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Hey spend your money however you want to spend it.....but wouldnt money be far better spent on supporting educational and extra curricular programs ......than purchasing PRIME billboard space (I can only assume this didnt come cheaply) in support of a scandalous ex superintendent? I dont get it. Then again, Wash Local sees fit (or saw fit) to run TV ads for Panther Country. Must be nice to have your financial house perfectly in order and so flush with cash. Maybe they're just really good at bake sales?

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That video is the whitest thing I've seen outside of the Osmond family compound.
Also: Pharrell Williams and his legal team are well versed in the matters of violating publishing rights-I assume the lyrics and music were licensed through the proper channels, no?

@6th_floor: Nice summary.

posted by SavageFred on Feb 22, 2016 at 11:34:37 am     #   1 person liked this

Good morning. For those interested that website , http://www.makingapredator.com/ is back up with some info on
Hickey's partner in crime Bumhower. What a swell guy.

posted by reggie on Feb 24, 2016 at 06:52:03 am     #  

I'm not the biggest fan of Baumhower these days.

However, I find it in exceptionally poor taste that this website has put up information relating to the financing of his car and home.

Those details are completely irrelevant to Hickey's actions as a school employee. The only purpose posting that info would serve would be to embarrass and humiliate Baumhower.

It indicates that the person/people behind the site are primarily interested in gossip and salacious details. So much for "protecting the children" in WLS.

I'm pretty disgusted right now.

posted by mom2 on Feb 24, 2016 at 07:26:11 am     #   8 people liked this

Same here mom2. Not a Baumhower fan myself but that website is ridiculous.
Pretty sure the person behind it is a creeper here and they should know that they are no better than Hickey or Baumhower at this point.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:00:15 am     #   6 people liked this

The only updates I'm interested in are whether or not JB and company is following through on his Freedom of Information requests and the lawsuit he promised. I'm not holding my breath. It seemed like a lot of table pounding that carries no more weight than a schoolyard "my dad is going to beat up your dad" taunt.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:34:10 am     #   2 people liked this

Seems like there would only be one source for most of that personal Baumhower info.

posted by justread on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:42:17 am     #   3 people liked this

"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." - William Congreve...or maybe Prince....I can't remember.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:47:54 am     #   6 people liked this

justread posted at 10:42:17 AM on Feb 24, 2016:

Seems like there would only be one source for most of that personal Baumhower info.

Yup.

And if I had her ear, I'd tell her that a life well lived is the best revenge. Don't give him headspace anymore. Move on, and be glad he's out of your life.

posted by mom2 on Feb 24, 2016 at 12:47:58 pm     #   3 people liked this

I see no problem with that website when they put information up there about Hickey or Baumhower. Baumhower did some serious spinning when he stepped into this WLS situation. He chose to spin it out of his so called concern for WLS and it's turning out that it was false pretenses. In my opinion his spin did more harm than good for WLS, and some people who were targeted for one reason or another. In my opinion, I don't view whoever is putting up this information as mudslinging, I see it as more of a defending. I wonder what I would do in a situation like that? Do my best to defend myself.

posted by reyen on Feb 24, 2016 at 01:49:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

I have a feeling you don't have to wonder too hard.

posted by justread on Feb 24, 2016 at 02:13:23 pm     #   8 people liked this

Your feeling about me not having to wonder for long, is more of an assumption. A lot has been said about that word assume. So whatever, think or feel what you want. I have nothing to prove to you.

posted by reyen on Feb 24, 2016 at 02:56:17 pm     #   1 person liked this

Last time I checked, "defending" yourself by airing someone else's dirty laundry is juvenile behavior one might expect from middle schoolers.

"B-b-but they aired my dirty laundry first. Waa waa waa. So now I can say whatever I want about them."

Meh.

posted by mom2 on Feb 24, 2016 at 05:31:21 pm     #   3 people liked this

Bringing information to light about interactions a school employee may have had with minors is one thing. That would be need to know information for parents of minor children who interact with Hickey and if it was being swept under the rug revealing it may not have been a bad thing.

There's no real, valid need for all of us to know stuff like Baumhower not being able to make his car payments though.

Publishing that kind of info is some petty, spiteful BS. Even if he has also been a jerk online. Someone has to be the bigger person and decide enough is enough with the petty details.

Sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

posted by mom2 on Feb 24, 2016 at 05:41:40 pm     #   4 people liked this

I think WLS needs to hire a consultant who understands modern-day educational needs. Their City Paper full-page ad (Feb 24 issue) is probably just an homage to the Era of Soul, but ...

Three students identified by name (because they are idols?) will go on to play football in college. Four female students are posing in lovely dresses, but there is no indication of what their accomplishments might be or what their names are.

I would be far more likely to judge a school by its college admissions record, by its attendance at regional science contests, by the improvement in math scores, by programs that promote STEM careers, by the success rate of an internship program ...

But congratulations to the three boys! And to the four anonymous girls.

posted by viola on Feb 24, 2016 at 06:01:54 pm     #   4 people liked this

mom2 posted at 04:41:40 PM on Feb 24, 2016:

Bringing information to light about interactions a school employee may have had with minors is one thing. That would be need to know information for parents of minor children who interact with Hickey and if it was being swept under the rug revealing it may not have been a bad thing.

There's no real, valid need for all of us to know stuff like Baumhower not being able to make his car payments though.

Publishing that kind of info is some petty, spiteful BS. Even if he has also been a jerk online. Someone has to be the bigger person and decide enough is enough with the petty details.

Sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

I DO see the IRS investigating the claim of nonprofit status. The Truth Alliance is not in the database, at least under that name.

posted by justread on Feb 24, 2016 at 06:07:46 pm     #   2 people liked this

Did The Truth Alliance make a claim that they are non-profit and are you saying that you can see the IRS investigating or that you know the IRS is investigating?

posted by corky on Feb 24, 2016 at 10:53:06 pm     #  

The latest post on the website lists a Miguel Rivera as the contact for any questions or comments. I was surprised to see a name attached to the site.

posted by dell_diva on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:32:16 pm     #  

mom2: I'm new so I don't know how to post your comment above mine for me to reply underneath it. Going to have to look into it.

I still stick behind my opinion of them defending and I will expand that to include informing. We will have to agree to disagree on it. I'm learning a lot from what they post. This situation, in my opinion, is a lot more than "he did it first so I'm going to do it".

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 12:06:33 am     #  

reyen posted at 11:06:33 PM on Feb 24, 2016:

mom2: I'm new so I don't know how to post your comment above mine for me to reply underneath it. Going to have to look into it.

I still stick behind my opinion of them defending and I will expand that to include informing. We will have to agree to disagree on it. I'm learning a lot from what they post. This situation, in my opinion, is a lot more than "he did it first so I'm going to do it".

Reyen, don't concern yourself with posters on here who are so sick and ill about the retaliation information being put out about Hickey and Bumhower. They act so righteous and say that this stuff makes them so sick but they keep coming back for more don't they. As far as that TURD Bumhower goes (who doesn't even live in the WLS district) , it didn't seem to make anyone sick and ill on here when he was on Facebook and Twitter Attacking and spreading lies about
Langenderfer (causing the kool-aid drinkers to slash his tires and steal his mail) or Carmean. Or how about all the lies and petty shit he was saying about Cindy Perry when she was running for School board. Last but not least is the dirt and crude things he was posting about Terri Kerns?
Like the old saying goes, "Payback is a bitch". If something makes you sick you don't keep taking it, that is if that is your real agenda.

posted by reggie on Feb 25, 2016 at 06:19:29 am     #   4 people liked this

corky posted at 09:53:06 PM on Feb 24, 2016:

Did The Truth Alliance make a claim that they are non-profit and are you saying that you can see the IRS investigating or that you know the IRS is investigating?

The Truth Alliance claimed to be a nonprofit organization.
This is Federal territory now.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 07:07:19 am     #  

Update: The Truth Alliance, who initially falsely claimed to be a nonprofit organization, have now begun calling themselves a community organization.

Why? Because the IRS doesn't give out nonprofit status to people who are butthurt and want to punish others by posting personal information intended to be embarrassing and punitive. That is not a charitable mission under the IRS. It was really easy to check, they must think everybody else is stupid.

But, because they CLAIMED nonprofit status before they had received an exemption letter, it was still a crime. A documented, witnessed crime. Yes. The people at The Truth Alliance falsely and illegally represented themselves as a nonprofit.

How many wrongs make a right anyway?

But hey, the new members who randomly stopped by are right, and know the True Truth, and those of us who have been members of this close knit forum community are off base for smelling sewage on the shoes of the random new members promoting a particular agenda.

Kind of funny that the very first act of The Truth Alliance was a lie, and they assumed nobody would bust them.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 07:18:10 am     #   9 people liked this

There is no question one of our new members is behind this agenda, website, campaign, and formerly fake nonprofit.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 07:25:16 am     #   1 person liked this

"our new members" refers to whom?

The focus on their incorrect identification as a non-profit on their Facebook page (for a few hours) seems like a diversion from some other significant issues.

This mess sounds like what it usually is. If people are acting out of control, it is usually about sex and money.

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:15:00 am     #   1 person liked this

Here, feel sorry for them some more.
http://www.makingapredator.com/

Wonder how much Hickey is paying Bumhower to keep his attacks up to take way the attention from his troubles?

posted by reggie on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:17:06 am     #   3 people liked this

justread posted at 06:25:16 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

There is no question one of our new members is behind this agenda, website, campaign, and formerly fake nonprofit.

Great investigating reporting there Geraldo. Although it has nothing to do with the fact that Bumhower and Hickey are two perverted losers, it will keep the Righteous Brothers coming back for more to voice their
indignation! LOL

posted by reggie on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:21:14 am     #   2 people liked this

Could someone TL;DR this for me?

posted by endcycle on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:26:08 am     #   2 people liked this

corky posted at 07:15:00 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

"our new members" refers to whom?

The focus on their incorrect identification as a non-profit on their Facebook page (for a few hours) seems like a diversion from some other significant issues.

This mess sounds like what it usually is. If people are acting out of control, it is usually about sex and money.

New members would typically be the ones who arrive to a topic magically and randomly, and their first post usually has inside information of some kind. But when asked, they turn Pollyanna and claim random passing knowledge, just like the rest of us.

The false claim was on their website all last week. There is no diversion.

Hickey, Baumhower, the school board, the parents who allowed this, the people of Addison Michigan, and anyone who ever supported Hickey is wrong and bad. Got it.

It is also wrong and bad to lie about your nonprofit status, it is not an "error," it is a lie, and it goes on every day in this country, and I for one am sick of it. Do NOT minimize the fraudulent representation as a nonprofit by a group of people who have NOT EVEN SOUGHT STATUS. I don't care how long it went on. So far, Hickey has gotten what he deserves, Baumhower seems to be getting the same. Two hours, two weeks, two years. A lie is a lie.

Nothing left but bringing the fraudsters who illegally claimed nonprofit status to justice. Because Justice is key, and the Truth is everything. We need to protect other REAL nonprofits from these people who illegally claim status they do not have as an attempt to create legitimacy that doesn't exist.
This is a serious crime, and needs to be investigated.

This is your topic. On this forum and others. You have a clear opinion on all of those you frequent. I wandered in to this topic on this forum as a totally impartial person, and anyone who has been around this forum for more than a couple weeks dam well knows it.

But to all of us impartial people, it is clear that there is not an innocent person in the entire bunch, and nobody is clean. It is all disgusting and gross. And The Truth Alliance is no better, it is just aligned in a certain way. Yuck. Disgusting. Everybody.

Anything else is your diversion.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:34:18 am     #   2 people liked this

I get why traditional media has not reported the developments about Baumhower. He's nothing more than a blogger and social media personality. He's a low level person who inserted himself in this mess under false pretenses. I do wonder why traditional media has not reported these most recent developments about Hickey. Being summoned to court regarding allegations of sexual misconduct with a student seems like a significant turn of events.

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:49:31 am     #   5 people liked this

endcycle posted at 07:26:08 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

Could someone TL;DR this for me?

The POWH, (People Obsessed With Hickey) dropped this The Truth Alliance smear website on Buckeye Bulldog's thread about the billboards on the occasion of some embarrassing events for Jeremy Baumhower. (Ugh.)
Some of our regular folks found this in poor taste. That, of course made them part of the problem.
The first act of The Truth Alliance, ironically, was a lie. My observance of that, despite being really, really disconnected from all of these nut cases on both sides of the never ending saga, made me part of the problem too, if not a romantic partner of Hickey or some other random slur.
They took down the fraudulent representation of non-existent tax exempt status that was never even applied for, because they are following this thread closely. Really closely.

That should catch you up.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 09:01:50 am     #   8 people liked this

"How many wrongs make a right anyway?"

It seems that as long as the popcorn holds out, then no limit exists on the wrongs.

"Could someone TL;DR this for me?"

I'll refer you to a November 2015 post from yet another ephemeral website about the topic.

Put ur big kid panties on and enjoy the shit show.

posted by jr on Feb 25, 2016 at 09:31:42 am     #   5 people liked this

What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

These two items are not mutually exclusive, and just because a person thinks digging up dirt on Baumhower is reprehensible does not mean that the same person is a Hickey shill.

A few more observations:

  • If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal.
  • Attacking Hickey supporters via a guilt-by-association approach is only going to alienate people who might otherwise share your dislike of Hickey, except for perhaps the ghost of Joseph R. McCarthy.

Full disclosure: I do not know Baumhower, nor do I read his blog with any frequency. I think Hickey has turned WLS into a dysfunctional circus, and that his time as superintendent has brought significant harm to the district.

That being said, is the "Truth Alliance" going to dig up and publicize the dirty laundry of every Hickey supporter? At what point does your cyber witch hunt stop?

posted by historymike on Feb 25, 2016 at 09:44:50 am     #   6 people liked this

Hahahahaha...

I swear to the 8 pound, 6 ounce newborn infant baby Jesus that when I just surfed on the Hickey Leaks Again website, the following ad appeared at the bottom of the page:

Hickey Leaks web page

posted by historymike on Feb 25, 2016 at 09:55:26 am     #   4 people liked this

There is something larger going on here (beyond WLS and Hickey) and what I think may be hitting home with some people who are not directly connected to WLS is this: If you speak out against the actions of a school superintendent or a school board, people are labeled as being anti education, anti teacher, anti children, and just generally a pain in a the ass. They are marginalized and ostracized. This is what I have seen in our district. Its rather apparent this is what happened at WLS. I imagine this happens elsewhere.

There is a huge shift and a struggle going on today with education. Funding has been cut by the state (shifted to charter schools) forcing more requested for money onto the local districts. Taxpayers in local districts are struggling with stagnant wages and depressed property values....and are being asked to pay more for education. There are highly emotional debates as to what is "needed" vs "wanted". Meanwhile, district "executive" salaries continue to escalate.

My point is.....while two wrongs dont make a right, I can see why people are being vindictive. Its the climate and culture that has been created by those that look down their noses at anyone who dares to speak out against the educational system machinery. My hunch is this is going on, to a certain degree, all over the place.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 25, 2016 at 10:17:27 am     #   4 people liked this

But these posts are not about an educational system, they are post to smear, to say I told you so, to bolster their own ego. What they don't realize is when they hold on to this negative situation, they become part of the problem.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 25, 2016 at 10:27:53 am     #   3 people liked this

I am not a part of the website and I don't know anything about the IRS stuff and I don't know who is behind the website. Since I'm new thought I should let everybody know that.

One of the definitions of a predator is: a person or group that ruthlessly exploits others. <-----doesn't always have to be just sexual.
The name of that website is makingapredator and it did not claim that is is just about Hickey, at least that I'm aware of.
The information they are putting up there is relevant and fits the website. Baumhower played a huge part in this WLS situation which helped divide the community. If the allegations about Baumhower are true then indeed he fits on that website.

I still see it as a defending and I have no dislike for anybody who sees it different. It's just my opinion that is all. Baumhower did some serious damage to some people. I have been watching this from the start and have seen it from many different angles. I haven't formed my opinion from just one,two,or three sources.

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:31:28 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:17:27 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

There is something larger going on here (beyond WLS and Hickey) and what I think may be hitting home with some people who are not directly connected to WLS is this: If you speak out against the actions of a school superintendent or a school board, people are labeled as being anti education, anti teacher, anti children, and just generally a pain in a the ass. They are marginalized and ostracized. This is what I have seen in our district. Its rather apparent this is what happened at WLS. I imagine this happens elsewhere.

There is a huge shift and a struggle going on today with education. Funding has been cut by the state (shifted to charter schools) forcing more requested for money onto the local districts. Taxpayers in local districts are struggling with stagnant wages and depressed property values....and are being asked to pay more for education. There are highly emotional debates as to what is "needed" vs "wanted". Meanwhile, district "executive" salaries continue to escalate.

My point is.....while two wrongs dont make a right, I can see why people are being vindictive. Its the climate and culture that has been created by those that look down their noses at anyone who dares to speak out against the educational system machinery. My hunch is this is going on, to a certain degree, all over the place.

You've just described politics in any area of interest or endeavor.
The people who didn't want Promenade Park given away were "anti-progress" and "anti-Promedica." The people who didn't want to pay for COSI on their taxes were "anti-children." The people who are against the ZOO levy are "anti-family" and "anti-animal." The people who supported Mike Bell were "anti-union." Education holds no monopoly on the polar opposition dynamic that is so easy for the simple minded to work with.

There is always some reason for some people who are not quite balanced to over-react and fixate on something or someone who they feel they can't control. Many times having nothing to do with education. I know this one woman who is off the rails on sexism. Off the rails. Can't be reached. For others, it's Hickey.

The attempt to defame or marginalize others who do not agree with us is so pervasive on the internet today, and in our lives, that the same people who were so repulsed by Hickey actually adopted the very same tactics he did when they felt defensive. When accused, these people did the same redirection at specific individuals who they felt didn't conform to their perspective. In the end, they are more like Hickey than they could ever wrap their heads around. Hopefully all of the victims in this case, especially those who continue to be tortured by their unending obsession and loss of balance can find some peace soon. Sadly, many will just find their next obsession.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:40:44 am     #   3 people liked this

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:43:32 am     #   1 person liked this

"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman."

Justice Louis Brandeis

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:58:51 am     #   1 person liked this

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 25, 2016 at 01:01:39 pm     #   1 person liked this

But, because they CLAIMED nonprofit status before they had received an exemption letter, it was still a crime.

I've skimmed over a lot the more recent posts on this thread because ... well ... it's just getting pretty ridiculous. But this caught my attention, and I wanted to clarify because while I agree with justread a lot, his statements about non-profit status are just wrong.

I have formed 501©(3), ©(4) and ©(5) non-profit entities as part of my former legal practice, and it is not illegal to hold yourself out as a non-profit prior to receiving the approval letter from the IRS. In fact, it can take up to a year to receive said letter after filing (unless you are a Tea Party group, then it could take years). Beyond that, you don't technically have to file for non-profit status for 15 months after organization.

So there is nothing illegal about holding yourself out as a non-profit before actually having that designation. Now, does that make it okay for a group who has no intention of filing for non-profit to hold themselves out as such? No, that's wrong. But until the 15 month deadline passes, or unless they are saying they have an approval letter from the IRS, there is nothing illegal going on with regard to non-profit status. The rest of this stuff - who knows.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 25, 2016 at 01:55:13 pm     #   4 people liked this

Agreed, MrsArcher.

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 02:01:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

MrsArcher posted at 12:55:13 PM on Feb 25, 2016:

But, because they CLAIMED nonprofit status before they had received an exemption letter, it was still a crime.

I've skimmed over a lot the more recent posts on this thread because ... well ... it's just getting pretty ridiculous. But this caught my attention, and I wanted to clarify because while I agree with justread a lot, his statements about non-profit status are just wrong.

I have formed 501©(3), ©(4) and ©(5) non-profit entities as part of my former legal practice, and it is not illegal to hold yourself out as a non-profit prior to receiving the approval letter from the IRS. In fact, it can take up to a year to receive said letter after filing (unless you are a Tea Party group, then it could take years). Beyond that, you don't technically have to file for non-profit status for 15 months after organization.

So there is nothing illegal about holding yourself out as a non-profit before actually having that designation. Now, does that make it okay for a group who has no intention of filing for non-profit to hold themselves out as such? No, that's wrong. But until the 15 month deadline passes, or unless they are saying they have an approval letter from the IRS, there is nothing illegal going on with regard to non-profit status. The rest of this stuff - who knows.

They aren't going to get approved. This isn't the Humane Society of Greater Albany. I would NEVER advise self-styled and self-appointed "nonprofits" to hang their shingle out in front of their determination letter.

There is a reason that we can't all just claim to be nonprofits on a given day and wait to see how it all washes out.

Although I am pretty sure they can claim to be a religion.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 02:18:31 pm     #   3 people liked this

Reggie your comment:

Langenderfer (causing the kool-aid drinkers to slash his tires and steal his mail) or Carmean. Or how about all the lies and petty shit he was saying about Cindy Perry when she was running for School board. Last but not least is the dirt and crude things he was posting about Terri Kerns?

Yes that is what I mean about his spinning causing more harm than good. That is some of what I have watched go down and more. No agenda, just can understand why they are posting on that website. Two sides to every story and they didn't ask for all of this to go down the way it did.

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 02:27:17 pm     #  

justread posted at 01:18:31 PM on Feb 25, 2016:
MrsArcher posted at 12:55:13 PM on Feb 25, 2016:

But, because they CLAIMED nonprofit status before they had received an exemption letter, it was still a crime.

I've skimmed over a lot the more recent posts on this thread because ... well ... it's just getting pretty ridiculous. But this caught my attention, and I wanted to clarify because while I agree with justread a lot, his statements about non-profit status are just wrong.

I have formed 501©(3), ©(4) and ©(5) non-profit entities as part of my former legal practice, and it is not illegal to hold yourself out as a non-profit prior to receiving the approval letter from the IRS. In fact, it can take up to a year to receive said letter after filing (unless you are a Tea Party group, then it could take years). Beyond that, you don't technically have to file for non-profit status for 15 months after organization.

So there is nothing illegal about holding yourself out as a non-profit before actually having that designation. Now, does that make it okay for a group who has no intention of filing for non-profit to hold themselves out as such? No, that's wrong. But until the 15 month deadline passes, or unless they are saying they have an approval letter from the IRS, there is nothing illegal going on with regard to non-profit status. The rest of this stuff - who knows.

They aren't going to get approved. This isn't the Humane Society of Greater Albany. I would NEVER advise self-styled and self-appointed "nonprofits" to hang their shingle out in front of their determination letter.

There is a reason that we can't all just claim to be nonprofits on a given day and wait to see how it all washes out.

Although I am pretty sure they can claim to be a religion.

justread wins Laugh of the Day with the religion line.

posted by historymike on Feb 25, 2016 at 02:56:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

I would NEVER advise self-styled and self-appointed "nonprofits" to hang their shingle out in front of their determination letter.

Sorry, but that's just not the way the system works. I have advised nonprofits to hold themselves out as such, and actually collect tax-deductible contributions before even filing the Form 1023. Oh, the horrors! It just takes too long to get the determination letter and the majority of the time, it is not an issue.

Mind you, and I think I clarified this the first time I posted on it, I am NOT saying this group qualifies for nonprofit status. I'm saying that a group holding themselves out as nonprofit prior to receiving the determination letter is not illegal. It may or may not be unethical, but it is not illegal.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 25, 2016 at 03:09:13 pm     #   5 people liked this

I'd say MrsArcher shut that thing down ......(Marv Albert voice) with authority!

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 25, 2016 at 04:10:21 pm     #   3 people liked this

Lots of things that former lawyers say are just fine should be avoided. Take the free internet legal advice you want. But that ain't no nonprofit, and they shouldn't claim to be one.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 04:29:52 pm     #   2 people liked this

former lawyers

I'm not a former lawyer, I am fully licensed and in good standing in the state of Ohio.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 25, 2016 at 05:31:58 pm     #   6 people liked this

Thanks for posting Actual facts Mrs. Archer putting to sleep the rantings of a message board poster desperately trying to be relevant in a post he would clearly be better off ignoring!
Game, Set, Match! LOL

posted by reggie on Feb 25, 2016 at 06:01:12 pm     #   2 people liked this

Didn't someone post above:

"There is always some reason for some people who are not quite balanced to over-react and fixate on something or someone who they feel they can't control. "

Oh the delicious irony.

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 06:16:15 pm     #   2 people liked this

historymike posted at 08:44:50 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

These two items are not mutually exclusive, and just because a person thinks digging up dirt on Baumhower is reprehensible does not mean that the same person is a Hickey shill.

A few more observations:

  • If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal.
  • Attacking Hickey supporters via a guilt-by-association approach is only going to alienate people who might otherwise share your dislike of Hickey, except for perhaps the ghost of Joseph R. McCarthy.

Full disclosure: I do not know Baumhower, nor do I read his blog with any frequency. I think Hickey has turned WLS into a dysfunctional circus, and that his time as superintendent has brought significant harm to the district.

That being said, is the "Truth Alliance" going to dig up and publicize the dirty laundry of every Hickey supporter? At what point does your cyber witch hunt stop?

historymike, if you could hear it, I'd give you a round of applause for this.

Additionally, it should be noted that many who have stated that the Making A Predator website people crossed a line also have made comments about thinking that the internet postings attacking Kern et al crossed the line too. If you wish to take the time, go back and look at the previous thread. You can find plenty of examples.

Both sides have behaved egregiously. That doesn't excuse the continued behavior.

posted by mom2 on Feb 25, 2016 at 06:37:09 pm     #   5 people liked this

So, let me see if I've got this straight, everybody is pretty much anti-Hickey and Baumhower, and are just sort of dealing with how guilty we all feel for reading, what is both a salacious and informative website. Yeah, I feel a little icky too. This feels like a hair splitting contest. Hickey got some of what he probably deserved and Baumhower overused his bully pulpit and bet on the wrong horse.

Meh. There's bigger injustices out there than the questionable methods by which they've been exposed.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 25, 2016 at 07:39:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

historymike your comment:

What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

These two items are not mutually exclusive, and just because a person thinks digging up dirt on Baumhower is reprehensible does not mean that the same person is a Hickey shill.

historymike where did I post saying anybody was a Hickey shill? Or give an indication that I missed something on your 1 or 2 statement?

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:49:56 pm     #  

historymike on your number 2 statement can we just agree to disagree? I view it different that is all. I didn't throw my thoughts out to attack another's point of view. With all due respect, I just see it different then you and likewise on your end.

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:57:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

Well, this thread has turned into a giant shit show. It's starting to be reminiscent of the Pastor Pitts church thread from a few years back, who's name is escaping me at the moment.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Feb 26, 2016 at 12:33:45 am     #  

Maybe JR could stretch the rules a little and call this "political". It will take reyen a week to figure out where that is and by that time maybe she will move on to another site.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:22:12 am     #   5 people liked this

reggie posted at 05:01:12 PM on Feb 25, 2016:

Thanks for posting Actual facts Mrs. Archer putting to sleep the rantings of a message board poster desperately trying to be relevant in a post he would clearly be better off ignoring!
Game, Set, Match! LOL

No one should ever ignore false claims of tax status by those who have not legally sought it. There is way too much fraud in the sector to allow this kind of dishonesty and misrepresentation to stand. Especially among organizations with highly suspect missions which are not charitable in nature.

It is irresponsible to advise people to claim nonprofit status and accept gifts while creating the expectation of deductibility when the outcome is unknown.
Now, you can find accountants and attorneys that will tell you what you want to hear, I'm sure. People pay professionals to file BS every day, and people cheat every day. But those gifts are not truly deductible until the determination is granted, and the IRS clearly advises would-be nonprofits in this regard.

I would think an organization with such impeccable moral fiber as The Truth Alliance would want to make sure that they are beyond reproach in both fact and appearance.

It was wise to stop posing as a nonprofit. It would be wise to continue to stop posing as a nonprofit until you actually are one, should that day ever come. Oops. I said you. I meant the totally random third parties that nobody here knows. :)

posted by justread on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:39:48 am     #   3 people liked this

MrsArcher posted at 04:31:58 PM on Feb 25, 2016:

former lawyers

I'm not a former lawyer, I am fully licensed and in good standing in the state of Ohio.

Current. And excellent back up.

posted by justread on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:45:15 am     #  

Molsonator posted at 06:22:12 AM on Feb 26, 2016:

Maybe JR could stretch the rules a little and call this "political". It will take reyen a week to figure out where that is and by that time maybe she will move on to another site.

That is mighty nice of you trying to come to the rescue of your friend and mentor who has been repeatedly made to look an ass in this thread. Trying to deflect his embarrassment is what Baumhower was/is attempting to do for Hickey. Great minds must think alike.
What your missing is that what Reyen was saying is about the topic of this thread. What your saying is child like and has nothing to do with this thread. Maybe its time for you to move. Just saying.

posted by reggie on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:47:11 am     #   2 people liked this

Ooops. It looks like you just proved Historymikes point. If you disagree with me you must be a "friend" of Baumhower. Never met the guy. I have chatted with someone named reggie and I am watching that person self-destruct. Lets not give him the forum to do it.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:54:46 am     #   11 people liked this

"Maybe JR could stretch the rules a little and call this "political"."

No. I think that some of this area's quirkiness should remain visible.

From that broken making a predator website, I learned about this nugget from the Toledo City Paper's 'Best of Toledo 2015' article.

[Best] Print Journalist
Keith Burris of the Toledo Blade
www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris

Runner Up: Jeremy Baumhower, founder of www.iheartglasscity.com and former-columnist for the Toledo Free Press

Interestingly, both are fans of EconCat88.

I can see Burris being first.

But Baumhower is the second best "print journalist" in the Toledo area?? Holy media hell, Batman. A Slack bot would be a wiser choice.

"this is all really really really weird" - upso - #

posted by jr on Feb 26, 2016 at 12:27:38 pm     #   9 people liked this

Historymike's wisdom proves that not everyone with a PhD is a social outcast and misfit. They do provide a service.

posted by MemyselfandI on Feb 26, 2016 at 01:32:25 pm     #   1 person liked this

What do you mean, HistoryMike is not a social pariah and societal misfit? Just look at the company he keeps - what little there is.

posted by madjack on Feb 26, 2016 at 04:07:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

Okay, wait a minute. I didn't mean it like it sounds.

posted by madjack on Feb 26, 2016 at 04:08:33 pm     #  

I prefer the term "misanthrope." It gives me a degree of agency.

posted by historymike on Feb 26, 2016 at 04:47:48 pm     #   5 people liked this

I thought all PIOs were misfits. Look at the company THEY keep.
:)

posted by justread on Feb 26, 2016 at 04:52:25 pm     #   2 people liked this

Thanks for schooling me, jusread, on what is important to me.

"This is your topic. On this forum and others. You have a clear opinion on all of those you frequent. I wandered in to this topic on this forum as a totally impartial person, and anyone who has been around this forum for more than a couple weeks dam well knows it."

But wandered into this topic as a totally impartial person?

bawhahaha!

"I think thou doth protest too much." ~ Shakespeare

posted by corky on Feb 27, 2016 at 12:06:48 am     #  

historymike wanted to respond to your post a little more because of your other comments with my name attached to it.

I haven't attacked any Hickey supporters. Where in my posts have I done that? They thought he was a great leader and they supported him because they were led to believe that he needed that support. What I saw was a lot of confusion and people trying to figure things out. I have no judgement on that.

Thus my comment on Baumhower doing more harm then good. If what is being said on that website is true about Baumhower that would mean he wasn't innocent in this and that a lot of those people were exploited by Baumhower and Hickey, if what is said to be true. That's why it makes sense to me about Baumhower being up there. Along with this situation with Baumhower and his wife, if those allegations are true about the domestic abuse and other things, then another reason why I see it's relevant, I see her as someone who was exploited as well.

This is how I look at it in this situation: who had what to lose and or gain?


You said below: "If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal."

I couldn't figure out what was bothering me in this but now I see what it is. You're using the words "your" in that sentence with my name attached to it. What do you mean with that? Do you think I'm behind or a part of that website? If so, I will say it again. I'm not. Believe it or not, that's up to you or anybody else questioning it. If that's what you meant? IDK, that's why I'm asking. I have no inside information and I have only what I have observed.

I'm sorry for EVERYBODY in this situation. And there were victims in this situation. It is sad no doubt about it. That's why I made the comment about why I view that website as more of a defending.

Again, to you and others I didn't throw my thoughts out there to offend anybody, it's just my opinion and nothing more. Again, I have watched it for some time now and I commented. I wish I wouldn't of because there is a lot of negative in this situation which I knew but I didn't really feel the negativity until I commented on it.

I am sorry that the WLS community got divided and I hope that some day it won't be. It will take time for things to settle down because feelings and thoughts just don't turn off overnight. It takes time.

For those who wanted to have the thread moved to politics so it would take me a week to find it. HAHAHA, it could of taken me a week to find it, if I went to look for it. I haven't even figured out how to post people's comments like the rest of you. No worries I don't think I will be posting much more on this site.

historymike posted at 08:44:50 AM on Feb 25, 2016:
What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

These two items are not mutually exclusive, and just because a person thinks digging up dirt on Baumhower is reprehensible does not mean that the same person is a Hickey shill.

A few more observations:

If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal.
Attacking Hickey supporters via a guilt-by-association approach is only going to alienate people who might otherwise share your dislike of Hickey, except for perhaps the ghost of Joseph R. McCarthy.
Full disclosure: I do not know Baumhower, nor do I read his blog with any frequency. I think Hickey has turned WLS into a dysfunctional circus, and that his time as superintendent has brought significant harm to the district.

That being said, is the "Truth Alliance" going to dig up and publicize the dirty laundry of every Hickey supporter? At what point does your cyber witch hunt stop?

posted by reyen on Feb 27, 2016 at 04:01:09 am     #   1 person liked this

"That being said, is the "Truth Alliance" going to dig up and publicize the dirty laundry of every Hickey supporter? At what point does your cyber witch hunt stop?"

This comment is ridicules.

"Full disclosure: I do not know Baumhower"

You don't know Hickey either.

Apparently you and the rest of the self righteous who has wandered on to this thread feeling the need to tell people how they should feel and react to this whole mess know little about the people involved in it. I do know Hickey. I know what a pompous, arrogant ,power hungry, self promoting prick that he is/was. Since this shit hit the fan I find out that you can add predator and pedophile to his attributes. I don't know Baumhower. What I do know is all the trouble he caused in the WLS district and apparently he is a wife beater anda cad. F**k him and F**k Hickey. For the last six or seven years I've watched Hickey do his Cedar Creek commercials on tv, (I bet they are thrilled about that), Trying to bring Ceder Creek into the schools until he was stopped, abuse teachers and parents ,(when no one was around of course) and wasting thousands of taxpayer dollars on his self promotion. Some people keep saying, if all this is true. Yeah its true, what do you want a personal confession? Another member here, whose ass has a number of degrees, is so concerned about them claiming non tax statues. Who gives a F.
Yeah Bumhower and Hickey are going down and I hope they burn in hell! (Sam Jackson).
Just my opinion. Now you can attack.

posted by reggie on Feb 27, 2016 at 07:02:28 am     #   1 person liked this

I wish I wouldn't of

The moment you realize two people with the exact same perspective also share the exact same grammatical tick.

posted by justread on Feb 27, 2016 at 07:41:22 am     #   9 people liked this

Another member here, whose ass has a number of degrees, is so concerned about them claiming non tax statues.

If Cedar Creek fraudulently claimed to be a nonprofit, and they had never even filed, you would have made it clear that they were as dishonest as Hickey.

If Hickey started a fake nonprofit, you would be on the phone with the FBI.

posted by justread on Feb 27, 2016 at 08:03:54 am     #   2 people liked this

reyen:

I couldn't figure out what was bothering me in this but now I see what it is. You're using the words "your" in that sentence with my name attached to it. What do you mean with that?

"Your" as in "people who despise Hickey and his supporters."

Do you think I'm behind or a part of that website?

I have no idea, nor do I care either way.

For those who wanted to have the thread moved to politics so it would take me a week to find it. HAHAHA, it could of taken me a week to find it, if I went to look for it.

The point of a separate Politics forum is not to hide threads from posters, but to get overtly political threads off the main page. If that were the case, there would not be an easy-to-find link titled "Forums" at the top of the page.

No worries I don't think I will be posting much more on this site.

It's a free country, peace out, and all that.

posted by historymike on Feb 27, 2016 at 11:19:23 am     #   6 people liked this

reggie:

You don't know Hickey either.

You are correct: I do not "know" Hickey. I have had some dealings with him that left unfavorable impressions. But I do not "know" Hickey, nor have I ever claimed to "know" Hickey.

Apparently you and the rest of the self righteous who has wandered on to this thread feeling the need to tell people how they should feel and react to this whole mess know little about the people involved in it.

"Self-righteous"? Sure, if by "self-righteous" you mean "people who think it is in poor taste to create anonymous websites that post embarrassing personal details to smear those they do not like." I am speaking specifically here about the Baumhower postings, just for clarification. The disclosures about Hickey and Addison High School have greater relevance, but if there exists evidence of criminal activity, then this should be turned over to law enforcement.

Now you can attack.

Sorry, I have no interest in "attacks." That is the realm of people who create anonymous websites like MakingaPredator.com. However, I have been a member of this online community for about 11 years, and a resident on WLS district for 24 years, so I have an interest in both this thread and this website.

posted by historymike on Feb 27, 2016 at 11:44:11 am     #   8 people liked this

posted by reggie on Feb 27, 2016 at 06:02:28 am
I know what a pompous, arrogant ,power hungry, self promoting prick that he is/was. Since this shit hit the fan I find out that you can add predator and pedophile to his attributes.

Don't hold back, Reggie. Tell us how you really feel about this imperious, egotistical, despotic, Machiavellian, primate phallus as he is.

No worries I don't think I will be posting much more on this site.

You could join the Great Migration to Canada that's been promised.

posted by madjack on Feb 27, 2016 at 02:18:32 pm     #  

Good morning. Wake up everybody. Here is the latest post from that website saying why they are doing what they are doing. Take it for what its worth.
http://www.makingapredator.com/

posted by reggie on Feb 28, 2016 at 07:51:34 am     #   1 person liked this

A term came to me.

Grudge porn.

posted by justread on Feb 28, 2016 at 02:13:02 pm     #   4 people liked this

One came to me too

Reckoning Porn
Karma Porn

posted by corky on Feb 28, 2016 at 04:23:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

Grudge porn works. Considering the wanking motion I made after reading that bs. Would love to hear from "Miguel Rivera" after "he" reads this.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 28, 2016 at 04:27:20 pm     #   1 person liked this

reggie posted at 06:51:34 AM on Feb 28, 2016:

Good morning. Wake up everybody. Here is the latest post from that website saying why they are doing what they are doing. Take it for what its worth.
http://www.makingapredator.com/

Huh, interesting. What if I were to say that the white on gray is too hard to read; would they respond to that too?

Or how about instead of using TT to announce your updates, you just set up an RSS feed, that way those of us who want to follow this soap opera can do so, and the rest of us can continue to ignore it.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 28, 2016 at 04:28:36 pm     #   6 people liked this

MrsArcher posted at 03:28:36 PM on Feb 28, 2016:
reggie posted at 06:51:34 AM on Feb 28, 2016:

Good morning. Wake up everybody. Here is the latest post from that website saying why they are doing what they are doing. Take it for what its worth.
http://www.makingapredator.com/

Huh, interesting. What if I were to say that the white on gray is too hard to read; would they respond to that too?

Or how about instead of using TT to announce your updates, you just set up an RSS feed, that way those of us who want to follow this soap opera can do so, and the rest of us can continue to ignore it.

Good morning.
"those of us who want to follow this soap opera can do so, and the rest of us can continue to ignore it."

This pretty much is what I suggested in an earlier post. What I don't understand is If you or anyone else don't like this "soap opera" why do you continue to click on it when you go to TT every day and continue to make comments on it ? Believe or not there are other posters who are interested. Try not clicking on the title and see if that helps! If something makes you sick or bores you, STAY AWAY.
Just some friendly advice, no need to thank me.
interested in this "soap opera".

posted by reggie on Feb 29, 2016 at 06:48:46 am     #   4 people liked this

Any parent of a potential or current WLS student is likely as disturbed by the grudge porn as they are by the actions which brought about the termination of Hickey.
Hickey is gone.

The sickness remains.

posted by justread on Feb 29, 2016 at 07:11:42 am     #   2 people liked this

justread posted at 06:11:42 AM on Feb 29, 2016:

Any parent of a potential or current WLS student is likely as disturbed by the grudge porn as they are by the actions which brought about the termination of Hickey.
Hickey is gone.

The sickness remains.

Good morning Justread. "Hickey is gone". You keep posting bad information. You condemn that website for supposedly claiming false tax status while you keep coming back here every day mixing in your cute catch phrases that you make up while repeating the same falsehood, that Hickey is gone. Hickey is under contract till the end of July. He shows up at School events. He commented on the radio that he might run for school board in 2017. A possibility since he got his crony Canalas elected to the board. Plus he is plastering his face all over town on billboards. Your definition of gone and mine are different. Thank you for your time.

posted by reggie on Feb 29, 2016 at 08:32:34 am     #   4 people liked this

Good morning Justread. You keep feeding the trolls, and they keep sucking up the bandwidth. This would bother me a whole lot less than it does, except for the fact(s) that:
A) You're doing it on purpose
B) You know what's going to happen
C) I'm sober and forgot to run to the liquor store yesterday, so I'm out of bourbon. Meaning that I've not had my good old morning snort, and so have temporarily misplaced my usual sunny, affable nature that lets me ignore comic book crap like this.

With any luck at all, Hickey will come down with some weird new STD and find his place in a medical textbook.

posted by madjack on Feb 29, 2016 at 09:53:02 am     #   2 people liked this

reggie posted at 07:32:34 AM on Feb 29, 2016:
He shows up at School events.

Not any more. He was banned from setting foot on district property a few weeks ago.

He commented on the radio that he might run for school board in 2017.

Yeah? I can comment on the radio that I am running for President, or even that I am running to be elected as the Yamtuan Besar of the Maylasian state of Negeri Sembilan. However, there is a difference between saying you are running for office and actually running for office. Maybe he is just talking smack to irritate his enemies. Maybe this is a trial balloon. Maybe he did the interview after a couple of snorts of madjack's best bourbon. Who knows? If he files as a candidate, I think he is doomed and will look pathetic.

A possibility since he got his crony Canalas elected to the board.

OK. That is one vote in a district with a population of about 50,000 people. Of course, even LC-F might jump off the Hickey bandwagon with all the drama and mud flying around.

He will need another 4,000 or so to win an actual election. Maybe he has that many supporters, maybe not. Maybe he can count on a few hundred less-informed citizens who will pull the lever for him because they recognize the name. However, studies have shown that incumbency status matters much more than name recognition to these kinds of voters (Donald Trump notwithstanding). The average WLS voter has probably encountered at least some of the negative news coverage regarding Hickey, so I doubt that he would gain much in the category of "that guy sounds familiar" voters.

But I think his main concern right now is getting another high-paying administrator gig, and that ain't gonna be in WLS. The last time I checked WLS school board positions are not very lucrative; state law limits compensation to $125 plus mileage per meeting and no more that $5k per year plus mileage.

posted by historymike on Feb 29, 2016 at 11:21:10 am     #  

You have to be a prince of Negeri Sembilan, and given that your claim is based on two cases of champagne and an incident that has been officially denied since 1937, I'm not giving very good odds on your election success. In fact, the phrase a zillion to one features prominently on the board.

I had to read the WLS school board compensation twice before it sank in: one and a quarter bills per meeting? I'd think five or six would be about average if you're going to attract quality people. Sure, one or two altruistic saints might run and actually get elected, but that's all I'm believing.

posted by madjack on Feb 29, 2016 at 01:14:00 pm     #  

I know I know....this is poor form, but I'll come clean: Im finding the dumpster fire at WLS to be somewhat deelish. Seems that over the few years, I heard A LOT of chest pounding and self aggrandizement coming from that district, both in general via media and even personally from teachers and alumni. Previously, despite its size, Whitmer had a little bit of the little brother syndrome/inferiority complex going on.....public persona was that it was much more like Start than it was Southview or Perrysburg....and people wanted that to change. Along comes the charismatic Superintendent, high fiving, back slapping, producing "best workplace" videos, Panther Country commericals, and recruiting scandals resolved thru prayer. Poof! Whitmer and WLS was the place to be! ...yet here we are today POOF: dysfunction like the rest of us. Pride cometh before the fall.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 29, 2016 at 01:50:37 pm     #   1 person liked this

madjack posted at 12:14:00 PM on Feb 29, 2016:

You have to be a prince of Negeri Sembilan, and given that your claim is based on two cases of champagne and an incident that has been officially denied since 1937, I'm not giving very good odds on your election success. In fact, the phrase a zillion to one features prominently on the board.

I had to read the WLS school board compensation twice before it sank in: one and a quarter bills per meeting? I'd think five or six would be about average if you're going to attract quality people. Sure, one or two altruistic saints might run and actually get elected, but that's all I'm believing.

Yeah, $125 is pretty small potatoes for several hours of work plus all the ancillary stuff you have to read on your own time. Oh, and calls from constituents, media requests, public appearances, and so on. You could make more money working a couple of shifts at Burger King.

A school board position does have some value as a launching point into bigger political gigs, at least if a person has those aspirations. For the true-believing altruists, those stipends probably wind up as little more than minimum wage pay.

posted by historymike on Feb 29, 2016 at 03:39:04 pm     #  

I had to read the WLS school board compensation twice before it sank in: one and a quarter bills per meeting? I'd think five or six would be about average if you're going to attract quality people. Sure, one or two altruistic saints might run and actually get elected, but that's all I'm believing.

The administration and unions don't want "quality people" elected to school boards...the pay remains low because they want insiders or "friends of the status quo."

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 29, 2016 at 06:06:13 pm     #   1 person liked this

Admittedly, I did not read through all of this (who has the time) but, I do have a tiny bit of insight about this conundrum. Please allow me to add my brief, but ever so intuitive knowledge. Reyen and Reggie are spot on in their analysis/contributions, which leads me to believe one of two things:
a.) they have inside information

OR

b.) They have common sense.

Either way, they know what they're talking about.

posted by IfItsTheTruthYouWant on Feb 29, 2016 at 06:47:16 pm     #   1 person liked this

historymike posted at 10:21:10 AM on Feb 29, 2016:
reggie posted at 07:32:34 AM on Feb 29, 2016:
He shows up at School events.

Not any more. He was banned from setting foot on district property a few weeks ago.

He commented on the radio that he might run for school board in 2017.

Yeah? I can comment on the radio that I am running for President, or even that I am running to be elected as the Yamtuan Besar of the Maylasian state of Negeri Sembilan. However, there is a difference between saying you are running for office and actually running for office. Maybe he is just talking smack to irritate his enemies. Maybe this is a trial balloon. Maybe he did the interview after a couple of snorts of madjack's best bourbon. Who knows? If he files as a candidate, I think he is doomed and will look pathetic.

A possibility since he got his crony Canalas elected to the board.

OK. That is one vote in a district with a population of about 50,000 people. Of course, even LC-F might jump off the Hickey bandwagon with all the drama and mud flying around.

He will need another 4,000 or so to win an actual election. Maybe he has that many supporters, maybe not. Maybe he can count on a few hundred less-informed citizens who will pull the lever for him because they recognize the name. However, studies have shown that incumbency status matters much more than name recognition to these kinds of voters (Donald Trump notwithstanding). The average WLS voter has probably encountered at least some of the negative news coverage regarding Hickey, so I doubt that he would gain much in the category of "that guy sounds familiar" voters.

But I think his main concern right now is getting another high-paying administrator gig, and that ain't gonna be in WLS. The last time I checked WLS school board positions are not very lucrative; state law limits compensation to $125 plus mileage per meeting and no more that $5k per year plus mileage.

Good morning Mike:) Not to nit pick but I would like to point out a few inaccuracies in your reply to me if I may.

"Not any more. He was banned from setting foot on district property a few weeks ago."

That is true but he still can attend school functions that are not on school property, such as away sporting events which the people he was harassing would in all likely hood be there to. Its still up in the air about graduation. Will they try to ban him from that? I doubt it.
Will he make a scene? Who knows.

"Yeah? I can comment on the radio that I am running for President,"

If you did I would vote for you however that has no bearing in this situation. There are lot of Kool-aid drinkers out there yet and people
have short memories. Unless he gets busted for Addison he is bold enough to try to get on the board.

"OK. That is one vote in a district with a population of about 50,000 people"

You don't get it. Who do you think the Koolaiders (I made that word up), who voted for Canales would vote for? Maybe that dumbass Lindsay Webb would come out of the woodwork and say we need a leader like Hickey again. Stranger things has happened.

"The last time I checked WLS school board positions are not very lucrative"

No doubt. Do you think there might be some other reasons people want to get on the school board, some not so noble? Like influence?
For example, take Hickey's comrade in arms on the school board, Hunter. How many members of his family got hired in under Hickey's
rule?

Yourself and some of your fellow posters keep saying that Hickey is gone and that simply is not true, Yet. when he no longer lives in this town then he will be gone. Thank You for your time!

posted by reggie on Mar 01, 2016 at 07:51:09 am     #   1 person liked this

corky posted at 07:49:31 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

I get why traditional media has not reported the developments about Baumhower. He's nothing more than a blogger and social media personality. He's a low level person who inserted himself in this mess under false pretenses. I do wonder why traditional media has not reported these most recent developments about Hickey. Being summoned to court regarding allegations of sexual misconduct with a student seems like a significant turn of events.

There's no record in circuit or district court in Lenawee County of anything being filed, civil or criminal, this year that lists Patrick Hickey as a party.

The prosecuting attorney, listed on that summons, had no idea what I was talking about when I asked him.

And, as he pointed out, summons are for civil matters, with which he would have nothing to do.

So, what that means, \_(ツ)_/ but that's why the traditional media hasn't reported it.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:19:19 pm     #   3 people liked this

Thanks, Nolan. Is the above a symbol for "arm wrestling?"

posted by corky on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:21:03 pm     #  

@corky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrug

posted by upso on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:26:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

That would be 2 fraudulent items on that site. If I understand Nolan.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:39:44 pm     #   4 people liked this

I'm not making any claims about fraud. One can read into the situation as one may, I'm just explaining about why I haven't reported anything about an image of a court document.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:46:22 pm     #   4 people liked this

My thanks and a hat tip to Molsonator and Nolan_Rosenkrans.

Here's how!

posted by madjack on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:56:01 pm     #  

I'll drink to madjack's lack of sobriety this fine afternoon. Cheers.

posted by justread on Mar 01, 2016 at 06:06:17 pm     #   2 people liked this

Nolan has punctured this balloon of silliness with facts.

posted by jr on Mar 01, 2016 at 06:11:08 pm     #   3 people liked this

Hmmm, that's a new twist. Didn't understand the IRS stuff I'm not an accountant or a lawyer and thought maybe they just didn't know and it was a mistake. Nolan is a reporter and a pro and I believe what he says. I called to see, just to be sure, he is 100% right.

None of this makes any sense anymore, not one bit. This is all too strange.

It made sense to me why they were putting Baumhower up there if what is said to be true about his wife and the affair with Squibb and the cover up.
Wow this is really horrible.
I do know one thing I'm not looking at any of it anymore. I'm done this is, just wow. I have no idea anymore why they are doing it. This makes no sense!!

posted by reyen on Mar 01, 2016 at 06:33:53 pm     #  

Nolan: do you know if any of this Addison, MI stuff is true or not? Have you or anybody at The Blade looked into this?

posted by reyen on Mar 01, 2016 at 10:19:58 pm     #  

reyen posted at 09:19:58 PM on Mar 01, 2016:

Nolan: do you know if any of this Addison, MI stuff is true or not? Have you or anybody at The Blade looked into this?

What happened with:

"I do know one thing I'm not looking at any of it anymore. I'm done [with] this ..."

That one site claimed a summons had been issued to Hickey, regarding the alleged Michigan incident. Nolan, a professional, investigated, and found:

"There's no record in circuit or district court in Lenawee County of anything being filed, civil or criminal, this year that lists Patrick Hickey as a party."

Since it appears that the site was wrong about the summons being issued, then no reason exists to believe anything else that was published on that site.

Maybe you need to try to get the Ann Arbor or Detroit media to investigate. We need the Toledo Blade to focus on more important Toledo issues.

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posted by jr on Mar 01, 2016 at 11:51:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

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