined the culture." We are known by who our friends are: Paula Hicks-Hudson, Pete Gerken,
Theresa Fedor, Steven Steel, Yvonne Harper, Peter Ujvagi.

posted by Mariner on Oct 08, 2015 at 08:18:08 am     #  

and the Bell keeps ringing.....

Fresh from coming in second in Toledo’s seven-way mayoral election, former Toledo fire Chief and Mayor Mike Bell today confirmed he is collecting signatures to run against Lucas County Commissioner Pete Gerken next year.
Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/12/03/Bell-collecting-signatures-for-Lucas-County-post.html

posted by justareviewer on Dec 03, 2015 at 04:56:19 pm     #  

justareviewer posted at 04:56:19 PM on Dec 03, 2015:

and the Bell keeps ringing.....

Fresh from coming in second in Toledo’s seven-way mayoral election, former Toledo fire Chief and Mayor Mike Bell today confirmed he is collecting signatures to run against Lucas County Commissioner Pete Gerken next year.
Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/12/03/Bell-collecting-signatures-for-Lucas-County-post.html

How dare he. Doesn't he know LCC is a lifetime appointment? And certainly not for a man who frequents places where alcohol is served and women are highly offended...

posted by oldhometown on Dec 03, 2015 at 06:10:45 pm     #  

He really think he is going to defeat a Jeep guy? HA.

I like what they did back in my county in Oklahoma. They took the county and divided it equally (population wise) into 3 districts. Each County Commissioner then ran for a specific district and only that district voted. That way that person would be from that area, focused on the needs of that area, and have to answer to those people. Whereas here you are lucky to get anyone that isn't somewhat connected with Toledo politics and the union machine.

Here the rough idea would probably be take Us 23 and west and make that District 1. Between US 23 and I-75 and make that District 2. Then east of I-75 District 3. Each district has unique features about it that would have different needs. D1 is going to be more rural with more county dependence. D2 would be your core urban areas. D3 would be the lakefront and seaport, as well as more rural areas again.

Of course I don't really think that idea would go anywhere. Much like reducing the number of council seats in Toledo.

posted by JustaSooner on Dec 03, 2015 at 11:53:28 pm     #  

To my knowledge, Mike Bell has never been a registered Republican. Jon and his gang can endorse whomever they like. But there are rules dictating who can appear on the ballot as the nominee of a party.

posted by MemyselfandI on Dec 04, 2015 at 11:43:51 am     #  

Look up the definition of a bought and paid for political hack and you'll find Gerken's photo.

I'd love to see Mike unseat him. Won't happen in this county of the uninformed but man, oh man, would I take joy in it.

posted by Foodie on Dec 04, 2015 at 01:06:28 pm     #  

MemyselfandI posted at 11:43:51 AM on Dec 04, 2015:

To my knowledge, Mike Bell has never been a registered Republican. Jon and his gang can endorse whomever they like. But there are rules dictating who can appear on the ballot as the nominee of a party.

You're assuming they will enforce the rules. I remember years ago when the Stain was moving to take over the party (or maybe it was his second term), he used newly-registered-never-voted 'kids' as either petition gatherers or precinct chair candidates as 'Republicans' and when it was challenged, the clear language that said you had to be a registered Republican was ignored.

I did check Bell's voting record - sorry, it is public record - the last primary he voted in was in 2012 and he pulled issues only; he voted D in 2008, but that was the only partisan ballot he pulled in the 15 year history his voting record had online.

I was thinking Mark Davis wasn't a registered Republican when he ran as a Republican, but now that I think about it, that was a judge race so it was technically non-partisan.

Oh, here's one - Kevin Haddad was a registered independent (voted R in in 2010 but pulled issues only in 2011 which technically un-registered him as a Republican) until he pulled a Republican ballot when he was on the ballot for county commissioner in 2014 as a Republican.

posted by MsArcher on Dec 04, 2015 at 02:06:17 pm     #  

Soooooo........the "sanctity" of the voting booth is a myth?

posted by Foodie on Dec 04, 2015 at 03:01:17 pm     #  

As I understand it, any member of the Republican Central Committee can challenge Bell being listed as a Republican on the ballot.

Jack Ford did this to someone to get them off the ballot as a Democrat. I don't recall who.

posted by MemyselfandI on Dec 04, 2015 at 03:22:39 pm     #  

Foodie posted at 03:01:17 PM on Dec 04, 2015:

Soooooo........the "sanctity" of the voting booth is a myth?

You can't find out how they voted, but you can see when they voted and if they pulled a partisan ballot in a primary election. You used to be able to see when they voted absentee but I didn't see that in the voter database that is available online now.

posted by MsArcher on Dec 04, 2015 at 03:28:44 pm     #  

MemyselfandI posted at 03:22:39 PM on Dec 04, 2015:

As I understand it, any member of the Republican Central Committee can challenge Bell being listed as a Republican on the ballot.

Jack Ford did this to someone to get them off the ballot as a Democrat. I don't recall who.

In my first response, I typed but then erased "So if Stainbrook wants him on the ballot as a Republican, he'll get on the ballot as a Republican" because I didn't want to be too provocative. Guess I should have left it.

The scenario I recalled went to the Board of Elections and the county prosecutor, and they wouldn't act.

posted by MsArcher on Dec 04, 2015 at 03:32:54 pm     #