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Who gets my mayoral vote?

Pretty sure that I will base my choice for mayor on who the unions would least like to see elected. Who is my candidate?

created by MariaL on Oct 18, 2015 at 02:00:52 pm     Local-Politics     Comments: 86

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That would most certainly be Bell.

posted by upso on Oct 18, 2015 at 03:18:27 pm     #  

Definitely Bell. Who I plan on voting for but for other reasons

posted by jamesteroh on Oct 18, 2015 at 06:54:41 pm     #  

Absolutely Mike Bell but not for the reason you mention. Mike is a good guy that I trust to do the right thing - as he did before.

posted by Foodie on Oct 18, 2015 at 07:37:18 pm     #  

Sandy Spang?

posted by MariaL on Oct 19, 2015 at 08:47:03 am     #  

I don't know that is a very valid reason not to vote for someone, but if I had to guess, I'd say the list of candidates from most liked to least liked would be:

- PHH
- Collins
- Carty
- Ferner
- Spang
- Bell
- Covey (unless she pledges to use union labor in the construction of the downtown amusement park)

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 19, 2015 at 09:47:04 am     #  

To clarify, you mean most to least liked by the unions, right?

posted by Johio83 on Oct 19, 2015 at 10:31:50 am     #  

So the Blade has endorsed Drabik (or Collins, now that it's politically convenient for her), and unions are split between her, PHH, and Carty.

This really is the best possible scenario for Bell and Spang, since it'll theoretically split up those votes, as opposed to presenting a unified block. One of those two dropping out would give a huge advantage to the other, so as not to Nader the other's Gore.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 19, 2015 at 10:43:07 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 11:31:50 AM on Oct 19, 2015:

To clarify, you mean most to least liked by the unions, right?

Yes. Although I may bump Carty up a spot after today's news that he is being endorsed by the firefighters and a few others. My sense is that it isn't because they want him, but rather they are concerned that he might win and want to be on his good side in that scenario. At least I hope that is the case.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/10/19/Several-unions-endorse-Finkbeiner-for-mayor.html

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 19, 2015 at 12:24:58 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 11:43:07 AM on Oct 19, 2015:

So the Blade has endorsed Drabik (or Collins, now that it's politically convenient for her), and unions are split between her, PHH, and Carty.

This really is the best possible scenario for Bell and Spang, since it'll theoretically split up those votes, as opposed to presenting a unified block. One of those two dropping out would give a huge advantage to the other, so as not to Nader the other's Gore.

Politically convenient...or legally smart if she provided any services to the city before hand. But you know...it is okay to make stupid statements with limited knowledge. :)

posted by JustaSooner on Oct 19, 2015 at 01:04:33 pm     #  

Methinks Carty made promises to the fire union that he will not be able to keep (firing Chief Santiago). Sure he COULD do it, then involve the city in another expensive wrongful termination suit.

As for Sandy's name change, you're talking out your ass about something you know nothing about.

posted by MemyselfandI on Oct 20, 2015 at 10:41:26 am     #  

As for Sandy's name change, you're talking out your ass about something you know nothing about.

Enlighten us. To the casual observer, it appears as though she changed it for the campaign. Not saying that is an evil thing, or that it is completely disconnected from honoring his memory and whatnot. But fact is, she preferred Drabik while Collins was mayor. Now we see the same signs, the same shirts, the same slogan.

I think it is a moot point, because despite her considerable qualifications, education, and experience, she is extremely non-mayoral in her manner, voice, and carriage. If she'd like to serve the city, I think there are roles that she'd be great in. Significant roles. But I still don't see her as mayor.

posted by justread on Oct 20, 2015 at 12:21:07 pm     #  

I don't know that is a very valid reason not to vote for someone, but if I had to guess, I'd say the list of candidates from most liked to least liked would be:

- PHH
- Collins
- Carty
- Ferner
- Spang
- Bell
- Covey (unless she pledges to use union labor in the construction of the downtown amusement park)

! posted by Ace_Face on Oct 19, 2015 at 10:47:04 am

I mostly agree with your assessment about which candidates the unions might prefer. However, I would say that the unions wouldn't be unhappy with Spang, knowing that they could manipulate her at will. While Ferner has a history of supporting unions, they also know that they don't own him.

posted by Bandito on Oct 20, 2015 at 08:41:55 pm     #  

What about Spang's background makes you think unions could "manipulate her at will?'

posted by Johio83 on Oct 21, 2015 at 08:03:59 am     #  

Sandy Drabik Collins' name change was in the works within days of Mike's death. It was much more a part of the grieving process than any political calculation.

And who is to say what is "non-mayoral?"

Sandy won't abuse employees and incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements like Carty.

She won't vandalize the city like Ferner.

She won't dodge big decisions like PHH

She won't balance the budget on the backs of the city's lowest paid while giving pay raises to unqualified cronies like Bell.

She's run something bigger than a coffee shop, unlike Spang.

posted by MemyselfandI on Oct 21, 2015 at 09:58:36 am     #  

The beholder is who says that in their opinion, she is not mayoral. Your opinion may vary. But you aren't mayoral either.

The date of the name change filing is a matter of public record. (April 2, 2015 petition, May 19th hearing.) Her consideration of running, formation of an exploratory committee, and filing of the name change all happened at the same time. She announced her candidacy on May 20, 2015, the day after the name change hearing. You can attempt to de-link them, but it is what it is.

I'd suggest her entire campaign is part of the grieving process. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)

Nice, smart person. And she wouldn't appreciate you making negative and diminishing statements about other candidates on her behalf. She's not like that. Even though she is not mayoral.

posted by justread on Oct 21, 2015 at 10:10:43 am     #  

"But you aren't mayoral either. "

I didn't realize you knew me that well.

"And she wouldn't appreciate you making negative and diminishing statements about other candidates on her behalf."

I didn't realize you knew HER that well.

posted by MemyselfandI on Oct 21, 2015 at 10:53:15 am     #  

It's a small town.

posted by justread on Oct 21, 2015 at 11:01:33 am     #  

I can't believe there are actually people out there who think that Drabik's name change is NOT politically motivated.

posted by dell_diva on Oct 21, 2015 at 11:29:29 am     #  

"I can't believe there are actually people out there who think that Drabik's name change is NOT politically motivated."

And you know this because you were privy to her thinking? Or, are you just spewing nonsense because you equate political cynicism with sagacity?

posted by MemyselfandI on Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40:27 am     #  

"She won't dodge big decisions like PHH".... well, she did a fine job of dodging about every question posed to her last night on Fox Toledo news.

posted by justareviewer on Oct 21, 2015 at 11:43:01 am     #  

All appearances that I get are that her name change was politically motivated, sorry, but that's the impression I get.

posted by MIJeff on Oct 21, 2015 at 11:58:07 am     #  

dell_diva posted at 12:29:29 PM on Oct 21, 2015:

I can't believe there are actually people out there who think that Drabik's name change is NOT politically motivated.

I don't even think it is cynical or critical for a person, even those who intend to vote for her, to make the obvious connection.

The truth is, not only would she not be running for mayor if Mike had not died in office, she wouldn't have changed her name.
Not that there is anything inherently wrong about it. It is what it is. But she's 68, and neither a name change or a mayoral run were on the radar until Mike passed away, and the thought of "finishing what he started" seemed like a very meaningful thing for her to do. She is finding meaning in this, and I don't begrudge her that.

posted by justread on Oct 21, 2015 at 12:04:03 pm     #  

the thought of "finishing what he started" seemed like a very meaningful thing for her to do. She is finding meaning in this, and I don't begrudge her that.

empathy>cynicism. Well done.

posted by ahmahler on Oct 21, 2015 at 01:37:36 pm     #  

I will go with Bell because of his past experiences. I have never trusted anyone with three names.Ex; Hillary Rodham Clinton! She dropped the Rodham just before she ran for the Senate.She hoped that she could ride her Husbands coat tails into political office based on the Clinton name.

posted by buckeye278 on Oct 21, 2015 at 04:17:52 pm     #  

^ Tina Skeldon Wozniak.... LOL

posted by justareviewer on Oct 21, 2015 at 06:48:57 pm     #  

buckeye278 posted at 05:17:52 PM on Oct 21, 2015:

I will go with Bell because of his past experiences. I have never trusted anyone with three names.Ex; Hillary Rodham Clinton! She dropped the Rodham just before she ran for the Senate.She hoped that she could ride her Husbands coat tails into political office based on the Clinton name.

Your argument is invalid. I'd vote for this man any day:

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 21, 2015 at 08:32:57 pm     #  

Bravo , Ace_Face !!

posted by foodie88 on Oct 21, 2015 at 08:35:27 pm     #  

I agree about Collins doing her name change only for political reasons. I've never heard of a woman who insisted on keeping her maiden name through her entire marriage changing it after she is widowed.

posted by classylady on Oct 21, 2015 at 10:05:16 pm     #  

What about Spang's background makes you think unions could "manipulate her at will?'

! posted by Johio83 on Oct 21, 2015 at 09:03:59 am

It's not her background, but her record, which suggests that she will follow the money. Also, it would take a pretty strong, independent mayor who doesn't give a fuck about their political future to stand against the union forces, and the downtown business cabal, for that matter.

No, she'll get along just fine with the unions, the Blade, Randy Oostra, and the rest of the gang.

posted by Bandito on Oct 21, 2015 at 10:55:10 pm     #  

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mre6xTJ5K2A

The first mayoral debate. Anybody know where to find any others?

posted by Johio83 on Oct 22, 2015 at 10:31:53 am     #  

I wonder if the Republican party endorsement of Bell will hurt him or help him.

posted by classylady on Oct 22, 2015 at 10:55:45 am     #  

classylady posted at 11:55:45 AM on Oct 22, 2015:

I wonder if the Republican party endorsement of Bell will hurt him or help him.


I don't see how it can help. I doubt the LCGOP will spend any money or commit volunteers to elect Bell.

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 22, 2015 at 06:39:31 pm     #  

Well... There are probably more republicans within the city limits than jolust those who volunteer for the LCGOP. Having the left vote split between Carty, Collins, PHH, and Ferner, a GOP endorsement more or less means an entire political block can vote for a single choice.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 22, 2015 at 06:54:01 pm     #  

Damn lack of edit. Jolust = just, obviously.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 22, 2015 at 06:54:49 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 07:54:01 PM on Oct 22, 2015:

Well... There are probably more republicans within the city limits than jolust those who volunteer for the LCGOP. Having the left vote split between Carty, Collins, PHH, and Ferner, a GOP endorsement more or less means an entire political block can vote for a single choice.

I don't know that there are too many people sitting around waiting for The Stain to tell them who to vote for.

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 22, 2015 at 07:34:10 pm     #  

The first mayoral debate. Anybody know where to find any others?

! posted by Johio83 on Oct 22, 2015

I think this may be the complete video of the "Conversations" event from Wednesday the 21st.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bPJgVWVDBA&feature=youtu.be

If not, try this link and navigate further:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/10/21/Live-streamed-event-scheduled-at-UT-today.html

posted by Bandito on Oct 22, 2015 at 08:35:47 pm     #  

Ace_Face posted at 08:34:10 PM on Oct 22, 2015:
Johio83 posted at 07:54:01 PM on Oct 22, 2015:

Well... There are probably more republicans within the city limits than jolust those who volunteer for the LCGOP. Having the left vote split between Carty, Collins, PHH, and Ferner, a GOP endorsement more or less means an entire political block can vote for a single choice.

I don't know that there are too many people sitting around waiting for The Stain to tell them who to vote for.

I'll bet he thinks there are...

posted by oldhometown on Oct 22, 2015 at 09:27:50 pm     #  

is last night's debate hosted anywhere? anyone watch it?

posted by upso on Oct 23, 2015 at 02:24:18 pm     #  

Some food for thought or a political croissant with your coffee if you will. At no time in the many recent forums, (debates?) has the question arisen of the one candidate who appears to have an active business payroll, seems to be the only candidate as such, as to what is the minority composition of employment for all of the candidate's business concerns. That practice and perspective in a time of heightened racial complexity might contain an insight as to the advisability to govern a municipality as diverse as Toledo. Which brings up the question: after springboarding from a City grant for facade improvement on a parcel of property in the city, having success with that effort, where were the proceeds then invested? Returned to the city in gratitude for the help or exported across the river to a different city where the grass is seemed to be more plush. The repetition of phraseology such as "data driven," "priority based budget," and real estate phrase "first position," convey a recent buzz word usage of a freshly scrubbed face from a business school. Can you spell, smell over complication? We will find a metric which will do that for you. It is one thing to baffle with bullshit and another to be in the line of fire where the bullets of negotiation fly and the knives of contractual ink slash and flash. One learns quickly not to quiver, grow weak in the knees, use the word um repeatedly, nor blink first. Carty has performed in the rugged terrain and remains steadfast. If it were possible to extract the finest qualities from all the candidates we would have one heckuva mayor. Since that is out of the range of possibility Carty is by far the last man standing...and standing tall.

posted by Mariner on Oct 24, 2015 at 05:37:20 am     #  

Mariner, congrats on passing AP English. I'll address your two points here:

Sandy Spang got a grant to renovate her building in Toledo. What do you mean, what did she do with the proceeds, return them or take them across the river? She used them to renovate her building (the only thing you can donwoth a facade grant), which is now the home to several tax-paying Toledo businesses. That's why the grants are investments because the city now has multiple new revenue producing entities that it may not have otherwise had. And heaven forbid she use terms like priority based budget. That must somehow mean she isn't qualified, regardless of the fact that she alone in this discussion can say she understands how to balance the books to keep a business afloat. Carty just leaves $48 million dollar holes in his budgets to be paid with tax revenues.

Second, Carty remains steadfast? Yeah, you mean the same mayor who has been in command of the city for three teems - twelve years - and seen the population drop by almost 50 thousand people? Yeah, let's see if maybe the fourth time's the charm with this guy, huh?

posted by Johio83 on Oct 24, 2015 at 07:19:08 am     #  

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 24, 2015 at 08:18:51 am     #  

All I can say, Mariner, is that if you saw what I saw, and heard what I heard, up close and personal with Carty, you'd feel differently.

posted by MemyselfandI on Oct 24, 2015 at 04:52:12 pm     #  

Why would anyone vote the same regurgitated candidates back into office that basically accomplished nothing when they held the office? Cause they love Toledo so much? Yeah right. Easy money. Put a different face in there and see what they can do.

posted by reggie on Oct 25, 2015 at 05:13:26 am     #  

Ace_Face posted at 09:18:51 AM on Oct 24, 2015:

Is that Donna Owens from the Doug DeGood debate?

posted by justread on Oct 25, 2015 at 05:28:07 am     #  

Mariner posted at 06:37:20 AM on Oct 24, 2015:

Some food for thought or a political croissant with your coffee if you will. At no time in the many recent forums, (debates?) has the question arisen of the one candidate who appears to have an active business payroll, seems to be the only candidate as such, as to what is the minority composition of employment for all of the candidate's business concerns. That practice and perspective in a time of heightened racial complexity might contain an insight as to the advisability to govern a municipality as diverse as Toledo. Which brings up the question: after springboarding from a City grant for facade improvement on a parcel of property in the city, having success with that effort, where were the proceeds then invested? Returned to the city in gratitude for the help or exported across the river to a different city where the grass is seemed to be more plush. The repetition of phraseology such as "data driven," "priority based budget," and real estate phrase "first position," convey a recent buzz word usage of a freshly scrubbed face from a business school. Can you spell, smell over complication? We will find a metric which will do that for you. It is one thing to baffle with bullshit and another to be in the line of fire where the bullets of negotiation fly and the knives of contractual ink slash and flash. One learns quickly not to quiver, grow weak in the knees, use the word um repeatedly, nor blink first. Carty has performed in the rugged terrain and remains steadfast. If it were possible to extract the finest qualities from all the candidates we would have one heckuva mayor. Since that is out of the range of possibility Carty is by far the last man standing...and standing tall.

What an interesting if not puissant political pastry.
I thought I would have more questions. But I guess I can distill them down to two: If we could extract the finest qualities from all of the candidates, how big of a vial would we need?

If we could extract all the annoying qualities from all of the candidates, would Carty be in the extraction room the longest?

posted by justread on Oct 25, 2015 at 05:54:51 am     #  

I vote for Zombie Opal

posted by INeedCoffee on Oct 25, 2015 at 11:52:33 pm     #  

This one would have definitely received a "Like"

LOL !

posted by shamrock44 on Oct 26, 2015 at 06:57:00 am     #  

At this point, I'm glad it's just a two-year term. None of these candidates has me leaping for joy.

Or speaking in tongues, for that matter.

posted by Anniecski on Oct 26, 2015 at 08:57:16 am     #  

Opal goes nationwide

posted by daddyg on Oct 26, 2015 at 02:37:11 pm     #  

Oh, thank you , daddyg.

Now that's entertainment !

posted by foodie88 on Oct 26, 2015 at 03:50:29 pm     #  

foodie88 posted at 04:50:29 PM on Oct 26, 2015:

Oh, thank you , daddyg.

Now that's entertainment !

Just trying to do my part!

posted by daddyg on Oct 26, 2015 at 06:05:57 pm     #  

Gino's, like White Castle, gives me immediate heartburn. I used to like Cottage Inn quite a bit, but the one on Heatherdowns became East of Chicago, which is pretty decent. I've had Village Idiot before and agree it is extremely good.

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 26, 2015 at 06:19:37 pm     #  

Whoops, wrong thread.

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 26, 2015 at 06:20:31 pm     #  

I think this Blade article is very telling. I hope like hell Carty doesn't win, but he is running circles around the other candidates. That plus name recognition might just be enough.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/10/25/Ground-game-on-for-Toledo-mayor.html

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 26, 2015 at 06:52:27 pm     #  

From the Blade piece that Ace_Face posted:

"Running the receptionist desk is Taneka Lawson, 21, a University of Toledo political science student getting college internship credits for participating in a political campaign.

“Friends from church who worked on Mike’s campaign talked to me. I got in touch with the campaign and they agreed to let me intern,” Ms. Lawson said. She has to put in 120 hours, time she spends answering the phone, doing research, attending events, and taking notes."

Sorry, but college students majoring in political science should be studying political science, not garnering academic credits for working for a candidate (ANY candidate) in a political campaign to gain office.

posted by Bandito on Oct 26, 2015 at 11:11:51 pm     #  

How exactly do you propose that she get credit for an internship without actually doing an internship?

There's a difference between academic course requirements and receiving credit for an internship that aligns with your career objective.

It's not like she gets to skip out on a required class to volunteer for the campaign. That's not how an academic program works.

posted by mom2 on Oct 26, 2015 at 11:43:20 pm     #  

Sorry, but college students majoring in political science should be studying political science, not garnering academic credits for working for a candidate (ANY candidate) in a political campaign to gain office.

She's garnering internship credits. For her internship. Her internship is in addition to her classes, not instead of. This is extra. I'm thankful that when I went to college, all I had to do was go to class. They make high school and college kids actually get involved in things that will provide valuable insight into some aspect of their proposed field now. I know, it's crazy.

posted by justread on Oct 27, 2015 at 04:52:52 am     #  

Agree with mom not only cuz its best to always do that, but because there is a vast difference from what is presented in the academic womb and the realities of politics and civic activity. Wish the eggheads would get their collective heads out of the clouds, stop looking for the answers on the ceiling and teach some real life.

posted by Mariner on Oct 27, 2015 at 04:56:05 am     #  

I do have to say, I love Carty's usage of the terms "east bank" and "west bank" for the river. Subtly elevates the stature, in my mind.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 27, 2015 at 09:25:21 am     #  

83 I appreciate anyone who can read a compass.

posted by Mariner on Oct 27, 2015 at 10:07:46 am     #  

just walk away Cartay...

posted by justareviewer on Oct 27, 2015 at 10:12:00 am     #  

I think Bell might have been able to make some progress if he was willing to get out there and hustle for the votes. I saw him at the Blarney a few weeks ago at 1AM with his Village People regalia chatting to some firefighters. The article basically confirms my belief that Bell would rather be hanging out in bars than running for mayor.

And the idea that he is going to win by handing out baseball cards and putting stuff on Periscope sounds like the kind of horseshit advice that a marketing agency who doesn't have any experience in politics would give you.

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 27, 2015 at 11:03:27 am     #  

Carty was at the St. John's football game on Friday.

posted by SensorG on Oct 27, 2015 at 12:04:45 pm     #  

Opal has now been introduced to a national audience:

http://www.break.com/article/crazy-and-bizarre-candidates-for-mayor-2963604

posted by oldhometown on Oct 27, 2015 at 12:33:04 pm     #  

Ace_Face, for a guy who "would rather be hanging out in bars than running for mayor," Bell has a ton of yard signs popping up around town. SOMEBODY'S getting the word out on his behalf.

posted by Anniecski on Oct 27, 2015 at 12:53:27 pm     #  

I don't hang out in bars, so I had no idea that's all Mike Bell wants to do. I have seen him at many charity events, so I assumed he only attended charity events. I also understand he was the only mayoral candidate that walked in the compassion parade.

I don't understand the playing card style cards. But I understand police and fire hand them out some places, so perhaps there's a connection there.

He seems to want to talk with people who actually leave their home once in a while. Carty would like to speak with those who never leave home. It will be interesting to see which group is willing to go to the polls.

Meanwhile, even Burris gets that the Collins campaign is well, a Mike Collins campaign.

posted by justread on Oct 27, 2015 at 01:45:23 pm     #  

Hmm.....

I guess I was wrong. When we spoke with Mike as he was pouring premium German beer on the final day of the GAF this year, I assumed all he wanted to do was .......well, hang out at German American Festivals and pour premium beer.

And when we again ran into him and struck up a conversation at this year's Greek Festival, I assumed all he wanted to do was hang out at Greek Festivals and consume Gyros. Weird.

Ya know justread, I think you may be on to something here. It appears that Mike actually does like to get out and have conversations with people who like to do the same. Again, weird huh?

posted by Foodie on Oct 27, 2015 at 02:28:13 pm     #  

I would go trick or treating at his house in Old Orchard to see if I could get a trading card with my Snickers bar, but I think I am supposed to dress up like Elsa from Frozen and go to amahler's house.

posted by justread on Oct 27, 2015 at 03:25:00 pm     #  

I hope you've gotten that strut and hair unfurl of hers figured out.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 27, 2015 at 03:33:45 pm     #  

Change of plans. Too concerned people will think it's a Caitlyn costume and criticize me for being so insensitive to the transgender community. So to be safe from anyone standing up and defending the people I'm mocking with my costume, I am going as a white middle-aged man.

posted by justread on Oct 29, 2015 at 07:18:54 am     #  

justread posted at 04:25:00 PM on Oct 27, 2015:

I would go trick or treating at his house in Old Orchard to see if I could get a trading card with my Snickers bar, but I think I am supposed to dress up like Elsa from Frozen and go to amahler's house.

what's this now?

posted by ahmahler on Oct 29, 2015 at 07:34:00 am     #  

ahmahler posted at 08:34:00 AM on Oct 29, 2015:
justread posted at 04:25:00 PM on Oct 27, 2015:

I would go trick or treating at his house in Old Orchard to see if I could get a trading card with my Snickers bar, but I think I am supposed to dress up like Elsa from Frozen and go to amahler's house.

what's this now?

I don't know, but I'd like to see it.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Oct 29, 2015 at 07:53:12 am     #  

ahmahler posted at 08:34:00 AM on Oct 29, 2015:
justread posted at 04:25:00 PM on Oct 27, 2015:

I would go trick or treating at his house in Old Orchard to see if I could get a trading card with my Snickers bar, but I think I am supposed to dress up like Elsa from Frozen and go to amahler's house.

what's this now?

We talked about it last year. Unless it was your brother. I can't remember.

posted by justread on Oct 29, 2015 at 08:39:02 am     #  

We talked about it last year. Unless it was your brother. I can't remember.

Dad? Is that you? Are you "justread" on TT?

posted by ahmahler on Oct 29, 2015 at 09:12:01 am     #  

Bravo.

posted by justread on Oct 29, 2015 at 09:23:35 am     #  

justread posted at 09:39:02 AM on Oct 29, 2015:
ahmahler posted at 08:34:00 AM on Oct 29, 2015:
justread posted at 04:25:00 PM on Oct 27, 2015:

I would go trick or treating at his house in Old Orchard to see if I could get a trading card with my Snickers bar, but I think I am supposed to dress up like Elsa from Frozen and go to amahler's house.

what's this now?

We talked about it last year. Unless it was your brother. I can't remember.

Might have been me. I don't know. I suffer from "can't remember shit".

posted by endcycle on Oct 29, 2015 at 09:57:18 am     #  

She's garnering internship credits. For her internship. Her internship is in addition to her classes, not instead of. This is extra. I'm thankful that when I went to college, all I had to do was go to class. They make high school and college kids actually get involved in things that will provide valuable insight into some aspect of their proposed field now. I know, it's crazy.

! posted by justread on Oct 27, 2015 at 05:52:52 am

Does UT have an internship requirement on top of whatever the requirements are for each school and department? If so, I couldn't find it. The Political Science Department does not require extra intership credits on top of coursework. From what I've seen, internship credits, if approved, can and do apply towards the number of elective hours required.

Even if internships are required at the UT level, I do not think it's appropriate for a student to fulfill that requirement by engaging in political activity involving an election, unless all of the candidates are offered similar services.

And if a student simply wants to volunteer their own time, without any credit of any kind other than the experience and knowledge they gain, there is nothing stopping them from doing so.

posted by Bandito on Oct 29, 2015 at 07:56:21 pm     #  

Even if internships are required at the UT level, I do not think it's appropriate for a student to fulfill that requirement by engaging in political activity involving an election, unless all of the candidates are offered similar services.

I would say only in the instance that the student is compelled to work for a specific campaign. I'm speculating that this student decided independently to work on Bell's campaign. I think that is very much in the spirit of an education. I wouldn't be super shocked to hear that most of the other candidates have student volunteers in some capacity (except for Opal, at least per this Esquire article that may have possibly have been linked to previously. If not, it's a great read http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a39201/opal-covey-toledo-mayor-candidate-prophet-exorcist/).

Also-It's extremely common for law students and poli-sci majors to work for elected officials- is that terribly different?

posted by ahmahler on Oct 29, 2015 at 09:17:44 pm     #  

Also-It's extremely common for law students and poli-sci majors to work for elected officials- is that terribly different?
In my mind, that is quite different. Tell me, are those students who are doing interships for sitting congressmen and senators allowed to engage in activities related to election campaigns as a part of their internship? I think not.

posted by Bandito on Oct 29, 2015 at 09:53:21 pm     #  

In my mind, that is quite different.

This is possibly not limited to internships.

posted by justread on Oct 30, 2015 at 04:51:19 am     #  

I did an internship for a state senator in college. He happened to be running for re-election at the time, and I did assist with some campaign activities.

posted by mom2 on Oct 30, 2015 at 05:18:55 am     #  

Re-election was an autocorrect. He was running for US Senate.

posted by mom2 on Oct 30, 2015 at 05:22:59 am     #  

I did internships for candidates as part of my undergrad, too. And yeah, at least one was running for political office. I was the intern in charge of coordinating volunteers.

posted by Anniecski on Oct 30, 2015 at 08:24:08 am     #  

The Arts Commission sent a questionnaire to all mayoral candidates regarding their position on funding for the arts. The last I looked, Ferner had not responded. If you're a fan of the arts, Collins/Drabik' answers seemed the most insightful and thorough. Info available here.

http://theartscommission.org/

posted by holland on Oct 30, 2015 at 09:38:29 am     #  

In my mind, that is quite different.

This is possibly not limited to internships.

! posted by justread on Oct 30, 2015 at 05:51:19 am

I would expect that it is not. Consider the House of Representatives, for example. Each congress-critter is allocated an annual Members' Representational Allowance averaging over $1 million, which is intended to pay for their staff, office expenses, travel, etc. , in support of "their official and representative duties."

There are restrictions on the use of the MRA, such as the following:

"The MRA is also subject to a number of restrictions. For example, the MRA may not be used to defray any personal or campaign-related expenses."

posted by Bandito on Oct 30, 2015 at 07:40:54 pm     #  

Front page headline in today's Blade lists mayoral candidates' credit scores. Hope they run an even more relevant lead story in near future about mayoral dog ownership.

posted by MariaL on Oct 30, 2015 at 09:01:08 pm     #